Deviously Cursed Loot SE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[Roggvir]

Am i the only one having this kind of clipping problem with the dress? (ignore the chains, thats not what i mean)

Sure, the exagerated super fat preset makes it much worse than it needs to be, but i am pretty sure you get clipping even with normal presets.
Problem is, this cannot be fixed by merely adjusting the weight paint, or maybe i just dont know the required trick?
The same problem can be observed on the hobble dresses from DD, except you cant actually see it there (not on my BS files at least), because the hobble dress makes you ..well, hobble, making tiny steps, so the legs never get far apart enough for the issue to manifest.
Or am i wrong and this can be fixed by adjusting the weight paints?

If not, then only one solution comes to my mind - HDT.
Since i am actually going through the process of converting the outfits to CBBE SMP, i could as well make the skirt use HDT, which could fix it or at least minimize the issue.
But i dont know how to make all the HDT bones from scratch, so i need some prefab or similar outfit to "steal" the bones from - any ideas where to get one?

[zarantha]

9 hours ago, Roggvir said:

Am i the only one having this kind of clipping problem with the dress?

Hey Roggvir - I haven't noticed that, but I don't usually run around in DD gear either. After conforming all sliders to the CBBE SE reference, have you tried clicking the pencil next to each slider and making sure there's no clipping when the slider is max?

[Roggvir]

7 hours ago, zarantha said:

Hey Roggvir - I haven't noticed that, but I don't usually run around in DD gear either. After conforming all sliders to the CBBE SE reference, have you tried clicking the pencil next to each slider and making sure there's no clipping when the slider is max?

There is no clipping in OS or in BS, i even tried recreating the whole CBBE SE (and then SMP) conversion, and i tried using weight paints copied from the body reference (the worst result), and copying/transfering selected weights from the original "suit reference" (the best result, but still essentially the same clipping on inner thigh).
The "reference suit" was just the original mesh from Oldrim's DCL release, only conformed to fit the CBBE SE body - this gave the best result when i did the Hobble dresses, because the skirt weights aren't just copied from the body reference, but hand painted.
While this was enough for the Hobble Dress, because it doesn't allow big steps when walking (which is why the issue wont show there), no amount of hand painting can fix what is happening with this suit's skirt.

The clipping only occurs when walking/moving.
As one leg goes forward and the other stays back, the inner part of thigs clips through the stretched skirt.
This clipping occurs, because there is no "cloth simulation" - as the TIGHT skirt gets stretched, the mesh wont "hug" the inner thigh as it would in reality, it stretches in a linear way between the verts weighted on left thigh and verts weighted on right thigh (you cannot make the verts "hug" the inner thigh this way - they dont know how to do that with simple weighting distributed between mesh verts on the right and left side, not without some sort of "cloth simultion" or HDT collision implementation.
The problem is also pronounced by the walking animation, which pushes both legs a bit inward, make each cross a bit to the other side.

It would be nice if someone could test this with the best version of this dress (the original is UUNP i think?), but in Oldrim.
I bet its happening there too (try some curvy preset, as it may be less visible with some super skinny one).
 

[Roggvir]

btw. same sort of clipping happens in the front too, for the same reasons.

[zarantha]

17 hours ago, Roggvir said:

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I'm not seeing clipping like  that that I can tell What I did notice is that I was missing half my legs and it looked ok in outfit studio. It also looks like it's got two overlapping skirt pieces where you're seeing clipping, but those pieces  seem to stretch ok when I crouch. but one is always higher than the other while walking/running so I can see a seam.

 

Now I have to go back through stuff and add the forearms and calves partitions....

[Roggvir]

10 hours ago, zarantha said:

seem to stretch ok when I crouch

When i crouch it is also ok, but walking/running is where it shows - did you try walking?

Also, it may not be too apparent when looking stright from behind or front, so look from the side or from an angle when you walk forward while also pressing left/right, then you can't miss it.
And it also depends on the body preset+weight - unless it is something curvier, the clipping may not show.

[zarantha]

14 hours ago, Roggvir said:

When i crouch it is also ok, but walking/running is where it shows - did you try walking?

Also, it may not be too apparent when looking stright from behind or front, so look from the side or from an angle when you walk forward while also pressing left/right, then you can't miss it.
And it also depends on the body preset+weight - unless it is something curvier, the clipping may not show.

Ok, I need a larger place to run in. I can't screenshot it at that angle- I'd need 3keys and the mouse lol. Yes, I do see it. I'm not sure anything can be done about it, pretty sure it's related to the overlapping / seam I was seeing yesterday. Ignore the mesh clipping on the arms and legs.

 

This is the one I took yesterday.

 

[PappaBeer1945]

Hi, I'm having some issues with DCL...

Even though it is enabled in MCM guards never attempt to arrest me for public sex/ rape even if a notification comes up that says a guard saw me getting raped/ banged. Even if I talk to the guard he doesn't attempt to arrest me.

[Roggvir]

8 hours ago, zarantha said:

Spoiler

Ok, I need a larger place to run in. I can't screenshot it at that angle- I'd need 3keys and the mouse lol. Yes, I do see it. I'm not sure anything can be done about it, pretty sure it's related to the overlapping / seam I was seeing yesterday. Ignore the mesh clipping on the arms and legs.

 

This is the one I took yesterday.

 

 

Ok, so it isn't just me, it is how it is.
I think there is only one possible solution - to make the lower part of the dress use HDT with body collision (only for the CBBE SMP variant of the BodySlide files of course, not for the standard CBBE).
It may have some side effects related to the tightness of the dress, but that remains to be seen - i'll try it and see how it goes.

[Roggvir]

4 hours ago, PappaBeer1945 said:

Hi, I'm having some issues with DCL...

Even though it is enabled in MCM guards never attempt to arrest me for public sex/ rape even if a notification comes up that says a guard saw me getting raped/ banged. Even if I talk to the guard he doesn't attempt to arrest me.

And what does the guard say when you talk to it?
...is there some special dialogue? i am not sure if this could be the reason, but MAYBE you have some other mod with guard dialogs on a quest with higher priority than the dialogues used in DCL, which could result in that other dialogues blocking the DCL ones.
But even if that would be the case, i dont think it also explains why no guard runs to you to arrest you (even if the arresting dialogue doesnt happen).
So, there is probably a bigger problem than blocking dialogues - something is likely very broken - a glimpse at your papyrus log might help.

Or could it be some other mod "locking out" arrests? i dont know why or what mod, but i can imagine some kind of slavery mods could do that if the player is "enslaved" or something like that.
What about normal vanilla arrests? like for stealing from or murdering ppl? do those work?

[NakaitheWanderer]

Hey.

I hope some here can help me. I just got Sasha, but whenever i try to put her slave collar on(or other items) i get a message that i have to use her custom restraints.

[Siccorro]

8 hours ago, NakaitheWanderer said:

Hey.

I hope some here can help me. I just got Sasha, but whenever i try to put her slave collar on(or other items) i get a message that i have to use her custom restraints.

You should have gotten a box when you got her. Open that and it should provide custom restraints for her.

[Camo457]

quick question.  Is the body size morph working for anyone using the beta for SE.  never had this problem with oldrim, but instead of body parts getting bigger when aroused, breast are just being pushed up and the rear just drops. It seems to be that DCL is using the old body file from oldrim and does not change the way it should when aroused.  Is there a fix for this? Or is this a load order problem on my end.  Just wondering if the body change when aroused is working for other people.

[NakaitheWanderer]

21 hours ago, Siccorro said:

You should have gotten a box when you got her. Open that and it should provide custom restraints for her.

That is what i did. All the items i tried had her name.

[Siccorro]

2 hours ago, NakaitheWanderer said:

That is what i did. All the items i tried had her name.

Sounds like a glitch then. I'd never encountered it so can't really help in that regard.

[TheQueenofTraps]

4 hours ago, Siccorro said:

Sounds like a glitch then. I'd never encountered it so can't really help in that regard.

Are you doing it through trading or are you using the dialog option?

[NakaitheWanderer]

5 hours ago, TheQueenofTraps said:

Are you doing it through trading or are you using the dialog option?

Thank you for curing my blindness, i suppose i overlooked the dialog option.

[ThatRandomPerson]

Is there a way to get the frigid wash to completely stop spawning? It appears so often, the rest of the features would never kick in if I were to use them whenever my character gets aroused.

[TheQueenofTraps]

7 hours ago, NakaitheWanderer said:

Thank you for curing my blindness, i suppose i overlooked the dialog option.

It should be part of the "Sasha..." option.

[Randamaster]

When I try to install the Version 6.4 with the Nexus Mod Manager this this ends with an error for me. I see that someone got the some problem with Vortex. Is there a work-around, maybe?

[tenma22]

I'm trying to play the princess story, I appear in the cage with DD devices but i am unable to talk to slaver. not sure if this is common issue, i hope this is an easy fix.

P.s

same thing happened when playing wartime - a daughter's tale, i couldn't continue the story because i couldn't talk to the mother.

 

 

Never mind: After a lot of plugin bug hunting i found the mod "blocksteal SE" has a habit of blocking all dialogue options for all NPC when outdated.

Load Order (2).txt

[Pfiffy]

2 hours ago, tenma22 said:

I'm trying to play the princess story, I appear in the cage with DD devices but i am unable to talk to slaver. not sure if this is common issue, i hope this is an easy fix.

P.s

same thing happened when playing wartime - a daughter's tale, i couldn't continue the story because i couldn't talk to the mother.

Load Order (2).txt 11.83 kB · 1 download

A lot of stuff, I just took a short look at the load order and didn't find Fuz Ro D'oh. Would be the first thing to check. Next thing would be disabling RDO. And then check all mods that deal with dialogs...

[zarantha]

On 2/15/2020 at 3:33 PM, Randamaster said:

When I try to install the Version 6.4 with the Nexus Mod Manager this this ends with an error for me. I see that someone got the some problem with Vortex. Is there a work-around, maybe?

It's usually a path length issue. You can rename it so the zip name is shorter or move your nmm (or vortex) install so that it's on the root of the disk instead of down a few folders.

If it's not a path issue, it's an issue with nmm. Keep trying until it works, you might want to try a reboot in there somewhere too.

[Kimy]

Uploaded the newest version (8.4).

 

Thanks to Pfiffy for the conversion!

[The Dragonwhore]

Hey, i just downloaded the newest version and im not getting the right shapes in bodyslide. The preset selection is blank.