sse or not to sse that is the question

[arpaschad]

so you are saying that you will just switch to SE to spend 6 (or wait) years more playing "new" skyrim hoping that one day all your mods at oldrim would be ported over to SE so you can have a semblance of what you used to have been playing in oldrim?

 

I don't know about you but with the exception of some new mods EXCLUSIVE only to SE that I think IMO are worth checking out there isn't much incentive in making the switch at this moment just to re-enact my load order in Oldrim and enjoy the same "Immersive AAA experience"...

 

Darkconsole should consider making new content to fallout 4...even though I never got to playing it (last fallout's I played were Tactics, 3, and New Vegas) I think it is still starving for more brand new content especially adult ones since the prospect of getting new mods there aren't so great: either wade into the flotsam and jetsam of mods available in Nexus to find a few worthy gems there or get "exclusive" content from Creation Cuck...besides, FO4 is the newer game...greener pastures...

 

you have been showing Skyrim to the class for almost 7 years Todd Howard...even with the new cover don't you think it's getting old?

 

I expect you show something new to the class in our next talent showcase...or else you'll get detention...Lol...

[swmas]

so you are saying that you will just switch to SE to spend 6 (or wait) years more playing "new" skyrim hoping that one day all your mods at oldrim would be ported over to SE so you can have a semblance of what you used to have been playing in oldrim?

 

I don't know about you but with the exception of some new mods EXCLUSIVE only to SE that I think IMO are worth checking out there isn't much incentive in making the switch at this moment just to re-enact my load order in Oldrim and enjoy the same "Immersive AAA experience"...

 

If you put it like that it's pretty obvious there is no logical reason to play SE, I mean is the same game basically that was launched in 2011. Why would you play it again for another 6 years just cause it has fucking god rays? Damn people are stupid.

[yatol]

 

Anyways, Personally I would say go to SSE. It may be lacking mods (not as much as people say to be honest) but thats why I would recommend going to SSE. If SSE gets mod authors on board, especially lately with all the mods being ported and skse64 and even before that with the mod replacements without needing SKSE, id say SSE has a great chance of being something awesome.

 

they were saying that last year too, look at the result

 

the modders that stop playing skyrim years ago, didn't came back to port their mod to sse

the ones that have hide their mod on nexus for the paid mod crap, didn't came back to port them either

some modders gave up after failing to port their mod to sse (you just have to load the esp in crap kit they said... there's nif to convert, bsa to repack and don't remember the rest)

others that didn't got sse for free took that as a good time to leave the scene (buying sse just to port their mods? it's better to just close the comment section and write last version)

 

there's that kind of stuff too

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/83906-sexlab-light-se/

x take care of sexlab

y take care of sexlab light se

z take care of flower girl

euh...

[MadMansGun]

We are a bit beyond the days of the capacitor plague. Most stuff worth buying now either uses Japanese 105^oc caps, or polymer caps (like my 1998 Intel motherboard-which runs flawlessly after all these years due to the build quality+attention to detail).

Edit: Stay away from Asus though-5 board from them, all of them developed problems (even the one with a 5 year warranty)

i wish that was true, but i'm still finding bad capacitors inside new products, especially in Samsung's crap.

ironically my motherboard is a Asus ROG Crosshair.

[SmedleyDButler]

Regardless of opinions being actually posted in the thread (vocal minorities and all that), it seems the vote is pretty clearly 2:1 in favour of Oldrim, which is a pretty big margin. 

[darkconsole]

 

 

a semblance of what you used to have been playing in oldrim

 

think this may be what some people are failing to understand. to be brutally honest i have never had a really pleasant time playing skyrim. either it looks like ass, or it runs like ass. my current enb which barely does anything drops me down to 25-28fps. here i am now in sse, and it looks almost exactly the same as with my enb, even has working dof, and im pegged at 60fps everywhere i look. from my pov the game experience has already become a billion times more appealing.

[yatol]

 

here i am now in sse, and it looks almost exactly the same as with my enb

 

"your" enb suck then

 

 

 

won't load the game to screen those places without enb, but it won't look like that without enb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[arpaschad]

aren't there a lot of other nice looking ENBs? I'm seeing other people here with nice looking screenshots of their ENB'd game in oldrim... I don't use ENB's much in the first place since using the high ended ones are FPS sinks like you mentioned...If I knew correctly those High-End ENB's are used only for screenshot archery anyway...there are low-powered ones that you can use for gameplay...otherwise ENB's don't make me finish killing Anduin or Mirrak any faster...

 

it's nice to see your game "Photorealistically Awesome" but Anduin is still Anduin...you are still a godlike being in Tamriel and npcs still moonwalk over dead bodies while keeping a straight face...

 

But I also understand you want a nicer looking Skyrim in a newer engine since I think you take a lot of screenshots...you also have a blog in Tumblr so...

 

guess I'll have to download SE now it seems 

[zax]

Asking for opinions doesn't make sense because Oldrim community is still bigger so it will get more votes (obvious).

 

Classic Skyrim community will be only shrinking and SSE growing, thats the only difference.

[RUD3DUD3]

either it looks like ass, or it runs like ass.

this actually is true about oldrim for most users except for those that run the game on 1080 or ti's and i7 or i9 and then says my game runs fine and looks fine. well, of course, it does you are using a system with so much of spare hardware power for oldrim at 60fps to make up for that loss of performance. you have to choose between good performance or good visuals you cant have both in oldrim.

[Content Consumer]

 

to be brutally honest i have never had a really pleasant time playing skyrim. 

 

I forgot... you've said that before. That sucks.

 

 

guess I'll have to download SE now it seems 

Well it's not like the old Skyrim mods are going to be deleted or anything.

And I'd wager that even if every Skyrim modder instantly switched right this very minute to developing for SSE, you'd still have plenty of time before mods got updated to the point you simply must have the new features!!!!!

[arpaschad]

 

Well it's not like the old Skyrim mods are going to be deleted or anything.

guess I'll have to download SE now it seems 

And I'd wager that even if every Skyrim modder instantly switched right this very minute to developing for SSE, you'd still have plenty of time before mods got updated to the point you simply must have the new features!!!!!

 

 

 

I'm just waiting for darkconsole to just announce that she would be making the next iterations of her mods to SE...then I'll switch...if she delivers upon the features she highlighted in her tumblr about Untamed 2 then I'll say if making the switch is worth it...

 

just like good games are what sells the gaming consoles, good mods are what sells re-releases of an old-ish game...

 

how about you CC? any projects "Exclusive" to SE in the future? I want those alternate starts in SE...I won't be assed to spend the shit-long opening sequence again every time I make a new game lol 

[Content Consumer]

 

how about you CC? any projects "Exclusive" to SE in the future? I want those alternate starts in SE...I won't be assed to spend the shit-long opening sequence again every time I make a new game lol 

 

 

I don't have any specific plans to do exclusive content, but I'm sure that I'll migrate over eventually.

 

CCAS is going to require Sexlab, LAL, Fuz Ro D-oh (shademe has said that he's working on it, but has given no timeframe).

 

It'll also require EZ2C or some equivalent, for the dialogue menu bugfix. That might already be out too, as far as I know.

 

The problem with CCAS in particular is all of the third-party mods it requires in addition to those listed above. Like, I'm sure the scenarios I made will work, but the whole point of CCAS is to integrate starts for other mods, and if those mods don't exist, it'll have a pretty short list.

[swmas]

 

either it looks like ass, or it runs like ass.

this actually is true about oldrim for most users except for those that run the game on 1080 or ti's and i7 or i9 and then says my game runs fine and looks fine. well, of course, it does you are using a system with so much of spare hardware power for oldrim at 60fps to make up for that loss of performance. you have to choose between good performance or good visuals you cant have both in oldrim.

 

 

That is not true at all, also the ones with those cards most of the time get a combo of mods that makes everything so dark they don't see anything anyways and they say it looks awesome. So the beauty is in the eye of the beholder but pity people that say they can't play a game cause of the graphics.

[MadMansGun]

So the beauty is in the eye of the beholder but pity people that say they can't play a game cause of the graphics.

 

[swmas]

 

So the beauty is in the eye of the beholder but pity people that say they can't play a game cause of the graphics.

 

 

 

Watched it a couple of times read some of the comments I still don't get it. It looks like an atari zelda game what did it have to do with skyrim?

[darkconsole]

 

Watched it a couple of times read some of the comments I still don't get it. It looks like an atari zelda game what did it have to do with skyrim?

 

its a joke about the ET game for atari, believed to be one of the hardest games ever by many.

[yatol]

 

That is not true at all, also the ones with those cards most of the time get a combo of mods that makes everything so dark they don't see anything anyways and they say it looks awesome. So the beauty is in the eye of the beholder but pity people that say they can't play a game cause of the graphics.

 

 

many say it's good, so it's good for the sheeps too

 

here's a "good" screenshot i took from nexus

euh...his light is too strong

because his shadows are also too strong

and that don't even make his trees not dark, even the rocks are too dark

 

shadows don't make those trees dark

you can put that in skyrim without problem

 

 

the tree on the left is dark, the tree on the right have enderal bslighting and isn't dark

 

and the ones that say it look the same without enb... need a new pair of eyes

noobdy would use enb because of its performance cost if it was looking the same without...

 

 

of course it look bad, i use water for enb, and lighting is also configured for enb

those "no fps loss" enb have that too, since a "no fps loss" enb, that doesn't exist

the difference between enbs, it's that

losing 5% of 60% more fps depending on the effects settings...

if you are to enable enb, it's stupid to do it to not use some of its stuff

 

 

[swmas]

 

 

That is not true at all, also the ones with those cards most of the time get a combo of mods that makes everything so dark they don't see anything anyways and they say it looks awesome. So the beauty is in the eye of the beholder but pity people that say they can't play a game cause of the graphics.

 

 

many say it's good, so it's good for the sheeps too

 

here's a "good" screenshot i took from nexus

euh...his light is too strong

because his shadows are also too strong

and that don't even make his trees not dark, even the rocks are too dark

 

shadows don't make those trees dark

you can put that in skyrim without problem

 

 

the tree on the left is dark, the tree on the right have enderal bslighting and isn't dark

 

and the ones that say it look the same without enb... need a new pair of eyes

noobdy would use enb because of its performance cost if it was looking the same without...

 

 

of course it look bad, i use water for enb, and lighting is also configured for enb

those "no fps loss" enb have that too, since a "no fps loss" enb, that doesn't exist

the difference between enbs, it's that

losing 5% of 60% more fps depending on the effects settings...

if you are to enable enb, it's stupid to do it to not use some of its stuff

 

 

 

 

I just use ENB cause Skyrim has shit shadows. The second screenshot looks like vanilla Oblivion. DOF is a retarded effect that eats a lot of fps and is NOT needed, your eyes do DOF for you. I mean with DOF enabled the game forces me to look where it wants, it doesn't make sense to have it enabled unless I want to take some screenshots.

 

[MadMansGun]

Watched it a couple of times read some of the comments I still don't get it. It looks like an atari zelda game what did it have to do with skyrim?

 

i was joking about ultra low graphics, and in 1979 that game was skyrim.

 

[swmas]

 

Watched it a couple of times read some of the comments I still don't get it. It looks like an atari zelda game what did it have to do with skyrim?

 

i was joking about ultra low graphics, and in 1979 that game was skyrim.

 

 

 

Skyrim is a mediocre game, if Oblivion had Skyrim's sex mods i wouldn't care about Skyrim at all. Also I'd pick Fallout 2 over FO3 or FO4 any day. Graphics will always get obsolete but good gameplay and story will not.

[yatol]

 

Skyrim is a mediocre game, if Oblivion had Skyrim's sex mods i wouldn't care about Skyrim at all. Also I'd pick Fallout 2 over FO3 or FO4 any day. Graphics will always get obsolete but good gameplay and story will not.

 

 

oblivion have those mods... loversvictim, loverspk, loversdon'tremember

and there's mods to get rid of skyrim easy mode to get back morrowind gameplay (oblivion? have never finish that one, don't have a save left to try to go close those gates)

[swmas]

 

 

Skyrim is a mediocre game, if Oblivion had Skyrim's sex mods i wouldn't care about Skyrim at all. Also I'd pick Fallout 2 over FO3 or FO4 any day. Graphics will always get obsolete but good gameplay and story will not.

 

 

oblivion have those mods... loversvictim, loverspk, loversdon'tremember

and there's mods to get rid of skyrim easy mode to get back morrowind gameplay (oblivion? have never finish that one, don't have a save left to try to go close those gates)

 

 

That's the problem with lovers stuff most of them are japanese mods translated into english or should I say engrish. I can't get gameplay overhaul mods for skyrim cause it will just crap out with all the script heavy mods from loverslab that I have. Even so, the story in skyrim is boring.

 

I still remember the shock I had when playing skyrim for the first time, getting a quest "get me my sword back" I was waiting like an idiot and trying to ask for directions from the quest giver, looking at my journal, but no, all that shit is on the map menu - go wherever the arrow is pointing, not even some flavor text in the journal, just Misc objective: retrieve the sword. wtf?

In Oblivion you had a nice quest update popup and all of them saved in the journal, in Morrowind you had to actually ask NPC's for directions after the quest giver just gave you vague information but Skyrim just shat all over that. And with all of that repeated banter between NPCs made me miss the mudcrab talk from Oblivion.

[yatol]

 

In Oblivion you had a nice quest update popup and all of them saved in the journal, in Morrowind you had to actually ask NPC's for directions after the quest giver just gave you vague information but Skyrim just shat all over that. And with all of that repeated banter between NPCs made me miss the mudcrab talk from Oblivion.

 

 

i don't miss having no idea what i am supposed to do

nothing complicated to re translate a mod if you don't like the translation

and the script heavy bullshit is just some bullshit

 

some merge mods to ignore the number of esp limit, you can do the same with scripts to ignore the stack dump limit

you use defeat, npc get one script

you use auto unequip ammo, npc get one script

you use enhanced blood, npc get one script

 

if there's 100 npc, it's 300 scripts

if there's 1000 npc, you get a stack dump

if you copy paste defeat and autounequip ammo script in enhanced blood script, and make the quests load that script, that change nothing in game, but those 3000 scripts are now 1000 scripts, no stack dump

[Guest]

Here's my two cents: For all its glory Oldrim is a shitty piece of software. SE is better in virtually every aspect (performance, stability, visuals, etc.) other than that it just doesn't have enough content (ie. mods). Also, as you said, most of us own Newrim anyways. Newrim is an untapped gold mine. I think ALL mod makers should abandon Oldrim and instead focus their effort on SE. I mean, why are we still here? Just to suffer?