Anbeegod Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Both the empire and the Stormcloaks suffered huge loss in the CW, but the empire has 1. more money (the economy of Skyrim relies on the empire for a great deal, according to Balgruuf, one of the only witted Jarls; without imperial import, Skyrim will starve, and the nobles will have less or even no luxury; with the nobles' luxury "stripped", you can expect another dark time in Skyrim politics. lose-lose.) 2. more and better quality resources (Skyrim is mostly covered by snow, agriculture is not as good as Cyrodiil; as Balgruuf said, Skyrim relies on Cyrodiilic imports to a large extent; the only resource that Skyrim is rich in is its mine) 3. greater manpower (population of Cyrodiil and High Rock combined is higher than Skyrim) 4. more and better magic users (Bretons are born to be magic users, and Breton's homeland High Rock is still part of the empire; Skyrim only has the College of Winterhold which has only a handful of mages who aren't even the top ones; also, Skyrim Nords generally don't treasure magic) 5. a more cosmopolitan society, talents from different races can be found in Cyrodiil (whereas Skyrim is >70% Nords who are usually only good at melee combat, and the Stormcloaks generally dislike the other races, making its rank >95% Nord) Also, the CW occurred in Skyrim, not Cyrodiil or High Rock. It causes damage to the empire's power, but not Cyrodiil itself (not directly); whereas, Skyrim is completely screwed in the war. The only disadvantage of the empire, compared to Skyrim, is its politics. It faces corruption and political instability in both Cyrodiil and High Rock, as well as the powerplay between the emperor and the Elder Council, and also pressure from AD. The post-CW Skyrim Jarls are all loyal to Ulfric at the moment, but time will show their hunger for power, if Ulfric cannot control his liege lords. Corruption in Skyrim isn't very much better than Cyrodiil either, because every single guard can be bribed in front of everyone, and then there's Markarth and Riften. The Stormcloaks stand no chance against the full might of the empire, nor are they the best choice for the welfare and safety of the common people. Unless the political feuds of the imperials get the entire empire first, the people of Skyrim would beg the emperor to send reinforcement to Skyrim when they begin to realize what the Stormcloaks can bring them are poverty and fake freedom. There's no "freedom" when you can't even sustain your good life. Talos is only an excuse for Ulfric to gain power. Does he actually care about his god and his people? Gods know. Is it worth thousands of casualties, destruction of the economy and deaths of innocent commoners just to win the right to worship someone who doesn't even affect the people's lives in any practical way? You will answer the question.
Cock Sucker Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 The start of the game usually makes me side with stormcloaks, plus to get revenge on that captain! Have on occasion tried imperial route though, shame u can't do peace route via storms
GimmeBACON Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Ulfric Stormcloak doesn't know what he's doing. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing. Real talk I'm a man of the people and that + fact that Viking & nordic lore is cool as shit makes Stormcloaks the only faction for me. I dunno how many hours I have in Skyrim but not once have I done the Imperial questline. If TESVI comes out and the Imperials are the defending force vs. a xenophobic intrusion team made up of Elf Hitlers and puppet weaklings then I'll be Imperial no questions asked. I know the long game requires a Imperial victory, but I don't wanna; slaughter a good 50% of the Nord population, prevent worship of one of the main 9 divines, disrupt all Nord cultural ways, enable insidious war crimes, kidnapping & worse etc just to have some vague chance at defeating Elf Hitler in some distant future. Dying with honor is better than living on the leash bro I always sided with Stormcloaks. For the simple reason fighting for your freedom. The fact that Imperials bend their knee to the Aldmeri Dominion makes them weak. No pride. Even if losing the battle. A few times I've tried to side with Imperials but I end up regretting that decision. My thoughts exactly. Any country that willingly let's foreigners break into their peoples homes and kidnap, torture, kill, or worse, their own people... No. the Empire are scum whom whored out their own government. If people can bitch at the "nazi" stormcloaks, whilst ignoring the fact that the Thalmor are acting historically like the Gestapo and the empire bent knee to them...
xTrogdorx Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Also storm cloak allows female in the army imperials don't. Ummm not sure where you picked that up. Just to name one example off the top of my head, Legate Rikke. The lower ranks contain no females rikke was just there because of rebelian she walked over. there is no females beside rikke in the entire imperial army. Not true. First of all, one does not just "walk over" to a high ranking military position. She would have had to have risen through the ranks like anyone else. Also, we know from her backstory http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Legate_Rikke "She personally knows the key players of the rebellion, Ulfric Stormcloak and Galmar Stone-Fist, as they were once friends and fought side by side in the Imperial Legion during The Great War." Further, there's Dawnstar's court wizard Madena, Madena reveals that she is a veteran of the Great War between the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion and recounts what she witnessed. She became horrified by the use of her spells during a battle, which killed every Thalmor soldier in the fight, and she vowed to never use destructive magic again. However, if attacked, she will break that vow.When asked if she is the court wizard she will say "If you can call it that. The Jarl can make all the demands in the world, I'm not setting one foot on the battlefield. I cut enough lives short in the Great War. I'm not going to do it again."
D_ManXX2 Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Then why civil war not showing any females in imperial army when fighting on the storm cloak sides ?? I am not going to fight you. this point less. and is getting off topic.
Varithina Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Then why civil war not showing any females in imperial army when fighting on the storm cloak sides ?? I am not going to fight you. this point less. and is getting off topic. That's somewhat odd as I see female Imperial soldiers in their camps and patrols, not too many but the odd one or two, do not forget the npc's are randomly generated, so one camp may be all male now but after the cell reset it may well have female soldiers in it same with the stormcloaks. Or at least have seen the camp and patrols change members change gender. And as far as I am aware there is not official lore about the Imperials not allowing female soldiers, it may just be the way it has fallen in skyrim, that the legions there are all male, or it may simply be that the empire has decided that less female imperial troops getting raped/killed is better, so has not sent many into the combat areas, do not forget most of the support troops for any army seem to be very much missing. It also from comments seems to imply that the imperial legions in skyrim are under strength, and not fully equipped, considering the war the the elves, that is a possible reason for so few female soldiers as well. There again I tend to find the cities and towns in skyrim to be far too small for what they should be, if you can get it running take a look at some of the major cities in the games arena and daggerfall in comparison, they are huge with what seems to be thousands of npc, of course that is a graphics/game engine problem in the fact that more npc's means more strain on resources. And to keep it at least semi on topic, I tend to go imperial with the rampant and open bigotry from the nords, it does not make sense for anybody but nords to support them, as I would not trust the stormcloaks to cover my back in combat unless I was a nord, as they would help other nords first then anybody else on there side, and forget that if you are one of the elven races. If however I play nord then it tends to be 50/50 if I go stormcloak or imperial.
Guest Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 In Morrowind the legion had female legionaries, so I think its just bethesda lazy again .
Kaz Aanh Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 That's somewhat odd as I see female Imperial soldiers in their camps and patrols, not too many but the odd one or two, do not forget the npc's are randomly generated, so one camp may be all male now but after the cell reset it may well have female soldiers in it same with the stormcloaks. Or at least have seen the camp and patrols change members change gender. In the ancient Roman empire women were mostly in the home taking care of the childrens when men were fighting in the legion. They were often underage and very young so I don't think it would be a wise idea to arm a 16yo girl and let her fight. They also were marrying "pure" women because it was embarrassing to the men when women had a sexual history in the past, also applies to the rape and it was very common in the ancient times. So imagine if a woman enlisted into the legion , they lost and she was raped afterwards? No roman male would even marry her. High ranking females had more power ofc, but they were usually wifes of high ranking generals and politicians. Low-ranking females took the job on the markets , farm stuff ( agriculture ), nurses etc.Later they were a lot of females becoming vestals. Or prostitution, but they were easily distinguishable by clothes type. TES lore is a huge complex clusterfuck, and it looks like Bethesda is : unable to include in the game everything that writers/loremasters do or they are just too lazy to add more immersion to the game. Why even bother if modders will fix it for free. In Morrowind the legion had female legionaries, so I think its just bethesda lazy again . In the Vvardenfell they enlisted and recruited everyone, even local dunmers. Gninis was especially under-stuffed so they needed everyone.
xTrogdorx Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 MXR just reviewed a mod that explores what might happen if Ulfric wins: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72817/?
Chaos63 Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Stormcloak reporting in. You try to cut my head off, I kill your whole army.
Lyreal Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Imperials. I also find that Talos is no god, nor god-like, so there is no reason to call him a god. Also is the capital from the stormcloaks in Windhelm, I love the cold but hate the snow and much more Heimskr. The stormcloaks can believe on what they want and live how they want, but have to stop to call him a god. Even the Deadra have more of a gods than he.
Guest Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Stormloacks don't have a sexy legate Rikke... had a good time with her when joining Imperials
Kinky Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 I always choose stormcloaks. Its unnatural to me to side with someone who tried to make me shorter by a head for no reason at all (not on the list) then say whops sorry we were wrong fight on our side. About racism for elves - no one loves them, Imperials are only pretending that they can stand them and work for them. No one likes their boss unless boss is amazing and in Skyrim's case boss is dictator. In same manner its no different that nords dont like other races much since khajiits are famous for being theives, other races are magic users and we know how winterhold affected peoples opinion about magic. They just want normal life. Even bretons dont like elves and its shown in a quest with Saadia. And about strength stormcloaks vs imperials they are pretty evenly matched. You can find in every town supporters of each group. Even after fights most civilians are left alive its only about grabbing leading positions in each town to have things go your way. What ever side wins they still have enough strength to fight elves but imperials dont want to do that so stromcloaks get another point from me. As i mentioned they are not alone vs elves. Their unwillingness to fight is what is keeping them slaves in their own country. Also number of soldiers is not the only advantage one can have in a war. Skyrim's harsh environment is making it difficult to be conquered. That also explains the fact that Windhelm is not just crushed after Ulfric went there. Instead he has time to organize and lead the war from there.
Guest Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 If the stormcloaks had different leader then I considered to help them . Edit: He is smarter than a average nord . But still power hungry figure who's not care about beyond himself .
D_ManXX2 Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Stormloacks don't have a sexy legate Rikke... had a good time with her when joining Imperials protection_by_amnis406-d66n88y.jpg She won't look that pretty after a mod like defeat and full blown storm cloak Army .. I think in some of my previous games i had captured her with mod from paradise halls. After i crushed the imperial Army, Tulius ran away crying for his mother. And left rikke to fend for herself.
Anbeegod Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 People still confuse elves with the Thalmor. smh Stereotype. A great lot of Nords are racists already, and on top of them all, we have the Stormcloaks. If you are sensible and can see reason, the Stormcloaks can bring nothing more than troubles to the Skyrim people. Purging imperial control over Skyrim so that the Nords will no longer be enslaved by the Thalmor - last I check, there are no human slaves under Thalmor enslavement in Skyrim. With the legion gone, however, what the rebels kept yelling might finally come true. Let's make it simple. The Stormcloaks have won, and the Thalmor Embassy is still there, intact, with Thalmor Justicars escorting Talos worshipers. Dig? The Stormcloaks, ultimately, have done nothing as they promised. First of the two reason is Beth's shitty writing and poor story handling, second is that Ulfric Stormcloak is only another power hungry man who fundamentally doesn't care about anything but himself. Don't get me wrong. I have no love for the emperor either. The best option for the player and all of Tamriel is the Dragonborn defeating and conscripting the Stormcloaks, ending the Medes, and undoing the Aldmeri Dominion, and thus forge the forth empire as its emperor/empress. Earn the confidence and allegiance of Hammerfell back and sign treaties with An-Xileel (because attempting to defeat An-Xileel in their home base is suicide). Neither the Medes or any of the Skyrim Jarls including Ulfric Stormcloak would do good to Tamriel, and we can't let Fascism win. The Dragonborn is the only choice for Tamriel.
GimmeBACON Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 @Anbeegod: A great lot of Nords are racists already, and on top of them all, we have the Stormcloaks. If you are sensible and can see reason, the Stormcloaks can bring nothing more than troubles to the Skyrim people. Xenophobia=/=Racism, and seeing as how Bethesda never created an aftermath of the war, your opinion that they'd make Skyrim worse is just that, an opinion. Purging imperial control over Skyrim so that the Nords will no longer be enslaved by the Thalmor - last I check, there are no human slaves under Thalmor enslavement in Skyrim. With the legion gone, however, what the rebels kept yelling might finally come true. "Agents of the high elven Aldmeri Dominion are known as Thalmor. They maintain an embassy in Skyrim, and have been known to secretly capture and imprison any Nords who question their doctrines or beliefs." Not outright enslavement yet, but, if this was happening to your friends and family,, wouldn't you fear it as the next step? Let's make it simple. The Stormcloaks have won, and the Thalmor Embassy is still there, intact, with Thalmor Justicars escorting Talos worshipers. Dig? The Stormcloaks, ultimately, have done nothing as they promised. First of the two reason is Beth's shitty writing and poor story handling, second is that Ulfric Stormcloak is only another power hungry man who fundamentally doesn't care about anything but himself. "Whenever a group of marauders attack a Nord village, Ulfric is the first to sound the horn and send the men. But a group of Dark Elf refugees gets ambushed? A group of Argonians, or a Khajiit caravan? No troops. No investigation. Nothing. There's a group of cutthroats out there right now that Ulfric doesn't lift a finger to bring to justice, as long as they don't threaten Nord land."http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Brunwulf_Free-Winter Ulfric reacts if his people are threatened as far as the game tells us. You got it right on the first guess, blame Bethesda. If they did put it in that after Ulfric won, that he just went and allowed the Thalmor or bandits to just do as they pleased, then you'd be right, but again, you're speculating with a bias. Don't get me wrong. I have no love for the emperor either. The best option for the player and all of Tamriel is the Dragonborn defeating and conscripting the Stormcloaks, ending the Medes, and undoing the Aldmeri Dominion, and thus forge the forth empire as its emperor/empress. Earn the confidence and allegiance of Hammerfell back and sign treaties with An-Xileel (because attempting to defeat An-Xileel in their home base is suicide). Neither the Medes or any of the Skyrim Jarls including Ulfric Stormcloak would do good to Tamriel, and we can't let Fascism win. The Dragonborn is the only choice for Tamriel. In principle I agree, but, that would have to be the canon path that Bethesda decides, and not what our head-canon dictates.
Captain Cobra Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 (because attempting to defeat An-Xileel in their home base is suicide). Not if the Dragonborn is Argonian.
Chaos63 Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 I bet nobody would bitch about Ulfric if he was a redguard...
gallowLeigh Posted April 4, 2016 Posted April 4, 2016 Imperials. I'm not fan of the elves but the Stormcloaks are a shitty organization. Also they're racist against the dunmer.
GodSmack Posted April 4, 2016 Posted April 4, 2016 If they werent extremely racist i would side with the storm cloaks, otherwise im unfortunately on the imperials side here. I honestly dont agree with either side, one is racist/doesnt like immigrants and the other is basically against a certain religion/bent over by the Thalmor and forced to take it, both sides are foolish but the imperials are less foolish, slightly Ulfric and Elsif and the imperial leader are all in my dungeon anyway
spoonsinger Posted April 4, 2016 Posted April 4, 2016 Stormcloaks. remove lembas Imperials. Imperials have no overt opinion about pointy eared magically flavored raisin filled bread.
Guest ffabris Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 When I first played Skyrim, I did the Imperial line. On my second playthrough, I did Stormcloak, to see the difference. Since then I've always played Stormcloak. Why? Cuz I love Ralof's dialog. "I killed more soldiers than you did. I know. I counted." Makes me laugh every time. Plus AFAIK, he's the only one who asks how you are. Such a simple thing, something we all do daily, and yet it seems no other character in the game ever does it. So yeah. Silly reason maybe, but hey.
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