[WIP] Domina - Turn your female follower into a Domme

[enkephalin07]

Wow, this mod looks like it takes topping from the bottom to an extreme.

[Adorkable]

 

• Monogamy - Ooh kinky. Well, at least for LL.  I'll need to juggle some stuff around to make it a viable option, but I can see the appeal and it won't be that much work.  It shall be done.  Question for people interested in this: If you married someone other than the domme, would you consider both the domme and your spouse to be acceptable sexual partners (yes, I realize this would be bigamy not monogamy, stop nitpicking)?  Also, in this circumstance, how would you feel about your domme sexually interacting with your spouse?

 

 

(I believe I was the only one who mentioned this, heh. I'm sorry, LL, I'm a bad, bad deviant.)

In my case, it's like this: I would either marry my domme or not marry at all. No 'cheating'. (I use that word loosely, because it's not really cheating if all parties are okay with it.) So that situation won't apply to me. If it did happen, however, having my two partners have sex with each other instead of me? Hell to the no.

Other people would probably enjoy that though, even if it's not a kink I can understand.

 

Basically, people who want monogamy really bad, like me, probably won't marry someone else in the first place. So I think you can do whatever you want with that scenario. Go wild.

I'll stick to my sick, sick fantasies of monogamy and lovingly kinky relationships.

[AlericoftheNords]

 

So a few topics I've been seeing pop up:

 

MCM configuration of Fetishes:

Definitely planned.  My goal is for MCM fetishes is to allow the player to turn fetishes on and off, set limits on how intense the fetish gets, and current intensity level.  That said, I've never set-up a MCM menu before, so we'll see how successful I am.  Doesn't look too hard.  There will also be dialogue ways to do each of these as well which is already in place.

The plan right now is for fetishes to default on and for the player to have to choose to turn them off.

 

Mod Dependencies: 

I want to keep the dependencies as limited as possible, but I keep seeing tempting thing I could do if I just added one more requirement...

So, my plan is for the initial release to only directly require Devious Devices (Assets, Integration, and Expansion) and their prerequisites.  All other mod interactions will be indirect, e.g. Deviously Helpless triggering rape because your Domme put you in an armbinder and made you run through a bandit camp.

This may change with subsequent improvements, especially if I can set-up them up as soft dependencies like PsiMage mentioned.

 

Fetishes/Scenarios:

• No-win scenarios - Don't know if I'm devious/wicked enough to come-up with many good ones that work within Skyrim, but I'm sure I can make up a couple.  Will definitely include, possible to win versions as well so you're never quite sure what's coming.
• Abandonment Scenarios - I was already thinking about a couple tangentially related things.  One is slapping a bounty on you and turning you over to the guards, fun with Prison Overhaul, boring without.  She'd warn you first so you can stash stolen goods.  The other is locking you up in the wilderness in some devices a la Captured Dream.  I'll have to think about bondage options where you have to negotiate your freedom from passersby.  I agree that a level of user interaction must be maintained or the game gets boring (at least for me).
• Watersports - Zaz makes urinating easy.  Cleaning up after the domme probably wouldn't be that hard, call her urinate, then you licking her animations one after the other.  Golden showers looks like it would require a new animation, so probably a no at first, maybe at a later point.  Forced to hold it isn't fun without Private Needs, so that would probably wait for later as well.  If someone else wants to do something with scat play, they're welcome to.  I'm not going there.
• Bestiality - not sure if this was more mentioned as something someone wanted or as something they wanted to be able to turn off.  Either way, doing bestiality right means adding to the mod list, so not at first, maybe later.
• Crawling Sneak Animation - Interesting discussion.  This sounds like it is beyond my current level of ability, or at least comfort level.  While learning more and stretching my abilities is good, this sounds like it would add a not insignificant level of complexity.  So I am going to give it a pass, at least for now.  Maybe once I've got a stable build, I'll take another look.
• Monogamy - Ooh kinky. Well, at least for LL.  I'll need to juggle some stuff around to make it a viable option, but I can see the appeal and it won't be that much work.  It shall be done.  Question for people interested in this: If you married someone other than the domme, would you consider both the domme and your spouse to be acceptable sexual partners (yes, I realize this would be bigamy not monogamy, stop nitpicking)?  Also, in this circumstance, how would you feel about your domme sexually interacting with your spouse?

 

 

On the monogamy, I think having the Domme having sex with the Spouse would be awesome 'degradation'/humilitation, so that's a definite yes from me.

 

Same with having the Domme have sex with the player.

 

I guess that is just basically monogamy with the added kink of the Domme more or less 'dominating' the relationship.

 

[Davinci]

I'd like to add foot fetish among the others as a suggestion, like footslavery animations or foot worship, if possible, good luck on your modding and well done.

[aqqh]

Atm there is just one animation of that - very good one, but still just one. So I guess requests like that should be addressed to animators not mod makers.

[Davinci]

Atm there is just one animation of that - very good one, but still just one. So I guess requests like that should be addressed to animators not mod makers.

Well, then i dont know who should i address for that, but it would be nice to see it implemented on this mod too. Do you know how to find that animation btw?

[AlericoftheNords]

 

Atm there is just one animation of that - very good one, but still just one. So I guess requests like that should be addressed to animators not mod makers.

Well, then i dont know who should i address for that, but it would be nice to see it implemented on this mod too. Do you know how to find that animation btw?

 

 

The only foot animation I'm aware of is included standard in SexLab Framework, and you access it the same you would any other animation.

 

Best way, probably, is to use either SexLab Submit or Romance, and then use the "Surprise Me" or "Whatever you like" or "Let's see where things take us" dialogue option so you can play all the animations, and it should be there.

[idonotlikeusernames]

Bootlicking animations would be nice to have though.....

[Kendo 2]

I have a suggestion/request: For public humiliation, how about a 'walk the pet' scenario?  In the major towns like Markarth, Whiterun or Solitude (not Windhelm, too cold and creepy) the Dom will force greet the player (random chance) and insist on parading the player around wearing nothing but an armbinder (would require Devious Devices obviuosly).  The scripting to force the player to follow already exists in the crime overhaul mod.  Anyway...

 

There are patrol makers in every town and you could use those for pathing, having the Dom stop every so often to switch the player with a crop.  Their ultimate destination would be the local tavern where the player is 'rewarded' by having to orally service a few male locals (maybe three back to back) and then a forced orgasm in front of the tavern patrons.

 

Concerning things to be punished for, simply bumping into something would be enough.  Vanilla NPCs already have dialogue for when the player crashes into things so the scripted conditions already exist.

 

Lots of good ideas in this thread for something that was a good idea to begin with.

[GaiusTerminus]

Wow, this mod looks like it takes topping from the bottom to an extreme.

 

Because one of the people in the relationship isn't actually a person.

[Someone92]

What I would like to see is that the follower starts a D/S relationship with you on her own account, not a dialog where you ask her to be your dom.

E.g. if you're wearing Devious Devices gear your follower offers you to remove them if you agree to be submissive to her in the future. Or she sees you in DD gear and likes it (though she doesn't mention it to you) and some time after you've freed yourself from it she will start the dom quest.

[Contessa]

I'm not sure if it's already in the plans, but I'd like for the type of relationship to be formed via dialogue. Not outright, in-your-face choices, but how you respond to your follower would set the tone, so to speak. If you choose more bashful, submissive type responses to certain questions then you would move into the being their sub territory, whereas if you chose more assertive, dominant type responses, the "slider" would move towards them being more submissive to you.

 

I'm big on dialogue in mods and love when they have it, so most of my ideas are like that.

[Davinci]

I'm not sure if it's already in the plans, but I'd like for the type of relationship to be formed via dialogue. Not outright, in-your-face choices, but how you respond to your follower would set the tone, so to speak. If you choose more bashful, submissive type responses to certain questions then you would move into the being their sub territory, whereas if you chose more assertive, dominant type responses, the "slider" would move towards them being more submissive to you.

 

I'm big on dialogue in mods and love when they have it, so most of my ideas are like that.

That is a very good idea, +1 from me:)

[OH1972]

 

 

 

 

On the monogamy, I think having the Domme having sex with the Spouse would be awesome 'degradation'/humilitation, so that's a definite yes from me.

 

Same with having the Domme have sex with the player.

 

I guess that is just basically monogamy with the added kink of the Domme more or less 'dominating' the relationship.

 

 

 

Well, Domme having sex is one thing, but since we're talking control, how about the player having to ask the Domme before having sex with the spouse?

After all, the Domme might believe the player does not deserve to get off?

And if the PC has sex with the spouse without asking first, there will be punishment...

 

Not sure how easy that would be to implement.

 

The Domme might also tell the PC what to do "You may service your spouse with a strapon, but you're not allowed to cum yourself"

 

Now realistically, all that might also have repercussions for the relationship, but that's probably even more complicated...

[sou2k2]

Looks very promising. Having tried msex veronica in new vegas, i wonder why we don't have something like this in Skyrim.

[Bytecon]

Perhaps a small quest where you have to find a missing sumisive or something could set the stage for the player to become a willing submisive through dialog rather than and instant action. Would give the oportunity to intoduce the topic and set the stage for it. Possibly a roadside encounter with someone needing help to rescue another npc kidnaped by bandits, these NPC's could introduce the concept to the player during the course of a short quest.

I wonder how much changes to the vanilla followers this will make, with housecarls practically being the players slave already, it would be a big change to reverse that role if you tried to keep this 'lore friendly' and follow the story line.

[Kendo 2]

I wonder how much changes to the vanilla followers this will make, with housecarls practically being the players slave already, it would be a big change to reverse that role if you tried to keep this 'lore friendly' and follow the story line.

Easy enough to omit the NPCs in the PlayerHousecarl Faction.  The globals and script conditions already exist to provide them with object ownership (beds) and dialogue (What do you need, my Thane?).  Just as easy to add those to conditions in the added dialogue to block them from saying those lines.

 

And I think the vanilla housecarls are VERY annoying.  No way in HELL I would want to answer to them.  Looking at the mod concept, the only vanilla hireling I think fits the bill is Uthgred (sp?) the Unbroken.  She's already a domineering butch type anyway.  Perfect for a LezDom NPC.  Just need to fix her looks. 

 

Hopefully there will be Faction specific dialogue that uses vanilla voice types.  That way any NPC could be added to the Faction and become a Dom.  If they are in the faction, they can say the lines.  Pretty basic really.

 

[Jayleia]

 

I wonder how much changes to the vanilla followers this will make, with housecarls practically being the players slave already, it would be a big change to reverse that role if you tried to keep this 'lore friendly' and follow the story line.

Easy enough to omit the NPCs in the PlayerHousecarl Faction.  The globals and script conditions already exist to provide them with object ownership (beds) and dialogue (What do you need, my Thane?).  Just as easy to add those to conditions in the added dialogue to block them from saying those lines.

 

And I think the vanilla housecarls are VERY annoying.  No way in HELL I would want to answer to them.  Looking at the mod concept, the only vanilla hireling I think fits the bill is Uthgred (sp?) the Unbroken.  She's already a domineering butch type anyway.  Perfect for a LezDom NPC.  Just need to fix her looks. 

 

Hopefully there will be Faction specific dialogue that uses vanilla voice types.  That way any NPC could be added to the Faction and become a Dom.  If they are in the faction, they can say the lines.  Pretty basic really.

I do like Uthgerd for that role, she'd need no encouragement...but I could also see the housecarls also being able to be talked into taking charge, at least in a way that won't embarass their Thane publically.  They might come see themselves as serving their Thane, keeping them happy by fulfilling their needs, and keeping them safe by  removing the need to go looking for other ways to satisfy their needs which might be dangerous.

[Kendo 2]

My issue with the vanilla housecarls is two-fold; their AI (from combat to Sandboxing) is a pathetic and lazy joke.  If a modder added NPCs to an upload with the same qualities as the housecarls they'd be laughed at.  Secondly is their dialogue, or lack thereof.  What do you need, my Thane.  Honor to you, my Thane.  What do you need, my Thane.  Honor to you, my Thane. ECT.  They are ANNOYING.

 

I can't imagine a Dom NPC saying 'Honor to you, my Thane.' after a serious round of BDSM.  Maybe if the housecarls' dialogue was overridden somehow, then maybe they could fill the role.  I just can't see Lydia's stupid ass being in charge of anything other than charging blindly into combat and taking a knee after two hits from a Boss level NPC.  The housecarls are worthless, IMO.

 

I think a better solution would be the Dom not only taking charge of the Player, but also the Player's household and housecarls.  In essence, the housecarls become the bitches bitch.  The lowest on the totem pole of Dom/Sub hierarchy.  Instead of Sandboxing, playing musical chairs and munching on bread loaves all day, make them do all of the housework.  Sweep, cook, etc.

 

Amyway, that's my take on it.

[matrixaran]

 

 

• Monogamy - Ooh kinky. Well, at least for LL.  I'll need to juggle some stuff around to make it a viable option, but I can see the appeal and it won't be that much work.  It shall be done.  Question for people interested in this: If you married someone other than the domme, would you consider both the domme and your spouse to be acceptable sexual partners (yes, I realize this would be bigamy not monogamy, stop nitpicking)?  Also, in this circumstance, how would you feel about your domme sexually interacting with your spouse?

 

 

(I believe I was the only one who mentioned this, heh. I'm sorry, LL, I'm a bad, bad deviant.)

In my case, it's like this: I would either marry my domme or not marry at all. No 'cheating'. (I use that word loosely, because it's not really cheating if all parties are okay with it.) So that situation won't apply to me. If it did happen, however, having my two partners have sex with each other instead of me? Hell to the no.

Other people would probably enjoy that though, even if it's not a kink I can understand.

 

Basically, people who want monogamy really bad, like me, probably won't marry someone else in the first place. So I think you can do whatever you want with that scenario. Go wild.

I'll stick to my sick, sick fantasies of monogamy and lovingly kinky relationships.

 

 

Hey you're not alone! I also wouldn't mind having an option for monogamy, though at the same time I also could imagine some characters where it would be interesting having a three way relationship, with wife and Domme, and sometimes as a punishment, having the Domme leave you sitting on the sidelines while there's fun to be had with the wife.

 

I quite liked the Veronica D/s mod for Fallout, and I've been quietly lamenting the lack of something similar in Skyrim, so I'm really happy to see this mod taking off.

[wulfgear09]

 Maybe just make a new set of npcs possibly voiced and geared for just this mod or even better, when you make another npc your dom then it is over ridden to a new AI controlled bye the mod . I have been working on learning to script (and poorly I may add) to make a ImmerSlave add on so you start with a owner with their own agenda ie peddler, slaver, trader

or adventurer that forces the Player to fight /fuck and keep the Dom alive or poof 5k bounties everywhere....wow i ramble along .

 

 Anyways is it possible to just over write or clone an npc and give it a new AI?

[aqqh]

 Anyways is it possible to just over write or clone an npc and give it a new AI?

Paradise Halls does exactly that when you enslave an NPC.

[Jayleia]

My issue with the vanilla housecarls is two-fold; their AI (from combat to Sandboxing) is a pathetic and lazy joke.  If a modder added NPCs to an upload with the same qualities as the housecarls they'd be laughed at.  Secondly is their dialogue, or lack thereof.  What do you need, my Thane.  Honor to you, my Thane.  What do you need, my Thane.  Honor to you, my Thane. ECT.  They are ANNOYING.

 

I can't imagine a Dom NPC saying 'Honor to you, my Thane.' after a serious round of BDSM.  Maybe if the housecarls' dialogue was overridden somehow, then maybe they could fill the role.  I just can't see Lydia's stupid ass being in charge of anything other than charging blindly into combat and taking a knee after two hits from a Boss level NPC.  The housecarls are worthless, IMO.

 

I think a better solution would be the Dom not only taking charge of the Player, but also the Player's household and housecarls.  In essence, the housecarls become the bitches bitch.  The lowest on the totem pole of Dom/Sub hierarchy.  Instead of Sandboxing, playing musical chairs and munching on bread loaves all day, make them do all of the housework.  Sweep, cook, etc.

 

Amyway, that's my take on it.

Oh, I agree that the AI is bad, and the dialogue is bad, though I get more out of text than I do out of audio, so even if the NPCs were mute, I'd be fine.

 

And yes, I could actually see them saying "Honor to you"...in private, its pure sarcasm, in public, it maintains the expected role...even though you know they're actually saying "Ask me to carry one more thing in my pack, and tonight I'm packing you..."  (I actually like Lydia, even though I don't normally use followers...but then I'm weird)

 

Better sandboxing and combat would be nice...including something like Erani's chore setup.

[OH1972]

My issue with the vanilla housecarls is two-fold; their AI (from combat to Sandboxing) is a pathetic and lazy joke.  If a modder added NPCs to an upload with the same qualities as the housecarls they'd be laughed at.  Secondly is their dialogue, or lack thereof.  What do you need, my Thane.  Honor to you, my Thane.  What do you need, my Thane.  Honor to you, my Thane. ECT.  They are ANNOYING.

 

I can't imagine a Dom NPC saying 'Honor to you, my Thane.' after a serious round of BDSM.  Maybe if the housecarls' dialogue was overridden somehow, then maybe they could fill the role.  I just can't see Lydia's stupid ass being in charge of anything other than charging blindly into combat and taking a knee after two hits from a Boss level NPC.  The housecarls are worthless, IMO.

 

I think a better solution would be the Dom not only taking charge of the Player, but also the Player's household and housecarls.  In essence, the housecarls become the bitches bitch.  The lowest on the totem pole of Dom/Sub hierarchy.  Instead of Sandboxing, playing musical chairs and munching on bread loaves all day, make them do all of the housework.  Sweep, cook, etc.

 

Amyway, that's my take on it.

 

While I agree to some degree with the issue of the Housecarl AI, I don't think the latter is really a good solution. The Housecarls are still their own people and even if they are sworn to serve, they are not necessarily the submissive type. They do hold a position of honor - and word might reach the Jarl eventually that they are being used for duties they were not meant for.

[Kendo 2]

While I agree to some degree with the issue of the Housecarl AI, I don't think the latter is really a good solution. The Housecarls are still their own people and even if they are sworn to serve, they are not necessarily the submissive type. They do hold a position of honor - and word might reach the Jarl eventually that they are being used for duties they were not meant for.

By that line of thought, the same Jarl would be pissed when he found out his titled Thane is playing as the housecarl's submissive bitch.  How well would that go over?

 

Not that any of this really matters.  Regardless of the final mod, I'll change anything I don't like about it so it fits into my game as I want it.  I already have all of the housecarls set up as maids/butlers who sweep and cook and generally stay out of the way.  I even have them set up so they do not speak unless I activate them.  That's just me since out of all of the vanilla followers, they are the worst.