Apropos 2

*gooser* · April 11, 2020

35 minutes ago, MVSKLO said:

I do like the progression of Tear and Wear (for example when I get raped a few times during the time in prison), but I want more effects after just one rape. Most of the time I will fighting dragons and doing quests, but I like the danger of Skyrim and infrequently I'm getting raped. Normally you don't see any effects after just one rape. I want to have debuffs and some visible marks from the experience that gradually disappears after a few days.

I now have W&T of my pussy, asshole and oral. I don't have any marks on the skin and no running mascara and tears.

What are the character W&T values/levels ? Should be in MCM

MVSKLO · April 12, 2020

10 hours ago, gooser said:

What are the character W&T values/levels ? Should be in MCM

I'm fresh and tight at this moment. ?You mean the settings?

Wear and Tear degrade factor 1.5
Maximum Wear and Tear 1000
Frequency of Wear and Tear Degrade 12 hr
Chance of WT heal 20%

*gooser* · April 12, 2020

8 hours ago, MVSKLO said:

I'm fresh and tight at this moment. ?You mean the settings?

Wear and Tear degrade factor 1.5

Maximum Wear and Tear 1000

Frequency of Wear and Tear Degrade 12 hr

Chance of WT heal 20%

No, I mean the actor (player, NPC) current values, not your mod settings.Under "Wear and Tear Actors" tab.

MVSKLO · April 12, 2020

1 hour ago, gooser said:

No, I mean the actor (player, NPC) current values, not your mod settings.Under "Wear and Tear Actors" tab.

I checked an older save because I prepared my character for play. She is a virgin.

Vaginal State: 7 Loose

Anal State: 0 Fresh

Oral state: 0 Fresh

General Avg Abuse: 3 Abused.

With these settings I have a red pussy (with some blood spots) and some darkening of my behind if I remember correctly. No other marks. Tears or Running mascare are never visible, not even after a forced blowjob. I only see the cum around my mouth.

*Hex Bolt* · April 12, 2020

23 hours ago, MVSKLO said:

I don't have any marks on the skin and no running mascara and tears.

Just checking the obvious, if you go into SlaveTats and look at Face tattoos, are Makeup and Tears available, and if so are they visible if you manually add them with SlaveTats?

MVSKLO · April 12, 2020

13 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Just checking the obvious, if you go into SlaveTats and look at Face tattoos, are Makeup and Tears available, and if so are they visible if you manually add them with SlaveTats?

Good suggestion!

The cuts and after effects of the body are present and show when I select them.

The face tattoos are empty. The whole MCM page is empty. ?

I do remember that the tears and running mascara were present in the past. What happened? And how do I get them back? Reinstalling Appropos2 or SlaveTats?

*gooser* · April 12, 2020

32 minutes ago, MVSKLO said:

Good suggestion!

The cuts and after effects of the body are present and show when I select them.

The face tattoos are empty. The whole MCM page is empty. ?

I do remember that the tears and running mascara were present in the past. What happened? And how do I get them back? Reinstalling Appropos2 or SlaveTats?

From the OP:

Face Tats not appearing at all:

2 things to check:

The NIOverride.ini disables face overlays by default (whether from RaceMenu or NIOverride). This is due to a CTD caused when PC (or NPC) is beheaded in a kill move while having an overlay applied. To enable it, open the NIOverride.ini and find the setting bEnableFaceOverlays and set to 1.
Not enough face overlay slots. Default is set to 3. Remember that the overlays are used by all tattoo/overlay mods, so if you applied face tats in the RaceMenu, that reduces the number of overlays available to SlaveTats. You can increase that number of face tats in the same NIOverride.ini.

*gooser* · April 12, 2020

Vaginal 7 / Anal 0 / Oral 0 is not going to show Tears and Sobs. You need Oral level above level 4. Mascara only shows from level 1-3, and if you have not healed at all. Once you start healing it is immediately removed.

MVSKLO · April 13, 2020

10 hours ago, gooser said:

From the OP:

Face Tats not appearing at all:

2 things to check:

The NIOverride.ini disables face overlays by default (whether from RaceMenu or NIOverride). This is due to a CTD caused when PC (or NPC) is beheaded in a kill move while having an overlay applied. To enable it, open the NIOverride.ini and find the setting bEnableFaceOverlays and set to 1.

Not enough face overlay slots. Default is set to 3. Remember that the overlays are used by all tattoo/overlay mods, so if you applied face tats in the RaceMenu, that reduces the number of overlays available to SlaveTats. You can increase that number of face tats in the same NIOverride.ini.

Yes, this solved it all. Thank you again! ?

ftlum · April 21, 2020

Hi All. When a certain threshold of wear is attained, does this mod trigger an off balance/ stumble animation? Whatever mod is doing that also causes my character’s mouth to open and get stuck that way, immediately after the stumble. I either have to F5-F9 it, or type mfg reset in the console. I’d like to prevent the mouth isssue, however. My understanding is it might be a more general bug, but only this mod seems to trigger it. Interestingly, Random Emotions won’t close the mouth, though the random expressions of the other parts of the face keep playing. Expressionater also didn’t fix things. If there’s no easy way to suppress the open mouth bug, is it possible to shut off the stumbling animation (since that seems to be the trigger)? I’m even willing to try making edits in the creation kit if someone can help me with that.

thanks!

*gooser* · April 21, 2020

7 hours ago, ftlum said:

Hi All. When a certain threshold of wear is attained, does this mod trigger an off balance/ stumble animation? Whatever mod is doing that also causes my character’s mouth to open and get stuck that way, immediately after the stumble. I either have to F5-F9 it, or type mfg reset in the console. I’d like to prevent the mouth isssue, however. My understanding is it might be a more general bug, but only this mod seems to trigger it. Interestingly, Random Emotions won’t close the mouth, though the random expressions of the other parts of the face keep playing. Expressionater also didn’t fix things. If there’s no easy way to suppress the open mouth bug, is it possible to shut off the stumbling animation (since that seems to be the trigger)? I’m even willing to try making edits in the creation kit if someone can help me with that.

thanks!

The stumble and the moan are separate things, but they are triggered at the same time during a W&T change. If W&T has increased, a stagger effect is called (unrelated to SexLab), and I ask SexLab to play a moan (literally SslBaseVoice.Moan method), which apparently also moves the mouth.

In the next version of Apropos both stagger and moans will be configurable.

xyzxyz · April 22, 2020

"Remember. You can't tell my man or my hasband. They get jealouse." Wait what? Some of those lines during sex make no sense at all.

And why does the male partner in a fm animation say that the female part is "better than his man" ? I really like the concept of this mod but sometimes it's really rediculous.

Another example: In a anal animation between male player and female partner the first sentence is that "you" get the "char names" penis in your anus. Really?

*gooser* · April 22, 2020

1 hour ago, xyzxyz said:

"Remember. You can't tell my man or my hasband. They get jealouse." Wait what? Some of those lines during sex make no sense at all.

And why does the male partner in a fm animation say that the female part is "better than his man" ? I really like the concept of this mod but sometimes it's really rediculous.

Another example: In a anal animation between male player and female partner the first sentence is that "you" get the "char names" penis in your anus. Really?

Keep in mind that the "mod" is a collection contributions, over more than 4 years of development, from different people. The contributions are primarily in the form of database files (documents, text files) that contain the lines that you read. The lines you indicate above I believe are in the theme of Incest, and there's a database you can download that omits those.

Also, on your second example, without more specific details (like whether it was rape or consensual, and the animation name) its hard to determine what's wrong.

xyzxyz · April 22, 2020

33 minutes ago, gooser said:

Keep in mind that the "mod" is a collection contributions, over more than 4 years of development, from different people. The contributions are primarily in the form of database files (documents, text files) that contain the lines that you read. The lines you indicate above I believe are in the theme of Incest, and there's a database you can download that omits those.

Also, on your second example, without more specific details (like whether it was rape or consensual, and the animation name) its hard to determine what's wrong.

I think it was "mitos standing" consensuall sex between Player and Camilla. This pic is from the same scene. Gespard is my player.

*gooser* · April 22, 2020

11 minutes ago, xyzxyz said:

I think it was "mitos standing" consensuall sex between Player and Camilla. This pic is from the same scene. Gespard is my player.

Found the line. QA problem on who ever contributed (wrote) the specific line.:

"2nd Person": [
        "You spread {PRIMARY}'s {WTANAL} ass-cheeks apart, and slowly push your {COCK} inside.",
        "{PRIMARY} stops moving, holding her breath as you slowly push your {COCK} into her {ASS}.",
        "Your {HUGE} {COCK} just slipped right in... This {BITCH} has done this before! A lot!",
        "You start pumping gently into {PRIMARY}'s {WTANAL} {ASS}, you don't want to hurt her.",
        "{PRIMARY} screams as you force your {COCK} into her {ASS}.",
        "({ACTIVE}) Brace yourself, {BITCH}, I'm going in dry!",
        "You hold {PRIMARY} down, and she struggles madly as your {COCK} pushes into her {ASS}.",
        "{PRIMARY} squeals and sobs in pain as you spread open her {WTANAL} {ASS}.",
        "You relax your {ASS}, and feel {ACTIVE} press the gloriously {HUGE} head of his {COCK} into you.",
        "{ACTIVE} thrusts into your {ASS}, and then begins fucking into you in long, powerful strokes.",
        "Spread your {ASS}, {BITCH}, he says. You burn with embarrassment as {ACTIVE} describes you as an object.",
        "{ACTIVE}'s {HUGE} {COCK} stretches you as it enters, and pulls you back as it leaves. You bite your lip.",
        "You run the head of his {COCK} across your {PUSSY} down your ass crack, stopping at your bud, smiling at him.",
        "You gasp quietly when the tip of {ACTIVE}'s {COCK} begins to push against your {WTANAL} {ASS}.",
        "You can feel yourself stretch around the invader, and it hurts enough that you almost scream out in pain.",
        "Once nude, You turn your back to {ACTIVE}, wiggling your {ASS}. You hope he takes the hint!'",
        "You don't stop {ACTIVE} as he begins to probe your {ASS}. You flush with anticipation as his tip enters.",
        "You pull your bottoms all the way down to your ankles, presenting your {ASS} to {ACTIVE}.",
        "You step forward, completely nude, and let {ACTIVE} sodomise you.",
        "Before you can change your mind, you grab the waistband of your panties and pull them down.",
        "The {COCK} sliding up your backside throbs in anticipation before pushing into your {ASS}.",
        "You will yourself to relax, your {ASS} is stretched to its limit before {ACTIVE}'s {COCK} pops inside.",
        "We've got time, you say, hooking your thumbs into your underwear, sliding it down and off your ankles.",
        "{ACTIVE} slides his {COCK} up and down, between your pillowy ass cheeks, in preparation of assfucking you.",
        "You bend over to undress, giving everyone a clear view of your {FAROUSAL} {PUSSY} and {ASS}.",
        "He caresses your cheeks, slowly spreading them to give himself a good look at your {WTANAL} {ASS}.",
        "Your {ASS} is already so slick from all the sex that it is easy to take {ACTIVE} in you.",
        "{ACTIVE} is getting to see you totally nude. You're already getting wet just thinking about it.",
        "({PRIMARY}) You want to fuck my {ASS}? I like it dirty.",
        "({ACTIVE}) Hah, your asshole is throbbing like crazy. I guess I'll have to stick it in, huh?",
        "({PRIMARY}) Turn me around! I want that {COCK} in my {ASS}!",
        "{ACTIVE} removes his clothes, producing his beautiful {HUGE} {COCK}, and you eagerly remove your own clothes.",
        "({ACTIVE}) Let me fuck you up the {ASS}, baby!",
        "({PRIMARY}) It's not a safe day, please stick it in my {ASS}.",
        "({PRIMARY}) You really want to fuck my {ASS}, don't you? Go slowly then... Ng!",
        "({PRIMARY}) You want to stick it up my {ASS}? O...okay...  Be gentle...   AH!",
        "({PRIMARY}) Woah, you are not gonna fit that monster in there!",
        "You reach out for his {COCK} and guide it in, not into your {PUSSY}, but into your {ASS}.",
        "({ACTIVE}) I've heard you let dogs fuck your {PUSSY}, so I'll stick to your {ASS}!",
        "({PRIMARY}) What the hell are you... OH!",
        "({PRIMARY}) You can ask whatever you want tonight.",
        "({PRIMARY}) Just... be gentle... please.",
        "You expose your long legs and bare ass. You bite your lip as {ACTIVE} spreads your ass cheeks.",
        "{ACTIVE} places the head of his cock against your {ASS} and pushes. You scream in pain.",
        "You gasp quietly when the tip begins to push against your {WTANAL} {ASS}.",
        "You pant as {ACTIVE} pushes his {COCK} in.",
        "({PRIMARY}) You're really going to try to put that monster in my {ASS}?'",
        "You gasp as you realise what {ACTIVE} trying to do...",
        "As his {COCK} touches your {ASS}, it just looks too fucking big to ever fit, but it does."
    ],

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The perspective is completely wrong.

ftlum · April 23, 2020

On 4/21/2020 at 8:30 AM, gooser said:

The stumble and the moan are separate things, but they are triggered at the same time during a W&T change. If W&T has increased, a stagger effect is called (unrelated to SexLab), and I ask SexLab to play a moan (literally SslBaseVoice.Moan method), which apparently also moves the mouth.

In the next version of Apropos both stagger and moans will be configurable.

Thanks. It’ll be great to turn on/ off certain features. With all the sexlab mods I’m running, the slavetat skin updates (my favorite feature) are getting a little laggy for me.

Do you have an estimate when the next version will be out?

*gooser* · April 23, 2020

15 hours ago, ftlum said:

Thanks. It’ll be great to turn on/ off certain features. With all the sexlab mods I’m running, the slavetat skin updates (my favorite feature) are getting a little laggy for me.

Do you have an estimate when the next version will be out?

Not with Covid-19.

xyzxyz · April 23, 2020

This mod kind of recognizes virgins or at least the first animation. I had anal sex between Lydia and my player. It was her first time and the dialogue showed up that "the player didn't want to hurt her virgin anus". That was great. The next dialogue was that "her ass was wide open and she had done many times befor". Still in the same animation. Sometimes the dialogue lines contradict each other.

Eadoo · April 25, 2020

On 4/23/2020 at 2:39 PM, xyzxyz said:

This mod kind of recognizes virgins or at least the first animation. I had anal sex between Lydia and my player. It was her first time and the dialogue showed up that "the player didn't want to hurt her virgin anus". That was great. The next dialogue was that "her ass was wide open and she had done many times befor". Still in the same animation. Sometimes the dialogue lines contradict each other.

The first string was a happy coincidence.

Pretty much any time there's no wear and tear, "virgin" is one of the possible strings that can be offered:

"level0" :
[
"virgin",
"untouched",
"tight",
"fresh"
],

There's a lot of stuff in the DB strings; the hope is that we don't pick conflicting stuff as we go. Most of the time it works. Please continue to post cases like this, though.

Eadoo · April 25, 2020

On 4/22/2020 at 1:31 PM, gooser said:

Found the line. QA problem on who ever contributed (wrote) the specific line.:


"2nd Person": [
        "You spread {PRIMARY}'s {WTANAL} ass-cheeks apart, and slowly push your {COCK} inside.",
        "{PRIMARY} stops moving, holding her breath as you slowly push your {COCK} into her {ASS}.",
        "Your {HUGE} {COCK} just slipped right in... This {BITCH} has done this before! A lot!",
        "You start pumping gently into {PRIMARY}'s {WTANAL} {ASS}, you don't want to hurt her.",
        "{PRIMARY} screams as you force your {COCK} into her {ASS}.",
        "({ACTIVE}) Brace yourself, {BITCH}, I'm going in dry!",
        "You hold {PRIMARY} down, and she struggles madly as your {COCK} pushes into her {ASS}.",
        "{PRIMARY} squeals and sobs in pain as you spread open her {WTANAL} {ASS}.",
        "You relax your {ASS}, and feel {ACTIVE} press the gloriously {HUGE} head of his {COCK} into you.",
        "{ACTIVE} thrusts into your {ASS}, and then begins fucking into you in long, powerful strokes.",
        "Spread your {ASS}, {BITCH}, he says. You burn with embarrassment as {ACTIVE} describes you as an object.",
        "{ACTIVE}'s {HUGE} {COCK} stretches you as it enters, and pulls you back as it leaves. You bite your lip.",
        "You run the head of his {COCK} across your {PUSSY} down your ass crack, stopping at your bud, smiling at him.",
        "You gasp quietly when the tip of {ACTIVE}'s {COCK} begins to push against your {WTANAL} {ASS}.",
        "You can feel yourself stretch around the invader, and it hurts enough that you almost scream out in pain.",
        "Once nude, You turn your back to {ACTIVE}, wiggling your {ASS}. You hope he takes the hint!'",
        "You don't stop {ACTIVE} as he begins to probe your {ASS}. You flush with anticipation as his tip enters.",
        "You pull your bottoms all the way down to your ankles, presenting your {ASS} to {ACTIVE}.",
        "You step forward, completely nude, and let {ACTIVE} sodomise you.",
        "Before you can change your mind, you grab the waistband of your panties and pull them down.",
        "The {COCK} sliding up your backside throbs in anticipation before pushing into your {ASS}.",
        "You will yourself to relax, your {ASS} is stretched to its limit before {ACTIVE}'s {COCK} pops inside.",
        "We've got time, you say, hooking your thumbs into your underwear, sliding it down and off your ankles.",
        "{ACTIVE} slides his {COCK} up and down, between your pillowy ass cheeks, in preparation of assfucking you.",
        "You bend over to undress, giving everyone a clear view of your {FAROUSAL} {PUSSY} and {ASS}.",
        "He caresses your cheeks, slowly spreading them to give himself a good look at your {WTANAL} {ASS}.",
        "Your {ASS} is already so slick from all the sex that it is easy to take {ACTIVE} in you.",
        "{ACTIVE} is getting to see you totally nude. You're already getting wet just thinking about it.",
        "({PRIMARY}) You want to fuck my {ASS}? I like it dirty.",
        "({ACTIVE}) Hah, your asshole is throbbing like crazy. I guess I'll have to stick it in, huh?",
        "({PRIMARY}) Turn me around! I want that {COCK} in my {ASS}!",
        "{ACTIVE} removes his clothes, producing his beautiful {HUGE} {COCK}, and you eagerly remove your own clothes.",
        "({ACTIVE}) Let me fuck you up the {ASS}, baby!",
        "({PRIMARY}) It's not a safe day, please stick it in my {ASS}.",
        "({PRIMARY}) You really want to fuck my {ASS}, don't you? Go slowly then... Ng!",
        "({PRIMARY}) You want to stick it up my {ASS}? O...okay...  Be gentle...   AH!",
        "({PRIMARY}) Woah, you are not gonna fit that monster in there!",
        "You reach out for his {COCK} and guide it in, not into your {PUSSY}, but into your {ASS}.",
        "({ACTIVE}) I've heard you let dogs fuck your {PUSSY}, so I'll stick to your {ASS}!",
        "({PRIMARY}) What the hell are you... OH!",
        "({PRIMARY}) You can ask whatever you want tonight.",
        "({PRIMARY}) Just... be gentle... please.",
        "You expose your long legs and bare ass. You bite your lip as {ACTIVE} spreads your ass cheeks.",
        "{ACTIVE} places the head of his cock against your {ASS} and pushes. You scream in pain.",
        "You gasp quietly when the tip begins to push against your {WTANAL} {ASS}.",
        "You pant as {ACTIVE} pushes his {COCK} in.",
        "({PRIMARY}) You're really going to try to put that monster in my {ASS}?'",
        "You gasp as you realise what {ACTIVE} trying to do...",
        "As his {COCK} touches your {ASS}, it just looks too fucking big to ever fit, but it does."
    ],

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The perspective is completely wrong.

Looks like this was just copied over from FemaleActor_Male, and the contributor updated the 1st person strings but not the 2nd person.

Good old MaleActor_Female. Not enough people using it to make anyone really care about it, but enough wrong with it that it screams for correction.
My own database has this problem too, btw. I'll get this specific problem fixed for the next release, but I won't search for other similar instances in MaleActor_Female, so report them if you see them.

slicksly · April 25, 2020

Would it be possible to display different orgasm messages depending on which separate actor is orgasming? As it is now, whenever an orgasm event triggers in a sexlab animation, the orgasm message for the appropriate animation is displayed. However, with Sexlab separate orgasm-function and SLSO which allows actors to orgasm independently from each other (I'm guessing on Sexlab's function, as SLSO is what I'm using for this), the messages seem very odd whenever they trigger contextually inappropriate - descriptions typically describe male orgasm events, which is pretty immersion-breaking when my female character is the one getting off.

What I'd love is this - instead of just the animation orgasm-section as it is now, there'd be sections for ORGASM PRIMARY, ORGASM ACTIVE, ORGASM ACTIVE2 and so on, which would play when the appropriate actor is orgasming.

xyzxyz · April 25, 2020

Do you know what tags the animation "3jou laying variant" has? It looks like anal for me but this mod thinks it's vaginal.

Eadoo · April 25, 2020

20 minutes ago, xyzxyz said:

Do you know what tags the animation "3jou laying variant" has? It looks like anal for me but this mod thinks it's vaginal.

Are you sure that's the name?

I just downloaded the 19/12/2019 version and didn't find anything named that in the JSON. However, there *is* this, which is similar:

"name": "3jiou AnPack Laying Alt",
"tags": "3jiou,Sex,Straight,MF,Vaginal,Behind,Laying"

*Hex Bolt* · April 25, 2020

29 minutes ago, xyzxyz said:

Do you know what tags the animation "3jou laying variant" has? It looks like anal for me but this mod thinks it's vaginal.

You can easily check that yourself by opening SexLab's MCM, go to Toggle Animations, and highlight the animation to display its tags. It's tagged as Vaginal.

xyzxyz · April 25, 2020

1 minute ago, HexBolt8 said:

You can easily check that yourself by opening SexLab's MCM, go to Toggle Animations, and highlight the animation to display its tags. It's tagged as Vaginal.

Thank you. I strongly disagree with that tag however^^ You would break your d*ck if you would aim for the upper hole in some parts of the animation.

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