MasterPiece300 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 So..... I created a profile so I could play with the new Spouses Enhanced that wraithslayer's been updating. Game played fine for many hours, but then I got to a point in the game where I had 4 maids plus my wife and all of a sudden I start having the CTD on save problem. The player.kill thing works to make it so you can save again, but.... for how long? How long can you play before saving again so that you have a place to start from that's beyond the point where you had to do the player.kill last time? I took the profile that had the problem... copied it to a new profile... uninstalled MME and left everything else as it was... and I've been able to play several hours on that new profile without a problem. I do not WANT to play without MME though. So a question to all who have had this issue. When you run into it... is it on a game that has been upgraded from a previous version? Or is it on a fresh clean game? I can't for the life of me remember if I started that game from a "cleaned" save after uninstalling an earlier version or if I used a freshly created character start that had never seen MME before. I might do it again by starting a new game (with basically no mods..... vanilla.... until I get out of Helgen) and see if I can repeat the problem. however it seems to take HOURS of game play to reproduce and there's no warning that I can see that it's happening... or not happening. When I use MME, I have debuffs and pain disabled. (milking is a JOYOUS thing!) so I'm not sure this is tied to the debuffs, but I sure would like to know what it IS tied to as it makes it hard to know how far to play past your last save before saving again. lol so now you feel our pain. the ctd on save issue comes regardless of what you do, there is no escape lol. try this new fix i believe is the issue https://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/540740500921363665/?l=german. my guess is that it takes a certain amount of memory before the game finishes saving and since this fix adds more available memory the issues are fixed. but im not 100% certain as i haven't been playing skyrim much since now im working on my own mod muahahahah lol. but it may be that you already have this fix in which case...back to the drawing board. If it does fix it tho it may be that Ed may have to optimize his scripts so as to reduce stress to papyrus. Woot? Nooo, optimizations are not mainstream nowadays, you must buy new PC with 64 Gb ram and 12 cores you funny you lol. my computer is quite powerful tho since i play on 1600p screen with 60+ fps. trust me man my computer has no shortage of power, its skyrim bad handling of memory thats the issue (at least its what found with my researches).
chajapa Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 So..... I created a profile so I could play with the new Spouses Enhanced that wraithslayer's been updating. Game played fine for many hours, but then I got to a point in the game where I had 4 maids plus my wife and all of a sudden I start having the CTD on save problem. The player.kill thing works to make it so you can save again, but.... for how long? How long can you play before saving again so that you have a place to start from that's beyond the point where you had to do the player.kill last time? I took the profile that had the problem... copied it to a new profile... uninstalled MME and left everything else as it was... and I've been able to play several hours on that new profile without a problem. I do not WANT to play without MME though. So a question to all who have had this issue. When you run into it... is it on a game that has been upgraded from a previous version? Or is it on a fresh clean game? I can't for the life of me remember if I started that game from a "cleaned" save after uninstalling an earlier version or if I used a freshly created character start that had never seen MME before. I might do it again by starting a new game (with basically no mods..... vanilla.... until I get out of Helgen) and see if I can repeat the problem. however it seems to take HOURS of game play to reproduce and there's no warning that I can see that it's happening... or not happening. When I use MME, I have debuffs and pain disabled. (milking is a JOYOUS thing!) so I'm not sure this is tied to the debuffs, but I sure would like to know what it IS tied to as it makes it hard to know how far to play past your last save before saving again. lol so now you feel our pain. the ctd on save issue comes regardless of what you do, there is no escape lol. try this new fix i believe is the issue https://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/540740500921363665/?l=german. my guess is that it takes a certain amount of memory before the game finishes saving and since this fix adds more available memory the issues are fixed. but im not 100% certain as i haven't been playing skyrim much since now im working on my own mod muahahahah lol. but it may be that you already have this fix in which case...back to the drawing board. If it does fix it tho it may be that Ed may have to optimize his scripts so as to reduce stress to papyrus. I already have those settings in my SKSE.ini file so that's not the solution to the problem I'm using SKSE 1.72
infernalone666 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies?
Ed86 Posted July 24, 2015 Author Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) soo.... after using that fix http://www.loverslab.com/topic/36908-milk-mod-economy-2015-07-15/?p=1254501 ctds stopped? hm... i think there is possibility that it removes items added to vendors by HF BYOHFoodMilk BYOHFoodButter BYOHFoodFlour Edited July 24, 2015 by Ed86
MasterPiece300 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 So..... I created a profile so I could play with the new Spouses Enhanced that wraithslayer's been updating. Game played fine for many hours, but then I got to a point in the game where I had 4 maids plus my wife and all of a sudden I start having the CTD on save problem. The player.kill thing works to make it so you can save again, but.... for how long? How long can you play before saving again so that you have a place to start from that's beyond the point where you had to do the player.kill last time? I took the profile that had the problem... copied it to a new profile... uninstalled MME and left everything else as it was... and I've been able to play several hours on that new profile without a problem. I do not WANT to play without MME though. So a question to all who have had this issue. When you run into it... is it on a game that has been upgraded from a previous version? Or is it on a fresh clean game? I can't for the life of me remember if I started that game from a "cleaned" save after uninstalling an earlier version or if I used a freshly created character start that had never seen MME before. I might do it again by starting a new game (with basically no mods..... vanilla.... until I get out of Helgen) and see if I can repeat the problem. however it seems to take HOURS of game play to reproduce and there's no warning that I can see that it's happening... or not happening. When I use MME, I have debuffs and pain disabled. (milking is a JOYOUS thing!) so I'm not sure this is tied to the debuffs, but I sure would like to know what it IS tied to as it makes it hard to know how far to play past your last save before saving again. lol so now you feel our pain. the ctd on save issue comes regardless of what you do, there is no escape lol. try this new fix i believe is the issue https://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/540740500921363665/?l=german. my guess is that it takes a certain amount of memory before the game finishes saving and since this fix adds more available memory the issues are fixed. but im not 100% certain as i haven't been playing skyrim much since now im working on my own mod muahahahah lol. but it may be that you already have this fix in which case...back to the drawing board. If it does fix it tho it may be that Ed may have to optimize his scripts so as to reduce stress to papyrus. I already have those settings in my SKSE.ini file so that's not the solution to the problem I'm using SKSE 1.72 Maybe its to many mods in the sense of memory usage. i use about 50 mods which is mostly clothes/armor and some minor tweaks. i believe you said you run skyrim in a mac mini? perhaps lowering the graphics a little further could help? i believe you get a .tmp save file when you ctd on save. what size is it?
MasterPiece300 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 soo.... after using that fix http://www.loverslab.com/topic/36908-milk-mod-economy-2015-07-15/?p=1254501 ctds stopped? well for me to test that i would have to have the latest version, which im using 6/17. after that i would have to play many hours into the game for it to start ctd but i am currently testing this fix on skse that appears to have fixed my ctd issues. It may come back for another round. one thing i noticed is that the skse co-save file spiked in file size after the fix (my fix) so im monitoring that and doing other analysis.
Monoman1 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 CTD on save isn't usually memory related in my experience, and the skse memory patch has virtually eliminated memory based errors. I remember CTDs all over the place when skyrim hit 3.2gb of ram. Now, skyrim usually only uses just over 1 gig. Edit: I thought the new version had the fix. Testing it now.
swmas Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 I'm still using the 07-14 version and 5 hours in from a new game I have no problems. I hope I haven't jinx it. Hey Ed86, can you make the armor reequipping after milking to be toggleable for PC cause I kind of like having to get dressed after finishing milking? More immersive. Also most of the time I have to reequip my shit anyways because the enchantment effects don't activate.
Ed86 Posted July 24, 2015 Author Posted July 24, 2015 I'm still using the 07-14 version and 5 hours in from a new game I have no problems. I hope I haven't jinx it. Hey Ed86, can you make the armor reequipping after milking to be toggleable for PC cause I kind of like having to get dressed after finishing milking? More immersive. Also most of the time I have to reequip my shit anyways because the enchantment effects don't activate. its fixed with quick fix, unfortunately it breaks HF vendors list BYOHFoodMilk BYOHFoodButter BYOHFoodFlour its that not essential you can upgrade to latest + qf or wait , ill probably fix tomorrow
chajapa Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies? It's as compatible as your body. I use 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 different UNP shapes in each profile. No issues with body.
infernalone666 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies? It's as compatible as your body. I use 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 different UNP shapes in each profile. No issues with body. and what about CBBE I was using the temptress race, exchanging the body with CBBE meshes and textures, but, as I have been saying, as my level went up, I noticed the breast scaling wasn't working when the character was naked - only with the armor and milking cuirass equipped. CBBE body fully supports body morphing and the skeleton is xpmse 2.82, so I don't know what could possibly be causing it
chajapa Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies? It's as compatible as your body. I use 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 different UNP shapes in each profile. No issues with body. and what about CBBE I was using the temptress race, exchanging the body with CBBE meshes and textures, but, as I have been saying, as my level went up, I noticed the breast scaling wasn't working when the character was naked - only with the armor and milking cuirass equipped. CBBE body fully supports body morphing and the skeleton is xpmse 2.82, so I don't know what could possibly be causing it You had something either installed incorrectly or it was overwritten by something. If scaling is working in the armor and not the body, AND if you've copied over known good meshes, then look for a skeleton in the temptress race directory structure. That race is old enough that it may have a non-compliant skeleton
infernalone666 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies? It's as compatible as your body. I use 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 different UNP shapes in each profile. No issues with body. and what about CBBE I was using the temptress race, exchanging the body with CBBE meshes and textures, but, as I have been saying, as my level went up, I noticed the breast scaling wasn't working when the character was naked - only with the armor and milking cuirass equipped. CBBE body fully supports body morphing and the skeleton is xpmse 2.82, so I don't know what could possibly be causing it You had something either installed incorrectly or it was overwritten by something. If scaling is working in the armor and not the body, AND if you've copied over known good meshes, then look for a skeleton in the temptress race directory structure. That race is old enough that it may have a non-compliant skeleton I don't think the temptress race comes with a skeleton, but I copy the 2.82 skeleton over. would reinstallation of this mod be the answer?
chajapa Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies? It's as compatible as your body. I use 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 different UNP shapes in each profile. No issues with body. and what about CBBE I was using the temptress race, exchanging the body with CBBE meshes and textures, but, as I have been saying, as my level went up, I noticed the breast scaling wasn't working when the character was naked - only with the armor and milking cuirass equipped. CBBE body fully supports body morphing and the skeleton is xpmse 2.82, so I don't know what could possibly be causing it You had something either installed incorrectly or it was overwritten by something. If scaling is working in the armor and not the body, AND if you've copied over known good meshes, then look for a skeleton in the temptress race directory structure. That race is old enough that it may have a non-compliant skeleton I don't think the temptress race comes with a skeleton, but I copy the 2.82 skeleton over. would reinstallation of this mod be the answer? This mod doesn't have anything to do with your body meshes, so reinstalling it is just a waste of time. You need to get your BODY working first. If your armor is scaling and your body isn't, then your body meshes either aren't scalable or they're being overwritten.
infernalone666 Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies? It's as compatible as your body. I use 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 different UNP shapes in each profile. No issues with body. and what about CBBE I was using the temptress race, exchanging the body with CBBE meshes and textures, but, as I have been saying, as my level went up, I noticed the breast scaling wasn't working when the character was naked - only with the armor and milking cuirass equipped. CBBE body fully supports body morphing and the skeleton is xpmse 2.82, so I don't know what could possibly be causing it You had something either installed incorrectly or it was overwritten by something. If scaling is working in the armor and not the body, AND if you've copied over known good meshes, then look for a skeleton in the temptress race directory structure. That race is old enough that it may have a non-compliant skeleton I don't think the temptress race comes with a skeleton, but I copy the 2.82 skeleton over. would reinstallation of this mod be the answer? This mod doesn't have anything to do with your body meshes, so reinstalling it is just a waste of time. You need to get your BODY working first. If your armor is scaling and your body isn't, then your body meshes either aren't scalable or they're being overwritten. how do I find out what?
chajapa Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies? It's as compatible as your body. I use 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 different UNP shapes in each profile. No issues with body. and what about CBBE I was using the temptress race, exchanging the body with CBBE meshes and textures, but, as I have been saying, as my level went up, I noticed the breast scaling wasn't working when the character was naked - only with the armor and milking cuirass equipped. CBBE body fully supports body morphing and the skeleton is xpmse 2.82, so I don't know what could possibly be causing it You had something either installed incorrectly or it was overwritten by something. If scaling is working in the armor and not the body, AND if you've copied over known good meshes, then look for a skeleton in the temptress race directory structure. That race is old enough that it may have a non-compliant skeleton I don't think the temptress race comes with a skeleton, but I copy the 2.82 skeleton over. would reinstallation of this mod be the answer? This mod doesn't have anything to do with your body meshes, so reinstalling it is just a waste of time. You need to get your BODY working first. If your armor is scaling and your body isn't, then your body meshes either aren't scalable or they're being overwritten. how do I find out what? If you're not using Mod Organizer, I don't know. You'd have to carefully disect every mod you're using to see if it's including any body meshes. And you'd have to know where you copied the body meshes FROM to know if THOSE are ok. I mean you MAY have simply copied non-scaling CBBE meshes into the temptress race. Not fun, but once you figure it out I'll bet you'll remember how to fix it in the future
infernalone666 Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 although I have to ask this right now: how compatible is this with unp bodies? It's as compatible as your body. I use 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 different UNP shapes in each profile. No issues with body. and what about CBBE I was using the temptress race, exchanging the body with CBBE meshes and textures, but, as I have been saying, as my level went up, I noticed the breast scaling wasn't working when the character was naked - only with the armor and milking cuirass equipped. CBBE body fully supports body morphing and the skeleton is xpmse 2.82, so I don't know what could possibly be causing it You had something either installed incorrectly or it was overwritten by something. If scaling is working in the armor and not the body, AND if you've copied over known good meshes, then look for a skeleton in the temptress race directory structure. That race is old enough that it may have a non-compliant skeleton I don't think the temptress race comes with a skeleton, but I copy the 2.82 skeleton over. would reinstallation of this mod be the answer? This mod doesn't have anything to do with your body meshes, so reinstalling it is just a waste of time. You need to get your BODY working first. If your armor is scaling and your body isn't, then your body meshes either aren't scalable or they're being overwritten. how do I find out what? If you're not using Mod Organizer, I don't know. You'd have to carefully disect every mod you're using to see if it's including any body meshes. And you'd have to know where you copied the body meshes FROM to know if THOSE are ok. I mean you MAY have simply copied non-scaling CBBE meshes into the temptress race. Not fun, but once you figure it out I'll bet you'll remember how to fix it in the future I use nexus and boss and ok, then. tell me before I develop a migraine finding this out. which CBBE meshes do scale and which don't. the body meshes are from the CCBE beautiful bodies edition (with outfit studio), and I copied the meshes from the character assets folder although, I have to say the only other mods I use that affect tits are JUGS, which I know works with this mod, HDT Breast and Butt Physics, and Deadly Drain. If it turns out to be either Deadly Drain or Breast and Butt Physics that is interfering, I will be quite angry because I like that mod a bit
andrewnew Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 I use nexus and boss and ok, then. tell me before I develop a migraine finding this out. which CBBE meshes do scale and which don't. the body meshes are from the CCBE beautiful bodies edition (with outfit studio), and I copied the meshes from the character assets folder although, I have to say the only other mods I use that affect tits are JUGS, which I know works with this mod, HDT Breast and Butt Physics, and Deadly Drain. If it turns out to be either Deadly Drain or Breast and Butt Physics that is interfering, I will be quite angry because I like that mod a bit using CBBE mesh easier to check in bodyslide select your body check if breast scale and belly scale have slider or not this way you will know if your body mesh compatible or not. in load order i put all my body and texture almost at the bottom so it will not overwrite with other mesh and texture specialy " skeleton "
infernalone666 Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 I use nexus and boss and ok, then. tell me before I develop a migraine finding this out. which CBBE meshes do scale and which don't. the body meshes are from the CCBE beautiful bodies edition (with outfit studio), and I copied the meshes from the character assets folder although, I have to say the only other mods I use that affect tits are JUGS, which I know works with this mod, HDT Breast and Butt Physics, and Deadly Drain. If it turns out to be either Deadly Drain or Breast and Butt Physics that is interfering, I will be quite angry because I like that mod a bit using CBBE mesh easier to check in bodyslide select your body check if breast scale and belly scale have slider or not this way you will know if your body mesh compatible or not. in load order i put all my body and texture almost at the bottom so it will not overwrite with other mesh and texture specialy " skeleton " oh, trust me, I've used those bodysliders quite a bit so, yes, my mesh is scaleable and I'll try and see if it will work lower on the list
TechBaNe Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 I use nexus and boss and ok, then. tell me before I develop a migraine finding this out. which CBBE meshes do scale and which don't. the body meshes are from the CCBE beautiful bodies edition (with outfit studio), and I copied the meshes from the character assets folder although, I have to say the only other mods I use that affect tits are JUGS, which I know works with this mod, HDT Breast and Butt Physics, and Deadly Drain. If it turns out to be either Deadly Drain or Breast and Butt Physics that is interfering, I will be quite angry because I like that mod a bit using CBBE mesh easier to check in bodyslide select your body check if breast scale and belly scale have slider or not this way you will know if your body mesh compatible or not. in load order i put all my body and texture almost at the bottom so it will not overwrite with other mesh and texture specialy " skeleton " oh, trust me, I've used those bodysliders quite a bit so, yes, my mesh is scaleable and I'll try and see if it will work lower on the list Really? Check the bones. If you don't have the right bones, the sliders are worth jack all. Use Nifskope to check. If you are running HDT, then you should have the following bones: NPC L Breast NPC L Breast01 NPC L Butt NPC R Breast NPC R Breast01 NPC R Butt NPC Belly Additionally, you can check that by opening the body mesh in Outfit Studio and looking on the "Bones" tab in the left window. Highlighting the bones also shows you the weight painting, which is just as important as the bones. You should note that the bodies that come in the Beautiful bodies edition folders are just standard static meshes. You have to build the HDT meshes using bodyslide.
Crooltool Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 and reinstall the skeleton and copy it to the appropriate place for your custom race, I always, as a rule, install the xpmse skeleton LAST, let is overwrie EVERYTHING, then copy female_skeleton.nif and female_skeleton.hkx to my ningheim character assets female folder,then run FNIS and everything is good, if you install the skeleton last, and let it overwrite everything then you get past other mods installing screwed up skeletons
infernalone666 Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 I use nexus and boss and ok, then. tell me before I develop a migraine finding this out. which CBBE meshes do scale and which don't. the body meshes are from the CCBE beautiful bodies edition (with outfit studio), and I copied the meshes from the character assets folder although, I have to say the only other mods I use that affect tits are JUGS, which I know works with this mod, HDT Breast and Butt Physics, and Deadly Drain. If it turns out to be either Deadly Drain or Breast and Butt Physics that is interfering, I will be quite angry because I like that mod a bit using CBBE mesh easier to check in bodyslide select your body check if breast scale and belly scale have slider or not this way you will know if your body mesh compatible or not. in load order i put all my body and texture almost at the bottom so it will not overwrite with other mesh and texture specialy " skeleton " oh, trust me, I've used those bodysliders quite a bit so, yes, my mesh is scaleable and I'll try and see if it will work lower on the list Really? Check the bones. If you don't have the right bones, the sliders are worth jack all. Use Nifskope to check. If you are running HDT, then you should have the following bones: NPC L Breast NPC L Breast01 NPC L Butt NPC R Breast NPC R Breast01 NPC R Butt NPC Belly Additionally, you can check that by opening the body mesh in Outfit Studio and looking on the "Bones" tab in the left window. Highlighting the bones also shows you the weight painting, which is just as important as the bones. You should note that the bodies that come in the Beautiful bodies edition folders are just standard static meshes. You have to build the HDT meshes using bodyslide. I tried opening a body in the outfit studio, but failed each time and one that says CBBE HDT, you mean? I used that at one point, but the shape came out all wrong and flattened at the nipples
infernalone666 Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 ok, you'll probably not believe it, but I got it to work. I did have to use CBBE HDT and I managed to tweak the bodysliders to compensate for the wonky shape I managed to get the body in the outfit studio (use textures) and I noticed the one I was using before didn't have bones in the tits
Monoman1 Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 So, been using the quickfix for a while now. No CTDs on save so far. Hopefully that's that. Cheers Ed!
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