serenad3 Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 I gotta say, I'm a lurker but I read a lot of these forums. If this place became a pay site I'd probably quit gaming for good. Mods are the last bastion of "freedom" in a sea of nickle and diming, companies producing worse and worse games and expecting more and more money upfront, hell before the game is even released. However, I don't think this place is on such a short timer if at all.
Ceit Posted April 26, 2015 Author Posted April 26, 2015 Sorry but this thread is incorrect on every level; in areas of the world where paid modding is de rigueur (russia,china, japan, korea), free mods still far and away outnumber paid content by an order of magnitude. Paywall modding was tried with the Sims and it was a spectacular clusterfuck, a certain Euro site already tried making paywall sex stuff and failed hilariously. The only thing this WILL do is separate the wheat from the chaff, and while some modders will certainly go for the "I only work for pay" route, that's not anything remotely new. GMOD is rife for pay-for-models content under the table, yet free still outweighs whalewarez by again, a literal order of magnitude. copyright You're either trolling or haven't the faintest fucking idea how copyright works. As a game designer and someone who created one of three Doom ]I[ TCs and the only AvP2 Tc in existence on planet earth that covers both MP and SP, I can safely say your specious and unfounded sturm und drang is entirely speculative at best and hilariously inaccurate at worst. Modding will surivive, and modding has survived worse, how quickly we forget that PC has just recently regained the gaming platform crown and what that meant for modding in general. Saying otherwise is either being deliberately ignorant or cartoonishly obtuse. All i can say is that jerk offs like you who post, "I'm all this and I'm all that and because I know what I know you don't know squat... bla, bla, bla..." you schmucks are all so full of scrap. I couldn't give a shit about you or your your life or your opinion of me. Your post only proves what dick you actually are and how much you hate yourself that you felt so compelled to share the misery that is your life with me. Joy. I gotta say, I'm a lurker but I read a lot of these forums. If this place became a pay site I'd probably quit gaming for good. Mods are the last bastion of "freedom" in a sea of nickle and diming, companies producing worse and worse games and expecting more and more money upfront, hell before the game is even released. However, I don't think this place is on such a short timer if at all. Sorry but this thread is not about what you are talking about. There is already a thread for you to rant about pay for mods. This thread was an attempt to reach out to people and to have a type of "Think Tank" conversation and try to come up with a plan to fight back. Unfortunately it failed and if people want to continue to the mindless insults then go crazy. I don't get it but hey, it that's what gets you off and you feel better about yourself then you people can just go ahead and continue. It makes no difference to me. Really I'll be requesting that this thread be locked or not... I couldn't care less.
DustyK Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 You cannot open a thread in a public forum, then insult everyone who come in here to share an opinion you dont agree with. You can to that over at Tumblr.
lordofthedread Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 I disagree, at least for adult modding. To have the right to sell a product containing assets from a company or created with a company tool you would have to get permission from the said company. On the regular mods Bethesda is actually planning to make money off people making mods. I don't think they will encourage any form of adult mods (you might have seen that CBBE, while being one of the more popular mods on Nexus is not on Steam sales). I might be wrong but as underground as adult modding is I don't see it becoming a pay for mod anytime soon.
Brontis Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Ok Ceit, we got it. You are an unsung hero who is so much more intelligent than the rest of us dweebs and who predicted that market forces would eventually take over the modding community when no one else was sufficiently prescient to understand the quality of your genius. Yadda yadda yadda. Of course, Adam Smith might take umbrage with your point of view. All of this hand wringing regarding the demise of the modding experience due to the introduction of market forces is pathetic. Artists have the right to attempt to make money off of their creations. Consumers have a right to either hold those artists to a high standard regarding the quality of their art or not purchase it. Separate from the fact that so many (most?) of the thousands of mods that have been produced so far are not completely original works but are dependent upon the work of others (the need for Fores work is the best example used so far), most of those mods only have value because they have been free. There are exceptions to that statement (Fores again) but not that many. I would prefer that mods of all quality remain free as well (no kidding), I also uphold the right of an artist to want to profit from their works. All the bloated pontification aside, the market will decide whether or not the pay for mod model works or not. For that model to work several things would have to be true. First, the quality control process for making mods would have to improve considerably. How many mods have you used that were full of errors which either made the mod difficult to use or which interfered with other mods? How many mods have you used where the artist simply quit servicing the mod? How many mods have you used where the artist made claims about developing the mod in the future and then lost interest? How many mods have you used where, when you made an issue with the artist regarding a concern that you had, the artist's response was to dismiss your concern? These are not examples of profit worthy quality control. Second, the pay for mod service would need to be provided by a quality service/trustworthy vendor. That arguably leaves Steam out. Steam is the poster child for the "buyer beware" sales model. Have any of you ever tried to get assistance from Steam's customer service group? That assumes that you could figure out how you were supposed to contact them. It also assumes that they even exist. If consumers start paying $10-$15.00 for a mod and the above issues still pertain then people will quit buying mods. In addition, why would either the artist or the consumer trust a partnership between Steam and Bethesda? Bethesda may have great game concepts but they don't seem to have any more scruples than steam regarding shoving poor quality down the throats of the buying public. Anyone remember trying to play Fallout New Vegas out of the box? Third and most important, consumers would need to make sophisticated and knowledgeable buying decisions. If you are willing to pay good money for some pretty face that a modder stuck on some other modder's body model then you deserve to get fleeced. Everyone complains about Walmart and yet everyone shops at Walmart. If you don't like the pay for mod model, don't buy the mods. That will shut it down far more certainly and rapidly than whining about it. On the other hand, the consumer could take advantage of the pay for mod model. If they communicate and make buying decisions wisely they should have a far greater influence on what is produced for sale. Only buy those mods that are worthy of your money from those artists that focus on your interests and from a vendor worthy of your trust and the pay for mod model might just work out for everybody.
Kawauso Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Seeing how Besthesda don't even want to mention the possibility of sex between people (Pregnancy ? What's that ?) and how Vavle won't allow any sex oriented content on Steam I don't see why we should be concerned. Maybe when the Church starts selling pornography. I forgot to add that thanks to that content ratings system things can't just be so cut and dry for bringing in porn. I recall people around here talking about contents of oblivion having to change before release to satisfy some kind of content rating so the game would not get an AO or adults only rating? When these ratings are more strict then sales go down because parents don't let their kids play the things but with a rating friendly to kids the game sells the most. Like I said porn is a big taboo but that taboo status makes money and holds interest. Kids can and will buy drugs, violent video games and/or pornography. The ESRB does not work.
cadejocr Posted April 27, 2015 Posted April 27, 2015 will pay for adult mods? , yes. but first i demand quality. And that element is not present in skyrim because is full of bugs. Neither to say about mod dependencies, installation issues , etc. Porn is a bad thing that every body looks in the dark. Bethesda, steam, valve, microsoft, bioware,ea, etc. don't want us. So we have to support loverslab if we want raping, slavery mods and products like that. If everybody disperse and charge separately will not buy anything because no guarantee of quality , refund, support , etc. if the adult mods has quality and is a success probably Bethesda will jump to the scene against the site. Remember they control the game. Wish steam workshop allow adult stuff, so then ashal and other adult modders get the reward they deserve.
DoctaSax Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I'd like to consolidate the ongoing threads to this one. It's fitting; we hit a new chapter.
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