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A little warning to mod creators of non adult mods....

LordNecris

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Kargrin

Kargrin

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I see a major flaw in your thought process. You are obviously assuming that the old version will be available for download indefinitelly.

Schlangster can take the old version down any second after releasing 5.0.

I'm sure somone will make a backup of 4.1 and reupload it somewhere, but Schlangster will then file DMCA complaint. One after another.

He will keep doing so until all old version are gone from legal websites making torrents the only source of 4.1 and making distribution of 4.1 illegal.

Very sad.

 

The internet is a very large place, and pirates tend to not care about legal complaints.

 

 

 

Indeed, expect many torrents with "mod packs" from now on.

 

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Aenyalu

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You know what? I'm going to be sincere with myself about Skyrim, something I haven't done at all until now because I was too much of a fanboy to see. If this was an awesome title and the option for paid mods with an actually good deal had been there from the beginning, it wouldn't be so bad. But vanilla Skyrim is fucking mediocre, with a huge world but a tiny plot. Considering that I MUST absolutely play with mods in order to have fun with it, and that the series has extended its popularity and longetivity thanks to free mods, this move is beyond disgusting.

 

I dont think I would ever like the idea of paid mods, but I do have to agree with you on skyrim. I actually didn't like it too much when i was playing it on the xbox, but soon afterwards i tried it on the pc and with mods, it became my 3rd favorite game of all time. Where as Oblivion was like PFFFT no mods needed for me, but that could just be me being dumb..i dunno.

 

 

when skyrim first came out, i refused to play it after i saw how ugly the textures were.

 

 

Same here. I waited for over a year to play it, hoping that by then the modding community would have squashed lots of bugs and make it actually look good.

 

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badbat111

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I see a major flaw in your thought process. You are obviously assuming that the old version will be available for download indefinitelly.

Schlangster can take the old version down any second after releasing 5.0.

I'm sure somone will make a backup of 4.1 and reupload it somewhere, but Schlangster will then file DMCA complaint. One after another.

He will keep doing so until all old version are gone from legal websites making torrents the only source of 4.1 and making distribution of 4.1 illegal.

Very sad.

 

The internet is a very large place, and pirates tend to not care about legal complaints.

 

 

 

piracy the last hope for free mods

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torkenstiem

torkenstiem

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I see a major flaw in your thought process. You are obviously assuming that the old version will be available for download indefinitelly.

Schlangster can take the old version down any second after releasing 5.0.

I'm sure somone will make a backup of 4.1 and reupload it somewhere, but Schlangster will then file DMCA complaint. One after another.

He will keep doing so until all old version are gone from legal websites making torrents the only source of 4.1 and making distribution of 4.1 illegal.

Very sad.

 

The internet is a very large place, and pirates tend to not care about legal complaints.

 

 

 

piracy the last hope for free mods

 

 

heres hoping your ISP dont get a phone call cryin that youve downloaded sumpm illegally and they terminate your internet and sue you for an ungodly amount of money.

 

 

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badbat111

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I see a major flaw in your thought process. You are obviously assuming that the old version will be available for download indefinitelly.

Schlangster can take the old version down any second after releasing 5.0.

I'm sure somone will make a backup of 4.1 and reupload it somewhere, but Schlangster will then file DMCA complaint. One after another.

He will keep doing so until all old version are gone from legal websites making torrents the only source of 4.1 and making distribution of 4.1 illegal.

Very sad.

 

The internet is a very large place, and pirates tend to not care about legal complaints.

 

 

 

piracy the last hope for free mods

 

 

heres hoping your ISP dont get a phone call cryin that youve downloaded sumpm illegally and they terminate your internet and sue you for an ungodly amount of money.

 

 

 

 

only thing i do wrong is coming here for porn mods XD otherwise im offline most the time

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Nixea

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You know what? I'm going to be sincere with myself about Skyrim, something I haven't done at all until now because I was too much of a fanboy to see. If this was an awesome title and the option for paid mods with an actually good deal had been there from the beginning, it wouldn't be so bad. But vanilla Skyrim is fucking mediocre, with a huge world but a tiny plot. Considering that I MUST absolutely play with mods in order to have fun with it, and that the series has extended its popularity and longetivity thanks to free mods, this move is beyond disgusting.

 

I dont think I would ever like the idea of paid mods, but I do have to agree with you on skyrim. I actually didn't like it too much when i was playing it on the xbox, but soon afterwards i tried it on the pc and with mods, it became my 3rd favorite game of all time. Where as Oblivion was like PFFFT no mods needed for me, but that could just be me being dumb..i dunno.

 

 

when skyrim first came out, i refused to play it after i saw how ugly the textures were.

 

 

Same here. I waited for over a year to play it, hoping that by then the modding community would have squashed lots of bugs and make it actually look good.

 

 

 

I didn't need to mod Oblivion for quite some time, and even when I started it was mostly eyecandy stuff such as armor/races/whatever. Ditto with Morrowind. But Skyrim got dull incredibly fast after going through most of the vanilla content.

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Zor2k13

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Ultimately, most people are sheep and just don't give a dam anymore. People have seen so much corruption go unpunished they just don't care if any new corruption is found anymore. They don't expect anyone to do anything about it so why should they do anything about it? I don't think any society in the world right now will get rid of the sheep mentality.

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Dubhorizon

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All I can add to the matter is that paid modding will never really work. See the one reason I got into modding, was because mods are free. Most people did the same. Started using free mods, realized that maybe it's also possible for me to make mods and then the modding community provided all the help possible because it's a free, open source community. If everything gets monetized, then there will be no more mods, or modding. I hope there's enough backlash created that this notion will be abandoned as soon as possible. Bethesda and Valve should realize that the only thing that kept Skyrim modding wasn't it's mods, but the fact that those mods are freely available.

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Zor2k13

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What if all this is just some dam marketing experiment? They just need data and have no intention of doing anything long term even with the data? Just some bs metric they can throw around during bargaining discussions with other companies trying to get on steam?

 

Maybe this is an ongoing argument between valve and bugfesta? Maybe beth trying to throw their weight around and valve saying "see we told you so and your not that big after all so cough up more money for continued steam sales" maybe this is all a bargaining argument for FO4 next es game on steam?

 

We are victims of greedy people arguments like george burns making a bet with smithers or those two stock market guys from that eddie murphy movie?

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Warrunner

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So, right, take this from the perspective of someone who is not actually a lawyer.

 

The reason any video game comes with an EULA is that it is effectively a contract where the user agrees to not break the copyright laws for that game. Technically, mods are illegal in the US, but nobody actually prosecutes. Sort of a gentlemens agreement.

 

Now, this is relevant because of the following: You buy a steam mod and then openly and publically pirate it and start giving it away for free. At this point, a content creator may attempt to sue you to make you stop, but it becomes a catch-22. Because for them to bring legal action against a pirate they have to admit to using assets extant from the game itself, which is in of itself under copyright. Bethesda then has to defend its copyright against the original content creator, because if you don't actively defend your copyright in court in the US, you will lose it. Furthermore, as I understand it, the IP holder has to sue based on its perceived damages, which basically states what it values its IP at.

 

Therefor, to stop someone from pirating a mod, you have to win a court case against a corporate lawyer from Bethesda/Zenimax.

 

Which means open season.

 

 

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demack

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So, right, take this from the perspective of someone who is not actually a lawyer.

 

The reason any video game comes with an EULA is that it is effectively a contract where the user agrees to not break the copyright laws for that game. Technically, mods are illegal in the US, but nobody actually prosecutes. Sort of a gentlemens agreement.

 

Now, this is relevant because of the following: You buy a steam mod and then openly and publically pirate it and start giving it away for free. At this point, a content creator may attempt to sue you to make you stop, but it becomes a catch-22. Because for them to bring legal action against a pirate they have to admit to using assets extant from the game itself, which is in of itself under copyright. Bethesda then has to defend its copyright against the original content creator, because if you don't actively defend your copyright in court in the US, you will lose it. Furthermore, as I understand it, the IP holder has to sue based on its perceived damages, which basically states what it values its IP at.

 

Therefor, to stop someone from pirating a mod, you have to win a court case against a corporate lawyer from Bethesda/Zenimax.

 

Which means open season.

They will adjust the EULA to allow use of the assets in APPROVED mods. OH, and since the only place they will be approved is on Steam ... Guess what..

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Youwish1

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I'll bet you have to pay a subscription for playing a solo game.

 

Oh and solo game comes in chapters also.

 

Elder Scroll VI chapter 1 50$ please 50 hours gameplay

Elder Scroll VI chapter 2 50$ please next 50 hours of gameplay

 

You prolly get full game but if you pay 50 $ rest of game still behind paywalls if you want next area 50$ or stay behind paywall.

 

I'LL BET YAH PEOPLE MASSES will gladly pay for this.

 

Hey is capitalism right FUCK YOU :angry:

 

and so on.

Lol isn't it fucked how people do that? thye just go meh who cares i have money, but the reality is this is not about money at all, i could buy $120 worth of $1 mods a day if i wanted to. But its not the goddamn point!.

Aren't people sick of taking it up the ass by companies?, i swear that the smart people with valid opinions get swept under the rug and the retards are like hurrrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrrr lets pay for mods cuz im stupid and have no intelligence hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. And those dudes have their voices heard and its fucking gay, because they bought mods and you know what they say...money speaks louder than words!.

 

Sorry for my bad grammar i just woke up LMAO and have not been here for the last day, did anything good happen at least?. I know SkyUI team still sucks caaack :P

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Vacaliga

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Jeees this is still going?

 

Valve and Beth tried something, people didn't like it so it didn't work out, end of story.

 

I mean really what have changed? Other than a few imo brilliant mod authors getting deathtreaths for trying to take their hobby to the next logical step, i don't seem to see much change.

 

And speaking of that, I started my current career on a hobby level. doing stuff for free, favors here and there, later i was able to make some extra money of it and ultimately turn it into my fulltime job in my own business. i guess i should just eat a bullet right now since it would seem i have committed not only one but two deadly sins, one making a profit from my hobby and two making a business with the goal to make more money. I wonder where the line is between being a business and being an evil greedy business?

 

And if it's really such a bad thing it will resolve itself all on its own without the need for an army of internet pitchforks, like the saying against censorship goes: Let the person speak and if his words are truly wicked they will in turn insure his his downfall. and if Valves plan is to fuck its customers it don't really matter if the customer bitches about it, but if the customer is not there to be fucked Valve can only fuck themselves.

 

But but but they owe it to there fans to not be evil and stuff cause we made them what they are blablabla. Alright let's get this straight Valve, Beth, Blizzard, Rockstar, Lord Gabe who ever you like to call god in this matter owes you jack shit, just as you don't owe them anything, they made a product, you bought the product or you didnt, end of transaction something for something etc. If you choose to be a fan and praise them that's all on you.

 

Picture this if you will: I have been getting milk from a milkman for many years and i have been happy with that milk i have recommended it to friends and family, but one day the milkman decides he going to sell his milk to the company Mighty Milks, because they liked his milk and they want take part of that by offering to bring him into their fold, but now i have to buy my milk at the store instead. but wait how could he do this me? so i confront him yelling SHAME ON YOU! as your loyal customer you owe it to me to continue doing things they way i want you too, because you owe me everything mr milky man! terrified by this outburst the milkman calls his wife and tells her that they might need to cancel the vacation they both so badly needed after years of hard work, but my outburst had done its damage, and the milkman had face that he was never going to fulfill his dream of getting his own cows and plants to produce the milk he really wanted to make while being able to provide for his family.

Clearly the milkman is a jackass here, but really the true villains where those bastards over at Mighty Milk trying to enable him to make money of his product to mutual benefits for them.

 

Moral of the story is: Just because you are a user, consumer and or fan of something or someone does mean that they are now in debt to you in any way, and if you don't like what they are doing now in compare what they used to do. don't use or buy there product, and if you really want what they used to do so bad, go get your own cow and make your own freaking milk, don't know how to make milk?

 

Well learn! 

 

 

Sorry if that got a bit ranty, like many others i was shall we say sceptical of this at first and had a lot of questions in my mind, but seeing how the community have responded to this made me cry a little. 

 

 

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Warrunner

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Ugh, I made a mod converting my first playthrough character (a Khajiit sneakthief) into a hirable NPC in Riften. It took me about an hour and I had zero experience with the creation kit at all.

 

I guess if I ever need to replace the transmission on my car I'll just post it to steam. :angel:

 

Edit: I also just had a thought: Absolutely nothing in the steam agreement says that the person uploading the mod can't work for the company that released the game. What stops them from having an intern or two updating FNIS and SKSE to the new version of the engine for Fallout 4 or the inevitable Elder Scrolls 6 and release them for 15 dollars apiece 30 seconds after the game goes live?

 

You want the moddable version? That'll be 90 dollars please.

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