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Is there actually an HDT version of the nipple and vaginal piercings with collision, etc. for SE?

Always looks strange when they don't move and just stick to the tits....

Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, GerdWagner said:

Is there actually an HDT version of the nipple and vaginal piercings with collision, etc. for SE?

Always looks strange when they don't move and just stick to the tits....

 

No there's not. You'd need to add bones to them, then write the xmls from scratch... Unless you know of a mod that added PE physics to them in the past. Then all you'd need to do us update the strings in the nifs and write the xmls from scratch...

 

Not really something that's easy. Just doing the conversion of the chains from PE to SMP was a bitch, and it's still not perfect. You're welcome to try making it yourself.

 

Edit: You may want to watch this thread. Looks like the author is working on learning SMP to add it to those piercings.

 

Edited by zarantha
Posted
1 hour ago, BruhMoment4444 said:

Do you have any other links, Mega is bad service, it's says I need to wait 5 hours just to download the file completly. It was at like 99%! 

 

Never had a problem with it, and there aren't alternate links.

Try using the mega client if your browser is having problems downloading.

Posted
11 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

No there's not. You'd need to add bones to them, then write the xmls from scratch... Unless you know of a mod that added PE physics to them in the past. Then all you'd need to do us update the strings in the nifs and write the xmls from scratch...

 

Not really something that's easy. Just doing the conversion of the chains from PE to SMP was a bitch, and it's still not perfect. You're welcome to try making it yourself.

 

Edit: You may want to watch this thread. Looks like the author is working on learning SMP to add it to those piercings.

 

I had already tried it, with similar piercings for which I could have used the XML further. But unfortunately it failed because the bones could not be saved. At least not with the outfit studio^^
But thanks for the link :)

Posted
17 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

What mod did you install to get a nude female body?

Are you using UNP or a variant of UNP like BHUNP?

Are you using CBBE or 3BA or CBBE 3BBB?

 

To minimize clipping, you install the option that corresponds to your body. UNP and CBBE SE are options in the installer.

 

BHUNP and the 3BBB bodies require bodyslides linked in the troubleshooting post. If you're using something like Touched by Dibella (TBD), you're on your own. There might be a bodyslide conversion for it, or you might need to fix it in outfit studio yourself.

i use CBBE

Posted
2 hours ago, GerdWagner said:

I had already tried it, with similar piercings for which I could have used the XML further. But unfortunately it failed because the bones could not be saved. At least not with the outfit studio^^
But thanks for the link :)

 

Bones can be copied between nifs using nifskope and copy branch on the top level custom bone connecting to the xp32 skeleton. Other than weight painting and posing, I haven't tried editing bones in outfit studio.

Posted
1 hour ago, Jimmy_G said:

i use CBBE

 

Shouldn't be much if any clipping on CBBE SE bodies unless you have an extreme preset.

 

Screenshot of the clipping?

What preset are you using to batch build the outfits?

And which binder is it? Please give the in game name.

Posted
2 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Shouldn't be much if any clipping on CBBE SE bodies unless you have an extreme preset.

 

Screenshot of the clipping?

What preset are you using to batch build the outfits?

And which binder is it? Please give the in game name.

i fixed it by lowering my wate nall it donse not clip thow i dont know if this hapend befor but doring some of the anmashis it worps my charaters chast and streshs it out i wood have tacking a pick but i desided im done playing the mod for nall

Posted
On 7/22/2020 at 12:30 AM, zarantha said:

Moved the conversation to a spoiler since I've taken over repurposed the post...

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On 7/21/2020 at 7:41 AM, YojimboRatchet said:

 

then i guess with that answer, it goes back to my original question. which of those fixes / patches are required and needed with the current version of DD SE and which are redundant ?

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On 7/20/2020 at 9:29 AM, YojimboRatchet said:

 

which is why i was suggesting perhaps adding these fixes as notes on the main post of the thread,

or another would be creating a new thread for hotfixes and such for DD (and maybe other mods) and maintaining the thread for these fixes

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So, since someone dug out the post where pfiffy had one of the first AIOs, and he does mention that the AIO includes the HDT stuff, this is how I'd handle patches. What  is needed depends on each person's install, not all patches will be needed by everyone. So 'required' is pretty loose.

 

Only Kimy can update the mod description and files to add the patches or not, she still owns/controls the project, including the DD conversion to SE. A new download page that consolidates fixes is possible, but would depend on Kimy. I tend to think that falls under the 'redistributing files' permissions, which is not allowed. We have been doing patches and workarounds based solely on her good will, and she has final say on the patching. Keeping them in this thread gives her a good chance to see to what we're doing. I'd prefer seeing how much is fixed on the next release before taking the step on creating a patch page.

 

And OK, I have more in my memory than I thought. New mega post for now.

 

 

Short 'How to' BodySlide

AKA how to fix 'invisible' outfits.

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BodySlide needs to be run through your mod manager, except for NMM. If you don't know how to start bodyslide from your mod manager, either google bodyslide setup with your mod manager, or read the bodyslide description page on the nexus.

 

For UUNP, make sure you have the LE BodySlide files to set BodySlide up to work correctly in SE with UUNP:
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/126669-question-on-uunp-bodyslide-references-for-sse/?tab=comments#comment-2699861

Alternatively, the LE files have been converted to SE here: Legacy UUNP (for SE) at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus

 

 

  1. Launch bodyslide from your mod manager
  2. Check groups - either uncheck everything, or select "DD Framework CBBE SE" (or UUNP if you use that). This group applies to 5.0/5.1. If using 4.3, select DDa, DDx, Heretic, and catsuit groups.
    image.png.952ade0856357f6852c9ce570e7b25af.png
  3. Look for a DD outfit in the Outfit/Body section and select it. Make sure your preset shows up. If you have a custom preset, it's assumed you know  how  to fix it if it's not showing up.
  4. Build that one outfit using the 'Build' button in the bottom center. Check where it is outputting to.
    image.png.6454239eb1034d7791ccc674c60b79aa.png
  5. If it's not going to the data folder you have set something up wrong. Check your bodyslide settings and make sure you are starting bodyslide correctly.
    image.png.e2fd2473bec60b56f655a787c5acf6a2.png
  6. Since we're running through the mod manager, you should have your game folder as the output path. If you have trouble still, you can override where it gets written to in the advanced section. I recommend saving to a mod in the mod staging folder in your mod manager. When setting mod load order (not esp) this output mod should overwrite DD. Most people should have the output path empty.
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  7. Now that you've got the paths setup correctly and have confirmed your preset is working with DD, you can batch build. Make sure Build Morphs are checked.
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  8. Select the options you want, then let it run.

 

If you are using DD SE 5.0 / 5.1 and DCL 9.0

  • Note: Do NOT use any script fixes from DD 4.3 with DD 5.0 / 5.1, or from DCL 8.x with DCL 9.x - you WILL break your game due to the script changes between versions!
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DD SE 5.0 to 5.1 delta upgrade

Note: This is not the full mod. Install it over the top of DD SE 5.0

DD 5.1 For Him and BRRF ESPs are included. All ESPs are form 43 and will work as is. Disable/delete the Him or BRRF ESPs if you did not install Him or BRRF with 5.0.

Devious Devices 5.0 to 5.1 upgrade.7z 276.07 kB · 951 downloads

 

Missing UNP bodyslides for DD 5.1 - sorry folks, this one is my fault. Now with low/high weights for elbowbinders.

UUNP DD Binders and Heretical SE 2.1.7z 96.41 MB · 179 downloads

 

 

Missing DD textures if you *don't* use DCL:

Devious Devices 5.x Textures for Non-DCL Users.7z 4.53 MB · 265 downloads

 

Required for DD 5.0 / 5.1

  • Mouths not opening for gags == Install MFG Fix or another MFG mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11669
  • Chains not moving == install HDT SMP: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30872
  • Don't want HDT SMP installed == build the 'NoHDT' options in the "DD Framework HDT or NoHDT chains" Bodyslide group. This is DDHotFix
  • DDa, DDx, etc groups missing == There is now a single group with everything: DD Framework CBBE SE.  Make sure to build this group instead.
  • Missing calves or forearms in outfits == Enable Devious Devices SE patch.esp. If still missing, report it please.

 

Troubleshooting fixes for DD 5.0 / 5.1

 

Required for 3BBB:

 

BHUNP for DD and DCL: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/10729-bhunp-3bbb-bodyslide-collection/

 

Using DD 5.0 / 5.1 with DCL or Zaz?

  1. If using DCL 8.5/8.4 and/or Zaz with DD 5.0: DCL-ZaZ HDT-SMP and other patches 20201204.7z
  2. If using DCL 9.0 and Zaz: DCL 9.0 or higher overwrites "DCL-Zaz HDT-SMP and other patches 20201204.7z"

 

SLIF patch for DD 5.0.
          NOTE: Using an old SLIF patch (included in the SLIF patch installer) will break device locks!
          zadLibs.pex

SLIF patch for DD 5.1 (rename to zadLibs.pex)

          zadLibs(5.1).pex 121.47 kB · 356 downloads

SLIF patch for DCL 9.0

          dcur_clocktickScript.pex 67.22 kB · 194 downloads

 

Known issues:

  • Dark Face issues in DCL - Export the facegen manually, or use Face Discoloration Fix
  • Idles not working/playing as expected with Nemesis - Use FNIS only if it doesn't work for you, Nemesis usuage has inconsistent results for DD users.
  • Conflict with No Enchantment Restriction SKSE Remake - Uninstall No Enchantment Restriction
    Alternately, try disabling DisenchantEverything in the NoEnchantmentRestrictionRemake.json
    Locks break / don't work with this installed, and likely other unlisted conflicts
  • DCL conflict with iEquip - Prevent DCL events from equipping items == https://www.loverslab.com/topic/33986-deviously-cursed-loot-v85-2020-03-24/?do=findComment&comment=2716828
  • Conflict with Quick Loot SE - Uninstall Quick Loot
  • Conflict with Your Own Thoughts - CTD on equipping anything that changes to 'hobble' animations, or 'hobble' animations not playing at all. Uninstall YOT
  • Conflict with Devious Lore - breaks DCL traps. Need more confirmation on this.
  • Some chains are broken / don't connect right.
    This is a limitation of HDT SMP that can't currently be fixed.
     

    https://www.loverslab.com/topic/60786-paradise-halls-home-sweet-home/?do=findComment&comment=2943956

    Do HDT chains work for SSE version? I think the DD AIO package for SSE includes Heretical.
     

    On 3/27/2020 at 3:41 PM, Musje said:

    Nope. They can be made to work with SMP with some limitations. I tried to convert a couple of the ZAP cHDT ankle chains to SMP but those do not work well, SMP does not allow half loop dependencies (2 points fixed to bones with a chain between them).  But the chains attached to a single bone might work.

 

If you are using DD SE 4.3

  • Note: Do NOT use any script fixes from DD 5.0 / 5.1 with DD 4.3 - you WILL break your game due to the script changes between versions!
  • Note2: Only the current release of DD is supported. I will not upload old versions and new fixes will not be back ported to 4.3. This is left for a time for users who cannot upgrade yet and will be removed at a future date.
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'Required' for specific issues with DD 4.3 AIO. Apply only the fixes you need, not everything.

 

Required for 3BBB:

 

SLIF patch for DD 4.3. Rename the file to zadLibs.pex.
          NOTE: Using an old SLIF patch (included in the SLIF patch installer) may break device locks!

          zadLibs(4.3).pex 112 kB · 11 downloads

 

Known issues:

  • Conflict with No Enchantment Restriction SKSE Remake - Uninstall No Enchantment Restriction
    Alternately, try disabling DisenchantEverything in the NoEnchantmentRestrictionRemake.json
    Locks break / don't work with this installed, and likely other unlisted conflicts
  • Conflict with iEquip - Prevent DCL events from equipping items == https://www.loverslab.com/topic/33986-deviously-cursed-loot-v85-2020-03-24/?do=findComment&comment=2716828
  • Conflict with Quick Loot SE - Uninstall Quick Loot
  • Conflict with Your Own Thoughts - CTD on equipping anything that changes to 'hobble' animations, or 'hobble' animations not playing at all. Uninstall YOT
  • Some chains are broken / don't connect right.
    This is a limitation of HDT SMP that can't currently be fixed.
     

    https://www.loverslab.com/topic/60786-paradise-halls-home-sweet-home/?do=findComment&comment=2943956

    Do HDT chains work for SSE version? I think the DD AIO package for SSE includes Heretical.
     

    On 3/27/2020 at 3:41 PM, Musje said:

    Nope. They can be made to work with SMP with some limitations. I tried to convert a couple of the ZAP cHDT ankle chains to SMP but those do not work well, SMP does not allow half loop dependencies (2 points fixed to bones with a chain between them).  But the chains attached to a single bone might work.

 

Troubleshooting:

 

 


Thanks for the tip , now i can finally play after like maybe 3 days of modding and laos , i got a little bug with the mod now , i use the alternate start to actually do the princess road and the problem is..i don't see the dress on my character like..when she is handcuffed etc...i don't see the part who are on the body and i see like a transparent thing and that's all , i don't know why , i got also a problem of Animation..

Posted
3 hours ago, TheLolita62500 said:


Thanks for the tip , now i can finally play after like maybe 3 days of modding and laos , i got a little bug with the mod now , i use the alternate start to actually do the princess road and the problem is..i don't see the dress on my character like..when she is handcuffed etc...i don't see the part who are on the body and i see like a transparent thing and that's all , i don't know why , i got also a problem of Animation..

 

Dresses need to be built in bodyslide. Either make sure you don't have any groups in bodyslide selected and batch build everything, or select the groups "DD - BRRF SE", "DD Framework CBBE SE" and "DD Framework HDT or NoHDT chains".

 

Animations, make sure you're using FNIS and not Nemesis. Don't use 360 Move, if you want something similar there's a 360 move option with FNIS Sexy Move.

Posted
4 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

Dresses need to be built in bodyslide. Either make sure you don't have any groups in bodyslide selected and batch build everything, or select the groups "DD - BRRF SE", "DD Framework CBBE SE" and "DD Framework HDT or NoHDT chains".

 

Animations, make sure you're using FNIS and not Nemesis. Don't use 360 Move, if you want something similar there's a 360 move option with FNIS Sexy Move.



Actually , before you answer , i download :

DD 4.3 AIO 3BA Bodyslide File 1.0.1 and DCL 3BBB Bodyslide

That makes some of the thing visible but still , some are still transparent , i'mma download what you tip me with ^^

Posted
18 minutes ago, TheLolita62500 said:



Actually , before you answer , i download :

DD 4.3 AIO 3BA Bodyslide File 1.0.1 and DCL 3BBB Bodyslide

That makes some of the thing visible but still , some are still transparent , i'mma download what you tip me with ^^

 

All the bodyslides come with the DD install for the CBBE SE body. You need to build those groups to have everything. The names I listed show up in bodyslide after installing DD 5.1, they are not separate downloads.

 

The DD 4.3 AIO 3BA bodyslide covers everything in DD 4.3, but does not contain the new outfits in 5.x. That is why you batch build the basic DD groups in addition to the 3BA bodyslides, otherwise you will be missing some outfits. That does mean that some outfits won't be 3BA and you may have breast clipping out of the outfit from time to time, but at least everything will be visible.

 

The DCL 3BBB bodyslides only contain the outfits that needed to be adjusted for breasts or would have the vagina showing. You still need to build the DCL CBBE SE group to get the gloves, boots, etc that didn't need to be changed for the 3BBB body.

 

So batch build all of these groups, selecting 3BBB when available and your HDT choices:

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If you still have trouble with the outfits showing up, run through the bodyslide spoiler in the troubleshooting post you were looking at earlier.

Posted
6 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

All the bodyslides come with the DD install for the CBBE SE body. You need to build those groups to have everything. The names I listed show up in bodyslide after installing DD 5.1, they are not separate downloads.

 

The DD 4.3 AIO 3BA bodyslide covers everything in DD 4.3, but does not contain the new outfits in 5.x. That is why you batch build the basic DD groups in addition to the 3BA bodyslides, otherwise you will be missing some outfits. That does mean that some outfits won't be 3BA and you may have breast clipping out of the outfit from time to time, but at least everything will be visible.

 

The DCL 3BBB bodyslides only contain the outfits that needed to be adjusted for breasts or would have the vagina showing. You still need to build the DCL CBBE SE group to get the gloves, boots, etc that didn't need to be changed for the 3BBB body.

 

So batch build all of these groups, selecting 3BBB when available and your HDT choices:

image.png.559398b1cd387bdca19f87aba011e52f.png

 

 

If you still have trouble with the outfits showing up, run through the bodyslide spoiler in the troubleshooting post you were looking at earlier.

 

I'm a bit lost with that..have you any sort of contact so we can do a call and you can help me with that ? ^^' ..Sorry if it's a bit strange but i really want this modpack to work totally...

Posted
37 minutes ago, TheLolita62500 said:

 

I'm a bit lost with that..have you any sort of contact so we can do a call and you can help me with that ? ^^' ..Sorry if it's a bit strange but i really want this modpack to work totally...

 

If you're not talking about invisible outfits, then please provide a screenshot of what you mean and skip the rest of this.

 

If you click the magnifying glass where I've put the red box, then you can select certain groups. If you click the x in the same box, it clears all selections.

Either explicitly select the DD groups checked in the screenshot -- OR -- don't select anything.

Either way will ensure everything DD related will be built.

 

If you select a specific group, you are telling bodyslide to look at only those outfits in that group. After selecting a group, you'll notice the outfits in the outfit drop down only show some outfits. If you don't check any group, then you see every single outfit with a bodyslide in your game. Bodyslide only batch builds outfits you see in the outfit drop down.

 

With DD 5.0 and 5.1 (collectively know as 5.x) new outfits were added.

The 3BBB conversion for DD was done for DD 4.3.

 

This means that there are new DD outfits that are not converted to 3BBB by any mod. For them not to be invisible, you MUST build the CBBE versions of the outfits not covered by the 3BBB conversion.

 

The other reason I wanted you to go through the troubleshooting post was to make sure your bodyslide was outputting to the right place. This would be the number one reason why outfits are missing/invisible after building the outfits in bodyslide. I'd rather not go through it again - that's the whole point of the post. This whole thing has been repeated multiple times in this thread.

 

Troubleshooting post, you want the bodyslide spoiler section.

 

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Posted (edited)

So i tried to convert them to form 44 with this https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17990/. But after enter the game I found that gag not open mouth, armbinder not hide hand behind back, etc. I assume that the script is not working. So anyone can tell me what should I do with this mod.

 

So it turn out that i am an idiot who forget to run FNIS. But there is still one problem that the gag not open mouth.

 

More researching and found MFG fix. Finaaly resolve the problem. Got damn pain in the ass.

Edited by hungvipbcsok
Posted
1 hour ago, hungvipbcsok said:

Hello, I just moved to SSE today. I download the DD SE version but all esm and esp are form 43. How can I fix that?

 

Don't try to convert them, some things in DD (no, I don't have a list) will be broken after resaving. It is not required for any mod to be form 44 to work, SE will use form 43 just fine.

Since you have attempted to resave them, I'd recommend reinstalling them to get them back to the original state.

 

Gag is something different, you need to install MFG fix.

Armbinders, make sure you're not using nemesis or the mod 360 move.

 

Go through the troubleshooting post for other known issues.

 

Posted

I'm having some issues with the gags.  They don't appear to be opening my character's mouth.  I thought it might be an issue with FNIS or Bodyslide, but I can't seem to get it working.  It was working just fine before I reinstalled my mods.  Same issue on a new save file.  Any suggestions?

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, ChandraArgentis said:

I'm having some issues with the gags.

First you must check one message above in this post - there is solution. Also check troubleshooting page with link in the same post, maybe there you found more answers for other problems.

But answer is install Mfgfix mod.

Edited by Elsidia
Posted
2 hours ago, KalBreen said:

How can I  disable the DD Belted Solo animation?

 

It can't be disabled. You can try unchecking the animations filter options in DD's MCM, which can let your see a wider range of animations but you'll also get animations that don't make sense with your current bindings. Even with unchecking them though, you still won't get the full range of animations in SexLab, as the filter cannot be completely disabled.

Posted
32 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

It can't be disabled. You can try unchecking the animations filter options in DD's MCM, which can let your see a wider range of animations but you'll also get animations that don't make sense with your current bindings. Even with unchecking them though, you still won't get the full range of animations in SexLab, as the filter cannot be completely disabled.

Ok. Thanks heaps. Always appreciate your advice!

Posted (edited)

Hi, im having T-Pose problems i am not able to fix.

 

 

I used DD and co on oldrim and NMM without problems, now switched and am working on a fresh installation of SSE with vortex. After some trouble i got a little bit used to the new modmanager, however after having most basics installed and got to the kinky stuff... i have T pose problems i could isolate towards the Devious Devices Mods.

 

- I did use Fnis, manually and automaticly ( with vortex and ticked patch for DD) before and after installation, multiple times by now

- I did use Bodyslide

- I checked thoroughly if the problem is still there without the mod, its not.

- No known incompabilties with other mods ( i used same mods on oldrim and i am just at the basic mods right now)

- I checked for loot messages but it just tells me its not made for SSE nothing more,  but DD is definetly the SE version and the others have this one as its master so i assume they are as intended too.

 

I dont know what else it could be, it must be FNIS or incompability , i do use prettier fight animations but that worked on oldrim too with DD.

 

Edit:

 

Fnis gives the warning message as vortex, "not made for SSE might not work as intended"

Edited by Grimmdal

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