[WIP] Skyrim Slavers Guild

[GHJKL]

Hmm, Is there a new version? I still have the valtheim holfast (or something like that) version.

[Daguy]

Are... are the modernish assets (ball and ring gags) going to be 'textured' to look like they should fit the setting? Of course i'm just a guy who has been looking forwards to playing, so it may not be my place, but i'm getting a little worried that things are headed in a direction where it won't be possible to roleplay in an immersive and lore-fitting settign with SSG installed.

 

The idea of a slavers guild taking advanatge of the strife fits the setting. So do a lot of the earlier ideas. But Mord Sith complete with red body suits. Modern BDSM tools, like the proposed gags.

 

To use cross games mods; things seem to be moving from Sexout Tryout to more a Lovers CrowningIsle. Not that thats a bad thing, whatever the creator wishes to make and people are happy with. I'm just trying to work out whether I need to slot SSG into 'fun to play through, once or twice' or 'permanant feature of Skyrim' in my roleplaying.

[Queen Bee]

Mord Sith was just a concept we were playing around with, a sort of basis for comparison when talking about a possible all female slaver faction. I don't think they'll call themselves the Mord Sith. There's no reason why strapons can't exist in Skyrim, and those kind of gags have been around for centuries. Well, maybe not the dildo gag, but I don't see why that can't exist. So far I haven't seen Doc talk about anything planned that's lore breaking, really.

[Daguy]

Hence why I asked about the style and textures^. A wooden ballgag and steel ring sort of fit, though rubber and sythetic looking stuff wouldn't. All females slavers are great and I like the Mord Sith. I'm just worried that if they were Mord Sith in all but name then i'd feel like my character had stepped out of TES and into that world instead.

 

I never said anything was lore breaking, but that line can be pretty broadly skirted. Less lore breaking than things starting to no longer feel like TES or Skyrim. A giant pink Troll doesn't necciserily break the lore, but it would certainly change the atmosphere. A corrupted cult of Dibella springs to mind as a fun TES all-female slaver group.

 

I'm not trying to rock the boat, just sharing my thoughts and concerns. I've seen Doc post a lot and we share a lot of opinions, so i'm not too worried. I still thought it bore mentioning though. I may not have contributed much - but I do care about this project a great deal.

 

Its also partially the ammount of ideas that are building up that is making me, personally, uneasy. Doc is just one man, and the team relavitely small. One thing I am worried about is the pure ammount of content that gets thought up and added to the wiki might end up crushing the mod under its own weight. There are entire games with less content. There is also the matter of physical worldspace. Skyrim is heavily scaled down and already pretty crammed. Finding places to put everything without making it feel cramped will be a task in of itself. Especially if you also start factoring in that a great many people will probobly have mods like Dark Investigations installed too.

[DocClox]

*edit* ball gag animation very likely means cleave gags too... right? hmmm

 

Mmmm ... I know where you're coming from' date=' but I'm not sure it'll work. I can probably open the mouth with a shout override, but we'd need some pretty thick gagging material.

 

Actually, that would probably about do it.

 

Tested it out and it worked great for me. Just had a couple problems, one being able to go through floors and walls during the NPC rape scene, and the other was when the Argonian was done raping me my PC had the bound phallus on. I can't wait to play more of this!

 

Yeah, the walking through walls thing is a limitation of the tech. I could freeze the player in place while they go at it, I suppose. There's a detailed discussion of the pros and cons here if anyone's interested.

 

Hmm' date=' Is there a new version? I still have the valtheim holfast (or something like that) version.

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It's actually a Sexrim demo. It uses the SSG as a setting though, and I've used it to get the animations working a bit smoother, and to do some proof-of-concept work on player slavery. It's on the downloads page under "Sexrim"

 

Are... are the modernish assets (ball and ring gags) going to be 'textured' to look like they should fit the setting? Of course i'm just a guy who has been looking forwards to playing' date=' so it may not be my place, but i'm getting a little worried that things are headed in a direction where it won't be possible to roleplay in an immersive and lore-fitting settign with SSG installed.

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The plan is to use Skyrim materials for any modernish bondage gear. So leather in place of rubber, iron in place of chrome, ivory in place of plastic and so on. With the right textures it should look ok.

 

The idea of a slavers guild taking advanatge of the strife fits the setting. So do a lot of the earlier ideas. But Mord Sith complete with red body suits. Modern BDSM tools' date=' like the proposed gags.

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I don't have a problem with the guild having access to the tools. Outside of the demo (which is a bit tongue in cheek) I'd want to introduce them gradually and from different sources rather than having the guild suddenly open a sex shop. But given the guild's line of business, you'd expect them to have some specialist gear.

 

I suppose the other way to do it would be to have some magical macguffin to the same effect. So put a glowy shader effect on gagged girls, or just say something to the effect of "this magic spell will stop you biting while we rape your mouth". On the whole though, I think the gags are a better solution.

 

To use cross games mods; things seem to be moving from Sexout Tryout to more a Lovers CrowningIsle. Not that thats a bad thing' date=' whatever the creator wishes to make and people are happy with. I'm just trying to work out whether I need to slot SSG into 'fun to play through, once or twice' or 'permanant feature of Skyrim' in my roleplaying.

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As I say, the sexout demo doesn't take itself entirely seriously. It's not part of the SSG continuity and I took a few shortcuts there that I'd never take in the main mod.

 

Mord Sith was just a concept we were playing around with' date=' a sort of basis for comparison when talking about a possible all female slaver faction. I don't think they'll call themselves the Mord Sith.

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Yeah, I definitely wouldn't be happy with actual Mord Sith in the guild. I don't mind having the body suit and the agiel findable somewhere, and there's no reason we can't have a mord-sith-like female faction, although that might work better as an add on or side quest.

 

There's no reason why strapons can't exist in Skyrim' date=' and those kind of gags have been around for centuries. Well, maybe not the dildo gag, but I don't see why that can't exist. So far I haven't seen Doc talk about anything planned that's lore breaking, really.

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Actually, the main reason I used the dildo gag was that I had a line about "finding something to put in that mouth of yours". I wanted the player to think they were going to switch to a BJ, and then stick a ball gag in, instead. Only I couldn't get a ball gag, so I went for the only thing I could find that obviously went into the mouth.

 

Then I redid the dialogue and scrapped the line. So there's no reason why the demo shouldn't use an Ulfric style gag, really. Though I still want ball gags eventually

 

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Though I might keep the dildo gag, just so if the player is gagged and butt-plugged, I can have one of the other slavegirls say something like "Aww, look! She's got two holes stuffed already and it's still not enough for her..."

[ZaZ]

Mmmmm,

Cant w8 to get my Copy Of Skyrim , Once I Do , Hopefully I will have the patience to Learn about the new Ck and Release a Few ZAZ Stuff For it .

 

Also Windu Had Sent me a PM if the ZAZ Assets could be used for Skyrim .

All Assets From ZAZ Oblivion and ZAZ Sexout maybe used as you please.

 

Wish You Luck on this Project .

 

Cheers and Thanks

[Daguy]

Thanks Doc, you always manage to reassure me. I just have such high hoeps for the mod. Sorry if i'm being a pain.

[Queen Bee]

 

 

Yeah' date=' I definitely wouldn't be happy with actual Mord Sith in the guild. I don't mind having the body suit and the agiel findable somewhere, and there's no reason we can't have a mord-sith-like female faction, although that might work better as an add on or side quest.

 

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Oh, that reminds me, I still need to flesh out the School for Girls thing and outline the side quest for it.

 

There's no reason why strapons can't exist in Skyrim' date=' and those kind of gags have been around for centuries. Well, maybe not the dildo gag, but I don't see why that can't exist. So far I haven't seen Doc talk about anything planned that's lore breaking, really.

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Actually, the main reason I used the dildo gag was that I had a line about "finding something to put in that mouth of yours". I wanted the player to think they were going to switch to a BJ, and then stick a ball gag in, instead. Only I couldn't get a ball gag, so I went for the only thing I could find that obviously went into the mouth.

 

Then I redid the dialogue and scrapped the line. So there's no reason why the demo shouldn't use an Ulfric style gag, really. Though I still want ball gags eventually

 

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Though I might keep the dildo gag, just so if the player is gagged and butt-plugged, I can have one of the other slavegirls say something like "Aww, look! She's got two holes stuffed already and it's still not enough for her..."

 

Haha, I'd like to see that line. I agree, ball gags would be wonderful. Still, the Ulfric gag would do nicely for simpler scenes.

[ZaZ]

Alright Doc ,

 

My Curiosity Got the Best of Me and It Seems Like , Animations with Blender are Possible For Skyrim , Obviously there is a huge work around

But none the Less they are Possible

 

I Still need to Learn how to get them in game , with out using the default Idle ,

 

 

I need some weighted Full Body Meshes , Any Idea if Any one has done that ?

 

Cheers

[DocClox]

Cant w8 to get my Copy Of Skyrim ' date=' Once I Do , Hopefully I will have the patience to Learn about the new Ck and Release a Few ZAZ Stuff For it .

 

Also Windu Had Sent me a PM if the ZAZ Assets could be used for Skyrim .

All Assets From ZAZ Oblivion and ZAZ Sexout maybe used as you please.

 

Wish You Luck on this Project .

 

Cheers and Thanks

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And thank you I can't wait to see some ZAZinnes coming to Skyrim

 

Thanks Doc' date=' you always manage to reassure me. I just have such high hoeps for the mod. Sorry if i'm being a pain.

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Not at all, really. I value your input.

 

It's a valid concern too, to be honest. I want to keep the Skyrim atmosphere, and sometimes it's very easy to slip into modern fetish mode, so that's definitely something worth keeping an eye on.

 

Oh' date=' that reminds me, I still need to flesh out the School for Girls thing and outline the side quest for it.

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Oh yes. I'm looking forward to that

 

Though I might keep the dildo gag' date=' just so if the player is gagged and butt-plugged, I can have one of the other slavegirls say something like "Aww, look! She's got two holes stuffed already and it's still not enough for her..."

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Haha, I'd like to see that line. I agree, ball gags would be wonderful. Still, the Ulfric gag would do nicely for simpler scenes.

 

Yeah. I think a big part of making player slavery work is going to be getting the hellos and the idle comments and the bits of chatter between NPCs to reflect the player's new status.

 

My Curiosity Got the Best of Me and It Seems Like ' date=' Animations with Blender are Possible For Skyrim , Obviously there is a huge work around

But none the Less they are Possible

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Whoo-hooo! That's great news.

 

It coudl be handy for me, too; I can muddle by on Blender on a good day. Maybe I can knock out some of the more trivial animations I need and leave the talented animators to do the complicated stuff

 

I Still need to Learn how to get them in game ' date=' with out using the default Idle ,

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Use FNIS 3.0. You need a folder for the modname and a configuration file. Put the animations in the folder, write the config file and run the Modders tool in Data/tools. Then run the users tool. After that, start the CK and the animations will appear as animation events in the gameplay->animation menu. You can then use them to define loose idles.

 

The FNIS readme goes into a bit more detail on the subject. There's also a working setup in the Sexrim demo. Feel free to use that as a starting point if you want - it's part of the reason I wrote the mod

 

I need some weighted Full Body Meshes ' date=' Any Idea if Any one has done that ?

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Rings a bell from somewhere. I'll have a look, unless someone else has the answer off the top of their head, of course

[smoke1967]

...mmmm...damn this is sounding more and more kink-a-licious...im sorry im mostly just a lurker since i have no skills in modding and i really lack the patience to learn (i've tried...honest...way back when with neverwinter nights)...i guess the point of this pointless post is...well..."faceless admiration...shameless adoration...and a damn healthy dose of thank you thank you keep up the awesome work"...all i might be able to offer is an odd voice if needed...i dont have anything special in way of high end recording equip but im willing to give it a shot if wanted...again...a huge thanks to all involved in this project......erm...lol...on rereading this i realized i sounded rather "fangirl-ish"...i am a mature (44) male gamer...with a love of this subject matter (ive dabbled with RL stuff enough to tie a real good knot...and i can tell a crop from a single tail from a cat)...but really...just...thanks and please keep up the good work

[sen4mi]

Hence why I asked about the style and textures^. A wooden ballgag and steel ring sort of fit' date=' though rubber and sythetic looking stuff wouldn't.

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(Hi! I am just visiting.)

 

I think you might be saying that latex trees do not grow anywhere on tamriel?

 

But perhaps we could find some insects that produce balls that are the right size?

[GHJKL]

Doc, this is a WIP but I really liked Break undies in oblivion.

Take a look if you have time, maybe?

 

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/20601/

[sbseed]

if we get to that point and someone else hasnt done it already it will most likely end up in the resource .esm file.

 

im sure doc will look at it when he has the time.

[DocClox]

...mmmm...damn this is sounding more and more kink-a-licious

 

Thanks! I do my best

 

I think you might be saying that latex trees do not grow anywhere on tamriel?

 

Well' date=' they probably do. You can also probably find chromium deposits and it's not too hard to make Bakelite plastic from cow's milk. But if we flood the place with chrome d-rings, latex catsuits and plastic ball gags, it won't look like Skyrim any more is the problem. It's not that it couldn't be done so much as we want to preserve the setting and atmosphere.

 

But perhaps we could find some insects that produce balls that are the right size?

 

That's possible. Those creatures on the Shivering Isles probably produce something usable. Certainly amber could be carved to make some cool stuff. If you could find a source.

 

On the whole though, I'd like SSG restraints to look like something that could have been hammed together by a Nord smith with a hammmer and a forge rather than something that just rolled off a factory production line. I guess that's the important distinction to me

 

Doc' date=' this is a WIP but I really liked Break undies in oblivion.

Take a look if you have time, maybe?

 

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/20601/

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Yeah, something I'd love to do.

 

if we get to that point and someone else hasnt done it already it will most likely end up in the resource .esm file.

 

Or even if someone does do it, if they want. It's a natural for resource handling. We've already got the list processing and the lookup code sussed, so in a sense we're halfway there.

 

The big problem with BU is that we don't have a damage rating like in TESIV so it's hard to tell how destroyed the garment should be.

 

Although there are ways to fix that, potentially. Like stick an armour extending script on the base garment and give it a percent_damaged value. And maybe an enchantment so we could catch player damage and apply it to the garment as well.

 

Then we'd just need three more copies of every item of clothing the game, of course. That's always been the catch

[ZaZ]

Taaa Daaaah !!!!

 

 

A lil Work Needed on the textures , But the animations are working

 

Cheers .

[DocClox]

Taaa Daaaah !!!!

 

A lil Work Needed on the textures ' date=' But the animations are working

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Fantastic! I could see one of them appearing in the Sexrim testing hall in very short order.

[00ptic]

I think you might be saying that latex trees do not grow anywhere on tamriel?

 

Well' date=' they probably do. You can also probably find chromium deposits and it's not too hard to make Bakelite plastic from cow's milk. But if we flood the place with chrome d-rings, latex catsuits and plastic ball gags, it won't look like Skyrim any more is the problem. It's not that it couldn't be done so much as we want to preserve the setting and atmosphere.

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While I do think it would be possible for them to use something similar to mold-injection, it would probably only be possible for molten metal, and the end result would be something you really don't want to bite into. It would sort of defeat the purpose of a ball gag so I'm thinking you'll want to go with something natural that could be formed into a relatively soft sphere shape, or possibly just leave the explanation of why it looks like plastic to the wizards.

 

 

Taaa Daaaah !!!!

 

 

 

A lil Work Needed on the textures ' date=' But the animations are working

 

Cheers .

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That looks useful

 

EDIT: I think the BU armor mentioned earlier bases the state of the armor directly on the player's hp, and is irreversible until you equip the ring that also comes with the mod. While this is fine for the testing phase, surely the player will outlast some of the skimpier items by a long shot. How would the armor extender work exactly? Would it be essentially giving the armor its own set of hit points? Also blunt weapons would presumably do very little damage to cloth but high damage to players...it seems like it could be complicated.

[Queen Bee]

Taaa Daaaah !!!!

 

 

 

A lil Work Needed on the textures ' date=' But the animations are working

 

Cheers .

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OMG I love that so much.

 

No really. I love this.

 

Oh god, the fun we could have with that.

[TheOniNinja]

But perhaps we could find some insects that produce balls that are the right size?

 

Chaurus egg ball gags. I'd actually like to see that! The falmer slavers could use them.

Imagine how wonderfully awful that would be for the slave!

[wraith_76]

The simplest lore friendly way to make a ball gag of sorts would to ues a monkey-fist knot.

 

http://www.realknots.com/knots/faqknot.htm

 

its an old knot sailors made for trowing lines ashore usualy they put lead in it for extra weigth

[Queen Bee]

But perhaps we could find some insects that produce balls that are the right size?

 

Chaurus egg ball gags. I'd actually like to see that! The falmer slavers could use them.

Imagine how wonderfully awful that would be for the slave!

 

Oooooh, I like it!

 

Er, I mean I don't like it. No! Not the chaurus egg ball gag! Anything but that! Please!

[jhondidfool]

The simplest lore friendly way to make a ball gag of sorts would to ues a monkey-fist knot.

 

http://www.realknots.com/knots/faqknot.htm

 

its an old knot sailors made for trowing lines ashore usualy they put lead in it for extra weigth

 

And here, ladies and gents, we have some good bondage advice. I wonder why I didn't think of the monkey fist... *Practices it a few times so he won't forget it again*

[delurker]

Chaurus egg ball gags. I'd actually like to see that! The falmer slavers could use them.

Imagine how wonderfully awful that would be for the slave!

 

Oh, hell yes! I could swear I read somewhere about the Falmer having found the temperature of the human body to be perfect for incubating just about any kind of developing organism, and with human females having such moist orifices and all...

[Schrodinger's Trap]

Just a quick question. Has anyone done any work on Crings from Oblivion yet.