[AAF] Sexual Harassment (12/20/2024)

[EgoBallistic]

9 minutes ago, jarno5 said:

Took a look at the mainscript, looked easy enough to just add another slot using the indexnumbers.

but im getting multiple errors on a line thats was already there.

Line 15: AAF:AAF_API AAF_API

It would help if you posted the exact text of the errors. 

 

Compiling AAF mods requires that you have the AAF and LooksMenu source scripts installed.  So the problem could be your editor/compiler setup, but it could just be missing scripts.

[jarno5]

11 hours ago, EgoBallistic said:

It would help if you posted the exact text of the errors. 

 

Compiling AAF mods requires that you have the AAF and LooksMenu source scripts installed.  So the problem could be your editor/compiler setup, but it could just be missing scripts.

That could be it ofcourse, i do have the source scripts for AAF, but not sure about looksmenu.
Errors like in the attachment, on multiple lines

[justforcensor]

On 6/7/2020 at 11:55 PM, seraph85 said:

Is every flirt and sex approach supposed to turn into rape? I Have the devious device options all set to 0 and yet whenever the scene starts the guys start throwing on DD stuff and it counts as a rape. I'm trying to play it as either a hesitant slut or prostitute but it doesn't really let you, its just bondage and rape every time.

true. got same problem

[ugibber]

No offense but Sex Game got old pretty fast. Please make it optional.

[Tanglin]

2 hours ago, ugibber said:

No offense but Sex Game got old pretty fast. Please make it optional.

I think the sex game is fine. It's ultimately a roll of the dice to see if you successfully repel the harasser. It's more interesting this way than replacing it with one line of dialogue saying whether he is leaving you alone or not.

[thehotness]

On 6/8/2020 at 4:55 AM, seraph85 said:

Is every flirt and sex approach supposed to turn into rape? I Have the devious device options all set to 0 and yet whenever the scene starts the guys start throwing on DD stuff and it counts as a rape. I'm trying to play it as either a hesitant slut or prostitute but it doesn't really let you, its just bondage and rape every time.

Same here. This is a great mod, but getting trapped in devices for every scenario is getting old quick. I want the DD for stuff like violate. All the MCM options are set to zero but I'm still getting trapped in it. 

[ugibber]

11 hours ago, Tanglin said:

I think the sex game is fine. It's ultimately a roll of the dice to see if you successfully repel the harasser. It's more interesting this way than replacing it with one line of dialogue saying whether he is leaving you alone or not.

This game should be one of possible outcomes. Every single approach ending with the same mini game is the opposite of interesting. It's repetitive and annoying.

[Tanglin]

7 minutes ago, ugibber said:

This game should be one of possible outcomes. Every single approach ending with the same mini game is the opposite of interesting. It's repetitive and annoying.

First of all. not every single approach proceeds to the molest game. Fan, Blackmail and Hypnosis approaches never lead to molest.

 

Secondly, you have other actions you can take during a sex approach. You can submit, if you're roleplaying a submissive. You can spend Willpower to repel the harasser, if you're roleplaying a dominant. If you always choose to plead, which by default has only a 5 percent chance to succeed (you can even configure the chance of success in the MCM), then the molest scene proceeds. And if you didn't want to spend Willpower earlier to avoid this, you can do so now to get out of it. So, given all the options, how is there a lack of possible outcomes?

[ugibber]

7 hours ago, Tanglin said:

First of all. not every single approach proceeds to the molest game. Fan, Blackmail and Hypnosis approaches never lead to molest.

 

Secondly, you have other actions you can take during a sex approach. You can submit, if you're roleplaying a submissive. You can spend Willpower to repel the harasser, if you're roleplaying a dominant. If you always choose to plead, which by default has only a 5 percent chance to succeed (you can even configure the chance of success in the MCM), then the molest scene proceeds. And if you didn't want to spend Willpower earlier to avoid this, you can do so now to get out of it. So, given all the options, how is there a lack of possible outcomes?

Thank you, Tanglin, I know I can spend willpower IN MINI-GAME. I also know that approaches that do not lead to sexual intercourse do not proceed to the sex mini game either (would be really strange if they did). And I'm fully aware that there are many options to deal with harasser, like shooting him in the head, placing landmine in his way or reloading the previous save. But that's not how I play. Again: I always have mini game before sex, I personally find it repetitive, I would like it to be one of the random outcomes or a togglable option if it's not too much of a hassle for the mod author. And for the love of god stop telling other people what to like.

[Tanglin]

3 hours ago, ugibber said:

Thank you, Tanglin, I know I can spend willpower IN MINI-GAME. I also know that approaches that do not lead to sexual intercourse do not proceed to the sex mini game either (would be really strange if they did). And I'm fully aware that there are many options to deal with harasser, like shooting him in the head, placing landmine in his way or reloading the previous save. But that's not how I play. Again: I always have mini game before sex, I personally find it repetitive, I would like it to be one of the random outcomes or a togglable option if it's not too much of a hassle for the mod author. And for the love of god stop telling other people what to like.

I didn't tell you what to like. I told you that I like this feature and laid out the options available to you. If you can say that you don't like something, why can't I say that I like it?

 

So, back to your points. I''m not talking about options that fall outside the purview of the mod like shooting them. The mod already has a range of options available to you. You said you want the minigame to be a random outcome. It already is random. It has a chance to happen or not happen when you pick the dialogue option "Plead". The default chance for Plead to repel the harasser so that the minigame doesn't happen is 5%. You can change the success rate to up to 20% in the MCM. And you are in control of the situation when someone comes up to you and speak in a rude and lewd manner. Pick Resist.,which consumes some Willpower, and the harasser will go away. Picking Plead means you're rolling the dice. Don't pick Plead if you don't like to take the chance for the minigame to happen.

 

And if you're asking for Plead to lead to other possible outcomes, other than the current binary ones, then it behoves you to understand the mod and its options and then suggest what that third outcome should be. Leading off with "No offense but Sex Game got old pretty fast. Please make it optional" isn't going to make the mod author want to address your concern at all. Why would he? You're using his mod for free, and now you're talking like he owes you something. Be polite, be constructive, and then you might get a discussion going with twistedtrebla.

[Guest]

Hello twistedtrebla

 

I would like to know if it was possible to desactivate"trashcan carla" from your mod because I deactivated the settlers but carla does not stop harassing me for everything: hypnosis, fan, blackmail .... it becomes tiring at the long

[ugibber]

9 hours ago, Tanglin said:

I didn't tell you what to like. I told you that I like this feature and laid out the options available to you. If you can say that you don't like something, why can't I say that I like it?

 

So, back to your points. I''m not talking about options that fall outside the purview of the mod like shooting them. The mod already has a range of options available to you. You said you want the minigame to be a random outcome. It already is random. It has a chance to happen or not happen when you pick the dialogue option "Plead". The default chance for Plead to repel the harasser so that the minigame doesn't happen is 5%. You can change the success rate to up to 20% in the MCM. And you are in control of the situation when someone comes up to you and speak in a rude and lewd manner. Pick Resist.,which consumes some Willpower, and the harasser will go away. Picking Plead means you're rolling the dice. Don't pick Plead if you don't like to take the chance for the minigame to happen.

 

And if you're asking for Plead to lead to other possible outcomes, other than the current binary ones, then it behoves you to understand the mod and its options and then suggest what that third outcome should be. Leading off with "No offense but Sex Game got old pretty fast. Please make it optional" isn't going to make the mod author want to address your concern at all. Why would he? You're using his mod for free, and now you're talking like he owes you something. Be polite, be constructive, and then you might get a discussion going with twistedtrebla.

Dear Tanglin, I always thought that saying 'please' is a polite way to ask a person to do something. I also tried to be as constructive as possible by describing my issue with the aforementioned minigame (it gets old after a while) and offering the solution which would make everyone happy (make it optional). I assure you that I am fully aware that nobody on Loverslab (including twistedtrebla) owes me anything. I'm not demanding anything, I'm making a polite request, which is a normal practice, and you, as a senior member, should welcome it with open arms. And instead you are forcing your opinion on me and telling me how to 'properly' role play my own character. Unacceptable!

Back to dirty details. When the harasser dismisses your plead or demand to leave you alone he always proceeds to minigame. This is not a random outcome, this is the only outcome. Stop telling me to change percentage in the mcm or to use willpower. I'm happy with my 5% success rate, I have no willpower and I'm not planning to change that. I just don't want a minigame before sex. Is it really that difficult to understand? Or are you just trolling me? "Pick Resist" "Don't pick Plead" "Don't be naked" "Don't leave the vault"  ffs I hope you're kidding.

[Tanglin]

43 minutes ago, ugibber said:

Dear Tanglin, I always thought that saying 'please' is a polite way to ask a person to do something. I also tried to be as constructive as possible by describing my issue with the aforementioned minigame (it gets old after a while) and offering the solution which would make everyone happy (make it optional). I assure you that I am fully aware that nobody on Loverslab (including twistedtrebla) owes me anything. I'm not demanding anything, I'm making a polite request, which is a normal practice, and you, as a senior member, should welcome it with open arms. And instead you are forcing your opinion on me and telling me how to 'properly' role play my own character. Unacceptable!

Back to dirty details. When the harasser dismisses your plead or demand to leave you alone he always proceeds to minigame. This is not a random outcome, this is the only outcome. Stop telling me to change percentage in the mcm or to use willpower. I'm happy with my 5% success rate, I have no willpower and I'm not planning to change that. I just don't want a minigame before sex. Is it really that difficult to understand? Or are you just trolling me? "Pick Resist" "Don't pick Plead" "Don't be naked" "Don't leave the vault"  ffs I hope you're kidding.

 

I dunno who taught you that saying "please" automatically makes it polite. If someone were to say to you, "Please, shut up", would you say that he was being polite?

 

And why are you even trying to justify your first post? Look at the past posts in this support thread. Count the number of times twistedtrebla has responded to whiny posts just like yours. Posts that whine about this or that feature and offering nothing constructive. Zero. What makes you think he'll respond to yours? That you said "please" and therefore you were being polite?

 

Instead of being defensive and trying to convince me, or anyone, that a one-line post that goes, "No offence, but Sex Game got old pretty fast. Please make it optional." is both polite and constructive,  try putting in more effort to make an actual constructive post. Try putting in more thought into making a suggestion. You don't want to take the options that are already available to you given by the mod? Then you need to convince the mod author why he needs to expend the energy to accommodate you. 

 

At the end of the day, it's not me you need to convince. It's twistedtrebla. You know that, right? I'm not some gatekeeper. I'm telling you that if you want a mod author to do something for you, you need to be persuasive and show that your proposal is worth the effort that the author will need to expend. And the one-line post that you made will earn you the same response that all the other posts like yours have earned - silence. You don't have to take my word for it. Check it for yourself. And remember, it's not me you need to convince. It's twistedtrebla.

[ugibber]

18 minutes ago, Tanglin said:

 

I dunno who taught you that saying "please" automatically makes it polite. If someone were to say to you, "Please, shut up", would you say that he was being polite?

 

And why are you even trying to justify your first post? Look at the past posts in this support thread. Count the number of times twistedtrebla has responded to whiny posts just like yours. Posts that whine about this or that feature and offering nothing constructive. Zero. What makes you think he'll respond to yours? That you said "please" and therefore you were being polite?

 

Instead of being defensive and trying to convince me, or anyone, that a one-line post that goes, "No offence, but Sex Game got old pretty fast. Please make it optional." is both polite and constructive,  try putting in more effort to make an actual constructive post. Try putting in more thought into making a suggestion. You don't want to take the options that are already available to you given by the mod? Then you need to convince the mod author why he needs to expend the energy to accommodate you. 

 

At the end of the day, it's not me you need to convince. It's twistedtrebla. You know that, right? I'm not some gatekeeper. I'm telling you that if you want a mod author to do something for you, you need to be persuasive and show that your proposal is worth the effort that the author will need to expend. And the one-line post that you made will earn you the same response that all the other posts like yours have earned - silence. You don't have to take my word for it. Check it for yourself. And remember, it's not me you need to convince. It's twistedtrebla.

Hey, Tanglin, I will need your professional expertise here. How many lines exactly should my post contain not to be considered whiny and rude but instead as polite and constructive as humanly possible? Thanks in advance dude!

[Tanglin]

Just now, ugibber said:

Hey, Tanglin, I will need your professional expertise here. How many lines exactly should my post contain not to be considered whiny and rude but instead as polite and constructive as humanly possible? Thanks in advance dude!

 

I'm going to ignore the snark and say, why don't you write as persuasively as you can and give it a shot? 

[ugibber]

33 minutes ago, Tanglin said:

 

I'm going to ignore the snark and say, why don't you write as persuasively as you can and give it a shot? 

That's it? A dismissive one-liner? You sound like a negligent school teacher. Not cool dude. Not constructive either. Goodbye, Tanglin, I hope you'll get better at moderating other peoples thoughts, opinions and sexual perversions someday.

[Krazyone]

On 6/7/2020 at 9:55 PM, seraph85 said:

Is every flirt and sex approach supposed to turn into rape? I Have the devious device options all set to 0 and yet whenever the scene starts the guys start throwing on DD stuff and it counts as a rape. I'm trying to play it as either a hesitant slut or prostitute but it doesn't really let you, its just bondage and rape every time.

I had this problem, I solved it by turning the number items to equip to 0. As well as turning off the Devious Devices equipping MCM options.

 

For me, turning off Devious Device equipping, did nothing. The Devious Devices text still comes up, saying they are sticking a Gag in your characters mouth. But turning the number of items to equip to 0, stops the mod from actually equipping anything...

 

 

You have to do this for all the different approach options, and any other MCM options.

[twistedtrebla]

What @Tanglin said is pretty spot on. @ugibber you'd have to convince me why I should spend my time accomodating your needs, expecting nothing in return. I'm willing to spend the time if it's something I would also enjoy. But if not, you'd have to give me a good reason for me to do it. Without a good reason, maybe a good suggestion for an alternative.

 

Right now, the "sex game" exists as a possible outcome to sex/rape approach and DD approach. It acts as a final opportunity for the player to do something before they ultimately get raped by the NPC. I mean, the NPC calls it a game, and if you don't like it being called a game, I can make the dialogue something else. But really, functionality wise, it's a mechanic for giving players a chance to prevent rape. What else would you prefer? Skipping the entire thing and jumping straight to an AAF sex scene? It used to be that. But that robs the player of choices, so I probably won't go back to that route. If you have good suggestions, I'm all ears. But I have yet to hear one.

 

@Krazyone and others, regarding DD on flirt approach... I think the MCM setting description may be a bit misleading. It's a setting for the chance that the NPC will put on additional DD on the player in a bad ending. If you noticed already, the bad end to flirt approach has scripted DD applications, which currently cannot be disabled. 

I may consider an MCM option for NPC to unlock all DD on the player after a bad flirt ending (NPC unlocks you after having fun with you).

And for some that don't like the possibility of any non-consensual sex for a flirt approach (which I think is lame ?), I may also add an MCM to disable "bad endings" in flirt approaches, too.

[twistedtrebla]

On 6/15/2020 at 11:56 PM, hkheung said:

Hello twistedtrebla

 

I would like to know if it was possible to desactivate"trashcan carla" from your mod because I deactivated the settlers but carla does not stop harassing me for everything: hypnosis, fan, blackmail .... it becomes tiring at the long

Hmm probably not. I dont want to start adding exceptions to one particular NPC, because that's not a scalable solution. I don't want to go down that route.

 

An alternative would be to disable "merchants", to which I believe Trashcan Carla belongs. I may add that, if I have the time for it. No promises though ?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, twistedtrebla said:

Hmm probably not. I dont want to start adding exceptions to one particular NPC, because that's not a scalable solution. I don't want to go down that route.

 

An alternative would be to disable "merchants", to which I believe Trashcan Carla belongs. I may add that, if I have the time for it. No promises though ?

thank you for answer

 

I understand but if you have the opportunity to remove the merchants it will be nice of you.
otherwise i would do with !

 

cordially

 

 

[ugibber]

Thanks for your answer, twistedtrebla. Ideally I'd prefer the extended 'Plead' version which would include: convincing the harassers to leave you alone (random success chance); attempt to trade with them (money, equipment, etc.); submitting to their demands if they promise not to put devices on you\ruin your reputation\hurt you(use consensual animations). If the harasser dismisses all of the above options he will proceed with rape\adding devious devices\sex game(and its consequences). I understand that you might not be interested in adding any of those options, so I figured it would be easier to convince you to make sex game optional (yes, that means jumping directly to AAF animations). Because as of now all my attempts to reason with harassers end up in one thing - sex mini game. Why would all perverts of the commonwealth play the exact same game with my poor character? Did they read the same Harassment Manual in Dealing With Helpless Vault Dwellers? Are they all synths who follow the three-steps-harassment-protocol? I don't know, but the idea to force the player to suffer through the exact same mini game for hundreds and hundreds of hours seems weird to me to say the least. Anyway, thanks for the great mod, I'll stick with 1.5.0 of course.

[mrdoodle]

This mod is bloody awesome (at least I am pretty sure it's this one).

Got the message that someone follows you. Looked around but saw none.

Proceeded in to a building, walked up a stair when 'caution' arrived at my screen.

Looked down and saw a raider coming searching for me.

Waited for him and shoot him halfway up the stair, totally unaware of me.

 

Immersion 10/10.

[Elsidia]

12 hours ago, mrdoodle said:

Waited for him and shoot him halfway up the stair, totally unaware of me.

And he raised from dead and rape you?)

[EgoBallistic]

On 6/19/2020 at 4:12 PM, twistedtrebla said:

Hmm probably not. I dont want to start adding exceptions to one particular NPC, because that's not a scalable solution. I don't want to go down that route.

 

An alternative would be to disable "merchants", to which I believe Trashcan Carla belongs. I may add that, if I have the time for it. No promises though ?

A suggestion: add the option to exclude "unique" actors.  This would prevent most named actors, like Carla, traveling merchants, the mayor of DC, etc, from becoming harassers, which can be immersion breaking and/or simply annoying if they do it a lot.

 

If you are using aliases it simply requires an "allowUnique" global and then a "S IsUnique NONE <= Global:allowUnique AND" condition on the alias.

[FercPolo]

Great work, mod author.   Really tight.

 

Is there a way to go into the mod files and fix some typos and grammar, maybe add new dialog pop ups?   I’d be happy to do it as posts to the mod author as well, whatever.   But the mod content is great, I would just like to polish the language.

 

I’m a professional VO so if you’re looking to add voice lines I’m volunteering some help there too.