Darkwisdom Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I received my first 'formal warning' for non constructive criticism XD I said the Mikan eyes looked nice but kinda creepy =p Apparently that was enough for me to have to be warned. Are they this petty?
Jormungandr Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I received my first 'formal warning' for non constructive criticism XD I said the Mikan eyes looked nice but kinda creepy =p Apparently that was enough for me to have to be warned. Are they this petty? Yep they are. Basically it's "if you don't like it, shut up and ignore it" with the not noted addition of "And don't you dare to say ANYTHING that could be seen as negative, even criticism, constructive means here negative". Oh and the thumbnail of that mod looks really ass btw. Like a squirrel on steriods. I repeat, the thumbnail. Just in case somebody feels misunderstood...
GrimReaper Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Tbh I don't see how "nice but kinda creepy" can be seen as constructive criticism. It has no value other than to express your opinion. It's silly they give a warning for that but then again, zero tolerance policy and all that. They would rather ban ten innocents than let one guy get away. I mean, I don't think you should lick someones boots just because he made a mod, but have some decency, please. Everyone sharing a mod is doing so for free. They work on these things for free so you can enjoy it - or don't if it isn't your taste. Someone uploading a mod is not an invite for you to shove your personal opinion and taste down other people's throats. If there is a bug or some sort of incompability or some dirty edits or whatever, sure go ahead, let the author know. But what information does the author get out of you statement that you do find it somewhat creepy? Edit: At least be honest about what you said. "They look kinda creepy in my opinion. Certainly not to my tastes. Does cater to the japanese and kawaii waifu crowd. " Sounds a bit different than "cute but creepy", no?
Guest Omega1084 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 "Does cater to the japanese and kawaii waifu crowd." That's almost insulting actually.Definitely not constructive.
Captain Cobra Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Saying something like "This isn't to my tastes" or "Why does this exist, reptiles aren't supposed to have tits" in a mod's comment section is basically the equivalent of shitposting. Don't do it.
GrimReaper Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 If it's downright ugly feedback I can understand someone getting a warning or a ban, even, but most of the time I don't see anything like that on Nexus when I've skimmed comments on mods I've downloaded. They usually get deleted. You see, posting stuff like that is usually about saying that your taste should matter more than what the author intended to achieve. You are basically saying "what you wanted to achieve is wrong/stupid/out of place/whatever because I don't like what you want". If I want to make walking and running animations that are totally out of place, who are you to judge?
Chaos63 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 They usually get deleted. You see, posting stuff like that is usually about saying that your taste should matter more than what the author intended to achieve. You are basically saying "what you wanted to achieve is wrong/stupid/out of place/whatever because I don't like what you want". If I want to make walking and running animations that are totally out of place, who are you to judge? A member of the mod community? For whose praise and comments you made a mod? Criticsism is crucial for creation and one of the bigger things that determines the next step in that same creation. Being a dick about it is a dick thing to do no argument there, but if you're drawing from this that all forms of negative criticsism is bad like I see you are, you're dead wrong.
Redflyingmonkey Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 A member of the mod community? For whose praise and comments you made a mod? Criticsism is crucial for creation and one of the bigger things that determines the next step in that same creation. Being a dick about it is a dick thing to do no argument there, but if you're drawing from this that all forms of negative criticsism is bad like I see you are, you're dead wrong. Following this logic, Delacroix wouldn't have made his masterpiece "The Origin of the World" because people didn't want to see a vagina on a painting. Criticism about any artistic creation needs to be constructive, you tell Delacroix "I would have hid the labia with a leaf", see that's somewhat constructive, you do not tell him "THIS VAGINA IS AN ABOMINATION, HIDE IT, BURN IT !", because if you do Delacroix will throw his pencils at your face. He'd throw his pencils at your face for telling him to put a leaf on his painting too though, because he's a rude magnificent asshole, but I'm sure you get my point.
GrimReaper Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 A member of the mod community? For whose praise and comments you made a mod? Criticsism is crucial for creation and one of the bigger things that determines the next step in that same creation. Being a dick about it is a dick thing to do no argument there, but if you're drawing from this that all forms of negative criticsism is bad like I see you are, you're dead wrong. A mod should be judged on what the author intended to achieve, not what you'd rather see. "You should have done something I would like instead of what you actually did" is not criticism.
Kendo 2 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Someone posts in a mod thread something to the effect of, "I'm not gonna use this." The number one question is why did they bother to post if they have no interest in the content. Every once in a while I'd get some asshole at Nexus posting stupid things like that in my upload threads. It was insulting. It was if they were saying. 'Even though I'm not going to download your mod, I feel compleled to tell other people that I'm not going to download your mod'. It's superfluous and a left-handed slam against the content. That isn't me being 'sensitive', it's calling it what it is; like Cobra said, It's a shit post.
Chaos63 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Following this logic, Delacroix wouldn't have made his masterpiece "The Origin of the World" because people didn't want to see a vagina on a painting. Criticism about any artistic creation needs to be constructive, you tell Delacroix "I would have hid the labia with a leaf", see that's somewhat constructive, you do not tell him "THIS VAGINA IS AN ABOMINATION, HIDE IT, BURN IT !", because if you do Delacroix will throw his pencils at your face. He'd throw his pencils at your face for telling him to put a leaf on his painting too though, because he's a rude magnificent asshole, but I'm sure you get my point. I'm sensing you didn't read/understand "Being a dick about it is a dick thing to do" part. We are making the same point here, albeit less artistic. Also your history and possibly art teacher would be pissed, as Origin of the World was done by Gustave Courbert. A mod should be judged on what the author intended to achieve, not what you'd rather see. "You should have done something I would like instead of what you actually did" is not criticism. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criticism
Kendo 2 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 A mod should be judged on what the author intended to achieve, not what you'd rather see. "You should have done something I would like instead of what you actually did" is not criticism. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criticism XD He tried to define what 'modding' is to me. He didn't get that right either.
Guest Omega1084 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 It's not constructive to say you won't download a thing. What's the point of saying it?It's not constructive to say something is creepy, and leave it at that. If followed by suggestions it can be constructive, otherwise it's stupid shitposting. It's not constructive to call something a piece of shit and leave. That's being a jerk, something I got banned for, rightfully so, I apologized and got my account back. It is constructive to download something, take a good look at it, and come back with bug reports, suggestions and possibly some praise if it's good and you're happy with it. If you're not happy with it, the suggestions come in to talk about what you think would be great if was added or changed. Within reason, of course. I personally wouldn't tell someone creating a new questline to add a spell that turns people into chickens when his quest mod only deals with necromancy. [/Ramble ramble]
Redflyingmonkey Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Following this logic, Delacroix wouldn't have made his masterpiece "The Origin of the World" because people didn't want to see a vagina on a painting. Criticism about any artistic creation needs to be constructive, you tell Delacroix "I would have hid the labia with a leaf", see that's somewhat constructive, you do not tell him "THIS VAGINA IS AN ABOMINATION, HIDE IT, BURN IT !", because if you do Delacroix will throw his pencils at your face. He'd throw his pencils at your face for telling him to put a leaf on his painting too though, because he's a rude magnificent asshole, but I'm sure you get my point. I'm sensing you didn't read/understand "Being a dick about it is a dick thing to do" part. We are making the same point here, albeit less artistic. Also your history and possibly art teacher would be pissed, as Origin of the World was done by Gustave Courbert. The shame I'm feeling is too damn high. Do you believe me if I tell you I'm taking art history lessons in college ? ART HISTORY LESSONS. Okay, I mixed 'em names up, my bad and I'm not going to edit that crap, let's be manly. GOD ! I had a freaking exam on Courbet's biography and I still... Bad Dobby bad Dobby *slam* Anyway, I was trying to tell you what kind of criticism GrimReaper meant when he said that a simple manifestation of your own personal taste does not equal constructive criticism. You seem to not agree to this statement since you reacted to his post. I don't understand why you would say that he is "dead wrong" when you are thinking the same thing.
Chaos63 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 No shame required, I didn't even know what the thing was untill I googled it. The, uh...painting, not the vagina. And I'm only arguing with that guy because he thinks negative criticism=not criticism.
Redflyingmonkey Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Well that's the point dude, he was saying negative criticism based on just shoving your tastes down the author's throat is not criticism, a thing you agree upon too lol WHY ARE WE ARGUING ! I should be studying my art history instead jeeeeee
D_ManXX2 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I don't see why this is point worth mentioning since neither criticism or negative criticism is allowed on nexus. so if you are saying you wondered why you where not banned well you got lucky no one reported your posts. Other then let's get this topic back on track. I don't care if people use that stuff or I would have whined all over Nexus by now lol. This is getting on thin line for getting banned on nexus. Whining is not allowed there either. don't care, but for me I'd rather not (and I don't). Unfortunately any alterations to the female walk that I've seen around the modding community are all exaggerations like that one, nothing that simply improves the animation or keeps to "reality" if you will. Which can be a bit disappointing, but who am I to tell anyone what to make. Unless your a professional animator who gets paid, why don't you try opening up blender and try creating just simple walk animation and you will see how difficult this part even is doing. Trust me even i have difficulty making any real walk animation. let alone making one where resemblance any real walk style.
GrimReaper Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 A mod should be judged on what the author intended to achieve, not what you'd rather see. "You should have done something I would like instead of what you actually did" is not criticism. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criticism I should have said "is not considered valid and or constructive criticism". Criticizing a porn flick for being a porn flick for example will not help in the creational process that is needed to make a better porn flick. Of course you can go a bit more meta and say that porn flicks in general shouldn't exist, that you are criticizing the very existence of them. But that won't help making a better porn movie, either. That's why I said a mod should be judged based on what was meant to achieve with it. If you make a weapon mod it wouldn't make much sense to say "this mod is bad because it's not a sex mod." That's what I meant. XD He tried to define what 'modding' is to me. He didn't get that right either. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/modifying?&path=/ Looks like I got this one right, huh. Trying to get a kick in when you see the chance. What a lovely person you are.
Chaos63 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I don't see why this is point worth mentioning since neither criticism or negative criticism is allowed on nexus This. We're done here.
Redflyingmonkey Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Let us have our passionate geek arguments Horus ! And about that, why would you call yourself Lady Horus ?! Are you trying to twist an Egyptian god and make him female ?! IS THAT IT ? GUILTY, BURN HER, INFIDEL
Guest Omega1084 Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 They already made Thor a woman up at Marvel HQ. Horus has his turn now :v
GrimReaper Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Jesus, I say one thing around here and people act like I've said something horrible when I haven't. >_> Trust me you would know it if my intent was to actively complain or insult... and frankly that's just not in my nature anyway. I've had to deal with assholes my whole artistic life, I wouldn't wish that upon anyone else. Nah, it's just that a comment section of a particular mod isn't really the place the express your disappointment in the general situation. That being said though, have you seen ndh's new animation? They're a bit clunky in my opinion, but much less sexualized than what you normally find.
Guest endgameaddiction Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I normally drop a compliment or I'll give suggestions, bugs with a compliment so the mod author knows that I'm being nice about it. If I find a mod that I like needs a kick, I'll open it myself and modify it to my taste. It's really hard to suggest what is a good idea if you have people throwing ideas all over and what you may think would be a good idea won't to the mod author. Learning these mod tools are not all that difficult. Sure, it's intimidating to the new comer. It was to me as it was to anyone who first begins modding, but once you get the hang of it, You can create or modify an existing mod to your like.
Ramses Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I'm kind of a etymology nut and I can say with certainty that 'modify' comes from Latin, modificare "to limit, measure off, restrain," from modus "measure, manner. There's no 'alter' as in the common, English usage. It's a bastardization of the word, even in the context of 'modding', More suitable words would have a root derived from adapt, adjust, amend, change, diversify, doctor, metamorphose, modify, mutate, ecalibrate, recast, reconstruct, refashion, reform, remodel, renovate, reshape, revamp, revise, shift, transform, transmute, turn, etc. I mean, if we're going to get technical.
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