proxy86 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 Thanks for your work Ceo! I've been a huge fan since you teased the 0Sex idea on your personal blog. I completely understand your hard decision. It seems like there has been an accumulating trend of stress over the past couple months and understandably so since I believe the project has reached a point in its development where it's requiring a huge time investment of you for something that very well might not payoff in the future now. On a positive note, I am sure you have learned a lot from developing this mod which I am sure will prove useful to you in the future.
Meem0 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 I think you might be making some assumptions about how much the Special Edition will affect the modding scene. Bethesda is clearly banking a lot on console mods, and hugely catering towards PC players, as we can tell by the fact that it will be a free upgrade. It would seem stupid to me if they went to all that trouble only to have all PC mods break in the SE. That said, it's possible SKSE mods won't be supported by the upgrade, as they might not work on consoles anyway. At the end of the day, we can't tell, so it isn't worth getting frustrated over. If you're resolved to abandoning the project, that's fine, but you should make it possible for people to carry on development. You might be surprised.
pbh Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 Thanks for your work Ceo! I've been a huge fan since you teased the 0Sex idea on your personal blog. I completely understand your hard decision. It seems like there has been an accumulating trend of stress over the past couple months and understandably so since I believe the project has reached a point in its development where it's requiring a huge time investment of you for something that very well might not payoff in the future now. On a positive note, I am sure you have learned a lot from developing this mod which I am sure will prove useful to you in the future. Must admit I have followed the forum and thought the exact same thing. As this mod no longer seems to bring you any joy to develop I think it is the correct decision. Life, career and personal wellbeing must take presidense over mod development. Grateful for your work until this point and hope you find the closure you want with this project and thanks for the fruits of your undoubtefdly hard work! Take care, pbh
migal130 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 I ask because I had crash fixes and that was the first time I ever saw that error. I have had OSEX in my game pretty much since launch, and never saw that error before. I uninstalled CF and no more foot IK. Before I had Crash Fixes, I would just get CTDs on load. Crash Fixes replaced those CTDs with the foot IK error. I haven't seen much speculation that Crash Fixes itself is the cause of the error. However, Crash Fixes version 10 and 11 caused Skyrim memory to be handled in a different way. For machines with a lot of RAM, it is an improvement. For machines with less RAM, it may actually make things worse. I think that's why Kinky sees the foot IK error now more than he did before Crash Fixes 10 was released. My machine has 12 gig of RAM and I see foot IK less than I did before Crash Fixes 10. These memory issues will probably no longer exist when Skyrim is 64 bit. A lot of CTDs should just magically go away.
Gyrotica Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 I've been following this project since its inception, and I'm very sorry to see it ago. I would like to break my lurk to say thank you for the work you've done, and to ask how one might work to be included in the 1.08 invitation, and how one might follow future work you do with UE4? Thanks again. This was an excellent mod.
aldz24 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 I guess i was too late to noticed this mod X_X The animations, the transitions and stuff are superb Wish I could've tried this sooner and tested it out and with the project getting abandoned, I do hope (CEO) can find something that is worth doing And thanks for making the mod edit 2 Has anyone tried running both sexlab and osex at the same time? seems there is conflicts on some skse stuff and scripts from the latest sexlab 1.62 I'm using Mod Organizer right now, Do i let the New Sexlab files overwrite the OSEX ones? thanks
migal130 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 @migal Well this is weird situation. We just solved one of the 2 biggest bugs (only FootIk remains and minor bug of sub scaling issue) and CEO cancels the project. I love your positive attitude, but I'm not sure our accomplishment was quite that great. We didn't really solve bugs so much as we ruled some things out. We know t-pose was carry over from old builds and CEO probably already fixed it during one of the builds since then. You were still seeing it because your saves weren't really clean. We also know that foot IK is probably related to memory management and it is not a result of errors found in the logs. The foot IK errors don't really bother me, but I don't get them nearly as frequently as you do. I get them maybe 1 out of 80 loads when using the behavior files I made and Crash Fixes 10. That's so rare, I can't even be sure it's Osex causing it. I respect your decision but dont really like it or agree with it. I know it's hard, because we are such huge fans of the mod. But, CEO deserves our support for his decision. When one concludes modding is bringing unhappiness instead of happiness, it's time to hang it up for a while. Whether or not he opens the source is strictly his decision. I doubt I would. I'd be worried I might want to come back later but my mod had been turned into something contrary to my vision. CEO is the one who invested all the time. It's totally up to him. But, I hope he at least continues to hang around, simply because I like the guy.
D_ManXX2 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 Ceo sorry to hear about this, i hope it wasn't because of the user from yesterday ?? Something like that can drain allot from you. I love your positive attitude, but I'm not sure our accomplishment was quite that great. We didn't really solve bugs so much as we ruled some things out. We know t-pose was carry over from old builds and CEO probably already fixed it during one of the builds since then. You were still seeing it because your saves weren't really clean. We also know that foot IK is probably related to memory management and it is not a result of errors found in the logs. The foot IK errors don't really bother me, but I don't get them nearly as frequently as you do. I get them maybe 1 out of 80 loads when using the behavior files I made and Crash Fixes 10. That's so rare, I can't even be sure it's Osex causing it. I thought footIK was caused by skeleton issue usually when it happens i was having a female companion along with me and i was not even using this mod yet. so it's not even this mod causing it.
mptron Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 Man, I feel really bummed out. I can understand your decision CEO, but... man. I just saw the update a few day ago and was really exited to try the new menus, but didn't have a chance to download it. I was also super stoked about the wizard sex and now I'll never get to try it. T-T Even though you are abandoning the project, I hope you'll consider making the latest version available with a disclaimer, for those like me who want to try it despite the bugs. For all the people like me who love your work but didn't voice their appreciation before it was too late... Thank You.
migal130 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 I thought footIK was caused by skeleton issue usually when it happens i was having a female companion along with me and i was not even using this mod yet. so it's not even this mod causing it. Here's what I would really like to know. Has anyone ever gotten the foot IK error when they aren't running HDT?
D_ManXX2 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 I don't think i ever got that FootIK without hdt installed. But FootIk was only visible when crash fix was released or else i would not even know that it was footIK causing it, but it only happens when i load a save game and there is any female in the same room, or am playing female character at that time. Without Crash fix it will just crash skyrim without warning when loading save game.
lucaxs Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 @migal Well this is weird situation. We just solved one of the 2 biggest bugs (only FootIk remains and minor bug of sub scaling issue) and CEO cancels the project. @CEO Seriously the timing for decision like that couldn't be worse. Now when you have amazing thumblr page, Updated mod description page on both nexus and LL, everything in place, major bug solved and only few minor issues remaining... basicly all you have to do is hit the hotfiles and mod of the month, but instead you decide to cancel it. I understand that working to hard on something can be exausting and this is why i keep saying take it easy, do simple things, but i don't understand the fact that few dumb people and comming of Skyrim Remastered (that could be total failiure) could affect your decision to this scale. Giving up when you are about to triumph is not very reasonable thing to do. I respect your decision but dont really like it or agree with it. I completely agree with you, Kinky. It's the unenviable position of us mod users that, despite all our emotional investment, we simply have to 'deal with it' whenever modders decide to end development, because it's their decision and we have to respect it, of course. But, given the incredible amount of work put into 0SEX and all the recent breakthroughs, the decision to end development of a mod that for me - and I'm sure countless others - finally transforms Skyrim into something personal and emotional makes me sad. (Heck, I was about to quit Skyrim altogether until this mod caught my eye when it was first released.) I'm also saddened by CEO's remark that only "a few hundred people" would enjoy his mod, even though 0SEX has (as of this writing) over 63.000 unique downloads on the Nexus. No one here is in any position to tell you how to live your life, CEO, but given all the love and care you've put into 0SEX, I sincerely hope that this is all the result of a temporary burnout and that you'll return to 0SEX with renewed energy
migal130 Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 I don't think i ever got that FootIK without hdt installed. But FootIk was only visible when crash fix was released or else i would not even know that it was footIK causing it, but it only happens when i load a save game and there is any female in the same room, or am playing female character at that time. Sounds an awful lot like it might be HDT related to me. I know HDT can cause CTDs under certain circumstances. I don't know why it wasn't high on my suspect list for Foot IK. Would I give up HDT for Osex? Tough decision. But, considering HDT causes spazzing body parts and invisible NPCs, and OSex 1.082 fixed the t-pose and scaling issues (for me, anyway) and comes with the best animations and interface ever made, I'd probably have to go OSex. Luckily, I can. I have 1.082. A lot of people don't, which tickles my inner snob. It's kind of like having a rare model year for a car, a year everyone says was the best. PS: Happy father's day to anyone who should be hearing it.
Khlas Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 Was 100% sure the project would be abandonned since your post saying some people that QQ about your mod. I'm really disappointed that you don't have enough sanity to pass over it. Your mod became popular and shine day by day, it just needed time to have more modders and developpers for it. I'm sorry if it sound rude, but to be frank, I don't agree with your decision if this was all about these people QQing about your mod. However, if you ended your project because of real life intercourses, then it's something I respect. Thank you.
HerefortheBoobs1 Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 Wow, this decision came quite unexpected for me I can totally understand the reasons behind it and that other matters in life are more important and fullfilling, however, as pointless as it might seem for me to argue this point, I wouldn't be so pessimistic about Skyrim SE ruining mods for Skyrim or 0Sex, it already has been confirmed by Bethesda that mods should be compatible with the new version of Skyrim, even old savegames are said to work with Skyrim SE ! Now I know this is by no means a guarantee that there won't be incompatible mods or issues, however, aside from a 64bit version of SKSE, which has been officially confirmed will be required (and I very much assume that it will be made), it seems that there is a good chance that Skyrim SE will not split the community, but rather gives us an upgraded base to work with that is (partially ?) backwards compatible. The fact that Bethesda is bringing mods to consoles is another indicator that they wouldn't profit from making Skyrim mods incompatible with the new version as it would deprive them of a huge number of potential mods for consoles, as someone else already pointed out in this thread. I know these are very wishful and maybe even naive hopes on my part, but I wanted to share these thoughts with you anyway . Now, having pointed all this out, I would like to make the humble suggestion that rather than cancelling the project altogether on the assumption that Skyrim SE will ruin it (I know there were other reasons you mentioned, however, it seems to me that the announcement of Skyrim SE has sparked all this, I might be totally wrong about that tho ^^), why don't you put the project on hiatus until Skyrim SE launches in October of this year instead? That way you could confirm with certainty if Skyrim SE will be compatible with 0Sex or not and in the meantime you would get a much deserved break from the project and might gather some new strength and motivation to continue in case it turns out to work with Skyrim SE, or in case it doesn't, you had a nice long break and can start a new project full of enthusiasm and with no regrets Regardless of the above, I wish you all the best luck in any and all your future endeavours and I'm glad I was able to experience at least a part of what you had envisioned for 0Sex, it was something truly special and unique in Skyrim modding and you deserve nothing but respect for what you achieved !
EniracY Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 I've been lurking on this thread for many iterations of 0S. I've no knowledge of papyrus or any of the languages this mod uses so I've not been able to give any support in that field, I'm sorry. What I have been doing, and will continue to do so for the iteration on the Nexus is promote this mod to any who will listen to me. To me this mod is more than just 'a sex mod' but an awesome framework that opened up Skyrim to a whole different way to tell stories and I love that about this mod. The animations feel fluid, natural and have real personality to them which is amazing. I'm sad to hear about you winding up the mod, CEO but thank you very much for this mod. I was going to ask about how people would make new animation packs for this mod and what would or wouldn't work but if you feel you need to take your dedication and talent elsewhere I completely understand that. That you'll only be giving 1.8 (and I assume the 2.0 you mentioned?) to the select few makes me sad as I assume it doesn't go to lurkers like me, but it's your mod and I wish you all the best
Meem0 Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 However, if you ended your project because of real life intercourses top kek
nappilydeestruction Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 I understand your decision. I mean sometimes things like either how people can dismiss your mod and not calling it a "framework" or even what Bethesda did was shady and money hustling could make a fantastic modder like yourself lose interest in continue a great mod like this or any mod you would've made. You will still have my support no matter what your decision including this one. I'm sorry how you became unmotivated to continue, it happens to the best of us of course. I hope that one day you will look back at this project and say I have come so far and I have accomplished more than I have ever though. And also one day you will come back when being inspired to shine one more with your beautiful mod. Again I am sorry that you will no longer continue this mod, I wish you the best of luck with your life and hope that you will look back and be proud of your accomplishments. *Hugs*
Carida Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 I'm very sad to hear this new honestly, for me this mod brought a level of romance, affection and realism if you were that I could not find anywhere else. I'm very sad to hear that it won't be continued, but I understand wanting to do something that makes you happy if this mod was only making you sad. So I hope you go do something you enjoy more Thank you for all the time and effort you put in, this will still be one of my favorites -C
damitzadam Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 Thanks for the mods CEO. Even without the orgasms, the wizard sex, and the bad boys and girl, I really respect your decision. Thanks so much for everything you have done.
Nichoice Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 Well this is a sad day. Such is the fickle life of a mod. Though this one hurts more because it had potential and garnished real interest to many. Though I understand where CEO is coming from. With the recent announcement of this 'Remaster' to which includes things we have had for years now, the only thing we didn't have was a 64bit executable. Now no one knows if its going to be backwards compatible and for everyone here to pour their heart and soul into this to find out that it may be all for naught is kinda tear jerkingly painful. (Well not completely for naught but you know what I mean). It is hard to find the enthusiasm and eagerness to continue a project of which may have no longevity. As a user, I am grateful for all the work EVERYONE has done thus far. The animations are fluid, the UI is top notch, ease of use, installation, well documented, a professional nexus page and tumbler, dedicated following (the amount of users whom registered just to post here for this mod alone is staggering, seriously go back and look at all those posters with 1 post. And again, the one just below me.), testers and bug fixers. What CEO decides is his decision and his alone, I can only hope that this project will live on and development will continue whether now *wink wink* or in the near future with the release of the remaster and get the recognition this project deserves. But Kinky is right, for all we know this 'remaster' may not garnish the interests of modders. What work that is done here will remain here. Whether or not it is backwards compatible or whether it will be ported has no hindrance on this Project. Should the Remaster not be backwards compatible then that will only another bump on the road.
Kimoss Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 Is this a late April's fool or something? I really respect your decision but why did you have to make the awesome tumblr page and remove the buggy 1.08 (after some lucky people already downloaded it),I thought a new version was going to be released not this. My hopes were so high up and then were suddenly murdered by this. Of course as a lurker who didn't even give an opinion, I shouldn't speak like this but I thought I would just tell you this. I hope I can see your seamless animations again in another game even if it wasn't sex ones. Thanks for all the good time I had here!
Rayvan27 Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 This unreal and saddening(understatement) that it's cancel. But of its not fun and too taxing I understand. It's a great mode with alot of effort ,love and care put into it. One the greatest mods ever. Good luck on your future projects and alway have fun with your hobby. This unreal and saddening(understatement) that it's cancel. But of its not fun and too taxing I understand. It's a great mode with alot of effort ,love and care put into it. One the greatest mods ever. Good luck on your future projects and alway have fun with your hobby.
croixfente Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 It is very sad to read that you abandoned the development of this project. I was reading yesterday night to see that you are still bug-fixing and testing 1.081 beta version and reply positively that you are making progress. When i woke up today, reading some news and you thoughts on abandon 0sex project, it is such a heart-breaking moment. For real, your mod is fascinating and mind-blowing that overwhelmed me when i first saw the mod on nexus and later of course using it in game. All I can say is that your mod is far more satisfying that you are expecting it should or shall be. Sometimes i think feel like having all these fantastic modder and mods, what have i done in return. Nothing but just endorsement showing appreciation and support. Since i am just a stupid mod user that know little or non to any modding or animation knowledge, I just want to say fo real, I do hope i can help you on any part of this but the truth is i am just a noob with nothing. As you stated that, or i think you are saying that only a few will have the chance to get a stable version of 1.0i afterward. Just a little hope, will you reconsider putting it on nexus for a limited time just to create last best memory for 0sex that it has been completed and so good once in the nexusmod history. Amd maybe one day or soon, someone that have the knowledge will continue work on it to make it even better that ever. Anyway, just some stupid thoughts from a nobody noob. Reading your thoughts on moving on, I will support and hope to see some new masterpiece from you soon. Sorry for some stupid english. And at last, Thanks for all you have given and good time frok this mod. Appreciated!!
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