ck2 [mod] Lesbocracy

[BlackDragoWolf]

17 hours ago, Buzhidao said:

I think you're using the old version of the mod, not the one I released on December 1.

yup i just look at the date i got the file and it's from the 29th, thanks for the help

[Buzhidao]

10 hours ago, test121 said:

I've played School of Sappho mod before and it was a blast. Now I'm looking for something more simple. I love the new enatic clans pagan reformation mechanics added in holy fury, which basically makes your realm into a matriarchy with male concubines and all. I wonder can you somehow turn off the School of Sappho in this mod? I'd love to play just a matriarchal christian kingdom, but I don't want to be forced into a society of lesbians.

That's an almost complete rewrite of the mechanics, i.e. you're basically asking for a different mod.

[TriggerBlade]

If you're up for some more groups to vary content I have some ideas.

Some historians discuss the status of female inheritance in ancient Egypt. The theory goes that the reason so many brothers married their sisters was because the kingdom was given to the husband of the eldest daughter. Not sure how it would fit into lesbians too much, but it is a way to form a gynarchy.

 

Not sure how it'd work for an Islamic ruled Egypt, but after the Arab conquest I doubt the Ptolemaic connections would have remained for arab egyptians to consider Saphos as an inspiration.

http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/royal_women.htm
https://quatr.us/egypt/inheritance-land-ancient-egypt.htm

 

For West Africans, which are so far away that Saphos and Orchid would not even be a thought, there's the Sande Society. A major downside to this is that the society regularly practiced female genital mutilation.

 

Now you could either coordinate with the circisim mod author, which does had immersive features such as male circisim for jews, or you could go a-historical and maybe have this group be a heresy of the society. It does have a male equivalent which would be a reason for a lesbian ruler reforming the society in protest to both of these factors.

 

Another plus side to this is that the society did teach young initiates in the sexual arts, but for husbands. This is another tradition that could be reformed. Now while it was usually found among countries south of the border in CK2, it is stated that the Mande people did take part. The Mande are in CK2 so there's your justification for West Africans to have this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sande_society

 

I've brought this up before, but there's the Viking thing where there were female private quarters that men could not enter without being emasculated. Plenty of chances for lesbian sex away from the eyes of men. Strengthen shieldmaiden culture to a point where the women could force men to recognize power. With consorts in Holy Fury, they could reverse the gender roles.

You could also just make a fictional group based off of Valkyries. Described as royal females and determining the fate of dead men.
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/gayvik.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie

To separate India from the Orchid group. There were historical Khajuraho Temples. There are statues depicting homosexual and bisexual interactions between both men and women and would be a great inspiration for a lesbian society. In general India was very tolerant of homosexual sex since sexual pleasure was a way of worshiping the physical form gifted by the gods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khajuraho_Group_of_Monuments

 

For more focus on near east. Ancient Mesopotamia offered many liberties to women such as financial and even limited political power, such as being judges. A female ruler could learn of this and attempt to revive some of these traditions before establishing a gynarchy.

https://www.historyonthenet.com/mesopotamian-women-in-mesopotamian-society

 

Then there's just a whole lot of badass women in history that could act as role models. Some may not have been lesbians but they could inspire. Boudicca and her daughters were betrayed and raped by the Romans which lead to a giant rebelion headed by Boudicca. She may have been defeated, but her might was so noteworthy that it was firmly recorded in history. An angry female ruler could use her story and revive celtic culture in a similar manner that the the Saphos group is used to revive some ancient greek scholarly pursuits.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/ten-powerful-and-fearsome-women-ancient-world-002947

Here's a list of lesbian goddesses with some of the myths being able to inspire more societies and expand on the ones currently in the mod. Artemis and Athena were virgin goddesses only in that they were never penetrated. They had multiple female lovers. Aphrodite is also famous for being a bisexual. There's also this line in the first link. "The goddess Aurora was worshiped by Sappho's women on Lesbos." Though Aurora is the Roman name of Eos. Goddess of Dawn.

 

There's also mentions of two Aztec goddesses who were lovers for those with the Aztec DLC. In general pre-conquest South America had many homosexual traditions.
https://johanna-hypatia.livejournal.com/71020.html
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Eos-Greek-and-Roman-mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Mexico#Precolumbian_era
 

Here's the wikipedia page of LGBT history which has links to varied cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality


As a side note. I'm not sure how much effort this would be but perhaps more of Way of Life focus could be done? Like for Saphos specifically. Women with a martial focus could follow a Spartan like life-style. Kill male heirs and have events that improve martial skill. Scholar focus could center around Athena, Hunter Artemis, Seduction Aphrodite. Ariadne was the wife of Dionysus, so she could be for social. This could apply to all pagan religions. Even if the goddesses themselves were not lesbians, they're still role models.

 

Dipping into christianity, Mary mother of Jesus was a virgin mother. While I wouldn't suggest portraying her as a lesbian, virgin motherhood would be very likely to be regarded by a secret lesbian society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariadne#As_a_goddess

[AlexWyrmin]

On 12/6/2018 at 10:36 AM, Buzhidao said:

Advertising my new mod that I waited forever to post: OP Immortals. It can make you look young again if you became immortal at an old age.

I read about the power's cooldown time in the description, does that mean you can regenerate only once every seven years rather than turn yourself into an ancestor of Wolverine?

[Buzhidao]

19 hours ago, AlexWyrmin said:

I read about the power's cooldown time in the description, does that mean you can regenerate only once every seven years rather than turn yourself into an ancestor of Wolverine?

Yes.

[AlexWyrmin]

2 hours ago, Buzhidao said:

Yes.

Sorry if you found it a redundant question, but that "seven years cooldown" could have also meant that you needed to reactivate the power every seven year because otherwise the regenerative aspect would stop working after the cooldown ended.

[Buzhidao]

13 minutes ago, AlexWyrmin said:

Sorry if you found it a redundant question, but that "seven years cooldown" could have also meant that you needed to reactivate the power every seven year because otherwise the regenerative aspect would stop working after the cooldown ended.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cooldown

I'm not so sure

[AlexWyrmin]

2 hours ago, Buzhidao said:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cooldown

I'm not so sure

There's nothing in the official definition that would contradict either of my interpretations of your words. "Cooldown" is just "how long you've got to wait until you can use an ability again" condensed in one word, there's no mention of how long said ability is going to remain active after being triggered.

[Buzhidao]

2 hours ago, AlexWyrmin said:

There's nothing in the official definition that would contradict either of my interpretations of your words. "Cooldown" is just "how long you've got to wait until you can use an ability again" condensed in one word, there's no mention of how long said ability is going to remain active after being triggered.

Ah, okay, NOW I get what you meant. That would require some kind of a background script that would remove all the wounds as you get them if you're immortal.

I don't think I would turn it into a targeted decision if I wanted to go in that direction - I'd just write a few events instead.

[AlexWyrmin]

14 minutes ago, Buzhidao said:

Ah, okay, NOW I get what you meant. That would require some kind of a background script that would remove all the wounds as you get them if you're immortal.

I don't think I would turn it into a targeted decision if I wanted to go in that direction - I'd just write a few events instead.

On the Workshop there's already a mod that does exactly that through events triggered by a congenital trait. On its own, aside from allowing constant wound regeneration and total immunity from disease, it turns you pretty much into a Tolkien elf, as in you can die only if someone kills you, and paired with the latest versions of Dark World Fantasy it becomes the perfect asset to roleplay as a dynasty with distant demonic ancestry being brought back to the fore thanks to the devil still sitting at the bottom of the family tree.

[Buzhidao]

Updated the mod. No Muslim-specific content yet, but I've started reading the Quran yesterday.

Many fixes for Merchant Republics including a few new features + the ability to have female concubines, courtesy of @zia.

[DMoney1331]

Ran into a bug a while back when trying out hellenism, thought I should pass it along. I should note this was with an earlier version of the mod, so apologies if it's already been patched. Hellenic vestals appear to be coded to have the no marriage requirement, but lesbocracy did not appear to notice this when they attempted to use the homosexual marriage decision, so I'd have vestals continuously marrying/being split up by the no-marriage requirement/marrying again and so on. At first I didn't notice anything was happening, but if it affected anyone on my council it'd send non-stop notifications regarding the continuous marriages. I'm not sure if this is specific to hellenism, or if something similar would happen with Catholicism or pagan religions with monasticism

[Buzhidao]

5 hours ago, DMoney1331 said:

Ran into a bug a while back when trying out hellenism, thought I should pass it along. I should note this was with an earlier version of the mod, so apologies if it's already been patched. Hellenic vestals appear to be coded to have the no marriage requirement, but lesbocracy did not appear to notice this when they attempted to use the homosexual marriage decision, so I'd have vestals continuously marrying/being split up by the no-marriage requirement/marrying again and so on. At first I didn't notice anything was happening, but if it affected anyone on my council it'd send non-stop notifications regarding the continuous marriages. I'm not sure if this is specific to hellenism, or if something similar would happen with Catholicism or pagan religions with monasticism

Thanks for letting me know. What exactly are vestals in-game? Temple vassals? Monastic society? Just a hellenic alternative for nuns? I will block them from marrying in the next update.

[DMoney1331]

1 hour ago, Buzhidao said:

Thanks for letting me know. What exactly are vestals in-game? Temple vassals? Monastic society? Just a hellenic alternative for nuns? I will block them from marrying in the next update.

Temple vassals, didn't see any similar issues for their various societies.

[Buzhidao]

14 hours ago, DMoney1331 said:

Temple vassals, didn't see any similar issues for their various societies.

okay

[lockeslylcrit]

On 12/21/2018 at 6:29 AM, Buzhidao said:

the ability to have female concubines, courtesy of @zia.

Zia sent me the same thing, and I integrated it into DWF. I'll modify my decision to not appear when has_global_flag = lesbocracy_running is true, to prevent doubling up on decisions.

[Buzhidao]

3 hours ago, lockeslylcrit said:

Zia sent me the same thing, and I integrated it into DWF. I'll modify my decision to not appear when has_global_flag = lesbocracy_running is true, to prevent doubling up on decisions.

uh-oh, that flag should clear itself after 5 days. I'll modify it to stay, so that this thing would work.

Btw, "Offer concubine" only targets dynasty members - if you plan to expand, you can take that into account.

[lockeslylcrit]

21 minutes ago, Buzhidao said:

uh-oh, that flag should clear itself after 5 days. I'll modify it to stay, so that this thing would work.

Btw, "Offer concubine" only targets dynasty members - if you plan to expand, you can take that into account.

?

In that case, I'll keep the decision as is. It's more of a "Take Concubine" rather than an "Offer Concubine" decision.

[Buzhidao]

29 minutes ago, lockeslylcrit said:

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In that case, I'll keep the decision as is. It's more of a "Take Concubine" rather than an "Offer Concubine" decision.

I've changed the lesbocracy_running flag. It won't be cleared anymore.

[Rentetsuken]

When playing as a tribal matriarchy, am I supposed to be completely unable to hire a Chancellor, Marshall, and Steward?  I can sort of cheat my way around it with a tag switch of the government over to standard tribal, but I get the feeling that isn't supposed to be the way to deal with that.

[Buzhidao]

5 hours ago, Rentetsuken said:

When playing as a tribal matriarchy, am I supposed to be completely unable to hire a Chancellor, Marshall, and Steward?  I can sort of cheat my way around it with a tag switch of the government over to standard tribal, but I get the feeling that isn't supposed to be the way to deal with that.

Something is overwriting my changes. What mods do you have installed?

[Rentetsuken]

4 hours ago, Buzhidao said:

Something is overwriting my changes. What mods do you have installed?

Only running the latest version of the mod and bigger interface.  Don't see how the latter would be interfering.

[Buzhidao]

4 hours ago, Rentetsuken said:

Only running the latest version of the mod and bigger interface.  Don't see how the latter would be interfering.

Hmm. What if you just don't have any women in your court?

Send me your save, I can't figure out the problem without looking at it.

P.S. what's this bigger interface mod? Honestly, it could interfere.

[lockeslylcrit]

14 hours ago, Buzhidao said:

P.S. what's this bigger interface mod? Honestly, it could interfere.

It's a mod that only overwrites the .gfx and .gui files to allow for larger windows. It has no known conflicts except to mods that modify the 3.0 reformation window (e.g. Three Reforms Doctrine)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=762121960

[Buzhidao]

9 hours ago, lockeslylcrit said:

It's a mod that only overwrites the .gfx and .gui files to allow for larger windows. It has no known conflicts except to mods that modify the 3.0 reformation window (e.g. Three Reforms Doctrine)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=762121960

Okay then.

@Rentetsuken I will definitely need your save then.