Ok Beth.. it's April...

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

 

Skyrim is a fail for me, I could never play it as Vanilla game, Everything up to the dialogue sucks, also the dumbing down sucks ass.

 

Well it wasn't that bad. I think we can all safely say we have all played games with a lot worse dialogue. Let alone games as a whole which were just much worse

 

 

Yeah.. like Fallout 4.

 

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

 

 

I'm just wondering what the E3 2016 Showcase is all about, 2015 was there first ever E3 Showcase with FO4 and DOOM now their Showcasing again in June 2016. They aren't one's to showcase early that's for sure, so what's in the pipe and what exactly is worth a Showcase?.

 

The new Elder Scrolls maybe!

 

Or I've heard some speculation that it could be an announcement about an in between project in the Fallout universe, like Fallout New Vegas was for Fallout 3.

 

Only thing I can think of that hasn't had any mention of in a long ass time is Quake. I know people at the last E3 continually asked about it but as per usual it was purposely ignored. BGS finished FO4 and are doing the DLC's, id is doing DOOM, Arkane is doing Dishonored, Tango did The Evil Within, last thing Machine Games/Zenimax Sweden. did was Wolfenstein. Machine Gams or Tango might have something in the pipe but I doubt it would call for a showcase so no idea. although I wouldn't mind seeing another Quake Game DOOM isn't even out of the pipe yet unless they have another team.

 

 

Oh yeah!.. Quake! I remember that game, the first and last Quake I played was way back when the 360 was still a new console and I really liked it (this was way back before I had my computer). I was hoping they would have made more than one new Quake by now... Which begs the question, why haven't they made a new one yet?.. it's been freakin' years...

 

Never could beat that last boss though, not without invincibility cheats on. They made that fight WAY too hard on normal mode, with all kinds of enemies that constantly teleported in from portals that were indestructible, it was too much.. but I digress.

 

Yeah, when are we going to get a new Quake?

[Guest Vendayn]

I dunno. I think mods will make Fallout 4 a lot better, they are already helping a lot (at least for me). And, advanced mod tools aren't really even released yet

 

I greatly disliked vanilla Skyrim as well.  I thought it was really dumbed down compared to Oblivion, and I guess most people like Morrowind more than Oblivion...but I actually like Oblivion a lot more. Never been a fan of Morrowind, and I tried it before even Oblivion was a thing. And I actually like Daggerfall quite a lot, but that one is ancient and only recently (past year) have been playing it lol.

 

Skyrim with mods however? Vastly more epic, and makes the game better than Oblivion. I never bothered to mod Oblivion tbh, cause its vastly more annoying to mod than Skyrim. Skyrim modding is way superior, easier and far more user friendly...and doesn't take 1000 and 1 steps to start playing the game with an infinite amount of tools to use lol...slight exaggeration

 

So, once advanced Fallout 4 mods come out...it is likely to be a lot better than it is now. That is how Skyrim was, I never bothered to play it in vanilla...cause it kinda sucked to me lol. But mods made the game fully playable.

 

As for other fallouts. I actually liked fallout 3 a lot more than new vegas, I liked the world vastly more. new vegas felt too gamey in its world design, in having a set path to follow and too many invisible walls/cliffs and they designed the enemies in having an obvious linear path to go down (usually a circle around the map). Fallout 3 I could run anywhere and still do stuff. New vegas had a vastly better story (to me anyway) than fallout 3, but I play bethesda games for immersion and the world...not story

[Ernest Lemmingway]

If one of those mods totally rips out all of the story for FO4, I agree wholeheartedly. In the past the stories at least felt interwoven. This time it feels like it was tacked on after the fact and thus ruins everything else. Absolutely no story would be better than what they tried to pass off.

 

Bethesda is running out of time to release the GECK. They have until the beginning of May to fulfill the vague promise of "early-'16." It doesn't matter what Howard and/or Hines tweets or posts if they don't make it. We know they have a beta and by all common sense should have had it ready months ago. Why make computer gamers wait until they get their console platform ready? We're the ones who will be making mods so it just makes sense that we'd have the damn GECK beforehand.

[oniric1]

i dont think , the creation kit beta will be to long. the fallout 4 creation kit is pretty good and is not bullshit like the creation kit of skyrim in the first day.

[Aria]

 

Bethesda is running out of time to release the GECK. They have until the beginning of May to fulfill the vague promise of "early-'16." It doesn't matter what Howard and/or Hines tweets or posts if they don't make it. We know they have a beta and by all common sense should have had it ready months ago. Why make computer gamers wait until they get their console platform ready? We're the ones who will be making mods so it just makes sense that we'd have the damn GECK beforehand.

Werent they saying something about releasing the GECK after all the dlc are out or something like that? Cant remember where i read that but im pretty sure they were saying something about it.

Well considering that modders do a far better job then them, would make sense.

 

[Kaz Aanh]

See, and this is why it was just a stupid idea why Interplay sold the rights to Fallout to Bethesda.

 

You have to understand that Fallout 3 was a new game for many and it was our starting point. And when New Vegas came out, I felt cheated with FNV just as much as the Fallout 1/2/tactic fans were with FO3.

 

I'm not saying Fallout 1 or 2 are bad games. I can't because I never really could get into them. They are just too old for me and trying to play Fallout 1 I can't stand the controls for it and gave up. Anyways, this whole thing caused a conflict with those old fans and the fans from Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

 

This is why I specifically have said in the past that BSG can do what ever they want with it because they own the franchise now. If anyone is to blame, it's Interplay for selling the rights off to begin with.

 

And how F1 fans felt cheated with the F2 and later with the Tactics.

 

The cycle repeats, neverending wheel.

[Anbeegod]

 

And how F1 fans felt cheated with the F2 and later with the Tactics.

 

The cycle repeats, neverending wheel.

 

 

Yup, until we know Fallout 3 which is not even missed.

[windpl]

 

After reading through a bunch of lawsuits directed at Interplay and their own 2 bankruptcy's (I've been interested in what reason they'd have for doing a second E3 showcase) I found this. of course everything is nothing more then speculation.

"After several trials spanning almost three years, and in exchange for 2 million dollars, Interplay gave to Bethesda full rights for Fallout Online. 

Interplay's rights to sell and merchandise Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel expired on December 31, 2013."

Interesting little tidbit. Have they been working on FO:Online in secret? They went there with Elder Scrolls, why not Fallout. and they do tend to do things noone ever asked for. LOL

 

 

What for?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p6dmzHMBAo

 

http://www.fonline-reloaded.net/

[TheTraveler]

See, and this is why it was just a stupid idea why Interplay sold the rights to Fallout to Bethesda.

 

You have to understand that Fallout 3 was a new game for many and it was our starting point. And when New Vegas came out, I felt cheated with FNV just as much as the Fallout 1/2/tactic fans were with FO3.

 

I'm not saying Fallout 1 or 2 are bad games. I can't because I never really could get into them. They are just too old for me and trying to play Fallout 1 I can't stand the controls for it and gave up. Anyways, this whole thing caused a conflict with those old fans and the fans from Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

 

This is why I specifically have said in the past that BSG can do what ever they want with it because they own the franchise now. If anyone is to blame, it's Interplay for selling the rights off to begin with.

The rights would have been sold off eventually.  At least they went to a studio with some decent hits.  Too bad it went to Bethesda.

[Armyguy]

 

The rights would have been sold off eventually.  At least they went to a studio with some decent hits.  Too bad it went to Bethesda.

 

 

Well its not all bad if not Bethesda Ubisoft or Activision may have tryed to buy it.

 

[Darkening Demise]

 

 

 

Branding of Fallout not beth.

 

 

 

Nah, Beth earned their name for a reason. Don't let the failure of Fallout 4 wash away their previous achievements from your memory.

See, and this is why it was just a stupid idea why Interplay sold the rights to Fallout to Bethesda.

 

You have to understand that Fallout 3 was a new game for many and it was our starting point. And when New Vegas came out, I felt cheated with FNV just as much as the Fallout 1/2/tactic fans were with FO3.

 

I'm not saying Fallout 1 or 2 are bad games. I can't because I never really could get into them. They are just too old for me and trying to play Fallout 1 I can't stand the controls for it and gave up. Anyways, this whole thing caused a conflict with those old fans and the fans from Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

 

This is why I specifically have said in the past that BSG can do what ever they want with it because they own the franchise now. If anyone is to blame, it's Interplay for selling the rights off to begin with.

 

 

Interplay was in deep shit then, can't blame everything on them. Odds and chances led to this outcome.

 

 

Skyrim is a fail for me, I could never play it as Vanilla game, Everything up to the dialogue sucks, also the dumbing down sucks ass.

 

 

Failout 4 is no different.

 

[TheTraveler]

FO4 shuld have been called something else.  It is far from a FO game people were looking for.

[TheTraveler]

 

See, and this is why it was just a stupid idea why Interplay sold the rights to Fallout to Bethesda.

 

You have to understand that Fallout 3 was a new game for many and it was our starting point. And when New Vegas came out, I felt cheated with FNV just as much as the Fallout 1/2/tactic fans were with FO3.

 

I'm not saying Fallout 1 or 2 are bad games. I can't because I never really could get into them. They are just too old for me and trying to play Fallout 1 I can't stand the controls for it and gave up. Anyways, this whole thing caused a conflict with those old fans and the fans from Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

 

This is why I specifically have said in the past that BSG can do what ever they want with it because they own the franchise now. If anyone is to blame, it's Interplay for selling the rights off to begin with.

 

And how F1 fans felt cheated with the F2 and later with the Tactics.

 

The cycle repeats, neverending wheel.

 

 

The old studios were the best. Interplay, Black Isle.  I miss those guys.

[Anbeegod]

 

 

 

 

The old studios were the best. Interplay, Black Isle.  I miss those guys.

 

 

 

The old studios that still exist were the best.

 

And they aren't.

 

 

Money turns people from their original goal, to the sole pursue of wealth, fame and nothing more. Not the pity of a capitalist society, but the pity of the nature of humanity, which is greed.

 

 

 

 

But yeah, as someone above said it, Beth buying Fallout is a much better outcome for us than EA, Activision or Ubisoft buying it. We should be thankful that there ain't no Institute Power Armor DLC costing $10 or silly and short sequels coming out every year. Wasteland Workshop is a warning to us though.

[Wired]

 

Money turns people from their original goal, to the sole pursue of wealth, fame and nothing more. Not the pity of a capitalist society, but the pity of the nature of humanity, which is greed.

Wasn't first Fallout turned into an A class project by the Interplay to actually deliver this awesome game to the audience who might not exist being F1 still a side-project? Wasn't Fallout 2 a cash grab sequel that only purposed to close financial holes in Interplay (and sorta failed because sales were slightly less impressive than F1)? I don't remember much games series that were product of art. Maybe Ultima up until U7: Black Gate, Planescape Torment and Arcanum. Tho in the 2nd case I'm not sure.

You guys pay too much attention on cash grab side instead of quality of the product. 

[Anbeegod]

 

You guys pay too much attention on cash grab side instead of quality of the product. 

 

 

Because the purpose of cash grabbing is what worsens the quality of games. To make a game of good quality, the developers can't just focus on "how would we grab the most money", but instead, their main focus would be "how could we impress and make the game enjoyable". If you make a game just to grab money, without the spirit and heart, the game would definitely not be a masterpiece.

[Wired]

 

 

You guys pay too much attention on cash grab side instead of quality of the product. 

 

 

Because the purpose of cash grabbing is what worsens the quality of games. To make a game of good quality, the developers can't just focus on "how would we grab the most money", but instead, their main focus would be "how could we impress and make the game enjoyable". If you make a game just to grab money, without the spirit and heart, the game would definitely not be a masterpiece.

Nah, It's a grey zone, like I said, many Interplay games are in grey zone. The only constant thing is time for develop a game. When you've got like 10-15 months to finish a game even with a good starting point - the result may be very unsatisfying even if devs really pushed themselves to the limit.

 

can't we just make a Fallout 4 hate-trhead?

[DocClox]

here we go with the oh so useful term, Dumbing Down.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I much prefer the term "Stupiding Up"

 

Seriously though, do you not see a trend of getting more and more "lightweight" from one release to the next? I mean Skyrim had Unca Todd take out all those nasty scary numbers in case we hurt our pore lil'gamer brains by trying to think too hard. Fallout 4 helpfully gives us a backstory so we don't have to strain our tiny little imaginations, and adds player voice acting so we never get confused abut how we're supposed to feel.

 

I'm all for a better term than "dumbing down" but there doesn't seem to be much doubt that something of that nature is going on.

[Anbeegod]

 

Nah, It's a grey zone, like I said, many Interplay games are in grey zone. The only constant thing is time for develop a game. When you've got like 10-15 months to finish a game even with a good starting point - the result may be very unsatisfying even if devs really pushed themselves to the limit.

 

can't we just make a Fallout 4 hate-trhead?

 

 

 

Look, they limit the time because they want to finish the game as quickly as possible and make the money as soon as they can, then they can begin making the DLCs and sequel sooner and make the money earlier than it was supposed to be if they fully invest into the game, thus eventually, they'd earn more money.

 

The timing problem is caused by the monetary problem.

[Wired]

 

Look, they limit the time because they want to finish the game as quickly as possible and make the money as soon as they can, then they can begin making the DLCs and sequel sooner and make the money earlier than it was supposed to be if they fully invest into the game, thus eventually, they'd earn more money.

 

The timing problem is caused by the monetary problem.

 

Not in Fallout by Bethesda case. More like the game was completed way earlier but someone didn't liked it (too not bethesdy or simple?) and things went redone, several times. Everything in F4 is reeks of this problem. In Bethesda case, they just have TOO MUCH time, not NOT ENOUGH. 

 

Also, INTERPLAY WASN'T ANY SAINT. Interplay has mismanaged things and burn themselves. Spending time and money on shit like FO:BOS is not any better too.

[Anbeegod]

 

Not in Fallout by Bethesda case. More like the game was completed way earlier but someone didn't liked it (too not bethesdy or simple?) and things went redone, several times. Everything in F4 is reeks of this problem. In Bethesda case, they just have TOO MUCH time, not NOT ENOUGH. 

 

 

Also, INTERPLAY WASN'T ANY SAINT. Interplay has mismanaged things and burn themselves.

 

 

No one's saying interplay is saint, but it just happens to have made actual Fallouts, while Beth is only making a post-apocalypse FPS using Fallout's background.

[Wired]

 

 

Not in Fallout by Bethesda case. More like the game was completed way earlier but someone didn't liked it (too not bethesdy or simple?) and things went redone, several times. Everything in F4 is reeks of this problem. In Bethesda case, they just have TOO MUCH time, not NOT ENOUGH. 

 

 

Also, INTERPLAY WASN'T ANY SAINT. Interplay has mismanaged things and burn themselves.

 

 

No one's saying interplay is saint, but it just happens to have made actual Fallouts, while Beth is only making a post-apocalypse FPS using Fallout's background.

 

Or New Vegas (at least they published a good game). And New Vegas actually got more love from loverslab than F3.

[Anbeegod]

 

Or New Vegas (at least they published a good game). And New Vegas actually got more love from loverslab than F3.

 

 

 

Because NV is (slightly) more advanced in terms of system and graphics than F3, plus, we have TTW so we don't even need to run F3's exe to play it.

 

NV is published by Beth Soft and made by Obsidian though.

[Wired]

 

 

Or New Vegas (at least they published a good game). And New Vegas actually got more love from loverslab than F3.

 

 

 

Because NV is (slightly) more advanced in terms of system and graphics than F3, plus, we have TTW so we don't even need to run F3's exe to play it.

 

NV is published by Beth Soft and made by Obsidian though.

 

Better than Interplay developed and released Fallout: PoS. Fallout 4 tries too hard to reach the botton F:BOS already reached though. But still far from it.