SexLab Sex Slaves 6.2 December 06, 2016

[olonolo]

@chadorjan, Ryzaki009,

 

     Just because your female PC is dragonborn, it does not preclude her being submissive. Many submissive women are quite powerful outside their D/s relationship.

I see nothing wrong with my dragonborn PC submitting to Andrew when she comes home from an adventure or quest. In my own small world, I am the top of the food chain, but nothing relieves the stresses of owning a business like knowing that once I am home, all I need do is; what I'm told, and my biggest decisions are whether or not to ask permission for things, (always yes, can't help wanting what I want, when I want it.....but, working on it.)

But, I understand you prefering being Dom, and feeling wrong playing as a sub dragonborn, because I feel the same, only from the opposite side.

I wouldn't mind playing as a sub Dragonborn, as long as it was based on love. My problem is that I'm also already married to Lydia, which makes giving my body and soul to Andrew kind of weird. lol Next game I play, I won't get married and then we'll see if it works.

[olonolo]

I thought I would post a couple of pics of my Dragonborn and her personal slave. I think they're both pretty hot.

 

 

[fishburger67]

"As far as the sex slaves being BDSM submissives, that was never the intent.  If you read the lore, they LOVE the dragonborrn.  They are designed to be great companions as you venture into Skyrim."     

 

So a BDSM relationship cant be love?

 

Fair point.  The problem for me is that there just aren't any "loving" whipping animations to use to make this all really realistic.

[MallaVelve]

After reading several of these posts I find myself with thoughts.  

I can see people enjoying Dom/Sub interactions and or lifestyle.  What seems odd to me is the extreme violence most of these mods have in them.  I can not see a person willingly giving themselves to that.  As for being forced into it, as this mod does, through torture and rape till they are broken...If I found myself in that situation I would break very early and go with the flow till I was free to murder every last son-of-a-bitch that even leered at me.  (Which you provided)  I can understand Consensual.   I do have some mods installed that have this over the top type content and I try to ignore it for the most part because they add other content that I do find acceptable and or interesting.  I must state that skyrim modding and LL is mostly but not wholly my introduction to BDSM content.  So I am sure this is a somewhat skewed view of the lifestyle.  And just as we don't go around shooting lightning from our fingertips or shouting in the tongue of non-existent dragons in Real Life, some allowances can be made.  I know that in my own life I am neither Dom nor Sub, I am a firm believer in equality.  I had a 1 nighter with a girl who wanted me to bite and tweak her nipples while we were "engaged" and I tried but was too gentle with her.  I just don't have it in me to hurt women, even when they want me to.  However I would enjoy torturing a rapist if the victim was someone I knew.  Anyway...could someone point me to some good resources so I can get a more realistic view of this culture?

[fishburger67]

 

 

Playing a sub, even if you are the Dragonborn, you have to expect to be treated like a sub.  Volkar and Andrew are designed to be enjoyed by female players who like being submissive.  We have so little content for female players (as opposed to males playing a female PC) that it is not likely that I will ever change that without some feedback from our female audience.

 

As far as the sex slaves being BDSM submissives, that was never the intent.  If you read the lore, they LOVE the dragonborrn.  They are designed to be great companions as you venture into Skyrim.

 

That is fair (that said I am a female player not a male but I do have weird tastes XD)

 

I don't think there is any such thing as weird tastes.  We are all individuals.  With Andrew, you can take him as a sub by not checking the Dominant checkbox.  I just never developed any quests or much dialog for that side because I never saw much interest.  If we get a few more FEMALE players who want a submissive Andrew, I'll work some on it.

 

Does that mean it's possible to get a male slave that's not necessarily dominating or submissive? Yes I know I'm boringly vanilla. I can't help it XD (Assuming of course the sub male is out of the question). I'm not asking you to change Andrew not at ALL. I would never ask anyone to change content they already made. (Well not someone working for free anyway). My badly articulated ramblings are hoping for future male slaves. XD

 

The problem for me here is that I do not have any Lore to use to make a male sex slave.  What exactly is going to convince a normal male to be submissive?  It will not be physical punishment.  If I could work that out and there was enough interest,   For me to get my brain around this, it has to all be realistic with real-life heterosexual examples.

 

(It's not the bondage that bothers me it's the sextoy and bitch remarks (I guess I shouldn't call them insults as such.)

 

Dominate Andrew only uses phrases like that when he is pissed off.  I made it a point to not use abusive language with the PC in normal cases.  Further, as you advance in the love stages, he becomes more and more affectionate in his verbalizations.  If I missed something, please let me know.

 

@chadorjan, Ryzaki009,

 

     Just because your female PC is dragonborn, it does not preclude her being submissive. Many submissive women are quite powerful outside their D/s relationship.

I see nothing wrong with my dragonborn PC submitting to Andrew when she comes home from an adventure or quest. In my own small world, I am the top of the food chain, but nothing relieves the stresses of owning a business like knowing that once I am home, all I need do is; what I'm told, and my biggest decisions are whether or not to ask permission for things, (always yes, can't help wanting what I want, when I want it.....but, working on it.)

But, I understand you prefering being Dom, and feeling wrong playing as a sub dragonborn, because I feel the same, only from the opposite side.

 

That's fair enough. I just feel odd having my PC not react the way I would (or do so and totally break the scenario).

 

Edited like six times because I'm ditzy today XD

 

 

Thanks very much for taking the time to express you views.  If you have examples of where Andrew pisses you off and he is not pissed off himself, please point them out and I'll change it.

 

 

[fishburger67]

After reading several of these posts I find myself with thoughts.  

I can see people enjoying Dom/Sub interactions and or lifestyle.  What seems odd to me is the extreme violence most of these mods have in them.  I can not see a person willingly giving themselves to that.  As for being forced into it, as this mod does, through torture and rape till they are broken...If I found myself in that situation I would break very early and go with the flow till I was free to murder every last son-of-a-bitch that even leered at me.  (Which you provided)  

 

That is exactly my reaction as well and exactly the reason there are not male sex slaves.  There are LOTS of examples of willing female subs who become willing slaves.  I have never seen or heard of a male being like that.

 

I can understand Consensual.   I do have some mods installed that have this over the top type content and I try to ignore it for the most part because they add other content that I do find acceptable and or interesting.  I must state that skyrim modding and LL is mostly but not wholly my introduction to BDSM content.  So I am sure this is a somewhat skewed view of the lifestyle.  And just as we don't go around shooting lightning from our fingertips or shouting in the tongue of non-existent dragons in Real Life, some allowances can be made.  I know that in my own life I am neither Dom nor Sub, I am a firm believer in equality.  I had a 1 nighter with a girl who wanted me to bite and tweak her nipples while we were "engaged" and I tried but was too gentle with her.  I just don't have it in me to hurt women, even when they want me to.  However I would enjoy torturing a rapist if the victim was someone I knew.  Anyway...could someone point me to some good resources so I can get a more realistic view of this culture?

Dominate Andrew is pretty realistic based on LOTS of research (although it is not finished and happens too fast).  I cannot however share my sources.

 

I thought I would post a couple of pics of my Dragonborn and her personal slave. I think they're both pretty hot.

 

Dragonborn and slave.jpeg

 

Dragonborn and slave 2.jpeg

 

I agree, pretty hot stuff.

[fishburger67]

 

"As far as the sex slaves being BDSM submissives, that was never the intent.  If you read the lore, they LOVE the dragonborrn.  They are designed to be great companions as you venture into Skyrim."     

 

So a BDSM relationship cant be love?

I think it's entirely possible to be in a BDSM relationship and still love your master/slave. One is fulfilling the needs and desires of the other because of that love.

 

"As far as the sex slaves being BDSM submissives, that was never the intent" - The training of a sex slave, in order to break their will, involves forced sex and a lot of whipping. Sounds like BDSM to me. It doesn't mean the master can't love the slave or that the slaves can't be great companions. BDSM to a master is just part of being a dom. (I know it's complicated) lol

 

 

It is not only possible, it is the norm to be in a loving BDSM relationship.  However, the level of pain depicted in sex slaves is by necessity, not realistic because there are just not the required animations to make it more so.  This also does not reflect the slave in training.

 

What I was talking about was the sex slaves (fully trained), not the women being trained.   When they are being trained, they get hurt and they do not like it.  They beg you to stop and get pissed off.  After they are trained, they like mild spankings or other mildly painful activities.  However, it is not realistic to believe that any female, even one who enjoys some mild pain would enjoy the whipping that is involved in the training.  As MallaVelve pointed out, the normal reaction is to play along and then murder the person inflicting the pain.  There are tons of real-life examples of exactly this reaction.

 

So, after the training, you have to be somewhat kind to your slave.  You want them to continue to love you.  The only way I could implement what you ask for would be to have them rebel at some point and try to kill you (and occasionally succeed if it were to be realistic) .  This is possible of course and Aqqh even suggested it along with lots of other stuff to make the training more realistic.  It's just that it's a lot of work and I have things I think the majority will enjoy more in the works.

 

 

 

 

 

[MallaVelve]

Dominate Andrew is pretty realistic based on LOTS of research (although it is not finished and happens too fast).  I cannot however share my sources.

Well I will have to run through his quest line as a sub female and give it a look.  Thanks for the info and I would not expect you to share your sources, I was more looking for: This movie depicts it fairly accurately or this blog etc. type thing.  It is possible that other regular followers of this mod will chime in as well.

[fishburger67]

 

@chadorjan, Ryzaki009,

 

     Just because your female PC is dragonborn, it does not preclude her being submissive. Many submissive women are quite powerful outside their D/s relationship.

I see nothing wrong with my dragonborn PC submitting to Andrew when she comes home from an adventure or quest. In my own small world, I am the top of the food chain, but nothing relieves the stresses of owning a business like knowing that once I am home, all I need do is; what I'm told, and my biggest decisions are whether or not to ask permission for things, (always yes, can't help wanting what I want, when I want it.....but, working on it.)

But, I understand you prefering being Dom, and feeling wrong playing as a sub dragonborn, because I feel the same, only from the opposite side.

I wouldn't mind playing as a sub Dragonborn, as long as it was based on love. My problem is that I'm also already married to Lydia, which makes giving my body and soul to Andrew kind of weird. lol Next game I play, I won't get married and then we'll see if it works.

 

 

Andrew is based on love, eventually.  The worst he ever does is swear at you and give you a mild spanking if you agree to it.  In the end, he is fairly romantic (even though this all happens way to fast ATM).

 

[Ryzaki009]

 

 

I don't think there is any such thing as weird tastes.  We are all individuals.  With Andrew, you can take him as a sub by not checking the Dominant checkbox.  I just never developed any quests or much dialog for that side because I never saw much interest.  If we get a few more FEMALE players who want a submissive Andrew, I'll work some on it.

 

to be fair it was my fault for ticking it in the first place. It starts off unticked. I was the one who poked the bear on the nose. Can't exactly get upset about being nipped can I? XD Ah I see. So no more male slaves in the pipelines then?

 

 

 

The problem for me here is that I do not have any Lore to use to make a male sex slave.  What exactly is going to convince a normal male to be submissive?  It will not be physical punishment.  If I could work that out and there was enough interest,   For me to get my brain around this, it has to all be realistic with real-life heterosexual examples.

 

 

Honestly I would use magic but of course that wouldn't work for all players so...yeah that's something that'd probably only work for a small subset of players.

 

 

Dominate Andrew only uses phrases like that when he is pissed off.  I made it a point to not use abusive language with the PC in normal cases.  Further, as you advance in the love stages, he becomes more and more affectionate in his verbalizations.  If I missed something, please let me know.

 

Huh I guess it's my default to piss people off XD whoops.

 

 

Thanks very much for taking the time to express you views.  If you have examples of where Andrew pisses you off and he is not pissed off himself, please point them out and I'll change it.

I'm replaying (and noticed a hilarious clash with males of skyrim now to figure out how to remove the body files from that mod so I can remove the purple body textures so I can stop laughing my head off.) so if I find something I'll be sure to let you know.

 

Also thanks very much for replying to me so quickly and nicely It's very much appreciated <3

 

(This quote system is the devil I swear!)

[fishburger67]

Dominate Andrew is pretty realistic based on LOTS of research (although it is not finished and happens too fast).  I cannot however share my sources.

Well I will have to run through his quest line as a sub female and give it a look.  Thanks for the info and I would not expect you to share your sources, I was more looking for: This movie depicts it fairly accurately or this blog etc. type thing.  It is possible that other regular followers of this mod will chime in as well.

 

Movies and books do not depict real life.  Most of the "female" authors (who you are hoping to get insight from ) are in reality males who just have a good imagination.

 

The key points I was trying to get depicted with Andrew were that it happens slowly and she is responding to her natural instinct to please and desire to be loved.  In that, I have failed pretty badly.  However, the next Andrew release will be better.

[fishburger67]

 

 

 

 

The problem for me here is that I do not have any Lore to use to make a male sex slave.  What exactly is going to convince a normal male to be submissive?  It will not be physical punishment.  If I could work that out and there was enough interest,   For me to get my brain around this, it has to all be realistic with real-life heterosexual examples.

 

 

Honestly I would use magic but of course that wouldn't work for all players so...yeah that's something that'd probably only work for a small subset of players.

 

 

 

Huh I guess it's my default to piss people off XD whoops.

 

As far as I know, the only time he calls you bitch and the like are if you don't fuck him and he leaves or you haven't fucked him in a while and he was expecting more ass.  If I missed something, let me know.

 

 

 

I'm replaying (and noticed a hilarious clash with males of skyrim now to figure out how to remove the body files from that mod so I can remove the purple body textures so I can stop laughing my head off.) so if I find something I'll be sure to let you know.

Purple body textures are missing texture files.

 

 

I saw a post earlier that I can no longer find about other male sex slaves.

 

In fact, there are two in the works, but down the road.  Aqqh has one in his work and I have another in the next Andrew upgrade (although he will only be around with not much to do.)

[Carida]

Dominate Andrew is pretty realistic based on LOTS of research (although it is not finished and happens too fast).  I cannot however share my sources.

Well I will have to run through his quest line as a sub female and give it a look.  Thanks for the info and I would not expect you to share your sources, I was more looking for: This movie depicts it fairly accurately or this blog etc. type thing.  It is possible that other regular followers of this mod will chime in as well.

 

http://www.whatisbdsm.com/

 

 

-C

[Ryzaki009]

 

As far as I know, the only time he calls you bitch and the like are if you don't fuck him and he leaves or you haven't fucked him in a while and he was expecting more ass.  If I missed something, let me know.

 

 

Purple body textures are missing texture files.

 

lol mad he got cockblocked? XD So typical. I was *busy*!

 

Yeah that's why it's Males of Skyrim. It includes a whole body texture and it overwrites SOS so the only guys that have the purple arms are the ones affected by the mod. I need to remove the bodies because they're clashing and keep the head XD I'm too shallow to remove it completely. It makes them look too much better. 

 

 

I saw a post earlier that I can no longer find about other male sex slaves.

 

In fact, there are two in the works, but down the road.  Aqqh has one in his work and I have another in the next Andrew upgrade (although he will only be around with not much to do.)

 

 

That's better than I hoped for!

[just_Gina]

Actually, I think Andrew is pretty realistic, considering this is a game. The balancing act between love and dominance is well handled. In real life it is often difficult to find the balance between the two, especially if BDS/m is a big part of the relationship.

He never crosses the line of abuse. If I had one complaint, it's that when he asks if the PC shouldn't she be on her knees, she doesn't kneel....lol. As for what he says to her, hey it's all just sex. He always gives her the choice whether to accept punishment or not, ok not so realistic, but respectful.

[fishburger67]

Actually, I think Andrew is pretty realistic, considering this is a game. The balancing act between love and dominance is well handled. In real life it is often difficult to find the balance between the two, especially if BDS/m is a big part of the relationship.

He never crosses the line of abuse. If I had one complaint, it's that when he asks if the PC shouldn't she be on her knees, she doesn't kneel....lol. As for what he says to her, hey it's all just sex. He always gives her the choice whether to accept punishment or not, ok not so realistic, but respectful.

 

The next Andrew will be much less predictable.  I think you will like him.  And if the female refused to obey when told to kneel, he should have either spanked her or left.  If not, I missed something.

[MallaVelve]

 

Dominate Andrew is pretty realistic based on LOTS of research (although it is not finished and happens too fast).  I cannot however share my sources.

Well I will have to run through his quest line as a sub female and give it a look.  Thanks for the info and I would not expect you to share your sources, I was more looking for: This movie depicts it fairly accurately or this blog etc. type thing.  It is possible that other regular followers of this mod will chime in as well.

 

http://www.whatisbdsm.com/

 

 

-C

 

Thank-you That actually gave me quite a clear picture.  And is more what I expected.  

[fishburger67]

Actually, I think Andrew is pretty realistic, considering this is a game. The balancing act between love and dominance is well handled. In real life it is often difficult to find the balance between the two, especially if BDS/m is a big part of the relationship.

He never crosses the line of abuse. If I had one complaint, it's that when he asks if the PC shouldn't she be on her knees, she doesn't kneel....lol. As for what he says to her, hey it's all just sex. He always gives her the choice whether to accept punishment or not, ok not so realistic, but respectful.

 

If you have other suggestions, now is the time to post them as I am hot on this next Andrew update.

[Ryzaki009]

Actually, I think Andrew is pretty realistic, considering this is a game. The balancing act between love and dominance is well handled. In real life it is often difficult to find the balance between the two, especially if BDS/m is a big part of the relationship.

He never crosses the line of abuse. If I had one complaint, it's that when he asks if the PC shouldn't she be on her knees, she doesn't kneel....lol. As for what he says to her, hey it's all just sex. He always gives her the choice whether to accept punishment or not, ok not so realistic, but respectful.

 

Actually now I see why I got annoyed now that I reached him again. His first conversation is jarring? The first thing out your mouth is forced rudeness (why is the dragonborn even calling him boy anyway? He doesn't look or sound young enough to be called boy unless your dragonborn is rather old him/herself) that leads to a forced apology with him being snippy. That lead to my domino effect with me eventually setting him on fire (he calls me wench I call him ass especially since wench gives me bishop flashbacks) and calling a day. (I don't like to apologize. What can I say.)

 

It's pretty bad with Vess too but it feels more...balanced? (well at least til you completely one up her and I felt really bad there actually =/)  With Andrew it's more fem PC is rude, gets put in her place or that's pretty much the end of the interaction.

 

An option to just be polite in the first conversation would be nice Edit: Wait apparently that's only if he's ticked be dominant? (I just ticked it off to test) So you can't be polite as a sub? Weird. NVM then!

[fishburger67]

 

Actually, I think Andrew is pretty realistic, considering this is a game. The balancing act between love and dominance is well handled. In real life it is often difficult to find the balance between the two, especially if BDS/m is a big part of the relationship.

He never crosses the line of abuse. If I had one complaint, it's that when he asks if the PC shouldn't she be on her knees, she doesn't kneel....lol. As for what he says to her, hey it's all just sex. He always gives her the choice whether to accept punishment or not, ok not so realistic, but respectful.

 

Actually now I see why I got annoyed now that I reached him again. His first conversation is jarring? The first thing out your mouth is forced rudeness (why is the dragonborn even calling him boy anyway? He doesn't look or sound young enough to be called boy unless your dragonborn is rather old him/herself) that leads to a forced apology with him being snippy. That lead to my domino effect with me eventually setting him on fire (he calls me wench I call him ass especially since wench gives me bishop flashbacks) and calling a day. (I don't like to apologize. What can I say.)

 

It's pretty bad with Vess too but it feels more...balanced? (well at least til you completely one up her and I felt really bad there actually =/)  With Andrew it's more fem PC is rude, gets put in her place or that's pretty much the end of the interaction.

 

An option to just be polite in the first conversation would be nice Edit: Wait apparently that's only if he's ticked be dominant? (I just ticked it off to test) So you can't be polite as a sub? Weird. NVM then!

 

 

Yep, I get your point here.  That initial conversation is because the Dominant Andrew just came into being.  With the sub Andrew, everything was boy this and boy that.  "I have an order boy", etc.

 

So, I thought it would be fun to start off that way and have the PC get a glaring shock.

 

I'll modify it in the next release so you have two options to initially talk to him, the existing "Boy" one and a more respectful one, but still with a clear understanding that he will not take any shit from you.

 

[A7X Nightmare]

Since we're on the topic of Andrew. How long does it take before he falls in love with you and gives you a quest? I take him everywhere with me (even though his random kissing has almost gotten me killed a few times), and have sex a bunch, but it never seems to progress.

 

I've only got the message to pop up once, where it says he likes you more.

[Ryzaki009]

 

Yep, I get your point here.  That initial conversation is because the Dominant Andrew just came into being.  With the sub Andrew, everything was boy this and boy that.  "I have an order boy", etc.

 

So, I thought it would be fun to start off that way and have the PC get a glaring shock.

 

I'll modify it in the next release so you have two options to initially talk to him, the existing "Boy" one and a more respectful one, but still with a clear understanding that he will not take any shit from you.

 

 

 

Oh I see growing pains.

 

Yes that'll be perfect. Thanks for the tweak!

 

[olonolo]

Just one last go at this topic Fish, but I need to clarify something. It was never my intention to ask that the girls become BDSM slaves. I had no intention of going slap happy on them. What I was suggesting was some interaction where the slaves would not necessarily be so eager. The way they are now, they are fun, make great companions, and they are eager to please. It's just that the way things are now there is not much more that I can do with the slaves that I can't already do with other followers, or any npc for that matter. Makes me wonder - why am I a master?

 

The girls are happy to get spanked (with a whip), they are happy to get raped, they are happy to do other followers, they are happy happy. I know they love me (after I beat the heck out of them in training) but what makes me a dom now?

[fishburger67]

Since we're on the topic of Andrew. How long does it take before he falls in love with you and gives you a quest? I take him everywhere with me (even though his random kissing has almost gotten me killed a few times), and have sex a bunch, but it never seems to progress.

 

I've only got the message to pop up once, where it says he likes you more.

 

There are currently 6 levels (soon to be twelve).  He starts loving you at level 4 after he put a pussy chain on you.

 

You advance in level by fucking him and having him in your company over time.  Can't remember the exact time, but I do remember that any sex beyond 2 each 4 hours does nothing.  If he leave your company for any reason, he resets one level.

[fishburger67]

Just one last go at this topic Fish, but I need to clarify something. It was never my intention to ask that the girls become BDSM slaves. I had no intention of going slap happy on them. What I was suggesting was some interaction where the slaves would not necessarily be so eager. The way they are now, they are fun, make great companions, and they are eager to please. It's just that the way things are now there is not much more that I can do with the slaves that I can't already do with other followers, or any npc for that matter. Makes me wonder - why am I a master?

 

The girls are happy to get spanked (with a whip), they are happy to get raped, they are happy to do other followers, they are happy happy. I know they love me (after I beat the heck out of them in training) but what makes me a dom now?

 

That is going to change soon.  Not sure if it will be with the next release or not because I am waiting on dialog to get voiced.  However, I am adding a bunch of radiant quests to fetch stuff and do things and if you refuse or fail, they will become a bit piqued and if they get too piqued, you'll have to spank them or something to get them to behave. 

 

In addition, the frequency of oral sex will have a bearing on their behavior.  I have to work this mechanic out with Aqqh.

 

On the other hand, you'll have to look long and hard to find followers as capable in a fight and as fun to have around for their dialog.  Sasha and Jenny are two very different personalities.  If you have them both, they have dialogs between them that a just a hoot and if you have singing turned on, they will sing a duet.