Guest Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 When the "Request Sections" will be done, we will post some generic rules for tagging/naming. The rules will not be strict (you will not get punished if you fail) Moderators, as usual, will move the request topics that are done in a different section to the correct section. And we may (may) add tags / rename the request to ease the searches. And ideas for tags (I am just writing it up here, we (the staff) didn't discuss it yet): * Request --> Added to all pending requests * Completed -> Added to requests that had an answer * Body -> Something related to body * Mesh -> Something related to finding meshes, fixing meshes, creating meshes * Conversion -> Request to port something or convert from a body type to another * Searching for -> I am looking for a mod like... * Texture -> Something related to textures * Sound -> Something related to sound and music * Idea -> I have this wonderful idea, can you do it for me? * Commission -> I am willing to pay if you do this for me (this can be beneficial in many cases)
gregathit Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Doing so is contingent on whether it is possible with our current forum software. It also depends on what ramifications it has globely. I doubt that we can create such tags only in a particular subforum and not have them everywhere. Either way, doing so manually solves this in the short term until Ashal has a chance to look at other options.
AnubiSs2167 Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 but "catering to idiots" is the only way you can educate them into non idiots, what do you think schools are doing? catering to smart people? and how is "not speaking English" their choice? that's like saying its someones fault for being born with a peanut allergy and not supplying them with Epipens. English is fucking hard to learn if you don't already know it: https://www.oxford-royale.co.uk/articles/learning-english-hard.html "I decided to desert my dessert in the desert" "fuck the fucking fuckers and lets just fuck like the fuckers we are" most of the mods that are found on LoversLab are only available on LoversLab, so they don't have any choice but to come here if they want SexLab, SL Animation Loader, More Nasty Critters and the Creature Framework. If they fail to put minimal effort into researching topics (like reading forum rules or 1st site of the mod) and instead get the links and answers on a silver plater they will learn that somone is always there to do their job, hence the feeling of entitlement grows. Not only you have to make mods for me , you have to install it for me. Instructions? I dont have time for that! This site is 18+ we are dealing with adults here, this is not school. Some behaviors are expected of adults (like not spamming ask threads, or reading mod description). I dont see the connection between peanuts and learning english. Unless peanut alergy is something that you can cure by your own work. Alot of active users here where born in non english speaking countries, me included. My father do not speak english, my mother do not speak english. If people write here then it means they have the internet and prob dont live in 3rd world country. Knwoledge was never so easy to obtain and free. And english is extremly easy language, despite your claim. Hell, i dont know a single tense, i just glue up parts of sentences i heard on tv, read about or saw in video games. no one expects an oxford speach here. Personal responisbility , i know its a hated term in this day and age.
ChaosZen Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 When the "Request Sections" will be done, we will post some generic rules for tagging/naming. The rules will not be strict (you will not get punished if you fail) Moderators, as usual, will move the request topics that are done in a different section to the correct section. And we may (may) add tags / rename the request to ease the searches. And ideas for tags (I am just writing it up here, we (the staff) didn't discuss it yet): * Request --> Added to all pending requests * Completed -> Added to requests that had an answer * Body -> Something related to body * Mesh -> Something related to finding meshes, fixing meshes, creating meshes * Conversion -> Request to port something or convert from a body type to another * Searching for -> I am looking for a mod like... * Texture -> Something related to textures * Sound -> Something related to sound and music * Idea -> I have this wonderful idea, can you do it for me? * Commission -> I am willing to pay if you do this for me (this can be beneficial in many cases) Edited to say that I may have misread what you had said at first. In rereading, I notice that you say "we may", indicating it was likely just a pre-emptive guideline suggestion, and possibly much the same as what I had replied (below). Just an opinion or two: I think it may be better to name the forum section something more inclusive, such as "Mod Requests, Suggestions, and WIP". (or similar), so those not really requesting a mod, but instead wanting to ask how to make their own, or who are simply asking for help with making specific assets also know it would be the appropriate location. As for the tags: It may be best and easiest to just post a sticky topic that recommends suggested tags to use, rather than trying to edit any PHP code or make other changes to enforce or automate anything to do with tags. At the least, perhaps not make it a priority yet, go one step at a time, and see how things progress, before considering any sort of revisions, as any need may or may not arise. People may likely opt to use either a title prefix or tag to group together "Assets", WIP, "Idea", "Request" or similar. I think that if enough of us electively choose to start our topics with prefixes and matching tags, it could inspire at least some others to consider doing the same. Examples: "Asset - Audio dialog recording to use with your mods" "Asset - A new dancing animation" "Asset - A few new outfits that I made" "Idea - What if when dying, your inventory gets scattered on the ground?" "WIP - A new but much simpler option to random start locations" "Request - Are there any mods which can allow me to fly?" Maybe we should wait and first see if users could somewhat keep things productive and organized to a reasonable extent, before presuming that none of them ever will, and demanding extra (and potentially unnecessary) work "just in case". .
Guest Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 ... The section names will be decided by Ashal, he usually comes out with good names. The sticky post will be for sure there to give some guidance. Tags will not be imposed, especially if they will be too complex.
ChaosZen Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 ... The section names will be decided by Ashal, he usually comes out with good names. The sticky post will be for sure there to give some guidance. Tags will not be imposed, especially if they will be too complex. Yeah. Sorry, I interpreted that much after I had already posted my reply and noticed I had misread it previously. Then you responded before I added an edit.
Frozium Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Im with D_man on this. Everyone one makes mistakes but catering to idiots will only create more of them. Not speaking english is their chocie and its not our repsponsibility to make rules around their lazyness. This is an english speaking forum and most of the internet is writen in english aswell, faster they realize that some doors are closed to them the better. I never studied english wich is evident by the way i write, yet it i can somewhat use it on comunicative level. Couldn't agree more with you. People like you and me have decided to spend a LOT of time studying english and putting it in practice. It's very frustrating when a random user just goes around speaking their own foreign language even when the rules of a website states that english MUST be used to communicate. This not only happens here, but in many many websites. I am spanish, but I always speak english when required.
Rezkin Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Im with D_man on this. Everyone one makes mistakes but catering to idiots will only create more of them. Not speaking english is their chocie and its not our repsponsibility to make rules around their lazyness. This is an english speaking forum and most of the internet is writen in english aswell, faster they realize that some doors are closed to them the better. I never studied english wich is evident by the way i write, yet it i can somewhat use it on comunicative level. Couldn't agree more with you. People like you and me have decided to spend a LOT of time studying english and putting it in practice. It's very frustrating when a random user just goes around speaking their own foreign language even when the rules of a website states that english MUST be used to communicate. This not only happens here, but in many many websites. I am spanish, but I always speak english when required. Hur durr you special snowflakes. No one said anything about making a rules or breaking them. Everyone simply saying that a user shouldn't be dealt so harshly without a warning and as seen here it work > most newcomers who came in skyrim mod forum and post about where to find or what mod usually doesn't do it again after being corrected by the moderator and redirected to the right thread. and they usually end up active members> banning someone for a week for a simple mistake and excepting him to be like "Yes Sir" and come back after shutting your forum in his face like that? what kind of thick-skin do you think people have? Yes you spent a lot of time learning english but a lot of people might be just starting to and loverslab might be even their first forum.. jumping the gun and swinging the ban hammer around is not the way a great community work. and loverslab is one because it known for it tolerance with modders and leechers unlike a certain others.
gregathit Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Folks, let's stay on topic. Ban policies are set by Ashal. NO ONE ELSE. Moderators enforce those policies. Nothing is going to change in the foreseeable future regarding those policies at this time. When a change is needed, Ashal will post an explanation on the what and why. Now, can we please get back to discussing the topic in the OP. Thanks.
meme supreme Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 I'm with some of you you that those kinds of people should just learn english -- I got most of my basic english from playing Warcraft 3 when I was a kid, but if you're the one with the power to give them a reply that'll fix their issues, guide them in the right direction, ultimately make them go away, why not do it? Should save everyone a bit of time. It'll definitely be a bit hectic when there's a full on forum pretty much made for them and their weird unclear requests, but it'll be worse if the first few posts to each of these threads are mocking image macros and hostile replies.If anything the rules should be put more front and center in basic, clear terms so everyone has the chance to read them and go through with a request without being needlessly dense or obscure about what they actually want or how they actually want it.
Sarge Misfit Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 When it comes to finding a mod or requesting that one be made, I gave up. That thread is simply too bloody big to find anything.
Nazzzgul666 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Just an opinion or two: I think it may be better to name the forum section something more inclusive, such as "Mod Requests, Suggestions, and WIP". (or similar), so those not really requesting a mod, but instead wanting to ask how to make their own, or who are simply asking for help with making specific assets also know it would be the appropriate location. Not sure about the WIP part. It sounds good first, but considering that 2/3 of my usual "must-have" mods are tagged with WIP... i don't know if that wouldn't replace half the forum. Maybe something like "Alpha versions (help wanted)" or "My first mod" would fit better for people who just started modding and search for help or feedback, while those who know what they're doing can upload as usual. And i can't resist to say a word about the other stuff: I didn't read the forum rules, i didn't study hard to learn english, and i have to admit that i asked questions which were mentioned in the first post of a mod once or twice... but i can proudly claim that none of my threads was ever closed or even moved. But i'm reading forums (and english books) since 20 years, that saves a lot of work. When i'm supposed to actually speak english, it would probably need a lot of good will to guess what i mean. And i don't think anybody should be punished for making a mistake once or twice. It's not like we have 10 people who open 5 threads each with the same stupid questions every day. The reason i'm so active in this forum is because i was so surprised and amazed how friendly and helpful people here were, and answering (even stupid) questions is my try to give something back to this forum since i don't have any mods to offer. And if somebody behaves like a dick, stopping answering usually solves that problem pretty fast.
Guest Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Please consider creating a forum topic area or two (non-adult, and adult), for Mod and mod-making information requests. Currently, most topics posted which even remotely sound like any sort of request get locked and the user directed to repost as a reply in "Mod Requests" topics which have more than 480 full pages of unrelated replies, which cause even the most useful information or worthwhile ideas to quickly become buried under hundreds of unrelated and often trivial custom item/clothing requests. What I would imagine to be much more productive, as well as encouraging new mod makers, would be if these sort of things could go to a topic area, instead of a single recycled topic, so that those which show promise or are worth developing have a chance to work out ideas, advice, suggestions and possibly even be the start of actual mods. The current practice of the single over-bloated topic discourages mod makers from wanting to waste time wading through item and outfit requests which so experienced makers never see the requests, while those wanting to learn how to make mods get their questions and ideas buried into obscurity, and questions never seen by anybody who may know how to help them get started. Allowing mod ideas to be their own topics, could also serve for the very replies and conversations to become a "work in progress", and more likely to evolve not only into new mods, but to also lead to new mod authors. Allowing it to be a topic area, instead of a single topic would allow those with low interest or appeal to fade away over time when receiving no new replies, while those which show interest have a chance to rise to the top. I sincerely feel this would improve the community overall, just by it's potential to help teach and encourage new mod authors. The idea people sit around like at student government waiting for newbies to come in so they can pounce splits people into two groups, those who rule, those who serve, and the third group, anarchists. OK maybe not, but it rankles having to preface posts with [OT] etc to please some anal-retentive types well schooled in the art of forums. If that made no sense, I could rephrase:you can't compartmentalize subjects to death, you're assuming people dutifully dig through the detritus to find your special little thread. Request threads are like any other thread, oldest to newest. Well except the users who get all ballistic at repeated requests over time. "That request is well known, you'll have to do better than that". If I were king, I'd ban ad hominems and everything else would be legal. Otherwise you'd have the cool people and their friends, and everyone else.
ChaosZen Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 Please consider creating a forum topic area or two (non-adult, and adult), for Mod and mod-making information requests. Currently, most topics posted which even remotely sound like any sort of request get locked and the user directed to repost as a reply in "Mod Requests" topics which have more than 480 full pages of unrelated replies, which cause even the most useful information or worthwhile ideas to quickly become buried under hundreds of unrelated and often trivial custom item/clothing requests. What I would imagine to be much more productive, as well as encouraging new mod makers, would be if these sort of things could go to a topic area, instead of a single recycled topic, so that those which show promise or are worth developing have a chance to work out ideas, advice, suggestions and possibly even be the start of actual mods. The current practice of the single over-bloated topic discourages mod makers from wanting to waste time wading through item and outfit requests which so experienced makers never see the requests, while those wanting to learn how to make mods get their questions and ideas buried into obscurity, and questions never seen by anybody who may know how to help them get started. Allowing mod ideas to be their own topics, could also serve for the very replies and conversations to become a "work in progress", and more likely to evolve not only into new mods, but to also lead to new mod authors. Allowing it to be a topic area, instead of a single topic would allow those with low interest or appeal to fade away over time when receiving no new replies, while those which show interest have a chance to rise to the top. I sincerely feel this would improve the community overall, just by it's potential to help teach and encourage new mod authors. The idea people sit around like at student government waiting for newbies to come in so they can pounce splits people into two groups, those who rule, those who serve, and the third group, anarchists. OK maybe not, but it rankles having to preface posts with [OT] etc to please some anal-retentive types well schooled in the art of forums. If that made no sense, I could rephrase:you can't compartmentalize subjects to death, you're assuming people dutifully dig through the detritus to find your special little thread. Request threads are like any other thread, oldest to newest. Well except the users who get all ballistic at repeated requests over time. "That request is well known, you'll have to do better than that". If I were king, I'd ban ad hominems and everything else would be legal. Otherwise you'd have the cool people and their friends, and everyone else. Sorry, but I do not see how or where your response relates to anything mentioned in my suggestion/request. Could you elaborate, or address each point individually? .
Guest Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Please consider creating a forum topic area or two (non-adult, and adult), for Mod and mod-making information requests. Currently, most topics posted which even remotely sound like any sort of request get locked and the user directed to repost as a reply in "Mod Requests" topics which have more than 480 full pages of unrelated replies, which cause even the most useful information or worthwhile ideas to quickly become buried under hundreds of unrelated and often trivial custom item/clothing requests. What I would imagine to be much more productive, as well as encouraging new mod makers, would be if these sort of things could go to a topic area, instead of a single recycled topic, so that those which show promise or are worth developing have a chance to work out ideas, advice, suggestions and possibly even be the start of actual mods. The current practice of the single over-bloated topic discourages mod makers from wanting to waste time wading through item and outfit requests which so experienced makers never see the requests, while those wanting to learn how to make mods get their questions and ideas buried into obscurity, and questions never seen by anybody who may know how to help them get started. Allowing mod ideas to be their own topics, could also serve for the very replies and conversations to become a "work in progress", and more likely to evolve not only into new mods, but to also lead to new mod authors. Allowing it to be a topic area, instead of a single topic would allow those with low interest or appeal to fade away over time when receiving no new replies, while those which show interest have a chance to rise to the top. I sincerely feel this would improve the community overall, just by it's potential to help teach and encourage new mod authors. The idea people sit around like at student government waiting for newbies to come in so they can pounce splits people into two groups, those who rule, those who serve, and the third group, anarchists. OK maybe not, but it rankles having to preface posts with [OT] etc to please some anal-retentive types well schooled in the art of forums. If that made no sense, I could rephrase:you can't compartmentalize subjects to death, you're assuming people dutifully dig through the detritus to find your special little thread. Request threads are like any other thread, oldest to newest. Well except the users who get all ballistic at repeated requests over time. "That request is well known, you'll have to do better than that". If I were king, I'd ban ad hominems and everything else would be legal. Otherwise you'd have the cool people and their friends, and everyone else. Sorry, but I do not see how or where your response relates to anything mentioned in my suggestion/request. Could you elaborate, or address each point individually? . [OT] No, I'm batting pretty low in the persuasion area. 1.Do not Micro-manage 2 do not be over-organizational 3 Be open to new ideas (that are easy to search for) The more topic areas there are, the more opportunities to fudge-up and post the wrong way in the wrong place/ O, and (OT, To no one in particular), let people speak the language they're good at, instead of having to endure users who will pick at the spelling, the tense or the wording. I'll bet, this being such a hugely popular place (and stuff) that there are pairs of people who speak other languages.
Ashal Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 The sections have been made now. However, I still need to finish a few organizational things, such as notifying the current single topics. I'm likely going to post some guideline's in each as well about what to include in your post/request, but it may take a day for two.
ChaosZen Posted January 26, 2017 Author Posted January 26, 2017 The sections have been made now. However, I still need to finish a few organizational things, such as notifying the current single topics. I'm likely going to post some guideline's in each as well about what to include in your post/request, but it may take a day for two. Thanks, not only for the new forum area, but for all that you do, and for Lover's Lab in it's entirety. .
D_ManXX2 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 I will keep your thread as a refence when things are not going in the right direction. and people need to be directed here http://www.loverslab.com/forum/80-request-find-skyrim-adult-sex-mods/ instead.
myuhinny Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Link leads no where. All I see is *No topics were found. This is either because there are no topics in this forum, or the topics are older than the current age cut-off.*
MadMansGun Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 sorry to bug you but "Request & Find - Skyrim Adult & Sex Mods" is not letting me post
Ashal Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 . sorry to bug you but "Request & Find - Skyrim Adult & Sex Mods" is not letting me post: notposting.jpg fixed
RitualClarity Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 at least change the rule then posting the wrong forum wil get you blocked for a week.. doing it again permanant ban. that's NOT a good idea, there are a lot of users on this website that: 1. don't speak English and will post in the wrong sub forums unknowingly. 2. are new to the site and don't know where they should be posting there questions. 3. have a topic that could apply to multiple sub forums. (note: the topic your in now was moved from another sub forum) 4. accidentally posted in the wrong forum because they were looking at the wrong tab in there web browser. edit: and this is a bit off topic, on some websites that would get both you and me banned. I'd be banned now if that was the case. I have posted in the wrong subform before. Not often but after a time I'd fall under that two wrong post rule. Most people once they have been informed start complying. Those that don't however is a different matter and then a moderator on a case by case basis needs to address it. ON this point I do agree with you. There needs to be a bit more done on this matter. However there are so many things that need a bit of attention what does the site admin/moderators focus on first? Example yesterday many new members > 5 post and > 2 weeks member were posting all over the place trying to get assistance to get their Sims downloads.
ragnam Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Request to make download pages have a little more info attached to them. Something like the last date a zip was put up. seeing like 10 zips or mirror sites and not knowing which was the latest one put up? that can confuse new people using the site more often. and if a modder uploads zip names with no sort of seq numbers makes it that much harder. Also maybe allow the modders to select groupings like required, options or archive edit screen name of file toggle one, option two, option three, Note or link like mirror [ ] required [ ] options [ ] Archive old[ ] [ ] display on download page like so, not a list of files and no way to tell what things or order they are Required Main.zip date uploaded +note tools008.zip date uploaded +note OptionsPower.zip date uploaded +note Hand.zip date uploaded +note patch.zip date uploaded +note Archiveblack smith hammers.zip date uploaded +note tools006.zip date uploaded +note tools005.zip date uploaded +note tools007.zip date uploaded +note tools004.zip date uploaded +note Well thats if it is possible to make the DL pages look more clarified If new users find what they need or try, and it works the first time, they will be a repeat user more often. means more traffic , and then the place to be.
Kaz Aanh Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 I don't like current setup. ( For What mods are this X ) Following each separate topic is tedious, 1 mega-thread was better. Keep it for requests maybe only? /My opinion Out/
YAK★ Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 I don't like current setup. ( For What mods are this X ) Following each separate topic is tedious, 1 mega-thread was better. Keep it for requests maybe only? /My opinion Out/ not a good idea imho. since i just play sims 4 and are not intrested in any other mods.
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