ZaZ Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Modders are getting 25% of the sales lol rest goto to Bethesda and Valve I suppose They'll sale face for a quick buck. Probably would have gotten more with donations and saved face oh well. the latter not entirely accurate I can assure you that........ None of the Adult mods are going to be there anyways so it may not affect LL mods much I hope ............. Can agree with a donate button though or the variable price thing but then again some of the prices are outrageous lol 5 USD for a Follower Mod Certainly can do good for people who could not doing well financially or could use the extra cash for upgrades etc (May sound like an ass ) but some people could benefit out of this, I know I could too cause I'm poor as fuck and struggling RL for quite a while now. But on whole its bad Idea it wont kill modding but it would kinda be a bit fucked up , but adult mods are safe I guess. My worry more lies along the lies of dependencies for the adult mods that could exist in the SW paid-for ecology, which would then start gating access to the adult community and basically cause things to start death spiralling. I guess it was inevitable that Beth would want to start reaping their share of that sweet, sweet workshop cash, but goddamn. Yes , but I think LL can combat by not using or using/creating options that can avoid the paid mods I have faith in the very talented modders here I am sure that I would never set a dependency on anything behind a paywall, but apparently people are starting to move even existing mods behind the paywall, so there is no guarantee that one day we won't wake up to one of our dependencies being a paid mod. Thankfully most of what we do only relies on stuff also hosted here, but there are plenty of LL mods having external dependencies. Death Alternative, Life Another Life, various hair and armor packs. You name it. I guess in the future we will have to be extra careful about what we build upon. In general, I'd just wish they had set up a "pay whatever you think it's worth" system instead of a hard paywall. We all know that donations aren't going to work (nobody ever donates for stuff they already have, it's just one of the basic truths of the internet), so a little nudge of the "You know...the person who made this mod has sunk hundreds of hours into it, don't you think s/he deserves a little reward?" kind before downloading would be ok. Allowing the user to set the price would solve a lot of issues the idea currently has, namely many of us using each others' resources. "pay whatever you think it's worth" that seems good though , so it best avoid the mods which are paid or avoid nexus mods altogether
The Duke Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Remember when mod users acted entitled despite the fact that they didn't even paid for the mods? I wonder how these users will react if they buy a mod and for some reason it doesn't work as intended. Pretty much no longer is 'its free' an excuse. I believe you only have 24 hours for a refund also. W&C for example is a complete rewrite so who knows what issues it has.
Adam Jensen Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Outside of Wet and Cold, what other mods are being moved behind the paywall? It's a matter of time, I suppose. The precedence is there, others are likely to follow. No, I don't have a crystal ball, but I would be surprised not to see it more frequently down the road. This just doesn't make sense to me. Modding isn't like DLC. With DLC, you make the purchase and you expect it to work from the get go. But with modding there are a lot of steps that you need to take care of (load order, fnis, etc, etc.). A lot of times when you install a mod, you are not even sure if it will work. So how then can they make a system where you pay for things that you are not even sure that they are gonna work with what you have? I can see it going in one of two ways: 1) The paid workshop will consist mainly of cosmetic things like swords and armors, and the meaty mods will not be added. 2) Script intensive, mods with requirements will be included, which will in turn create a massive chaos when people run into trouble while trying to play with these mods.
Kaz Aanh Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 hmm my 900 hours of messing around with the ck might pay off.....jk Brb creating bikinis to earn money from the horny kids. Modders are getting 25% of the sales lol rest goto to Bethesda and Valve I suppose If thats true now I understand all these 5 euro followers. But even what about a ripped content? What if you follower uses other modder's work? Like skin textures ,eyes? Imo I think a donation system for steam workshop authors would be a lot better. If you feel like modder is doing a nice job ,drop a cent into his pocket.
Broccoli Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I'm really not liking the idea of allowing modders to have the option of putting up an paywall on their mods. I could totally see the disaster happening right now! Greedy modders will remove their existing free mods on the sites they have uploaded and those "free mods" will be turned into mods with price tags on them. So the only way to test/get those priced mods is by buying it. There will be even more Steam Workshop exclusive priced mods than free ones. Let's not forget that clever scammers will see this as a opportunity to scam people and earn money. Modding popularity is definitely going to be decreased by a large amount = less advertising for the game developer like Bethesda and it can also mean less game sales for them. It will be a different case, if it's like an optional feature like you really loved the modders hard work and you want to support them with money which can be easily done by donating whatever amount as you like so basically a donate button I'm totally supporting this donating feature as long as it's optional and doesn't require gamers to pay to gain access to the mods. By the way, does Bethesda and Valve gain anything from doing this? if they are getting some of the money then i could totally see why they are supporting this =.=. Freaking disgusting greedy assholes! Sharing free user originally created content is a part of PC Gaming, It's also the main reason why i love gaming on PC!. Turning it into a priced user created content aka priced mods pretty much ruins all of it!
Adam Jensen Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Apparently you need to at least make $400, before you can actually receive payment.
ZaZ Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Modders are getting 25% of the sales lol rest goto to Bethesda and Valve I suppose If thats true now I understand all these 5 euro followers. But even what about a ripped content? What if you follower uses other modder's work? Like skin textures ,eyes? Imo I think a donation system for steam workshop authors would be a lot better. If you feel like modder is doing a nice job ,drop a cent into his pocket. I don't think that would/should be allowed to use ripped content from other mods Can Agree modders can be greedy too ,Very few people give donations it doesn't work how mod users think it does, not that mod makers are entitled to ask for pay just to update either
Kimy Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Outside of Wet and Cold, what other mods are being moved behind the paywall? It's a matter of time, I suppose. The precedence is there, others are likely to follow. No, I don't have a crystal ball, but I would be surprised not to see it more frequently down the road. This just doesn't make sense to me. Modding isn't like DLC. With DLC, you make the purchase and you expect it to work from the get go. But with modding there are a lot of steps that you need to take care of (load order, fnis, etc, etc.). A lot of times when you install a mod, you are not even sure if it will work. So how then can they make a system where you pay for things that you are not even sure that they are gonna work with what you have? I can see it going in one of two ways: 1) The paid workshop will consist mainly of cosmetic things like swords and armors, and the meaty mods will not be added. 2) Script intensive, mods with requirements will be included, which will in turn create a massive chaos when people run into trouble while trying to play with these mods. Mods are just software like any other. Some have more bugs, some less. Some have specific requirements, like having this and that other component set up in this and that manner. "Needs 4GB of RAM and 25 GB HDD space" isn't fundamentally different from "Needs SKSE and ZaZ Animation Pack". What matters is that the requirements are stated clearly, so people know what they have to do when downloading this mod. It's basically what we do even now, so that's NOT the problem. Interoperability with other people's mods is. Who's responsible if my mod refuses to run on sombody's installation because another mod put such heavy load on Papyrus that my mod cannot function properly anymore? It will be in interesting question for Valve to sort out, but hey, they take 75% of the profits, so they can get involved a bit for that.
Tensu_Makadi Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 None of the Adult mods are going to be there anyways so it may not affect LL mods much I hope ............. Can agree with a donate button though or the variable price thing but then again some of the prices are outrageous lol 5 USD for a Follower Mod Certainly can do good for people who could not doing well financially or could use the extra cash for upgrades etc (May sound like an ass ) but some people could benefit out of this, I know I could too cause I'm poor as fuck and struggling RL for quite a while now. But on whole its bad Idea it wont kill modding but it would kinda be a bit fucked up , but adult mods are safe I guess. I'm not so sure they are safe... Sure they won't die off but I think the quality will slowly wither and disappear as the guys who make some really awesome stuff, like you, need money and thus start focusing on making what will get them that money guaranteed. Also I'm not opposed to donations but forced payment... and I'm sorry a 24 hour limit on the refund... I usually spend at least a week testing a new mod for several reasons compatibility being one of them. I mean its all well and good to say ok here are these paid mods if you don't like it refund it within the first 24 hours but how many people are going to actually be able to test the really big mods like PerMa in 24 hours, that's a huge freaking mod and I don't know about anyone else but I don't have more then 2-3 hours to play a day usually and if something is wrong with the mod there is a good chance it's going to take more then a day to figure it out. With that said I have huge concerns about mod compatibilities. I'm going to be upset when I pay $5-$10 each for 2-3 really awesome mods only to find out they are not compatible with one another.
Guest Vendayn Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Supposedly, someone has already made 94 dollars off of this. I think its the ineed/wet and cold guy, but no name was said. And its just someone who "supposedly" (dunno if its true) knows the guy who put up a paid mod. If he made that much money, I'm putting up my mod to be paid for. Thats 94 dollars in a REALLY short time period. Get a whole bunch of free games that I would never be able to afford for a long time. I don't care what people think rofl. I'll take the money and run with it (edit: If it is true. Not too surprised. With all the press and views these mods are getting, there is bound to people who go "let me throw my money away"
injunct Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 The next step in the destruction of fun in games.
Saeros Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Gaben, greedy fat bastard.. Bethesda.. ESO is shit and now do you want to earn money on the modder works? ..Skyrim modding is a FREE hobby.. I come to seek and destroy your bullshit..
ZaZ Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 None of the Adult mods are going to be there anyways so it may not affect LL mods much I hope ............. Can agree with a donate button though or the variable price thing but then again some of the prices are outrageous lol 5 USD for a Follower Mod Certainly can do good for people who could not doing well financially or could use the extra cash for upgrades etc (May sound like an ass ) but some people could benefit out of this, I know I could too cause I'm poor as fuck and struggling RL for quite a while now. But on whole its bad Idea it wont kill modding but it would kinda be a bit fucked up , but adult mods are safe I guess. I'm not so sure they are safe... Sure they won't die off but I think the quality will slowly wither and disappear as the guys who make some really awesome stuff, like you, need money and thus start focusing on making what will get them that money guaranteed. Also I'm not opposed to donations but forced payment... and I'm sorry a 24 hour limit on the refund... I usually spend at least a week testing a new mod for several reasons compatibility being one of them. I mean its all well and good to say ok here are these paid mods if you don't like it refund it within the first 24 hours but how many people are going to actually be able to test the really big mods like PerMa in 24 hours, that's a huge freaking mod and I don't know about anyone else but I don't have more then 2-3 hours to play a day usually and if something is wrong with the mod there is a good chance it's going to take more then a day to figure it out. With that said I have huge concerns about mod compatibilities. I'm going to be upset when I pay $5-$10 each for 2-3 really awesome mods only to find out they are not compatible with one another. Thats quite true , Focus would be lost if one is lured towards the specific $ making mods. Most modders would make mods that reel in the cash if I wanted to earn I would have headed to second life but cant afford a better net connection and for some reason Second Life is harsher on resources for my crappy PC and I dont enjoy SL so much as I do Skyrim PS: I'm not planning to put anything of ZAP up on steam it seems enticing but may not be right
dobmc Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Just saw the news this morning. Way to go for starting my day like this. Not going to waste time bitching like everyone else but seeing something like You done fucked up good. I don't care if this controversy gets taken down in a month, week, or day. You done fucked up real good already. ESO is still shit btw.
ao2thend Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Well I was having a good day... Honestly, this is the stupidest thing that could possibly happen to modding, ever. I'm not totally opposed to the idea of supporting mod authors with a few bucks, but the fact that they probably don't even get most of the profit is pathetic. So lets call it for what it is, which is a easy way for Steam and Bethesda to get a few bucks off of other people's work. Why would any mod author sign up for this? They are essentially signing on to work for these companies, doing 100% of the work, and only getting a small portion of the revenue. If this doesn't stop, it could kill interest in modding. I'm not going to be able to pay for 200+ mods just for one game. I probably downloaded over 500-1000 mods in my years modding Skryim, and if I had to pay for each mod I downloaded, I'd be financially fucked. So then what would be to point of modding? I could see some people spend a few bucks on a couple of mods but no one's going to mod like they do now if they have to pay for it. And then who will care about modding? People will lose interest because they can't attain the content they want without spending far too much, and without a market, mod authors won't get any financial benefit, and the whole thing will just dissolve. Paying for mods makes no sense to anyone who actually knows anything about the community. So we can see just how little these companies actually know and care about their consumer base. This makes me real scared about what shitty practices Fallout 4 might have.
sparrowjuice Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Well, does this mean that Bethesda will go back and fix Skyrim's stability to make it not crash every 5 mins when heavily modded?
ToJKa Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Well, i'll be spending the weekend downloading and archiving mods before they disappear from free sites. Oh well, at least i no longer need to buy BGS games and complain how many mods i need to make them worth playing
Guest Suited Prawns Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 The next step in the destruction of fun in games. Don't be dramatic, fun wont be removed but fun is a day one dlc for 69.99$
Ploms Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 putting a price tag on mods is disgusting and it really pisses me off
Quisling Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Q: Wet and Cold uses SKSE right? Isn't SKSE under GNU? So wouldn't Wet and Cold, being derivative off SKSE be illegal if sold? SKSE appears to use the MIT licence, which is effectively "do whatever you want." If it was under GNU, that wouldn't stop mods using it being sold though. Except for one special situation, the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL) has no requirements about how much you can charge for distributing a copy of free software. You can charge nothing, a penny, a dollar, or a billion dollars. It's up to you, and the marketplace, so don't complain to us if nobody wants to pay a billion dollars for a copy.
bjornk Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Except, the SKSE team itself might get on the Workshop bandwagon and start demanding money for it. Say, how 'bout 20 bucks? A lot of mods require it, you know.
PFK Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 a petition was born on change.org https://www.change.org/p/valve-remove-the-paid-content-of-the-steam-workshop
HopliteZ Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Remember when mod users acted entitled despite the fact that they didn't even paid for the mods? I wonder how these users will react if they buy a mod and for some reason it doesn't work as intended. Oh you better feel fucking entitled now because now you become the fucking customer, the mod author locked his mod behind a paywall and if im going to pay for it i better get my mod on a DLC working level, now the developer cant abandon the mod and he essentially works for the customer and not for his own pleasure because the money is in our wallet still, vote with your wallet and stuff. So yeah you better start feeling damn entiteled now towards the paywalled mods.. (Had to do this mini rant lol :$) I would wait 6 month for a modder to realese his mod for free with my mouth shut but when there's a paywall involved...
evilsabre Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 -sigh- guess i'm gona need to start building my own mods now..... Honestly this is a huge mistake by any author atm in my opinion, the vast majority of users hate this change and i for one will not be supporting it donations i was fine with but a pay wall is something i will never endorse since it causes huge issues with copyright etc and will almost certainly be abused.
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