meme supreme Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Yep, exactly. From the comments there: Quote Mods like these are an insult to modding, to respect of women, and only legitimize sexist and violent behavior. The only real rapist here is the author of this mod, and besides you are his worthy accomplice. And I've seen just as outrageously pathetic bullshit posted here at LL and no one says anything about it and the staff ignores it. These types are already here and they contribute nothing but Off Topic posts. *shrugs* DILLIGAF? Not really, just pointing something out that isn't going away. I never really understood why fantasy rape or whatever legitimized real rape. Did these people just never get to that stage of childhood development where you draw a line between media & real life? This shit just never made sense to me. By looking at it yes, I do support it, but only in this particular context and only in a environment completely and utterly detached from real life. It's still a heinous fucking crime IRL and I'll treat it that way but here... it'd be like me barging into your bedroom while you're playing out a rape fantasy with your GF and telling you how wrong and morally bankrupt you are for having fetishes. also ps: with the right setup you can rape dudes as a chick. Veri direspectful to men !!
GrimReaper Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 It's not like the current population of LL is able to play according to the very lenient and easy to understand rules. I don't think an influx of new people would make it that much worse, if anything they would fit right in. Whatever you want or don't want LL to be, it's not your call to make. If you want your very own safe space where no one with a different opinion can bother you, make a goddamn tumblr page.
LordJerle Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 *spouts hate speech and pointless political ramblings* Like the comments here? Mango Follower. Dude, that's o.o... I need to fix my skyrim bodies.
xTrogdorx Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 As Lover's Lab becomes more popular this will only increase and I doubt there's any way to stop it. ONE way to stop it might be to remove the forum sections these types of people use as vehicles for socializing. Remove the off topic threads have no social media type sections whatsoever. Make the site exclusive to games and gaming and that's it in totality. If there aren't sections where people can foist agendas and fuck things up for everyone else they'll move on and take their internet ignorance elsewhere. Or they might just start posting in the forum sections that remain, creating a bunch of clutter for our users and a bunch more work for our moderators. >_>
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Wow so much hate in this thread.. You blame someone because they're hurt by rape fantasy? Keep in mind that everyone has different sensibilities to things for various reasons (personnal history, background, education etc). Sorry but I don't think it's abnormal to be offended by extreme sexual content (rape, sexual slavery ...), and people reacting to this don't deserve all the hate some of you throw at them. I'm sure we all have a subject where we are intolerant and criticize peoples for their personal likings.
GrimReaper Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Wow so much hate in this thread.. You blame someone because they're hurt by rape fantasy? Keep in mind that everyone has different sensibilities to things for various reasons (personnal history, background, education etc). Sorry but I don't think it's abnormal to be offended by extreme sexual content (rape, sexual slavery ...), and people reacting to this don't deserve all the hate some of you throw at them. I'm sure we all have a subject where we are intolerant and criticize peoples for their personal likings. You should've seen all the people being mad about loli mods. But I'm pretty sure someone will come along and try to explain why this was totally different. I mean, sexually abusing a fictional videogame character is entirely different from sexually abusing a fictional videogame character, dude.
Morrows Posted February 23, 2016 Author Posted February 23, 2016 Wow so much hate in this thread.. You blame someone because they're hurt by rape fantasy? Keep in mind that everyone has different sensibilities to things for various reasons (personnal history, background, education etc). Sorry but I don't think it's abnormal to be offended by extreme sexual content (rape, sexual slavery ...), and people reacting to this don't deserve all the hate some of you throw at them. I'm sure we all have a subject where we are intolerant and criticize peoples for their personal likings. You should've seen all the people being mad about loli mods. But I'm pretty sure someone will come along and try to explain why this was totally different. I mean, sexually abusing a fictional videogame character is entirely different from sexually abusing a fictional videogame character, dude. It would seem like moral(lol) crusaders who want to feel better about themselves will always exist, at least in our lifetime. it's a fucking shame.
Kendo 2 Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Wow so much hate in this thread.. You blame someone because they're hurt by rape fantasy? Keep in mind that everyone has different sensibilities to things for various reasons (personnal history, background, education etc). Sorry but I don't think it's abnormal to be offended by extreme sexual content (rape, sexual slavery ...), and people reacting to this don't deserve all the hate some of you throw at them. I'm sure we all have a subject where we are intolerant and criticize peoples for their personal likings. No one is blaming. If someone is 'hurt by rape fantasy' then they should not subject themselves to game forums, mods, manga, anime, art, literature or any other medium that uses it as artistic license. Furthermore, they shouldn't try to dictate to or chastise those who consider that subject matter a form of artistic expression. If any one group of people is intolerant it is 3rd wave feminists and SJWs. If the content on LL is so damaging and emotionally inflammatory then those who are offended by it should NOT BE HERE. There are other forums where they will not be subjected to 'the trauma' of seeing CGI cartoons do all sorts of perverted things. Those forums are where they need to be; not here. If they are here, then they're either hypocrites (lots of SWJ liberal hypocrites here already) or they have an agenda. Why would a true SJW feminist register here? They wouldn't unless they wanted to change things, 'educate' us, censor the content and basically fuck it up for everyone because that's what they do. Every time I see a post here at LL that promotes SJW bullshit I always think to myself 'If you don't like it here, LEAVE.' But that's not what happens. They stay and post their insufferable spew and play make-believe while they download their hard core porn mods.
Buddy Christ Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Fuck me.... I have to agree with Kendo 2 But you chose your poison. If you know a site is "bad" and you visit it, then the only one to blame is.... YOU, you two faced hypocrite mo-fo.
Morrows Posted February 23, 2016 Author Posted February 23, 2016 Wow so much hate in this thread.. You blame someone because they're hurt by rape fantasy? Keep in mind that everyone has different sensibilities to things for various reasons (personnal history, background, education etc). Sorry but I don't think it's abnormal to be offended by extreme sexual content (rape, sexual slavery ...), and people reacting to this don't deserve all the hate some of you throw at them. I'm sure we all have a subject where we are intolerant and criticize peoples for their personal likings. No one is blaming. If someone is 'hurt by rape fantasy' then they should not subject themselves to game forums, mods, manga, anime, art, literature or anything other medium that uses it as artistic license. Furthermore, they shouldn't try to dictate to or chastise those who consider that subject matter a form of artistic expression. If any one group of people are intolerant it is 3rd wave feminists and SJWs. If the content on LL is so damaging and emotionally inflammatory then those who are offended by it should NOT BE HERE. There are other forums where they will not be subjected to 'the trauma' of seeing CGI cartoons do all sorts of perverted things. Those forums are where they need to be; not here. If they are here, then they're either hypocrites (lots of SWJ liberal hypocrites here already) or they have an agenda. Why would a true SJW feminist register here? They wouldn't unless they wanted to change things, 'educate' us, censor the content and basically fuck it up for everyone because that's what they do. Every time I see a post here at LL that promotes SJW bullshit I always think to myself 'If you don't like it here, LEAVE.' But that's not what happens. They stay and post their insufferable spew and play make-believe while they download their hard core porn mods. Fuck me.... I have to agree with Kendo 2 But you chose your poison. If you know a site is "bad" and you visit it, then the only one to blame is.... YOU, you two faced hypocrite mo-fo. Wholeheartedly agree, it really is a shame how some people want to stop something that literally will never hurt anybody just because they can't handle their own fee fee's
Kendo 2 Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 You should've seen all the people being mad about loli mods. But I'm pretty sure someone will come along and try to explain why this was totally different. I mean, sexually abusing a fictional videogame character is entirely different from sexually abusing a fictional videogame character, dude. Rule #13, dude.
Guest Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Wow so much hate in this thread.. You blame someone because they're hurt by rape fantasy? Keep in mind that everyone has different sensibilities to things for various reasons (personnal history, background, education etc). Sorry but I don't think it's abnormal to be offended by extreme sexual content (rape, sexual slavery ...), and people reacting to this don't deserve all the hate some of you throw at them. I'm sure we all have a subject where we are intolerant and criticize peoples for their personal likings. If the content on LL is so damaging and emotionally inflammatory then those who are offended by it should NOT BE HERE. There are other forums where they will not be subjected to 'the trauma' of seeing CGI cartoons do all sorts of perverted things. Those forums are where they need to be; not here. If they are here, then they're either hypocrites (lots of SWJ liberal hypocrites here already) or they have an agenda. Why would a true SJW feminist register here? They wouldn't unless they wanted to change things, 'educate' us, censor the content and basically fuck it up for everyone because that's what they do. Every time I see a post here at LL that promotes SJW bullshit I always think to myself 'If you don't like it here, LEAVE.' But that's not what happens. They stay and post their insufferable spew and play make-believe while they download their hard core porn mods. I agree with this, LL is a very "specialized" forum and thus extreme content belongs here and no one has the right to say anything against it, if they don't like they leave. BUT: nexus and steam are no such forum, they are much more family friendly and that's their own right, we can't blame them for not accepting extreme content and/or linking to extreme content (which has be made a lot in this thread). And we can't blame their users to react badly to this content (as example the reactions to the sexually abused follower MangoFollower).
RitualClarity Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 You should've seen all the people being mad about loli mods. But I'm pretty sure someone will come along and try to explain why this was totally different. I mean, sexually abusing a fictional videogame character is entirely different from sexually abusing a fictional videogame character, dude. Rule #13, dude. YEP... There is no explaining. There is no loll content in any form.. end of "discussion". It has been "discussed" in depth and decided it isn't allowed on this site. Anyone that doesn't like it is welcome to create their own site and host all the loli content their hearts desire. Seriously we have plenty of perversions for people to explore here. Nothing else is taboo from fucking dogs to dragons, farm animals to footjobs, all is allowed. We have mods to animate vaginas and boners and the one thing people have to bring up and complain about is the restriction on loli content. Really?
meme supreme Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 YEP... There is no explaining. There is no loll content in any form.. end of "discussion". It has been "discussed" in depth and decided it isn't allowed on this site. Anyone that doesn't like it is welcome to create their own site and host all the loli content their hearts desire. Seriously we have plenty of perversions for people to explore here. Nothing else is taboo from fucking dogs to dragons, farm animals to footjobs, all is allowed. We have mods to animate vaginas and boners and the one thing people have to bring up and complain about is the restriction on loli content. Really? I'm not really gonna make a big deal out of anyone liking loli content because hey, whatever, none of my business. What I am gonna make a big deal of is this guy trying to equalize it with just regular ass rape fantasies; this is a very legitimate black area. With rape fantasies in a fantasy setting you can justify it to such an extreme that it wouldn't even be rape anymore; as far as sexual fantasies are concerned it's the grayest area there is, but with children in any kind of sexual context it's immediately and absolutely reprehensible
RitualClarity Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Come, come, I thought we didn't care about any of this? I don't. I am fine with sites restricting / banning for links to LL. I don't believe they are harming us one bit. IN fact they might be helping us in the long run
RitualClarity Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 YEP... There is no explaining. There is no loll content in any form.. end of "discussion". It has been "discussed" in depth and decided it isn't allowed on this site. Anyone that doesn't like it is welcome to create their own site and host all the loli content their hearts desire. Seriously we have plenty of perversions for people to explore here. Nothing else is taboo from fucking dogs to dragons, farm animals to footjobs, all is allowed. We have mods to animate vaginas and boners and the one thing people have to bring up and complain about is the restriction on loli content. Really? I'm not really gonna make a big deal out of anyone liking loli content because hey, whatever, none of my business. What I am gonna make a big deal of is this guy trying to equalize it with just regular ass rape fantasies; this is a very legitimate black area. With rape fantasies in a fantasy setting you can justify it to such an extreme that it wouldn't even be rape anymore; as far as sexual fantasies are concerned it's the grayest area there is, but with children in any kind of sexual context it's immediately and absolutely reprehensible Yes. and one of the main reasons for it to be forbidden. Yet .. again, and again, and again, and again, people keep on trying to "explain" why ... Um... most here know the real reason "WHY" they keep on trying to explain their views on Loli content. It isn't going to work.
GrimReaper Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 I'm not really gonna make a big deal out of anyone liking loli content because hey, whatever, none of my business. What I am gonna make a big deal of is this guy trying to equalize it with just regular ass rape fantasies; this is a very legitimate black area. With rape fantasies in a fantasy setting you can justify it to such an extreme that it wouldn't even be rape anymore; as far as sexual fantasies are concerned it's the grayest area there is, but with children in any kind of sexual context it's immediately and absolutely reprehensible All the arguments you can bring up to condemn loli shit can be used to work for any other topic that is subject to moral standards is what I am saying. I am not advocating for or against anything, but justifying rape by saying 'oh it's all pixels and fantasy' is something you can do to justify anything with in a fucking video game because none of it is real. Rule 13 was decided upon just about 2 years ago. And that was mostly because of legal concern, loli mods were heavily restricted anyway since the beginning. Despite what ritualclarity above me claims, the 'reprehensible nature' of this topic is NOT one of the main reasons, far from it. This is the earliest post I could find about this issue: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/1448-official-apologies/?p=32237 If you start banning content because you find it immoral, dangerous or 'reprehensible', you are on a slippery slope that goes downhill really fast. Edit: Just to clarify again, I am not arguing against Rule 13 and I don't want to see it gone, because the reasoning behind it is perfectly understandable. What I was and am arguing against is the people that used their moral standards as an argument.
Kendo 2 Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 @ ritualclarity 3rd wave feminists and SJWs would love to see this site shut down because the only complaint they have is they don't agree with the content. They're dictating morality and the whole basis for their ignorant bullshit is that violence against women in video games is demeaning/denigrating/dangerous/etc. This attitude is starting to make its way here to LL and nothing is being done about it. There are already hypocrites here who will slam and flame so they can get threads locked they don't agree with. There isn't a slippery slope at Nexus or Steam. Those sites crumpled at the bottom of the hill a long time ago because that's what politically correct stupidity does to everything it touches. And that mindset is slowly creeping into Lover's Lab like a malignant tumor. It isn't a slippery slope; its a fatal case of cancer. As LL draws more people the situation will only get worse. I wish Steam and Nexus would blacklist LL permanently and get us off the fanboy radar. loli/pedo content...*bleargh* Children are annoying.
afa Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 It is quite interesting seeing all this as compare to ~15 years ago when video games cultures were fighting tooth and nail against the "public" about how the violence in games is ok, about how sexuality is ok (that damn everquest cover lol), when everyone was demanding more mature and adult orientated games because the audience is growing up as well. Waving the game is art flag and all that freedom of expression jazz. Now we are at a point where backlashes are coming from within the culture itself about how the very thing that was fought to protect and achieve is now the thing that needs to be tone down with the message of respecting the maturity of the medium.
GrimReaper Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 It is quite interesting seeing all this as compare to ~15 years ago when video games cultures were fighting tooth and nail against the "public" about how the violence in games is ok, about how sexuality is ok (that damn everquest cover lol), when everyone was demanding more mature and adult orientated games because the audience is growing up as well. Waving the game is art flag and all that freedom of expression jazz. Now we are at a point where backlashes are coming from within the culture itself about how the very thing that was fought to protect and achieve is now the thing that needs to be tone down with the message of respecting the maturity of the medium. But that's a sign that games actually arrived there where people wanted them 15 years ago. If a medium wants to be taken serious it will be subject to the mainstream which includes criticism from anywhere and anybody. The movie industry has been exposed to decades of criticism, the more extreme cases claiming that movies make you stupid and violent and so on. There's also people with certain alignments and agendas that provide critique for almost every movie that comes out, yet you still have your over-the-top violent action movies filled with boobies, guns and gore. Some random blogger saying that this or that game is evil because it promotes x isn't as powerful as you think. Even Fox News trying to tell everybody that Mass Effect will make your children horny and gay had no lasting impact on the games Bioware makes. They still have their boring sex scenes, silly romances and the option for the player to have a same-sex relationship. I think people back then simply did not know what they wished for. Things change when you finally reach your spot in the spotlight.
Chaos63 Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 I'm not really gonna make a big deal out of anyone liking loli content because hey, whatever, none of my business. What I am gonna make a big deal of is this guy trying to equalize it with just regular ass rape fantasies; this is a very legitimate black area. With rape fantasies in a fantasy setting you can justify it to such an extreme that it wouldn't even be rape anymore; as far as sexual fantasies are concerned it's the grayest area there is, but with children in any kind of sexual context it's immediately and absolutely reprehensible Meh, I know at least two places where you can get loli stuff for Skyrim. It's literally a google search and a couple of clicks away. Anybody who argues against rule 13 is not doing it because of practicality, that's all I'm gonna say.
PsychoMachina Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Can anyone provide a reasonable, hopefully logical, explanation as to why people who feel the need to justify their fetish(es), no matter how benign or shockingly extreme, will use lolicon as some kind of litmus for what they believe is acceptable in a virtual world. Are not the initial reasons (if not about loli) strong enough reasons?
theotherperson982 Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 complaint department two doors down on the left insert tag tied to a grenade pin joke here? just hide behind the dark humor should get them to go away soon enough. either way no matter the decade century ect. both sides will always have extremes or at least forced to live with a man hating feminist for 18 years has taught me lmao the fun arguments I had good times.
GrimReaper Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Can anyone provide a reasonable, hopefully logical, explanation as to why people who feel the need to justify their fetish(es), no matter how benign or shockingly extreme, will use lolicon as some kind of litmus for what they believe is acceptable in a virtual world. Are not the initial reasons (if not about loli) strong enough reasons? People are schizophrenic about what they find acceptable and what they don't. Almost everything in a video game goes because it's a video game and nothing is real. Killing someone in a game doesn't kill anybody and raping someone doesn't result in someone getting raped. However, for most people there are some things they simply can't allow because they are inherently evil, repulsive or wrong, or so they think. Suddenly, ethics from the real world do apply to a video game with no other explanation than that this thing is so wrong, so hurtful that it shouldn't even exist in a video game. Lolicon or adult content involving children is one of the most extreme and thus easier examples one can make to unveil the hypocritical stance many people take. For whatever reason, many people have a strong emotional reaction when presented with said example, comparable to the reaction the often condemned moral guardians have when presented with a topic that you yourself have no problem with. Every single argument you can make about why lolicon shouldn't be allowed you can also make for any other subject, like rape, murder and the like. When I do it, it's okay, if someone who is not me does it, it's not okay.
johnnywatwat Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Am I the only one that thinks steam is right to forbid linking to LL? I really enjoy the content here, because I know how to make difference between reality and fiction. But children don't and that's why this place is not at all for them, and why it shouldn't be easy for them to find it. Let's face it, a lot of children download nude mod for their characters in various games (at least I did, and I created a false adult acount on nexus to do so, it was for NWN2 IIRC). The thing is I'm really happy to not have found any hardcore content back then, because I would have tried it out of curiosity. TL;DR: kids search for a nude mod, find LL and all the extreme stuff in there (rape bestiality slavery etc) => not good. It's 2016 brah. All you gotta do is type a few choice words in Google and you'll see all the rape, beastiality, and slavery you want. Kids are gonna be kids. Let's be frank now. They WILL find a way past whatever barrier you put up.
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