Alternatives to LL

[Morrowind542]

Given LL's recent foray into mod censorship, I would like to find a new mod site to call home. Does anyone know any good mod sites that don't censor authors?

[gooser]

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and frankly the underage stuff I was seeing was making me worried that LL might get shut down.

[Morrowind542]

I'm opposed to censorship on pretty much all levels. Loli/shota content is not illegal(at least not in the US), and if you decide to consider laws in all around the world, all pornographic content should have been banned since it's illegal in many countries.

 

The bottom line is that I came here to get away from the censorship of the Nexus. While LL is still far better, I would like to find a place without censorship.

[bob11]

The line has to be drawn somewhere,

 

Eh... no.  It's friggin fictional whatever, there is no need for a line to be drawn besides going on witch hunts and assimilating people who aren't like the one making the rules.

[gooser]

 

The line has to be drawn somewhere,

 

Eh... no.  It's friggin fictional whatever, there is no need for a line to be drawn besides going on witch hunts and assimilating people who aren't like the one making the rules.

 

 

Yes, to me its fiction. To you its fiction. BUT it is the one area in the US and abroad that has gotten the most attention and "witch hunts".

 

I don't remember the specifics, but there was a story here in the US some months back about the feds and a swat team breaking into this guys house in the middle of the night because he left his wifi routed without a password, and someone else was using his internet for kiddy porn. I'm just saying this is the one area that needs special treatment.

 

I haven't heard of any stories (but maybe you have) of cases against bestiality porn, or gore porn, bla bla bla... 

 

Again, i could be wrong, but I think LL and Ashal took the correct steps in strengthening and clarifying the rules.

[Morrowind542]

 

 

The line has to be drawn somewhere,

 

Eh... no.  It's friggin fictional whatever, there is no need for a line to be drawn besides going on witch hunts and assimilating people who aren't like the one making the rules.

 

 

Yes, to me its fiction. To you its fiction. BUT it is the one area in the US and abroad that has gotten the most attention and "witch hunts".

 

I don't remember the specifics, but there was a story here in the US some months back about the feds and a swat team breaking into this guys house in the middle of the night because he left his wifi routed without a password, and someone else was using his internet for kiddy porn. I'm just saying this is the one area that needs special treatment.

 

I haven't heard of any stories (but maybe you have) of cases against bestiality porn, or gore porn, bla bla bla... 

 

Again, i could be wrong, but I think LL and Ashal took the correct steps in strengthening and clarifying the rules.

 

 

There was a case not too long about a man getting charged in the US for operating a bestiality website. There was also a case about a man being fined for ordering porn(generic porn, iirc) through the mail because of an old law from the '30s banning the use of the USPS to transport indecent material.

 

However, the reasons for the decision are really irrelevant to this thread. I am looking for another mod site, not a debate on whether any topic should be banned.

 

[blabba]

Click Here for a somewhat decent list of skyrim mod communities.

 

I'm not gonna debate the legality or morale issues of this stuff.

 

EVERY Community has rules, and you should abide by them if you want to be part of that specific community.

 

If you feel that you cannot abide by the rules, then it is in your best interests and in the communitiy's, that you leave peacefully and find a community that permits what you want in their own rules.

 

edit: The link above was made in jest , A lot of the communities are spread out between pages 1-3 but the major big ones are all their.

 

[Morrowind542]

Click Here for a somewhat decent list of skyrim mod communities.

 

I'm not gonna debate the legality or morale issues of this stuff.

 

EVERY Community has rules, and you should abide by them if you want to be part of that specific community.

 

If you feel that you cannot abide by the rules, then it is in your best interests and in the communitiy's, that you leave peacefully and find a community that permits what you want in their own rules.

 

edit: The link above was made in jest , A lot of the communities are spread out between pages 1-3 but the major big ones are all their.

 

Already tried Google. If it was that simple to find a site without censorship, I wouldn't have posted this thread.

[gvman3670]

I doubt there are any without some amount of censorship, aka forum rules. I am a mod on a huge forum, one of the biggest online, and the rules there are really strict. This place is the most lax I've ever seen.

[Morrowind542]

I doubt there are any without some amount of censorship, aka forum rules. I am a mod on a huge forum, one of the biggest online, and the rules there are really strict. This place is the most lax I've ever seen.

 

Obviously a forum has to have rules about conduct. I'm only concerned with censorship of mods.

[DoctaSax]

Pfft censorship. If we don't have some fuckin' rules about this stuff there'd be open fighting about it all the time, and guess what happens when people call for torches and pitchforks whenever they see a mod they don't like? We tell 'em to shut up as long as it's within the rules - censorship AGAIN, but in the other direction.

What a bloody police state this is

[windpl]

 

I doubt there are any without some amount of censorship, aka forum rules. I am a mod on a huge forum, one of the biggest online, and the rules there are really strict. This place is the most lax I've ever seen.

 

Obviously a forum has to have rules about conduct. I'm only concerned with censorship of mods.

 

 

You're overreacting, it is not censorship...

 

 

 

Pfft censorship. If we don't have some fuckin' rules about this stuff there'd be open fighting about it all the time, and guess what happens when people call for torches and pitchforks whenever they see a mod they don't like? We tell 'em to shut up as long as it's within the rules - censorship AGAIN, but in the other direction.

What a bloody police state this is

 

For example I would call to ban all oversized boobs mods ;p

[Morrowind542]

 

 

I doubt there are any without some amount of censorship, aka forum rules. I am a mod on a huge forum, one of the biggest online, and the rules there are really strict. This place is the most lax I've ever seen.

 

Obviously a forum has to have rules about conduct. I'm only concerned with censorship of mods.

 

 

Your overreacting, it is not censorship...

 

 

 

Pfft censorship. If we don't have some fuckin' rules about this stuff there'd be open fighting about it all the time, and guess what happens when people call for torches and pitchforks whenever they see a mod they don't like? We tell 'em to shut up as long as it's within the rules - censorship AGAIN, but in the other direction.

What a bloody police state this is

 

For example I would call to ban all oversized boobs mods ;p

 

 

Definition or "censorship": Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet or other controlling body.

 

 

As we are typically associated as being an adult pornographic community, we will not allow any sort of nudity or sexual content involving characters that could be seen as depicting somebody as underage. This includes any character that could be seen as loli, shota, child, or underage teen, regardless of it's position as a virtual character or the intent to be passed off as a mystical race who only looks young; the only thing that matters in this respect is what the character appears to be at a glance.

 

How exactly is that not censorship?

[Redflyingmonkey]

That's simple as saying hello. The mod had to go to the non adult section because of what it is. The only way was to remove the naked stuff, that I personally find distasteful even though I can understand not only pedos use it. It's that simple, a logical solution to an illogical problem, and it wasn't in any way censorship. 

 

But if you still want to consider it that way no matter what kind of argument we throw at you, you can try going to the Nexus and speak about how LL is a terrible dictatorship where you can't even put naked kid meshes in the adult section without risking the fury of the "backward-looking hardhats". I'm sure the DarkOne and his dogs will all serve you a hot beverage and sit you down on the couch to tell you how dumb it is not to allow goddam naked kid meshes  in the adult section of an adult website. 

 

Oh the humanity. 

 

 

Edit : By the way, this : 

 

 

Definition or "censorship": Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet or other controlling body.

 

 

 

Does this mean that when you stop yourself from saying "DICK ASS PUSSY AND DICKS" in the middle of a dinner with your girlfriend's family, you actually censor yourself ? Could that not be, say, a way to not look like a complete retard ? Wouldn't that make you explode like a robot facing a paradox since you "absolutely hate censorship" ? Definitions are good and everything, but there are such things as circumstances that you should learn about. 

 

[Dallas-Arbiter]

By US law, ANY depiction of an underage person in any sort of sexually revealing/stimulating manner is illegal. It's true, go and read up on it.

[Morrowind542]

That's simple as saying hello. The mod had to go to the non adult section because of what it is. The only way was to remove the naked stuff, that I personally find distasteful even though I can understand not only pedos use it. It's that simple, a logical solution to an illogical problem, and it wasn't in any way censorship. 

 

But if you still want to consider it that way no matter what kind of argument we throw at you, you can try going to the Nexus and speak about how LL is a terrible dictatorship where you can't even put naked kid meshes in the adult section without risking the fury of the "backward-looking hardhats". I'm sure the DarkOne and his dogs will all serve you a hot beverage and sit you down on the couch to tell you how dumb it is not to allow goddam naked kid meshes  in the adult section of an adult website. 

 

Oh the humanity. 

 

A. What mod? This rule is universal.

 

B. Assuming that you were refering to an actual mod, the fact that is contained nudity(which it would have to have to be subject to this rule) means that it goes in the adult section, just like all the other nude mods.

 

C. As I stated, I came here to get away from the Nexus.

 

D. Get some actual lessons in logic.

 

 

By US law, ANY depiction of an underage person in any sort of sexually revealing/stimulating manner is illegal. It's true, go and read up on it.

 

 

No, it's really not. Only real CP or CG that can be mistaken for the real thing is banned, and there are plenty of websites based in the US that openly host such content to prove it.

 

In fact, if such a thing was true, this website would have been shut down years ago.

[DoctaSax]

There's been enough bickering about it imo. Let's compare it to the "no politics" rule - sucks if you enjoy talking about politics, but I wouldn't call it censorship, just a behavioral code: it leads to sitewide animosity, and is also hard for us moderators to stay neutral on if we're called in for a ruling. The same applies to loli/shota content.

 

 

However, the reasons for the decision are really irrelevant to this thread. I am looking for another mod site, not a debate on whether any topic should be banned.

 

So let's stick to that.

Any modding sites out there with even more relaxed rules and enforcement of them than LL? I think not.

[Spyder Arachnid]

 

However, the reasons for the decision are really irrelevant to this thread. I am looking for another mod site, not a debate on whether any topic should be banned.

 

 

 

That's a lie and you know it. You wouldn't of brought up the whole censorship issue if you weren't trying to get a reaction in the first place. You obviously have an issue with it, or else you would of never mentioned it.

 

You worded your thread in a way that you knew would get people to respond to the recent rules. Don't act innocent. You knew what you were doing.

 

 

But if you want a site like LL, there is none. No other site out there allows all the things LL offers in one place. A few rules aren't going to change that. Regardless of the new rules, this site still caters to more people than any other site out there.

[Redflyingmonkey]

 

 

A. What mod? This rule is universal.

 

B. Assuming that you were refering to an actual mod, the fact that is contained nudity(which it would have to have to be subject to this rule) means that it goes in the adult section, just like all the other nude mods.

 

C. As I stated, I came here to get away from the Nexus.

 

D. Get some actual lessons in logic.

 

 

 

 

Ah you are the organized kind of guy, I see. It is peculiar that people always believe that putting a letter in front of their sentences make them more believable all of a sudden. I just see it as a remnant from elementary school education and it makes me laugh instead, but anyway, okay, here you go :

 

A. Apart from this one mod, did you or did you not notice any other occurrence of the thing you consider as "censorship" happening here on LL ? 

 

B. And it doesn't shock you in any way that the nude mod in question was specifically a kid nude mod in the adult section ? In any way ? Really ?! You don't find the moderators' decision logical here ??

 

C. I think you "came here" with a persecution syndrome, I don't hate you for that, Nexus does that to a lot of people. You do look ridiculous saying that LoversLab of all websites is censoring stuff though, just wanted to tell you that. 

 

D. I think with my last A.B.C points there is no need to answer to this. You seem to be the smartass kind of guy so I'm just going to stop here and do something actually productive since this is turning into the fucking Sisyphe myth, you being the rock. It is obvious that you are only opening this thread to start a pointless argument. Not even a dog would be dumb enough to insult a whole community then honestly ask it for an answer to his question, and I currently hate myself a little bit for jumping in the bandwagon.

 

Good luck in finding the website you are looking for (ahahahaha), bye.

[ratrace]

I've been moderating a german forum in which social problems such as homelessness, poverty, unemployment, bad working conditions, lack of medical care etc was discussed.

 

We were hit by lawsuits every now and then from asshole companies such as hardselling callcenters and the like. The admin of the forum lost thousands of Euros fighting against these pricks and is still going on. I clearly state that this cannot be expected from a forum like LL that is about gaming and modding. It is cool enough that the average superficial, pathetic chitty chat that you have in other forums is not the lowest common denominator here.

 

It is absoloutely my opinion that we don't have a problem with pedophilia, which is a paraphilia and as such should be subject to psychological and psychiatric treatment. If you can rise above the dumbed down tabloid crap about that serious matter, you will see that pedophile persons fail to get treatment because they are often rejected by doctors. Which aggravates the problem even more.

 

Every single person that partakes in the pedophile witch hunt has the blood of kids on his or her hands. However it should be mentioned that pedophilia does NOT equal rape and murder.

 

Men abusing women, women abusing men, adults of both genders abusing children. That is the problem.

 

The vast majority of these abuses occur in families, neighbourhoods, church environment etc. The very foundation of 'good' middle-class people. But that is kept under the rug. No, it's the deviant pervert hiding behind the bush (and of course it's a male, because women are angelic and clean and incapable of any violence whereas men are predators by nature, incapable of controlling their violent impulses, not to mention their primal urges), waiting to crush another body and soul.

 

A forum that is hosting virtual child nudity does nothing illegal, but because we are living in these fucked up times where every douchebag wants to compensate his own pathetic life by looking down upon others - because having THE OTHERS enforces the social cohesion of the real or imagined own social group - a forum with virtual child nudity will run into serious problems. Can't blamne LL for being careful with that. Can't even blame the Nexus. (I hope I did not hurt religious feelings with that last sentence.)

 

There is real kid porn out there. You know, these movies in which underage human beings of flesh and blood and mind are abused, tortured, raped, beaten and traumatized for life - if they survive, that is - for commercial reasons (which does not mean that there are any good reasons to do so). If the abovementioned hypocritical douchebags, the self-acclaimed kid porn inquisition that hunts not for kid porn but for stroking their crippled egos want to spruce up their boring lifes with some "I'm better than you"-action, they should target their agitation towards the real thing.

 

Same goes for the fucktard politicians here and elsewhere who cannot rise above what the majority wants because they need their votes. And what the mass wants is stricter laws. That's what they have learned. But the laws are there, and they are already strict. One way street for one track minds.

 

In a world in which every fucking bit of information that passes the big backbones is monitored, eavesdropped, stored, in a world in which any PC can be easily compromised via trojan soft on a driveby download site you get people to go to via DNS manipulation, noone can tell me in their right mind that a transnational alliance of law enforcement institutions cannot catch the ones that host real kid porn. Which is not porn, by the way. It's documented rape.

 

But discussing that would be too hard to understand for most. The people would have to deal with technical details, get rid of their Wannabe-Charles-Bronson-attitudes, turn off their TV and turn on their brains or what's left of it. So that's off the table of the political agenda as well as the public focus. Let's make stricter laws, yippieh.

 

My god, this world fucking sucks!

[...0...]

I use those mods but its good they removed it and mod makers had to change somethings so kids are not nude anymore.

 

It was good becouse guys came there asking if sexlab works with kids or one guy asking if he could married a kid he adore and have sex with her WTF or one guy who had a avatar with child being raped by two guys with big cocks SICK real SICK.

 

So some get upset and want the child mods removed i clearly understand there concerns.

 

Offcorse we can play nice and sweet here and pretend where innocent but we can't proof anything.

 

So best thing was remove all nude content from kids mods and place them in the non adult section.

 

I know there still zealots out there like religious fanatic freaks who still think who play with kids are perferts but i dont care i know im not, i just use mods so can make slim women instead of big boobs and bottoms i dislike.

 

I won't judge on other mods and preference in sexuality thats there business even tho some condem cots/kids mods i won't lower myself to there standards.

 

Im more for safety of kids then those who condem mods like COTS how is that for irony lol.

 

Have fun i will.

[ElectricSheep]

 

 

However, the reasons for the decision are really irrelevant to this thread. I am looking for another mod site, not a debate on whether any topic should be banned.

And because you look for alternatives you decided to make a thread and inform everyone about it - absolutely not because you want to stir up attention or arguments.

[Jexsam]

In before the lock.

[visitor112]

 

 

 

However, the reasons for the decision are really irrelevant to this thread. I am looking for another mod site, not a debate on whether any topic should be banned.

And because you look for alternatives you decided to make a thread and inform everyone about it - absolutely not because you want to stir up attention or arguments.

 

 

Well, it wouldn't have turned into argument if it were not for some of the guys making it one, Morrowind542 states clearly in every post that he doesnt want to make it such. If you don't have anything to tribute for that, why reply at all? Off-topic arguments will spawn more arguments from others. Just let the thread die naturally if this subject is not your cup-of-tea. Current progress will only make the mods to lock the thread (maybe that's the exact intention for some).

 

Morrowind542, you could make a blog where you post the mods and maybe others would reply/contribute in the comment section / let you feature their mods in the blog.

 

http://skup.dip.jp/ could be one place to upload them, westerners also look for new mods in there and it might get publicity that way.

 

There are also bunch of loli/shota communities, you could make a thread there or look for existing one. 2ch-type imageboard is also an option, although the thread would have to be remade from time to time.

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

Read to rage.

 

 

 

Of course it was censorship. It was placed in the adult section like it should have been, but people freaked out because holy shit somebody somewhere could do something perverse with this and changes were forced to make it conform to what other people wanted, under threat of banning I'm sure. Because fuck you and what you want from your mod, the will of the masses must take any and all precedent,

 

And then people bitch when somebody cries censorship, using the same old tired lines of that amount to "think of the children" and "I can't find the line between fantasy and reality, so I will judge you based on what you like and call you sick even though you're not doing anything actually wrong at all". At least Ashal has the balls to admit that he did it to cover his own ass from any legal problems caused by some over zealous group somewhere that has nothing else to do but cause trouble for people when they could be making an actual difference.

 

But everybody else? No, they just play moral superiority and act like their shit doesn't stink while looking down on people who don't share their warped little opinions.

 

But look at me, I'm being all troll like for not agreeing with the majority. I'll be awaiting those warning points and people denouncing me, perhaps replete with personal attacks. The gods know it wouldn't be the first time people attacked me for being what they considered a sick fuck for writing something they didn't like. Or take the boring path and just repeat for the thousandth time how forums have rules and if you don't like them leave and blah, blah, fucking blah.