Arousal Based Breast Adjuster for SE (ABBA)

[Yinkle]

51 minutes ago, sfdrake said:

dont know if I downloaded the wrong one or not... but skyrim said mcm registered 2 mcm menus. at the time it was devourment and the other was in fact this one and abba doesnt show up


it was the 2.xxx one.

sorry it's late and I'm tired but it sounds like you have a mod conflict...

[nufndash]

First off....Love the mod.  You did a great job and I just recently came back to it and SSE and love the new stuff.  Everything works just as intended.  I'm not a modder and I know very little about the inner workings of mods, so I have a question.  In my game the nipple scales properly from 0 to 100% arousal but I was wondering if there was a way to increase the values for a bigger effect.  In my MCM under CBBE morphs the values are -1____0_____1. It might be 0_____1_____2 I can't remember, and your mod follows those values like I think was intended.  I was hoping to go past the 1 value, so I installed SLIF to see if I could do something there, but wow, the MCM configuration is way over my head. I was just asking if it was even possible. Thank you for your work on this!

[Yinkle]

14 hours ago, nufndash said:

First off....Love the mod.  You did a great job and I just recently came back to it and SSE and love the new stuff.  Everything works just as intended.  I'm not a modder and I know very little about the inner workings of mods, so I have a question.  In my game the nipple scales properly from 0 to 100% arousal but I was wondering if there was a way to increase the values for a bigger effect.  In my MCM under CBBE morphs the values are -1____0_____1. It might be 0_____1_____2 I can't remember, and your mod follows those values like I think was intended.  I was hoping to go past the 1 value, so I installed SLIF to see if I could do something there, but wow, the MCM configuration is way over my head. I was just asking if it was even possible. Thank you for your work on this!

It is possible but would require editing the ABBA_Script_MCM.psc file and then re-compiling it. To compile it you'd need the skse, skyui sdk, sexlab and aroused source scripts. Sometimes you need to move these from "Data/Scripts/Source" to "Data/Source/Scripts". For some daft unknown reason they changed the default "source" folder in the creation kit for SSE.

 

For example to increase the maximum nipple size:

 

Find this section

 

   if (a_option == NippleSizeSlider)
        SetSliderDialogStartValue(ABBAMorph.NippleSizeSlider)
        SetSliderDialogDefaultValue(0.7)
        SetSliderDialogRange(0, 2)
        SetSliderDialogInterval(0.01)
    endIf

then change the "2" in "SetSliderDialogRange(0, 2)" to a higher value, you can use decimal points too.

 

 

 

 

 

[nufndash]

3 hours ago, Yinkle said:

It is possible but would require editing the ABBA_Script_MCM.psc file and then re-compiling it. To compile it you'd need the skse, skyui sdk, sexlab and aroused source scripts. Sometimes you need to move these from "Data/Scripts/Source" to "Data/Source/Scripts". For some daft unknown reason they changed the default "source" folder in the creation kit for SSE.

 

For example to increase the maximum nipple size:

 

Find this section

 

   if (a_option == NippleSizeSlider)
        SetSliderDialogStartValue(ABBAMorph.NippleSizeSlider)
        SetSliderDialogDefaultValue(0.7)
        SetSliderDialogRange(0, 2)
        SetSliderDialogInterval(0.01)
    endIf

then change the "2" in "SetSliderDialogRange(0, 2)" to a higher value, you can use decimal points too.

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your reply and help. You have always been prompt to answer peoples questions and I really appreciate that.  As you explained this would mean changing a script you have made.  Not knowing anything about modding, is this something that offends mod authors?  I value all the work the authors of these mods put into them and don't want to piss someone off.

[Yinkle]

21 minutes ago, nufndash said:

Not knowing anything about modding, is this something that offends mod authors?  I value all the work the authors of these mods put into them and don't want to piss someone off.

Not at all, if you want to change something for your own use that's fine by me and I totally encourage you to do so, the more folks know about papyrus scripting the better. It would be a bit crap if you went ahead and posted a new version of abba somewhere without asking me though!

[nufndash]

28 minutes ago, Yinkle said:

Not at all, if you want to change something for your own use that's fine by me and I totally encourage you to do so, the more folks know about papyrus scripting the better. It would be a bit crap if you went ahead and posted a new version of abba somewhere without asking me though!

lol, you have nothing to worry about from me, it took me 3 months to get SMP working.  I also believe deeply in not copying other peoples work.  Regardless whether or not there is a copyright, a persons hard work should never be taken. To show you how far behind I am, I had to look up  re-compiling.  Yikes, more complicated than I thought  Phooey!

[Yinkle]

6 minutes ago, nufndash said:

lol, you have nothing to worry about from me, it took me 3 months to get SMP working.  I also believe deeply in not copying other peoples work.  Regardless whether or not there is a copyright, a persons hard work should never be taken. To show you how far behind I am, I had to look up  re-compiling.  Yikes, more complicated than I thought  Phooey!

I was much like you when I first visited LL so I'm happy to pass on anything I can, just post back here if you have problems

[orgs1n]

I installed this mod a second time, and like before, I just couldn't figure out the mapping between it and SLIF. I ended up tweaking the ABBA_Morph script so that it only reacts on ABBA's "breasts" slider, and only sets "slif_breast" in SLIF. In other words, ABBA decides on the size, and SLIF decides what that size looks like. To me this is much more intuitive than trying to map ABBA's 14 sliders onto SLIF's full 37 range..

 

I made a personal tweak:

- The Breasts slider ranges from 0 to 10 (in intervals of 0.1) and defaults to 3.5.

- The poll timer is set to the minimum of 20".

 

From reading the thread it's clear that you've given proper attention to performance, which is commendable. Have you considered registering for SLA's mod events to determine arousal? TDF Aroused Sexy Idles does it this way. It has the advantage of there not being any delay after an arousal update. This is handy when setting exposure in SLA's Puppet Master menu. Also, I'd think that tacking on SLA's poll timer would've saved you from setting up your own. (SLA is a prerequisite anyway.)

 

Anyway, thank you for the mod!

[nufndash]

On 2/20/2019 at 1:38 PM, orgs1n said:

 

Thanks! I was trying to do the exact same thing for the nipple sliders. but not having much luck.  I think I needed the source scrips for SKYUI, but all I had or could find were the script files.  I never did anything like editing a script before and got about 140 errors when I tried to compile it, got scared, lol, and gave up. ?

[Yinkle]

On 2/20/2019 at 6:38 PM, orgs1n said:

I installed this mod a second time, and like before, I just couldn't figure out the mapping between it and SLIF. I ended up tweaking the ABBA_Morph script so that it only reacts on ABBA's "breasts" slider, and only sets "slif_breast" in SLIF. In other words, ABBA decides on the size, and SLIF decides what that size looks like. To me this is much more intuitive than trying to map ABBA's 14 sliders onto SLIF's full 37 range..

 

 

From reading the thread it's clear that you've given proper attention to performance, which is commendable. Have you considered registering for SLA's mod events to determine arousal? TDF Aroused Sexy Idles does it this way. It has the advantage of there not being any delay after an arousal update. This is handy when setting exposure in SLA's Puppet Master menu. Also, I'd think that tacking on SLA's poll timer would've saved you from setting up your own. (SLA is a prerequisite anyway.)

 

Anyway, thank you for the mod!

I'm not sure what the issue is here, abba simply passes on the morphs to slif which then does its work on all of them. It sounds to me like you have an issue with your slif setup. Are you using the cbbe se json list? This "better" version just removes most of abba's sliders and sets the poll slider dangerously low. I'd advise only going as low as 20 sec for testing.

 

I don't normally use slif so I installed it again to check. Here's a screenshot of the values page for ABBA and as you can clearly see, it works on all sliders:

Spoiler

 

 

Edit: Regarding using SLA's mod event, TDF aroused idles uses the "arousal updated" event which is on a poll timer defaulting to 2 mins in the SLA mcm. SLA doesn't send an event for real time updating of arousal- this would be a huge papyrus hog and a really bad idea for ABBA (and most other mods) as some of the threads take a while to complete. ABBA used to use the sla poll timer for npcs but I changed it to use it's own scanner quest for better control over various things that the sla scanner doesn't do. I could of course make an ABBA specific version of SLA but I don't want to piss anyone off and it would most likely break other mods using sla.

 

60 seconds is my minimum recommendation for the ABBA script polling rate.

[orgs1n]

9 hours ago, Yinkle said:

I'm not sure what the issue is here, abba simply passes on the morphs to slif which then does its work on all of them. It sounds to me like you have an issue with your slif setup. Are you using the cbbe se json list? This "better" version just removes most of abba's sliders and sets the poll slider dangerously low. I'd advise only going as low as 20 sec for testing.

 

I don't normally use slif so I installed it again to check. Here's a screenshot of the values page for ABBA and as you can clearly see, it works on all sliders:

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Your mod works well; but for my purposes there were two shortcomings:

- It doesn't feature all 37 sliders, and I missed a few vital ones for the PC's breasts to scale from "flat-chested" to "backbreaker express" and still look good.

- It seemed superfluous to define a lot of sliders again in ABBA when they were already set up in SLIF.

 

Just so we don't misunderstand each other, I'm not dissing your mod. I simply felt that a little tweak made it a better fit for my setup.

[orgs1n]

13 hours ago, nufndash said:

Thanks! I was trying to do the exact same thing for the nipple sliders. but not having much luck.  I think I needed the source scrips for SKYUI, but all I had or could find were the script files.  I never did anything like editing a script before and got about 140 errors when I tried to compile it, got scared, lol, and gave up. ?

Yeah, getting script compilation going is a pain. It's not just the SkyUI sources; I have it set up like this in MO2:

 

 

... And those are just the basics. There are also SexLab, SexLab Aroused, Devious Devices, and whatever mod situation you're compiling for.

 

Still, it takes only once to set this up and then you can tweak to your heart's content. I'd be happy to clarify compiler errors if you want to get it going, just PM me.

[Yinkle]

33 minutes ago, orgs1n said:

Your mod works well; but for my purposes there were two shortcomings:

- It doesn't feature all 37 sliders, and I missed a few vital ones for the PC's breasts to scale from "flat-chested" to "backbreaker express" and still look good.

- It seemed superfluous to define a lot of sliders again in ABBA when they were already set up in SLIF. 

 

Just so we don't misunderstand each other, I'm not dissing your mod. I simply felt that a little tweak made it a better fit for my setup.

Hi again,

 

So my take is that you have a very specific personal setup. That's fine, but posting it as a "better"  option in this thread is a bit ....hmm...

Would it not be better to post it as a separate overwrite mod with my approval?

[orgs1n]

10 hours ago, Yinkle said:

Hi again,

 

So my take is that you have a very specific personal setup. That's fine, but posting it as a "better"  option in this thread is a bit ....hmm...

Would it not be better to post it as a separate overwrite mod with my approval?

 

I did add that "better" was subjective.

 

Regardless, I wrongly interpreted your earlier words of encouragement to tweak your mod, taking them to mean you wouldn't mind sharing them in your own thread. My apologies for that. I've removed my tweak, and messaged @nufndash to do the same in his/her reply.

[Yinkle]

3 hours ago, orgs1n said:

 

I did add that "better" was subjective.

 

Regardless, I wrongly interpreted your earlier words of encouragement to tweak your mod, taking them to mean you wouldn't mind sharing them in your own thread. My apologies for that. I've removed my tweak, and messaged @nufndash to do the same in his/her reply.

Thanks, as I say feel free to make a patch and post it separately, you have my permission to do so. This way if there are any issues with it, people can reply in that thread and not confuse matters here.

[nufndash]

14 hours ago, Yinkle said:

Thanks, as I say feel free to make a patch and post it separately, you have my permission to do so. This way if there are any issues with it, people can reply in that thread and not confuse matters here.

Now that is a great example of how to solve differences. I applaud you both for handling the matter with respect and civility. ? 

[blahity]

I was curious if there was an answer to this. If I Use this mod along side Mana Tanks and SLIF will they all play nice? Or is that a disaster waiting to happen?

[Yinkle]

1 hour ago, blahity said:

I was curious if there was an answer to this. If I Use this mod along side Mana Tanks and SLIF will they all play nice? Or is that a disaster waiting to happen?

Any mod that adjusts breasts will conflict with ABBA unless you can turn that option off like in DCL for example. Mana Tanks and ABBA is a definite no no. It's one or the other I'm afraid

[blahity]

8 hours ago, Yinkle said:

Any mod that adjusts breasts will conflict with ABBA unless you can turn that option off like in DCL for example. Mana Tanks and ABBA is a definite no no. It's one or the other I'm afraid

Alright, I thought that was going to be the case since I couldn't find any posts on them being compatible. Oh well, that just means less mods in the load order i guess. Thanks for the quick reply!

[nufndash]

On 3/18/2019 at 6:58 AM, Yinkle said:

Any mod that adjusts breasts will conflict with ABBA unless you can turn that option off like in DCL for example. Mana Tanks and ABBA is a definite no no. It's one or the other I'm afraid

Hey there, I just thought I would drop this note, I am using MME, Soulgem 4, and all the estrus add-on's in addition to your mod and everything has been working great for over a week or so.  SLIF handles everything quite well.  I like your mod because it is more of a all the time event and the others are once in a while.  I just use  'average' selected in SLIF. I have never used Mana Tanks so I can't speak to that.

[PepperDog017]

Just installed 2.0.1 and started a new game. This might just be me not knowing all the settings & options, but the ABBA "Remove clothing" option is removing DCL items that should not normally be removable like slave collar, etc..

 

Short of just turning off the remove clothing option, can anyone point me to where I might be able to control this? (I have so many mods and MCM menus with so many options... sheesh!)

 

Thanks.

 

 

[Yinkle]

Just disable the strip clothing options in the abba mcm if you are using DD/DCL.

 

Edit: I've not bothered adding any checks for DD stuff as I assumed folk would just disable the strip option anyway. I might look into adding this if it's a simple thing to do.

[PepperDog017]

No problem...I didn't remember this happening before, but it's been a while. I'll just disable that option.

 

Thanks for the mod! It works great for me along side a few others like MME, SGO, EC+ with SLIF seemingly managing everything just fine.

[Yinkle]

New update available, ABBA 2.0.2 recommended if you use ABBA outfit

 

ABBA now checks for enchantment effects from ABBA outfit instead of equiped item names (you can now learn the abba dress & abba thong enchantments and use them on other items to get the same effects) My bad for not doing this earlier!

[Hippeus]

Was curious Yinkle how do I use the Kelly Voice?