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Hi, i have a small issue, it's the classical one , most of the DD are invisible and the suits make my body invis too.

 

I looked up how to fix it and it seems that i need to buid the assets in bodyslide. So i tried, but it seems that i am too dumb to do it myself.

I've ticked the groups and did the "batch build" but things stayed the sames. So i don't know how to do it even with the tutoriels I didn't achieve to fix the probleme. 

 

So can a kind soul explain  me how to do it to me pls ?

 

(sorry for my english)

SnowMexican

SnowMexican

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Sorry if this has been asked before, but will this mod work with OStim? Or is Sexlab needed no two ways about it? I got a modlist off of nexus and I want to add DD along with Deviously Cursed Loot, to make the game spicy but it has OStim.

nomkaz

nomkaz

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5 hours ago, SnowMexican said:

Sorry if this has been asked before, but will this mod work with OStim? Or is Sexlab needed no two ways about it? I got a modlist off of nexus and I want to add DD along with Deviously Cursed Loot, to make the game spicy but it has OStim.

No, it will not work with Ostim, this is a Sexlab mod. But you can run Ostim and Sexlab side-by-side.

myhouseatl

myhouseatl

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On 7/21/2020 at 6:30 PM, zarantha said:

Moved the conversation to a spoiler since I've taken over repurposed the post...

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On 7/21/2020 at 7:41 AM, YojimboRatchet said:

 

then i guess with that answer, it goes back to my original question. which of those fixes / patches are required and needed with the current version of DD SE and which are redundant ?

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On 7/20/2020 at 9:29 AM, YojimboRatchet said:

 

which is why i was suggesting perhaps adding these fixes as notes on the main post of the thread,

or another would be creating a new thread for hotfixes and such for DD (and maybe other mods) and maintaining the thread for these fixes

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So, since someone dug out the post where pfiffy had one of the first AIOs, and he does mention that the AIO includes the HDT stuff, this is how I'd handle patches. What  is needed depends on each person's install, not all patches will be needed by everyone. So 'required' is pretty loose.

 

Only Kimy can update the mod description and files to add the patches or not, she still owns/controls the project, including the DD conversion to SE. A new download page that consolidates fixes is possible, but would depend on Kimy. I tend to think that falls under the 'redistributing files' permissions, which is not allowed. We have been doing patches and workarounds based solely on her good will, and she has final say on the patching. Keeping them in this thread gives her a good chance to see to what we're doing. I'd prefer seeing how much is fixed on the next release before taking the step on creating a patch page.

 

And OK, I have more in my memory than I thought. New mega post for now.

 

 

 

This is the Devious Devices Troubleshooting post.

Please open the spoilers related to the topics you need more information on or help with.

 

I am aware of the new CBBE update that adds more sliders. I have no plans to update DD's CBBE bodyslides until Ousinous has finished adding all the new sliders, which they alluded to doing in a future version.

 

DD SE 5.2

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  • For users who know what they are doing and are experiencing FPS drops when wearing the Iron Chain Harness (Ankles) or other SMP chains. No support will be provided for this file. By using it, you agree not to bug me about any SMP issues arising from using it. These are the XMLs from 5.2. Beta 7. Install over DD.
    Devious Devices [SE][AE][VR] 5.2 Beta 7 - SMP XMLs only.7z

 

  • In the spoiler of the comment here are instructions on how to edit the ESM/ESP to fix the ankle/writs gaps due to partitions issues.
     

  • UNSUPPORTED: If you would  like to try a DAR conversion of DD's animations, krzzp has provided his conversion for use. You may ask them for help, but this conversion will not be supported by the DD team, don't bug Kimy about this. This conversion does make it so that DD will play nicer with Nemesis and you can use both.
    Rerun FNIS after installing this. Animation choices were MaikCG for walking, bunny-hop for hobbles.

    NOTE: DAR animations depend on priority, which is the number of the folders in \meshes\actors\character\animations\DynamicAnimationReplacer\_CustomConditions
    If the DD animations are not playing for you, or are overwritten sometimes, try changing the folders in the DAR conversion from 100xxx to 2140000xxx (this is the highest you can go) or some number in between.
    DAR: DD to DAR_the big conversion_FOMOD.7z
    OAR: DD to OAR_the big conversion_FOMOD.7z

    Changelog:
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    2023-05-22
    - for stablity reasons, i've deleted the SKSE/Plugins/DynamicAnimationReplacer.ini file, which i've previously included so it would increase AnimationLimit=0x8000 (i'll post it separately, no reason to include it in the main install)

    - missing elbow shackles pose added to both regular and pony animsets

    - yoke animations reverted to base due to reported misalignment issues with MaikCG's ones (arm binders are still using mCG, i like those)

    - newly recomplied zadBoundCombatScript without Roggvirs addition of "akActor.SetAnimationVariableInt("FNIS_abc_h2h_LocomotionPose", animSet + 1)", hopefully this corrects the wrong locomotion pose issue for FNIS users.
     

    2023-06-02

    - Converted to fomod

    - Updated combat script (only use this fomod with DD 5.2)

     

 

 

 

 

NOTE: (Breaking this out so it's more visible)  If you have script errors similar to the ones below after installing DD 5.2, install the patch fix here:
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/69936-devious-devices-framework-developmentbeta/?do=findComment&comment=4017930

Alternate version of the patch by Mister X: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/69936-devious-devices-framework-developmentbeta/?do=findComment&comment=4110031

 

 

 

DD SE 5.0 / 5.1 (old versions and unsupported) and DCL 9.0

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Mirror for DCL 9.0

DCL 9.0 SE: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gGTplObNyKH0Gmcb6fyd6ojrg5z6lut6/view?usp=sharing

 

DLL updates for DD 5.1 (These are all included in DD 5.2):

 

Missing UNP bodyslides for DD 5.1 - sorry folks, this one is my fault. Now with low/high weights for elbowbinders.

UUNP DD Binders and Heretical SE 2.1.7z 96.41 MB · 736 downloads

 

Missing DD textures if you *don't* use DCL:

Devious Devices 5.x Textures for Non-DCL Users.7z 4.53 MB · 1,379 downloads

 

CFTO patch for DCL Dawnstar cart:

Deviously Cursed Loot 9.0 - CFTO patch.esp 46.48 kB · 481 downloads

 

Alternate Start patch to prevent ASLAL from warping you out of the keep:

ASLAL_NoHelgenKeepInterrupt.esp 1.28 kB · 508 downloads

 

 

Required for 3BBB:

 

BHUNP for DD and DCL: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/10729-bhunp-3bbb-bodyslide-collection/

         https://babofactory.blogspot.com/2020/05/bhunp-dda-ddx-ddi-se.html

 

Using DD 5.0 / 5.1 with DCL or Zaz?

  1. If using DCL 8.5/8.4 and/or Zaz with DD 5.0: DCL-ZaZ HDT-SMP and other patches 20201204.7z
  2. If using DCL 9.0 and Zaz: DCL 9.0 or higher overwrites "DCL-Zaz HDT-SMP and other patches 20201204.7z"

 

SLIF patchs for DD and DCL. NOTE: Using the old SLIF patches (included in the SLIF patch installer) *will* break device locks!
          SLIF patch for DD 5.1 (rename to zadLibs.pex)
                    DD 5.1 SLIF patch.7z

          SLIF patch for DCL 9.0

                    DCL 9.0 SLIF patch.7z 18.37 kB · 849 downloads

         

Required for DD 5.0 / 5.1

  • Mouths not opening for gags == Install MFG Fix or another MFG mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11669
  • Chains not moving == install HDT SMP: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30872
  • Don't want HDT SMP installed == build the 'NoHDT' options in the "DD Framework HDT or NoHDT chains" Bodyslide group. This is DDHotFix
  • DDa, DDx, etc groups missing == There is now a single group with everything: DD Framework CBBE SE.  Make sure to build this group instead.
  • Missing calves or forearms in outfits == Enable Devious Devices SE patch.esp. If still missing, report it please.

 

 

 

Short 'How to' BodySlide

AKA how to fix 'invisible' outfits.

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BodySlide needs to be run through your mod manager, except for NMM. If you don't know how to start bodyslide from your mod manager, either google bodyslide setup with your mod manager, or read the bodyslide description page on the nexus.

 

For UUNP, make sure you have the LE BodySlide files to set BodySlide up to work correctly in SE with UUNP:
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/126669-question-on-uunp-bodyslide-references-for-sse/?tab=comments#comment-2699861

Alternatively, the LE files have been converted to SE here: Legacy UUNP (for SE) at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus

 

 

  1. Launch bodyslide from your mod manager
  2. Check groups - either uncheck everything, or select "DD Framework CBBE SE" (or UUNP if you use that). This group applies to 5.0/5.1. If using 4.3, select DDa, DDx, Heretic, and catsuit groups.
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  3. Look for a DD outfit in the Outfit/Body section and select it. Make sure your preset shows up. If you have a custom preset, it's assumed you know  how  to fix it if it's not showing up.
  4. Build that one outfit using the 'Build' button in the bottom center. Check where it is outputting to.
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  5. If it's not going to the data folder you have set something up wrong. Check your bodyslide settings and make sure you are starting bodyslide correctly.
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  6. Since we're running through the mod manager, you should have your game folder as the output path. If you have trouble still, you can override where it gets written to in the advanced section. I recommend saving to a mod in the mod staging folder in your mod manager. When setting mod load order (not esp) this output mod should overwrite DD. Most people should have the output path empty.
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  7. Now that you've got the paths setup correctly and have confirmed your preset is working with DD, you can batch build. Make sure Build Morphs are checked.
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  8. Select the options you want, then let it run.

 

 

Known Issues

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  • Conflict with Easy Wheelmenu - SSE conversion and Easy Wheelmenu II. It is known to cause issues with the DCL scripts initializing. Solution - remove easy wheelmenu until DCL has been initialized and set up.
    Note: May also trigger the warning "You appear to run mods removing important tags from children characters..."
  • Dark Face issues in DCL - Export the facegen manually, or use Face Discoloration Fix
  • Idles not working/playing as expected with Nemesis - Use FNIS only if it doesn't work for you, Nemesis usuage has inconsistent results for DD users.
  • Conflict with No Enchantment Restriction SKSE Remake - Uninstall No Enchantment Restriction.
    Alternately, try disabling DisenchantEverything in the NoEnchantmentRestrictionRemake.json
    Locks break / don't work with this installed, and likely other unlisted conflicts
  • DCL conflict with iEquip - Prevent DCL events from equipping items == https://www.loverslab.com/topic/33986-deviously-cursed-loot-v85-2020-03-24/?do=findComment&comment=2716828
  • Conflict with Quick Loot SE - Uninstall Quick Loot
  • Conflict with Your Own Thoughts - CTD on equipping anything that changes to 'hobble' animations, or 'hobble' animations not playing at all. Uninstall YOT
  • Conflict with Devious Lore - breaks DCL traps. This should only be with the old, outdated patches. Devious Lore 3.x and the DD 5.2 patch should be fine with both DD and DCL.
  • Some chains are broken / don't connect right.
    This is a limitation of HDT SMP that can't currently be fixed. The Faster HDT SMP team is aware of the issue, and is looking at it. Meanwhile, some optimizations have been suggested and I am working on implementing them.
     

    https://www.loverslab.com/topic/60786-paradise-halls-home-sweet-home/?do=findComment&comment=2943956

    Do HDT chains work for SSE version? I think the DD AIO package for SSE includes Heretical.
     

    On 3/27/2020 at 3:41 PM, Musje said:

    Nope. They can be made to work with SMP with some limitations. I tried to convert a couple of the ZAP cHDT ankle chains to SMP but those do not work well, SMP does not allow half loop dependencies (2 points fixed to bones with a chain between them).  But the chains attached to a single bone might work.

  • CTDs due to Joy of Perspective installed with HDT SMP -  Build 'NoHDT' options from "DD Framework HDT or NoHDT chains" Bodyslide group or uninstall JoP
  • Player and/or NPC gets stuck in a bound walking animation with FNIS Sexy Move. Toggle the player 360 move. NPCs should be fixed after moving to a new location.
  • 360 move - Player and/or NPC walking or idle animations incorrect. Remove 360 move
  • Chains causing CTD even when HDT SMP installed -- Build 'NoHDT' options from "DD Framework HDT or NoHDT chains" Bodyslide group
  • DD ESMs are not form 44 - update to DD 5.2
  • For DD 5.0/5.1, if you play as an Argonian or Khajiit with BRRF installed, and experience CTDs with the prisoner chains, do the following until new alternate bodyslides for the beast race prisoner chains are made:
    • Build the 'noHDT' version of the prisoner chains
    • Go into your bodyslide output and locate the default prisoner chains. The path should be:
      Meshes\devious\Heretic\Restraints\PrisonerChains01.nif
    • Copy that file and paste it again to make a duplicate.
    • Rename the copy to "prisonerchains01_kha.nif" for Khajiit chains. To fix Argonians, the file name would be "prisonerchains01_arg.nif"
  • CTDs with Modern Female Sitting Animations Overhaul installed. This seems to be on existing saves from some quick testing I did. Try a new game.
    Alternately, you could try replacing DAR with OAR (currently patreon only). Open Animation Replacer
  • Reported conflict between DD and Skyrim Outfit System.

 

 

For OAR, doesn't it require keywords on items worn?  If so, where do I get the .esp with needed keywords?

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myhouseatl

myhouseatl

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29 minutes ago, myhouseatl said:

For OAR, doesn't it require keywords on items worn?  If so, where do I get the .esp with needed keywords?

Did a little test with Armbinder and it does indeed need keywords.  Does anyone have that .esp so I don't have to go through OAR and place each keyword?

TheNoci2830

TheNoci2830

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Hey there, I've been having an issue with DD that I can't seem to figure out. When I equip devices that should change my walking animation they work for a bit but then randomly stop working, while sometimes continuing to work for my follower. I noticed that some people had issues with nemesis which I also use and was wondering if nemesis could be the one causing this issue? And if so, is there a fix?

Raine_Hyd

Raine_Hyd

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7 hours ago, TheNoci2830 said:

Hey there, I've been having an issue with DD that I can't seem to figure out. When I equip devices that should change my walking animation they work for a bit but then randomly stop working, while sometimes continuing to work for my follower. I noticed that some people had issues with nemesis which I also use and was wondering if nemesis could be the one causing this issue? And if so, is there a fix?

Nemesis can cause the issue, but it may be another mod you have that messes with animations. Like True Directional Movement, or MCO. I don't know your load order but check other animation things you have. And if it comes down to it there's an OAR conversion for DD I'd suggest trying that out.

TheNoci2830

TheNoci2830

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8 hours ago, Raine_Hyd said:

Nemesis can cause the issue, but it may be another mod you have that messes with animations. Like True Directional Movement, or MCO. I don't know your load order but check other animation things you have. And if it comes down to it there's an OAR conversion for DD I'd suggest trying that out.

Hi, I tried using OAR and the DD conversion for it and as far as I can tell everything seems to work now, thank you for your help.

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MetallicBond5647

MetallicBond5647

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So I've installed everything and it all seems to be working, except for the HDT chains being very floaty and detached at the middle. I've heard this is an issue with parts of HDT-PE missing on SSE, but I've also heard there's some hotfix for that and I've seen examples of working HDT chains here somewhere in the screenshots of another mod, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find them anymore... I'm using faster SMP and CBPC, though I've tried it with the older version of HDT SMP as well. Does anyone here please know if there is indeed a hotfix for it or any other workarounds, to get HDT chains to work? I've tried some hotfixes already, but none seem to have worked so far, some of them were relatively old tbh... 

naaitsab

naaitsab

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On 9/17/2023 at 9:43 PM, xdwtfxd said:

So I've installed everything and it all seems to be working, except for the HDT chains being very floaty and detached at the middle. I've heard this is an issue with parts of HDT-PE missing on SSE, but I've also heard there's some hotfix for that and I've seen examples of working HDT chains here somewhere in the screenshots of another mod, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find them anymore... I'm using faster SMP and CBPC, though I've tried it with the older version of HDT SMP as well. Does anyone here please know if there is indeed a hotfix for it or any other workarounds, to get HDT chains to work? I've tried some hotfixes already, but none seem to have worked so far, some of them were relatively old tbh... 

It was posted somewhere in the thread I think. The fix is made by Predator-RJ. Only works for SE and it still needs some work. But it would require a complete redo to fix it completely for SE.

 

Predator_DD_Prisoner_Chains_SMP_FIX.7z

nonameforreasons

nonameforreasons

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On 9/16/2023 at 9:17 PM, TheNoci2830 said:

Hey there, I've been having an issue with DD that I can't seem to figure out. When I equip devices that should change my walking animation they work for a bit but then randomly stop working, while sometimes continuing to work for my follower. I noticed that some people had issues with nemesis which I also use and was wondering if nemesis could be the one causing this issue? And if so, is there a fix?

 

Sounds like a similar problem I had. Hobble Skirts, leg binders, etc conflicted with the True Directional Movement mod. I found a fix for it:

 

I do use Nemesis too and I don't have issues anymore ever since I made a link to Nemesis_Engine in my Skyrim Data folder.

naaitsab

naaitsab

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On 9/18/2023 at 9:03 PM, DrunkPancake said:

Is there a way for adding DD effects to items from other mods? If so, how?

You could look at this guide, it requires knowledge of the CreationKit.

 

 

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nilead

nilead

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 A question on this bit of 5.2 patch notes:

Added: Unblocked plugs (e.g. plugs not locked inside a chastity belt) are now automatically hidden by the animation filter, which will allow more regular SLAL animations to play.

 To me it reads like not locked in place plugs are ignored on animation filtering. Yet trying to start an animation with a corresponding tag that leads to it getting switched after a brief time, just like before.

Is it working as intended and I'm just reading into it what I want to see there, or did I screw something up and it's supposed to work as I've understood it? Are there additional requirements, running device hider on plugs perhaps? In case it's relevant - Sl frameworkversion used used is Sl utility plus, all filtering settings on it were attempted to the same result.

shimemiya

shimemiya

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Hi, I'm having an issue with armbinders where if NPCs wearing armbinders turn, their arms suddenly un-snap from the armbinders. Searching for results yielded nothing.

Is anyone aware of the issue / a potential fix?

Using OAR and Nemesis.

EDIT: Upon further inspection, I saw that NPC turn animations are not covered by the OAR replacements. I'm not sure how to fix that exactly.

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Raine_Hyd

Raine_Hyd

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17 hours ago, shimemiya said:

Hi, I'm having an issue with armbinders where if NPCs wearing armbinders turn, their arms suddenly un-snap from the armbinders. Searching for results yielded nothing.

Is anyone aware of the issue / a potential fix?

Using OAR and Nemesis.

EDIT: Upon further inspection, I saw that NPC turn animations are not covered by the OAR replacements. I'm not sure how to fix that exactly.

Target the NPC with console then turn OAR to display which animations are being used. When they turn see what animation was used. If it's a non-DD one disable it and see if that fixes it. I have the OAR conversion at the bottom of my loadorder, only thing overwriting it xpmse.

shimemiya

shimemiya

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I actually figured it out, it seems that it was a vanilla npc turning animation. Not sure how to disable that, so I took some other animations that work and overwrote it.

Wastelanddom

Wastelanddom

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On 9/24/2023 at 3:53 PM, shimemiya said:

I actually figured it out, it seems that it was a vanilla npc turning animation. Not sure how to disable that, so I took some other animations that work and overwrote it.

What did you use to overwrite? I'm having the same issue. I downloaded feminize - NPC turn animations hoping that would help but no luck it seems

shimemiya

shimemiya

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On 9/25/2023 at 9:04 PM, Wastelanddom said:

What did you use to overwrite? I'm having the same issue. I downloaded feminize - NPC turn animations hoping that would help but no luck it seems

I used the MT_turn animations to overwrite, always the same ones found in the respective folders

 

Arandomperson14

Arandomperson14

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I just recently did a clean install of SSE and switched to Vortex. Now i'm having a problem with devious devices having no textures and appearing invisible in game. I've deleted and reinstalled DD multiple times and have batch built with bodyslide every time just to end up with the same issue. I can't find anything online about this happing so I was wondering if anyone here had suggestions.

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CatEclcticMods41

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any guide for this mod? Any Book in-game guide included that help player to use this mod? I asking this because I don't what key use for what item.

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DickChapman

DickChapman

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I'm playing a male character, with the "for him" addon that comes with the mod activated. I also use the HIMBO body. However, in BodySlide I'm not given the option to build the devices for the body, only the CBBE ones show up. This is resulting in most devices not showing up on my character, like for example, the corset works, but the gloves just cause my char to lose his hands.

 

Update: turns out it's Deviously Cursed Loot being itself, and not supporting male characters, not base DD. Is there an alternative to Cursed Loot that actually works for male players?

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Spanishguy

Spanishguy

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Hello, i have the following problem with DD:

 

[zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (1E041472)].zaddevicesunderneathscript.RebuildSlotmask() - "------------------------------" Line ?
    [zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (1E041472)].zaddevicesunderneathscript.UpdateDeviceHiderSlot() - "------------------------------" Line ?
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (1E041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.OnUpdate() - "------------------------------------" Line ?
[09/29/2023 - 11:39:04PM] error: Unbound native function "FormHasKeywordString" called
[09/29/2023 - 11:39:04PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp48"

 

Aparently it's a problem with one dll, but the patch is no longer available

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