nightwing100 Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 I honestly don't get why some people freak out about it, it's not like it won't be coming to Steam. Personally I'm willing to give EPIC game store a chance, anyone else?
Kuroyami Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 The main irritation stems from the fact that, if you want it on Steam? Wait a year. That can make sense if a game is announced and the release date is a year later. Or if perhaps the game is released on one platform, and at some point it is announced that they are releasing it on another platform sometime later. But to release the game(meaning when the game is released), and have at least one single storefront, where it was already planned to be released, and those wanting it there have to wait a year? Granted, beyond any other issues with Epic, it might not be the worst thing. But then you have to consider the idea that, waiting a year and buying it on Steam, says that this is fine to do. It isn't, but the numbers would suggest that. That is, if those numbers don't go down due to the people who would want to say it isn't fine. Perhaps just conjecture, but it feels like a punishment. "You want to buy this game on Steam? Sorry, you'll have to wait another year." Not because they have to port the software/engine/etc, or other related actions, but...
27X Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, nightwing100 said: I honestly don't get why some people freak out about it, it's not like it won't be coming to Steam. Personally I'm willing to give EPIC game store a chance, anyone else? the hell is wrong with you
Zor2k13 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 The other problem is because tencent has some investment in EPIC and people don't want to be spied on by china through tencent or something like that. They already screwed up and leaked the release date anyway august 6th or was it the 9th? Anyway early august and probably we get dying light 2 at that time too. I hate bethesda and I HATE politics in games but at this point rage 2 might be worth playing just to show bethesda that a game world should be HUGE not smurfed down to the size of a smurf village in scale so vehicle mods don't work. I really don't care for that extreme lefty andrew W K influence in rage 2 it sucks but I want to play a game with vehicle combat and also an fps game...
2Dimm Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 hopefully EPIC games will understand they are just creating hate to their platform and will stop with this, and i dont plan to buy any games there anytime soon just because of some "exclusives", if they want me to use it, they should make a better service than steam
Ernest Lemmingway Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Epic has issues. They seem to take a sick glee in sticking it to Steam wherever and whenever they can, even paying companies large sums of money up front so they'll sign deals that exclude publishing on Steam for a year. They don't care about the MS Store, UPlay, or GOG publishing the same titles, just Steam. Which is both creepy and bad business. This isn't counting their awful refund policy, their inability to secure customer payment info, their anti-consumer practices, or their complete lack of even half the features Steam offers. There's also the fact they were actually caught mining user data from Steam recently. Which scares me given that Tencent owns a chunk (40%) of them and will share everything with the People's Government if ordered to.
Zor2k13 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 None of these online stores are darling angels here. They are all greedy bastards but this is kinda what competition looks like. It is also what the downfall of the stranglehold steam had on the industry looks like. Soon there will be five or six more of these things all doing the same thing but a bit more complicated as the field grows more crowded. I really think all these stores will be the major factor in the decline of the industry towards a crash. Entertainment as a whole is getting really boring and taking too long to generate and costing too much to generate and the people making it are more and more extremely political as time goes on. This all leads to a serious decline in interest from anyone until rock meets hard place and they finally fail and start over.
Ernest Lemmingway Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Yongyea explains the outrage well. It's not about loyalty to Steam, it's about Epic trying to take away customer choice and pulling the rug out from under us.
Zor2k13 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 The game companies will run to wherever they can get moar money it is human instinct so it will happen. The only cure is more competition but that brings moar stores which totally dilutes the whole steam thing after a while. The new stores thing didn't just happen overnight I think a lot of conference calls between steam and game companies over the years just got worse and worse probably steam being more of a greedy jerk as time went on lol. Steam wants to micro manage and control everything, companies want more money and don't want to put up with steam's shit anymore... so this thing happened.
nutsmcgee Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 I certainly won't be buying it. I'll probably still get it though
Outlast1 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 nope, I have been using steam for many years now. I don't have loyalty to it and personally think it is a shitty storefront. When Epic started up I was actually getting ready to pack my bags and move on over. Then exclusives happened, insulting consumers, bribes, buying titles for duration equating up to a year before steam, just steam no one else weird. Thats when I slowly unpacked my bags and grumbled. Do I want a storefront that has more options better protections, curation that keeps shit games like what jim sterling dealt with YES. Do I want steam to get a kick in the ass YES. Do I want Devs and indie Devs to get more money YES! Do I want to be spied on, or have my identity stolen, be insulted, not allowed to have reviews without it being censored by publishers, no feed back except shoveled shit from pubs like EA NO!! and hell NO! Review bombing can be bad but I find it to be invaluable, Customer reviews like meta critics user score is super important. with out user reviews how would I know what to avoid especially when the return policy is practically non-existent. Do I hate Epic no I love the 88-12 split perfect that is what mainly caught my attention. origin sucks, beth net really sucks, ubi boobi launcher is meh, GOG is ok, steam is meh. but what steam has is options, benefits, plus my entire library of 200+ games resides there. Since steam was the only platform I knew about I came to steam for one reason can you guess? I don't want 200+ cd cases and thousands of cd-keys in my house. The steam workshop is also a super huge bonus (rim world, ck2, Europa uni, star bound, COH2, cities skylines, etc.). what I believe your missing is that most of the hate is because of the ransom ware EPIC is buy from us or you can wait til you starve. Well guess I am gonna starve because I like my options, and I like at least having a voice.
Nazzzgul666 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 8 hours ago, Zor2k13 said: The other problem is because tencent has some investment in EPIC and people don't want to be spied on by china through tencent or something like that. While not really bothered that much, this is really the only point i couldn't care less about. Even if true, i don't see why it should be worse that chinese government gets some data about me additionally to US and european instead of only the last two. That said, the last time i bought a game on release was 16 years ago, wating one to 5 years is totally fine. Then at least i get a finished product instead of an open beta, and usually even somewhat cheaper than otherwise. I honestly don't get why anybody would pay 60 bucks for beeing a beta tester, and even 16 years ago it was because a) i thought i've pirated the first version, enjoyed but never bought it, totally forgetting that it was actually a give away to my graphic card. b) i really wanted the series to be a success just because of how much i loved that first game, so i would have donated that money even without getting a game for it. I still somewhat get the outrage about exclusive and stuff but honestly i'm a bit disappointed that even here nobody seems to remember that there were exclusives before. The company introducing that practice was Steam, one of the games i remember quite well is called... Skyrim.
nightwing100 Posted March 25, 2019 Author Posted March 25, 2019 I for one feel pretty numb for all these outrage, there was a time where fans trying to change the public opinion of video game and those "gamers", today I often find myself on the complete opposite side. This endless consumer advocate movement looks like a joke to me now, I was totally on board when it was trying to prevent lootboxes gambling from underage kids and it was generally for the good cause, nowadays it just "Let's see what can we be outrage today", I also want to stop force political agenda in our game as well, but it's funny because lots of Youtubers suppose to fight against far left Social Justice Warriors, for the sake of maximum monetization, turn into Social Justice Warriors themselves, but for the so call "consumer right". 5 hours ago, Nazzzgul666 said: While not really bothered that much, this is really the only point i couldn't care less about. Even if true, i don't see why it should be worse that chinese government gets some data about me additionally to US and european instead of only the last two. That said, the last time i bought a game on release was 16 years ago, wating one to 5 years is totally fine. Then at least i get a finished product instead of an open beta, and usually even somewhat cheaper than otherwise. I honestly don't get why anybody would pay 60 bucks for beeing a beta tester, and even 16 years ago it was because a) i thought i've pirated the first version, enjoyed but never bought it, totally forgetting that it was actually a give away to my graphic card. b) i really wanted the series to be a success just because of how much i loved that first game, so i would have donated that money even without getting a game for it. I still somewhat get the outrage about exclusive and stuff but honestly i'm a bit disappointed that even here nobody seems to remember that there were exclusives before. The company introducing that practice was Steam, one of the games i remember quite well is called... Skyrim. I thought the first one was Half Life 2 and introduced the trend of Online DRM? And yeah I agree I really don't see how its going to really bring you harm if somehow Chinese government get your data from EPIC, that is illegal and if they got caught the world will have a lots of leverage to use it against China, plus just what make people think Steam isn't spying on their users as well? they might been doing that for sometime just never got caught. It's also pretty baffling not many people call out Sony for making a Spider-man game that exclusive on their console, while Spider-man being an iconic character that isn't actually a Sony's IP, and The Outer World being a new IP exclusive on EPIC for a year but release on all platforms getting all these hates.
Nazzzgul666 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, nightwing100 said: This endless consumer advocate movement looks like a joke to me now, I was totally on board when it was trying to prevent lootboxes gambling from underage kids and it was generally for the good cause, nowadays it just "Let's see what can we be outrage today", I also want to stop force political agenda in our game as well, but it's funny because lots of Youtubers suppose to fight against far left Social Justice Warriors, for the sake of maximum monetization, turn into Social Justice Warriors themselves, but for the so call "consumer right". Well... this is a bit more complex imho. Yes, all the youtubers ranting about crappy games and crappy moves from companies do that because they earn easy money with it. On the other hand, these companies actually deserved that since years, in some cases like EA since decades. And if anything at all, the outcome will be in my favor, so really the only thing i'd complain here is that it didn't happen earlier. 3 hours ago, nightwing100 said: I thought the first one was Half Life 2 and introduced the trend of Online DRM? And yeah I agree I really don't see how its going to really bring you harm if somehow Chinese government get your data from EPIC, that is illegal and if they got caught the world will have a lots of leverage to use it against China, plus just what make people think Steam isn't spying on their users as well? they might been doing that for sometime just never got caught. Well... i wouldn't be too confident that it's illegal. You probably even agreed to it somewhere, not necessarily "chinese government" but "trusted partners". For Steam i actually am quite confident that they don't exaggerate it, it's been there a while and there are some guys pretty good at reverse engineering, i think it would have been discovered if they did so for a longer time. Ofc it might have been changed during any update. And for Steam it would be a huge deal, their image is "We're the nice guys, we are here to work with you players." Epic on the other hand... they already said that the players don't matter, nor their opinion. And they're quite new, so i could imagine they spy and give the data to pretty much anybody who pays. 3 hours ago, nightwing100 said: It's also pretty baffling not many people call out Sony for making a Spider-man game that exclusive on their console, while Spider-man being an iconic character that isn't actually a Sony's IP, and The Outer World being a new IP exclusive on EPIC for a year but release on all platforms getting all these hates. Sony could be called out for sooooo many things (and partially were, just not as intense as now others are), for example they shipped root kits on music CDs some years ago. On purpose, not accidentially or something. Exclusivity on PS is just one example, imho not the worst although i'll never have one, and it's nothing new so people are already used to it. That they could get their fair share of shitstorms anyways, well... i hope they will. As a consumer i can't lose there.
Rogelio11 Posted March 26, 2019 Posted March 26, 2019 I also heard the news lately as well. so many platforms to get games from. I'm definitely not getting it from epic store thats for sure. I'm gonna get it on steam. plus once it is out on epic, Gonna check out the reviews on the game, gameplay from streamers/ reviewers then decide from there to get it once on steam.
ToJKa Posted March 26, 2019 Posted March 26, 2019 Delayed a year for Epic reasons. So i'm going to be expecting something pretty damn epic ? I wasn't happy back when EA moved their games to Origin, but they only keep their own games exclusive there, so it's acceptable. Same with Blizzard and Battle.net. But hijacking third-party developed games that already confirmed Steam release i do not stand for. Well, Bethesda learned their lesson and are selling Rage 2 in Steam too, after Fallout 76 being only on their own store, so maybe people will wise up and this Epic exclusivity will be a short lived nuisance. And maybe i achieve financial independece by starting to fart rainbows with pots of gold at the end of each one of them.
FauxFurry Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 I've got a long enough backlog that I won't really care about The Outer Worlds until it comes out on Steam or GOG (if it ever does)anyway.
Zoey McKenzie Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Feel like maybe this is relevant to this topic, since Epic Store. Sorry for the potato quality. It's the best I could get.
succubin Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Zoey McKenzie said: Feel like maybe this is relevant to this topic, since Epic Store. Sorry for the potato quality. It's the best I could get. So it is not possible to actually read the program output in the screenshot to verify statements that author of this picture makes? Do I have to believe to a bunch of swears? Why is epic launcher called a bothet, if author claims it just reading some sertificates (which is necessary for establishing secure connections)? Why is process monitor used for prooving network activity, not a special software like TCPView? How fiddler can decrypt if something encrypted by public key, if the private key is necessary to decrypt it afterwards? What is suspicious in some traffic in software that was made for network activity? What is suspicious in connecting to two or more domains? One can be used for auth purpose, another one is a CDN edge server for static content, it is the most obvious reason, but there can be even more connections and non of them are used for illegal purposes. Why can't you be more critical when it comes to anti-epic hysteria, because steam toxic minority already proved how lousy they can be. Don't you feel even slightest trace of shame when you are supporting this crap by spreading such jokes you just posted.
Ernest Lemmingway Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, succubin said: Why can't you be more critical when it comes to anti-epic hysteria, because steam toxic minority already proved how lousy they can be. Don't you feel even slightest trace of shame when you are supporting this crap by spreading such jokes you just posted. While I agree with thinking more critically about this, at least some of the things in that image have been proven true. Epic has been caught numerous times adding spyware and even engaging in data mining via their launcher. That alone is reason enough for some of us to avoid Epic altogether.
succubin Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, Ernest Lemmingway said: While I agree with thinking more critically about this, at least some of the things in that image have been proven true. Epic has been caught numerous times adding spyware and even engaging in data mining via their launcher. That alone is reason enough for some of us to avoid Epic altogether. For example?
winny257 Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 12 hours ago, succubin said: For example? This criticism also exists in Germany. In any case violates the Epic Game Store against the German data protection regulation (DSGVO)! https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/schwammig-unzureichend-und-irrefuehrend-datenschutzrichtlinien-des-epic-game-store-weisen-erhebliche-maengel-auf,3338500.html and something else, maybe already known. * Ubisoft will release Tom Clancy's The Division 2 at Epic Games Store * https://www.epicgames.com/store/de/news/ubisoft-to-release-tom-clancy-s-the-division-2-on-epic-games-store I become a pirate and wait for a pirated copy!
ToJKa Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 14 hours ago, Zoey McKenzie said: Feel like maybe this is relevant to this topic, since Epic Store. In communist China, your data is everyone's data ?
winny257 Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, ToJKa said: In communist China, your data is everyone's data ? Spoiler
ToJKa Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 But whoever made that above image clearly does not know what a "botnet" is. That is just run-of-the-mill spyware. I don't for a minute believe that Epic could, or would, use that launcher of theirs to take over your computer to use it as a part of a DDoS attack on Steam, or something. In fact, being the selfish prick i am, i hope that Epic is not involved in anything illegal as that would mean that Valve could just sick "The Man" on them and not have to do any improvements to their own service.
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