Paradise Halls - Home Sweet Home (SE/LE)

[EinarrTheRed]

Started testing the new HSH this morning.

 

Started with the quest line disabled this time, visited Pardo at the Restless Hunter, dialogs seemed normal and working properly.

Still getting slaves trained to test all the features.  Did try the new opton for a threesome, works!

Still cannot get the "hanging around" tie them up option to work, they just walk away after I give the command and begin sandboxing.  If I talk to them again it gives me the "you've been punished enough" and snap out of it options.  I know I have the animations (Display model used them back when i had that installed).  All other tie up options and furniture work fine.

 

And nobody is bolting for the door in Breezehome.

 

That's all I got for now.  Need to train some slaves up to test more.

[CliftonJD]

Thanks, I'm going to give that a go.

 

np

[Guest ffabris]

(1.01) So, small issue, I think. I finished "Dispensing justice", talk to a prisoner guard to continue. But at the same time, I get dialog allowing me to expand vanilla player homes and any permanent/temporary camp. He says he can sell me what is needed ... yet there is no dialog option to buy. So.... either that dialog is missing, or the leadin to it should not be available yet. I think.

[Musje]

There is no special dialog to sell slave camp tokens, they are sold through the regular vendor menu. Does the guard have a "what do you have for sale" option after finishing that quest?

 

The option to expland player homes only appear if you actually own those homes

[Guest ffabris]

There is no special dialog to sell slave camp tokens, they are sold through the regular vendor menu. Does the guard have a "what do you have for sale" option after finishing that quest?

 

The option to expland player homes only appear if you actually own those homes

 

Not selling the tokens, buying them. He says he can sell me what I need to create "camps", but then there is no dialog to actually buy from him.

 

I do own the homes, so that part isn't a problem.

 

[Musje]

I meant the "what do you have for sale" line that all vendors have to open up the buy/sell window. Does the guard have that?

 

If you have the houses but aren't offered the upgrades, that;s a bug. I'll have a look. In the mean time just complete the quests and the right options will appear

[Guest ffabris]

I meant the "what do you have for sale" line that all vendors have to open up the buy/sell window. Does the guard have that?

No. But the other dialog line suggests that I should be able to purchase the tokens. So it is just odd that I can't .... yet?

 

If you have the houses but aren't offered the upgrades, that;s a bug. I'll have a look. In the mean time just complete the quests and the right options will appear

The upgrades are offered, that part is fine.

[Musje]

Ok thanks, it's clear where to look for this bug

[Guest ffabris]

My pleasure!

[CliftonJD]

what's the time of day at the shop - possible issue with the normal market shop times in skyrim closed after 9 i think it is

[Guest ffabris]

Uhm, that I don't remember. I did try the dialog at a few different points in the quests, but I don't recall time of day.

[CliftonJD]

Uhm, that I don't remember. I did try the dialog at a few different points in the quests, but I don't recall time of day.

 

try returning to the shop during daylight hours to see if that makes the difference or if it really is a bug in the new system

[Musje]

The slaver item shop should be 24/7 though Business never stops!

I'll run a few checks as well

[sidfu]

so far i havent had problems with newest version. only issue ive had is sometimes when u tie up a slave to equipment they get confused where it is but just talk to them and use the punished enough fixes that. if the slave shop closeing then its probaly another mod forceing him to close. i use immersive ai overhual and since it made for specific npc i know it woulldnt causse him to close shop.

 

also love the breeze home fix. so far no one running ooutside.

 

u might want to upload the breezehome fix to nexus on its own as i had that issue before i even used HSH. alot of people who might have the issue.

[Musje]

The tie up issue seems somewhat common, and it's usually due to the slave not finding the right marker or furniture. This is how it works:

- Some options like the rope bondage, or the chains, are done on the spot and require no marker.

- The Wall and Cell options require Wall and Cell markers, obviously.

- The Bedroom options need a Bedroom marker, and the Warm my bed option needs a bed near the marker as well (in the same room). Maybe it doesn;t recognize all types of beds.

- The Toys option needs ZaZ furniture to work.

 

If a slave cannot find the right marker or furniture, they will just stand around.  If they are too far from the markers, this happens as well (you'd need a pretty large home for this to happen).  By the way, after half a minute or so, the slave should just get teid up in situ if they can;t find the marker.

 

To make sure your slaves are always tied up properly, be sure to place at least one of each of the types of markers (bedroom, cell, wall and house) from the cell menu in the little box, and use the Place Torture Device spell to place at least one ZaZ furniture.

 

Let me know if you still have problems after that!

[EinarrTheRed]

The table dance works, tested that this morning (nice thing about the Elysium Estate, all the stuff on tables are static objects so nothing gets knocked over).

 

Still can't get the tie up option where you hang them up (Up you go, lets see how far you can stretch, etc.) to work.  Other than that so far everything else seems to be working as it should.

 

Haven't tested the quest line much in this test game.

[Musje]

The hanging bondage options require a Wall marker. Is there one near the slave?

[EinarrTheRed]

Didn't know it required a wall marker, tried that and it worked fine.

 

Have run into another problem.  I have two slaves whom I've had restrained for several days under PAHE so both submission and pose training for each is 100, sex training is 50ish for one and 65 for the other.  When I move them over to HSH management, their submission drops into the 70s, Pose for both drops to 1, and sex training drops down to 17 for one and 35 for the other.  I had saved before so I tried reloading and got the same results.  Next I tried reloading, left the cell and waited 1 hr then came back into the house with both PAHE slaves in tow and tried again, still got the same results.  I looks like their stats drop to the same numbers each time which seems strangely consistent to be a random bug.

 

Rithleen under PAHE

Submission 100

Respect 81

Pose 100

Sex 75

 

Rithleen under HSH

Submission 72

Respect 65

Pose 1

Sex 34

 

Tried several times and each time I reload and try moving her to HSH management her stats drop to the same amounts.  Not sure what is going wrong there.  Using PAHE 7.0 and the latest HSH,.  Even tried re-downloading HSH and copying it over to make sure nothing was corrupted.  Still got the same results and Rithleen's stats drop to exactly the same under HSH.

[Musje]

The problem seems to be that PAHE tracks slave stats in internal variables rather than factions. It's a known issue with Sex stats but I never saw it with the others, The factions are trued-up only every now & then. Some things you can try:

- Take the slave into a different zone first.

- Hit the slave

- Have sex with the slave

Then transfer to HSH

 

 

[EinarrTheRed]

Okay, reloaded and then got Rithleen and went outside the house.  First I gave her a bit of a whipping and then we has some sexy time in the garden.  Went back inside, checked her PAHE stats and everything was the same except Sex Training which was now 79.  Transferred her to HSH and her stats dropped again to what I listed in my previous post.

 

One thing I found peculiar, when my character had sex with Rithleen (still under PAHE) she reacted with shock and surprise, but with a Sex Training score of 75 that probably shouldn't have happened.  I'm wondering if for some reason what PAHE is displaying isn't what the stats actually are and when the get sent to HSH the real stats are being revealed.  Dunno, just guessing.  Quite odd.

 

EDIT:  Just as an experiment I took the two slaves with the "bugged" stats and transferred them to HSH, then back to PAHE.  Now back under PAHE I've got them in restraints and will leave them there until their submission and pose come back up to 100 then try HSH again to see what happens out of curiosity

[CliftonJD]

The slaver item shop should be 24/7 though Business never stops!

I'll run a few checks as well

i haven't paid enough attention to the time when i shopped there previously and the current version only sells if you choose to disable the quest so i got part way thru the quest before getting knee-deep into updates and eventually another overhaul of pahe

 

so far i havent had problems with newest version. only issue ive had is sometimes when u tie up a slave to equipment they get confused where it is but just talk to them and use the punished enough fixes that. if the slave shop closeing then its probaly another mod forceing him to close. i use immersive ai overhual and since it made for specific npc i know it woulldnt causse him to close shop.

 

also love the breeze home fix. so far no one running ooutside.

 

u might want to upload the breezehome fix to nexus on its own as i had that issue before i even used HSH. alot of people who might have the issue.

the last post about that bug you reported the troublesome mod to be you were previously using - that'd be the mod that needs to be stop modifying that door, basically that's what musje changed to fix breezehome

 

The problem seems to be that PAHE tracks slave stats in internal variables rather than factions. It's a known issue with Sex stats but I never saw it with the others, The factions are trued-up only every now & then. Some things you can try:

- Take the slave into a different zone first.

- Hit the slave

- Have sex with the slave

Then transfer to HSH

 

i found several bugs in the pose training variables that bla bla was using that could end up with the same issue as the sex training - basically he had it coded to use a pose faction along with all the behavior check factions that combat slaves and respect slaves use, But he never added any of those factions in

-my latest beta was coded to compensate for that, but it went south so i'll have to remember to send those factions out with the next update before the rebuild

Okay, reloaded and then got Rithleen and went outside the house.  First I gave her a bit of a whipping and then we has some sexy time in the garden.  Went back inside, checked her PAHE stats and everything was the same except Sex Training which was now 79.  Transferred her to HSH and her stats dropped again to what I listed in my previous post.

 

One thing I found peculiar, when my character had sex with Rithleen (still under PAHE) she reacted with shock and surprise, but with a Sex Training score of 75 that probably shouldn't have happened.  I'm wondering if for some reason what PAHE is displaying isn't what the stats actually are and when the get sent to HSH the real stats are being revealed.  Dunno, just guessing.  Quite odd.

 

EDIT:  Just as an experiment I took the two slaves with the "bugged" stats and transferred them to HSH, then back to PAHE.  Now back under PAHE I've got them in restraints and will leave them there until their submission and pose come back up to 100 then try HSH again to see what happens out of curiosity

the reaction to the sex is also long overdue for an update, i don't think they give a good reaction to any of the sex....see the provided screenshots for the reactions included with their conditions in the archive

[CliftonJD]

most shops have scheduled business hours in skyrim - only taverns have gotten around this and its plagued captured dreams shop since its conception

[Hambam9871]

I'm wondering how does the mod determine the time passed for the slave on slave training.

[Musje]

I'm wondering how does the mod determine the time passed for the slave on slave training.

 

It's based on in-game time. IIRC it checks twice a day how much time has actually passed since the last check (it's not necessarily half a day), and works out the gains. So your slaves will gain skills as you wait, travel or sleep, but the actual checks are not frequent; if you wait only a few hours, the gain may not show up in the roster.

[dudesim]

I wonder if it would be possible to get another cell house with 5 or 6 cells in it? thanks