Ceit Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 If the past 24hrs has proven anything, it is that modding has been changed forever. I had predicted that Pay-fro-Mods would be a reality 3-4 years ago on ModsReloaded modding forum and of course the predictable onslaught of jerk off kids and adults posted insults and threats towards me and the slew of promises that they would quit modding. I have since that time written about this subject on many other forums, social media and blogs with the same predictable results. Now we find ourselves here... How long is it going to be before Pay-for-Mods is a reality in the adult modding community? 3-5 years max is all the adult modding community has left before this cancer comes and rots this community as well. Oh I am sure the Rape and Bestiality mods will survive HOWEVER IT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT 16-25 YEAR OLD KIDS WILL PAY FOR HIGH RESOLUTION FEMALE NUDE BODY MODS, HAIR MODS, FEMALE RACE MODS, SEXY CLOTHING AND ARMOUR MODS. This is already a proven model on the Asian boards and you can cry all you want but my bet is that Loverslab will suffer the same fate as the Nexusmods is now. BEFORE YOU ARGUE THIS think for a moment, what would you have said 3 years ago if I posted that Pay-for-Mods would be a reality in the near future. If you think about it then you will come to the conclusion that your response would be exactly the same as it is now. Pay-for-Mods in the adult modding community is inevitable. If Loverslab doesn't do it then some other place will... my bet is the porn companies that pay to advertise here will soon cut their loses and get in the business as soon as they see that there is money to be made. Lets face it, the modding community changed for the worse since the release of Skyrim. The game itself was the worst of the series and this generation of kids are just so naive and ignorant that it was only a matter of time after the introduction of "Donations" or whatever other word you want to call it that Pay for mods became the norm. Yes the writing was on the wall during the Oblivion craze when people started to think that they owned their mods and going crazy with "Permission" rules on the usage of their mods. The giants of the community like Wrye and others left modding just on that alone!!!!!!!!!!! Modding used to be free... In my eye, that was the beginning of the end. People like me who have real life international business experience and others who were just a tad smarter than the average user realized that the Modding Community was putting the Gaming companies into a corner. A position that no one want s to be in. Copy Right Law is the foundation of Western Free Society. Every one of you who live in the free western world owe a debt to Copy Right Law. The invention of Copy Right Law is considered to be one of the pillars of a free society that we all enjoy today. Let's face it, Bethasda has a right to protect their products. The money they make goes to their investors and also goes to future game development AND PROVIDES JOBS THAT FEEDS FAMILIES AND CLOTHES CHILDREN! Once the modders started to pay money in the form of donations everything that has transpired in the last 24 hours was predictable. How will you pay for adult mods in the future? That is debatable. In my past predictions I had described a number of ways I thought it would happen. I always insisted that the gaming companies would need to align themselves with gaming communities and in this case they chose Steam. I really thought they would choose the Nexusmods because they were and are the biggest and best service even if the owner is a complete ass wipe. I can seriously see the On-line Porn Industry who already have the money and more importantly the infrastructure to set this all up. It just makes sense. When you look at the 7Base body mod and the incredible work that Sevennity is doing is anyone really going to say here today that they wouldn't pay $1.99 for it? I think everyone would. I would and I am against Pay-for-Mods. I am against the endorsement and like system and I am against donations but I am also not blind to what has been coming for a long time. One way or another the future of the Adult Gaming and Modding Community is at risk. We will be buying adult mods in the future one way or another. Whether it is through being forced into buying memberships or flat out buying mods there is little doubt that it will happen. I think that in the near future forums like the Nexusmods and Loverslab will have no choice but to become more private communities... I can't say exactly what will happen but I can see that one day these forums will have a provision where they will more aggressively ask for members to buy yearly or lifetime memberships. As the price of hosting mods and running a forum increases, owners will be forced to look for new ways to raise their income. Let me ask you this; If Ashal posted that he could not afford to keep the Loverslab running for more than the next 12 months would anybody here buy a membership? I can see the Nexusmods allowing people to download 10 mods for free before their account is locked and they start spamming you for purchasing a membership. FUCK they are already spamming me about fucking donations!!!! I expect 98% of people to disagree with everything I posted because that is the same reaction I got 3-4 years ago when I posted the same thing about Pay-for-Mods in the mainstream modding community. Nothing would make me happier to see this all fall apart but unfortunately even if it does I think it will come back. Why? Because if you have been reading the threads everywhere you will have noticed a familiar theme; the users today support Pay-for-Mods in the form of donations. And that itself ladies and gentlemen equates to users will pay for mods. So here is my question to you all: Who do you think deserves they money? The mod authors or the forum owner who has to pay to keep the show running? Or both? Maybe a split between the two? Do you believe that you should buy a membership here in order to help protect the free adult modding community? What are you thoughts about the future of the Adult gaming and Modding Community?
Guest mayaktheunholy Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 As the price of hosting mods and running a forum increases, owners will be forced to look for new ways to raise their income. Let me ask you this; If Ashal posted that he could not afford to keep the Loverslab running for more than the next 12 months would anybody here buy a membership? I think you would be surprised at the number of us who would. I think some kind of free vs premium membership model would work. People who are willing to pay to support the board could have a few privileges, and those who don't or can't could still have access to most board features and/or mods. As far as what the future holds for modding, adult and otherwise... I think when the dust settles it will be somewhere in between the old free system and a paid system, with modders who want to get paid for their efforts offering updates to backers first, and then releasing free versions to the public later on. And really, would that be such a bad system? Those who are against the paid model will only have to wait a bit, and the mod will likely have been bugtested by the paying crowd by then.
Ark of Truth Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Let me ask you this; If Ashal posted that he could not afford to keep the Loverslab running for more than the next 12 months would anybody here buy a membership? I would, this site gives me the freedom to mod whatever I want without stupid rules and bullshit. Out of all the modding sites I have got the most help her with any issue. I think you would be surprised at the number of us who would. I think some kind of free vs premium membership model would work. People who are willing to pay to support the board could have a few privileges, and those who don't or can't could still have access to most board features and/or mods. Well this has been talked about before. You could originally donate to the site but the feature seems to have disappeared. If I remember right the community did offer to donate money for a need server update and to cut Ashal costs down. As far as what the future holds for modding, adult and otherwise... I think when the dust settles it will be somewhere in between the old free system and a paid system, with modders who want to get paid for their efforts offering updates to backers first, and then releasing free versions to the public later on. And really, would that be such a bad system? Those who are against the paid model will only have to wait a bit, and the mod will likely have been bugtested by the paying crowd by then. Bad system? No. Would it be done this way, Debatable.
Tepi Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Paying for mods and having them behind a paywall are 2 different things. I have donated in the past and would certainly consider for membership here, if all the content would still be available for free accounts as well. Splitting up the community is never a good thing, which I do hope valve/beth will notice too.
TheDriedFinger Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I'm not sure how Adult Mods as a whole might be affected, but I am confident that sex mods and animation mods will be safe from paywalls. Most mods that add new animations (without replacement) rely on FNIS, but the catch is that FNIS-dependent mods not only depend on the user having FNIS installed, but they also need to include an FNIS-generated behavior file, which Fore won't allow. Fore is absolutely the one and only thorn in Valve's side when it comes to animation mods.
Yami X Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 It's like I'm reading a long wall of no win scenario.
Dloki Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I personally have to agree that this is the path that the world is on. However I do believe that the can be a middle ground, some of the best adult games I've found worked on the model suggested above, where donors get benefits, usually updates sooner. Hopefully if, or when, the adult mods community goes this route, then this will be the method taken. My main concern in the here and now is how this will knock on to mods here in regards to pre-requisite mods that may end up behind paywalls
Ceit Posted April 25, 2015 Author Posted April 25, 2015 As the price of hosting mods and running a forum increases, owners will be forced to look for new ways to raise their income. Let me ask you this; If Ashal posted that he could not afford to keep the Loverslab running for more than the next 12 months would anybody here buy a membership? I think you would be surprised at the number of us who would. I think some kind of free vs premium membership model would work. People who are willing to pay to support the board could have a few privileges, and those who don't or can't could still have access to most board features and/or mods. As far as what the future holds for modding, adult and otherwise... I think when the dust settles it will be somewhere in between the old free system and a paid system, with modders who want to get paid for their efforts offering updates to backers first, and then releasing free versions to the public later on. And really, would that be such a bad system? Those who are against the paid model will only have to wait a bit, and the mod will likely have been bug tested by the paying crowd by then. Umm... sry, I think you misunderstood me or that I was rushing in typing this and didn't explain myself properly but it was to be a rhetorical question. I think it would work. I have been a member here longer than this account. I have never been banned just left a few times when things became slow. I only came back when I started playing Skyrim and to beta test my friends mod that are uploaded here. My point is that I know this has been talked about but I am saying that sometime in the future it could be forced upon us all and in effect then we would all be paying for mods in some form or another Oh, so it's an alarmist rant. ? Then you don't understand what is being said. Try again. or don't... actually just don't. It's like I'm reading a long wall of no win scenario. Try again it is more like a "best case scenario out of a shitty situation." As soon as money was brought into modding then anyone with half a brain new this day was coming. So what are we going to do about it. How are we as a community going to protect our interests so that it is fair to all? If your plan is to just close your eyes and cry about a no win scenario well then I'll leave you be. I for one am trying to make a stand. I am trying to wake people the fuck up... THIS REALITY IS COMING HERE TOO IF WE DON"T PLAN FOR IT! If we don't stop with the asinine comments like the one from Jexsam then our fate is out of our hands. We need to use our brains and having an open conversation without insulting each other is the first step. People like to think that piranhas don't turn and eat each other but when they are hungry they do... we are witnessing this right now. I personally have to agree that this is the path that the world is on. However I do believe that the can be a middle ground, some of the best adult games I've found worked on the model suggested above, where donors get benefits, usually updates sooner. Hopefully if, or when, the adult mods community goes this route, then this will be the method taken. My main concern in the here and now is how this will knock on to mods here in regards to pre-requisite mods that may end up behind paywalls THIS thanks for your contribution.
Jexsam Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 So if they disagree with you, they either didn't read or are just being asinine. Okay.
Yami X Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Who's crying op?What you're doing is compromising.
Kamen Rider Kuuga Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 The moment this place goes paid, I'm out completely. I like Ashal and SexLab, I might even pay something for it... but pay to be here in general? Not a fucking chance. This community isn't worth paying to have even basic access to.
Erundil Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 As the price of hosting mods and running a forum increases, owners will be forced to look for new ways to raise their income. Let me ask you this; If Ashal posted that he could not afford to keep the Loverslab running for more than the next 12 months would anybody here buy a membership? I think you would be surprised at the number of us who would. I think some kind of free vs premium membership model would work. People who are willing to pay to support the board could have a few privileges, and those who don't or can't could still have access to most board features and/or mods. As far as what the future holds for modding, adult and otherwise... I think when the dust settles it will be somewhere in between the old free system and a paid system, with modders who want to get paid for their efforts offering updates to backers first, and then releasing free versions to the public later on. And really, would that be such a bad system? Those who are against the paid model will only have to wait a bit, and the mod will likely have been bugtested by the paying crowd by then. Even without special privilages I'd buy a membership, as long as it's optional, not forced. I like it here and I want LL to keep going as it is. Optional membership (like Supporter Account) would be great, because it would solve the server funding problem, while keeping the current set of users intact. If paid membership would be forced, it'd mean that only rich people would stay. I have no idea if the people I like on LL are rich. A lot of them are probably not. Optional membership is not all that different from donating money directly to Ashal, except that people would recognize that you've paid just looking at your membership status.
afa Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Copy Right Law is the foundation of Western Free Society. Every one of you who live in the free western world owe a debt to Copy Right Law. The invention of Copy Right Law is considered to be one of the pillars of a free society that we all enjoy today. Let's face it, Bethasda has a right to protect their products. The money they make goes to their investors and also goes to future game development AND PROVIDES JOBS THAT FEEDS FAMILIES AND CLOTHES CHILDREN! Hold on a second, I am still reading the rest of your post. But I have to stop here...give me a minute. I need to go fucking punch a fucking wall and hold myself down before I go on a rampage... ... .. .. Ok I am better now. Copy right law is sound...or should I say it used to be. Now a days it becomes corporate dicking around against general public, against other corporate, against their competitions. The whole thing is a political and a power play farce nearly bent on nationalism and pride. Ok I am done now...will get back on to the matters at hand shortly... Edit: Ok finished reading now. I don't get it? If you are so strong on the copy right aspect of it, it should be pretty clear that the whole reason paid mod can exist right now is because Bethesda is sanctioning it and under the condition that they take a cut. For adult mod, the pressing issue isn't if we'll have to pay, but rather If we'll even GET to pay for them or if they will even exist. I highly doubt we'll reach a point in the near future where there'll be flat out adult, much less sexual, mods on steam workshop or whatever other storefront Bethesda cooks up. The key is that no one can put up mod for sale unless it is on the workshop, or more precisely no one can put a mod up for sale unless Bethesda gets a cut. Isn't that how that romance mod ended up with a C&D? Porn site has the infrastructure sure, but will Bethesda go and partner up with them?
Zor2k13 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Porn is something mainstream tries incredibly hard to stay away from. There was some kind of controversy over the xbox 360 kinect and some porn game company years ago because the porn game company as I remember, made it possible to use the kinect camera to control their game so many people assumed the game was going to end up on the xbox 360 and the media made a big stink about it. M$ had to release a statement to deal with it all and I think there was some legal wrangling with m$ and the porn company? anyway it never happened for the porn company. People like porn but they don't, this is how things work it is not such a simple thing and never will be because people are also very different around the world and even though someone like osama probably watched porn on his crappy tv in pakistan, he wouldn't be caught dead watching it in front of others although it would be interesting if that was what he was doing with the americans busted down his door lol. Porn is a taboo and as long as it stays that way it will continue to be itneresting and taboo but as soon as it goes mainstream then nobody will really care about it anymore and the money leaves the porn industry. If m$ slapped down a porn company taboo use for their kinect what do you think bugfesta will say about porn mods in their games? or valve? it is not about money when it comes to porn it is about taboo every time.
Ceit Posted April 26, 2015 Author Posted April 26, 2015 *Clears throat* Fuck No. Simple. Hey LoL thanks for dealing with that. There are always children who don't know how to have an intelligent conversation and only know how to sling insults and accusations. Especially when they are unable to formulate a logical argument. However in this case he/she has misunderstood the purpose of this thread. I am not arguing against or for Pay-for-Mods. There is already a thread for that. The moderators would have shut this down already but they obviously see that I am trying to bring the conversation in a different direction. Cheers Copy Right Law is the foundation of Western Free Society. Every one of you who live in the free western world owe a debt to Copy Right Law. The invention of Copy Right Law is considered to be one of the pillars of a free society that we all enjoy today. Let's face it, Bethasda has a right to protect their products. The money they make goes to their investors and also goes to future game development AND PROVIDES JOBS THAT FEEDS FAMILIES AND CLOTHES CHILDREN! Hold on a second, I am still reading the rest of your post. But I have to stop here...give me a minute. I need to go fucking punch a fucking wall and hold myself down before I go on a rampage... ... .. .. Ok I am better now. Copy right law is sound...or should I say it used to be. Now a days it becomes corporate dicking around against general public, against other corporate, against their competitions. The whole thing is a political and a power play farce nearly bent on nationalism and pride. Ok I am done now...will get back on to the matters at hand shortly... Edit: Ok finished reading now. I don't get it? If you are so strong on the copy right aspect of it, it should be pretty clear that the whole reason paid mod can exist right now is because Bethesda is sanctioning it and under the condition that they take a cut. For adult mod, the pressing issue isn't if we'll have to pay, but rather If we'll even GET to pay for them or if they will even exist. I highly doubt we'll reach a point in the near future where there'll be flat out adult, much less sexual, mods on steam workshop or whatever other storefront Bethesda cooks up. The key is that no one can put up mod for sale unless it is on the workshop, or more precisely no one can put a mod up for sale unless Bethesda gets a cut. Isn't that how that romance mod ended up with a C&D? Porn site has the infrastructure sure, but will Bethesda go and partner up with them? ??? Why are you banging your head against a wall? Why would you do that? How can you loose control so easily? What did I say that provoked such a reaction? I don't get it sry Ya I was typing fast and putting a lot out there. I actually had a little life emergency in the middle of starting the thread and started typing in turbo mode. Umm... Personally I am 100% against Pay-for-Mod. It goes against the spirit of modding which was always for fun. It stopped being fun once people started with the "Permission" BS but that is my own opinion and a little off topic. Still many of the GREAT modders that started modding for Morrowind back in the day left modding for that reason alone. The reason I brought Copy Right Law into the conversation is because once modders started asking for money in the form of "Donations" (or whatever else they call these days) it was clear that Bethesda could not let that happen. They just can't let other people make money from "selling" products made from their assets and game platform. That just does not make sense. Once money became involved it poisoned the free modding system that was in place and now Bethesda wants control of their assets. And they deserve it. It is theirs. They gave it to us and let us mod it for free. They did not charge us for the CS. And we turned around and said we are going to sell our mods without you. And now Big Daddy Bethesda is coming and punishing all of us and saying, " You want to sell your mods? Fine, but we want control and a cut." So now what? We have lost everything. We have lost their trust. That was my point and why I was giving a little history lesson on the importance Copy Right Law has on society because most people don't ever think about that. Come on, it isn't exactly water cooler talk is it Porn sites: well bethesda doesn't have to partner with them directly. Their parent company or some other company under the parent umbrella can or they can licence it or make some other deal. The point here is that there is now blood in the water and the sharks will be coming soon YOU CAN BET ON THAT. Once the corporations see that there is money to be made who knows what is going to happen now. All these kids and adults that are knew and young and naive don't realize what the real world is like. The corporations are coming now and they are going to ruin it more. Look at what happened so far and it has only been 48hrs. Give this 5 years and we'll see what happens. You would be surprised at how many major fortune 500 corporations are somehow involved with porn on the net. it is huge money and it is not only about the porn. The offshoots are so many that I am not even going there now. But since there are many perverts here I'm sure if someone wants to pick that up they will. And please do. back on point; can they do it, yes it could be done. Will they, who knows. But the porn industry also has MONEY. They can go head to head and force an issue if they want. Bethesda and their parent company are not going to say no to money. They never do. And porn is almost acceptable today. Think about, every teenaged girl and guy are sending naked pics of themselves and posting vids of themselves all the time. it is almost a fashion statement. Blame Hollywood for that and the Kardashians. I am not saying it will happen right away but I am saying that it is coming in some form or another. How can we organize ourselves to prepare for the inevitable? If we don't organize ourselves then the market will do it for us. Fuck... I hate saying that
Zor2k13 Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 I forgot to add that thanks to that content ratings system things can't just be so cut and dry for bringing in porn. I recall people around here talking about contents of oblivion having to change before release to satisfy some kind of content rating so the game would not get an AO or adults only rating? When these ratings are more strict then sales go down because parents don't let their kids play the things but with a rating friendly to kids the game sells the most. Like I said porn is a big taboo but that taboo status makes money and holds interest.
Hayleyrose2323 Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Eh? Dont thank me. My mind is pretty burned out at the moment from all this mods costing money crap. Any mention of it, or Oh its going to get worse or something like that my answer for now on is FUCK NO. My mind just can't handle anymore, so it just hides and all I can say is that...so.. FUCK NO
Guest mayaktheunholy Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 As the price of hosting mods and running a forum increases, owners will be forced to look for new ways to raise their income. Let me ask you this; If Ashal posted that he could not afford to keep the Loverslab running for more than the next 12 months would anybody here buy a membership? I think you would be surprised at the number of us who would. I think some kind of free vs premium membership model would work. People who are willing to pay to support the board could have a few privileges, and those who don't or can't could still have access to most board features and/or mods. As far as what the future holds for modding, adult and otherwise... I think when the dust settles it will be somewhere in between the old free system and a paid system, with modders who want to get paid for their efforts offering updates to backers first, and then releasing free versions to the public later on. And really, would that be such a bad system? Those who are against the paid model will only have to wait a bit, and the mod will likely have been bug tested by the paying crowd by then. Umm... sry, I think you misunderstood me or that I was rushing in typing this and didn't explain myself properly but it was to be a rhetorical question. I think it would work. I have been a member here longer than this account. I have never been banned just left a few times when things became slow. I only came back when I started playing Skyrim and to beta test my friends mod that are uploaded here. My point is that I know this has been talked about but I am saying that sometime in the future it could be forced upon us all and in effect then we would all be paying for mods in some form or another Yeah, I took it too literally. I don't know you (at least under your current name, I have been here since the beginning myself), so I wrongly assumed you meant that literally. Hard to convey tone through text when you are in a hurry though. As far as it being forced on us all (as in for even basic access), I can't speak for Ashal, but I suspect he might just shut it down if it came to that. I have yet to see him comment on this matter, probably for the same reason I haven't in the more argument-focused threads. I'd rather wait and see what will really happen, and what is really behind this, than freak out about it. But I have been accused of being too laid back. But yes, I agree paid for mods in general is a horrible idea, at least the way they are going about it.
Gameboyfan99 Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 In my opinion Ceit, I think you want adult modding to eventually erode and if anyone says otherwise you don't want to take it in because it conflicts with what you say. Case in point Jexsam's comment while short it was the truth. You're op basically points to a no win scenario again and again. As long as the main heavy mods remain free like Fore's mods(even said he would try his best to get paid mods that require or use his tools to be pulled from workshop) , adult modding it will be secure in the future. For now it is still to early to be so glum and have such a pessimistic view.
Buddy Christ Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 There is a "no win" scenario in here. As soon as mods can only be used through the workshop and won't work otherwise, adult modding is gone. Valve will never allow it and if it only works with pirated versions, the whole adult modding community is left in the rain.
Rayblue Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Considering the Sims 3 drama, and then the shitstorm over hair mods, I'd say... Not everyone is ready for this.
...0... Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Is this guy for real or what? What a load of crap. Calling others kids or other insults. Learn some manors and social skills before starting topics. Oh and on side note i don't believe word your saying.
27X Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Sorry but this thread is incorrect on every level; in areas of the world where paid modding is de rigueur (russia,china, japan, korea), free mods still far and away outnumber paid content by an order of magnitude. Paywall modding was tried with the Sims and it was a spectacular clusterfuck, a certain Euro site already tried making paywall sex stuff and failed hilariously. The only thing this WILL do is separate the wheat from the chaff, and while some modders will certainly go for the "I only work for pay" route, that's not anything remotely new. GMOD is rife for pay-for-models content under the table, yet free still outweighs whalewarez by again, a literal order of magnitude. copyright You're either trolling or haven't the faintest fucking idea how copyright works. As a game designer and someone who created one of three Doom ]I[ TCs and the only AvP2 Tc in existence on planet earth that covers both MP and SP, I can safely say your specious and unfounded sturm und drang is entirely speculative at best and hilariously inaccurate at worst. Modding will surivive, and modding has survived worse, how quickly we forget that PC has just recently regained the gaming platform crown and what that meant for modding in general. Saying otherwise is either being deliberately ignorant or cartoonishly obtuse.
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