MSMA: SexFight (like "Succubus Drain") and Bimbofication

[Mimirue17]

5 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

Added a new version, tweaks to guard against silly giggles sometimes going off mid aaf scenes or in between violate rounds.
Pretty confident that if Mimirue confirms high headcounts anims are working without the Indarello patch, this one goes up on the main page. 

 

MSMA_v0_7702.zip 24.29 MB · 2 downloads

I actually like the idea of her giggling when getting satisfied during gangbangs - and would probably turn the aggressor on even more   - that or piss them off making them try harder which is ok also

 

trying this one out for high count to see if they work

Edited August 4, 2025 by Mimirue17

[MSM_Alice]

Tested more and had to put together another patch. 
I think this 0.7704 is a robust  "stable version"  at this point. 

0.7704 - Patching an error on defacing tattoo application, and several bugs on the generic moaners spawn/despawn. Ghouls (non feral) are now using the human moans. Cleaner traces in the papyrus log.

[MSM_Alice]

51 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

I actually like the idea of her giggling when getting satisfied during gangbangs - and would probably turn the aggressor on even more   - that or piss them off making them try harder which is ok also

 

trying this one out for high count to see if they work

If that will be a thing, it will have to be built via a different system.


The system meant to deal with casual arousal effects outside of sex scenes should stay outside of sex scenes, or else, if we set exceptions over exceptions, the architecture becomes unmanageable

Edited August 4, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

1 hour ago, t3mplarbot said:

Thank you very much for this. It is super refreshing to see someone working passionately. Thank you again.

Thank you!

[Mimirue17]

Started a new game on 7702 and discovered that it is blocking AAF from loading (no pop up stating AAF loaded and use home key etc).   Home Key does not function and there is an AAF showing on the upper right.   Tried a violate scene and after gathering nothing happened.   Did check the debug section and it showed AAF present and everything looks ok.

 

to test I reloaded 680 and AAF pop up showed up and home key works again.   I reloaded 7702 after this and again AAF was not functioning.

 

as a side not it is showing skimpy armor keywords as being present but not validated on option further below.   That mod is not installed so that being present check is not functioning correctly.

 

edit: for reference I am running AAF 1.1.2 (the latest version) in case that is causing an issue

this happens in 7704 for me as well

 

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2025 by Mimirue17

[Leowulf]

2 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

Started a new game on 7702 and discovered that it is blocking AAF from loading (no pop up stating AAF loaded and use home key etc).   Home Key does not function and there is an AAF showing on the upper right.   Tried a violate scene and after gathering nothing happened.   Did check the debug section and it showed AAF present and everything looks ok.

 

to test I reloaded 680 and AAF pop up showed up and home key works again.   I reloaded 7702 after this and again AAF was not functioning.

 

as a side not it is showing skimpy armor keywords as being present but not validated on option further below.   That mod is not installed so that being present check is not functioning correctly.

 

edit: for reference I am running AAF 1.1.2 (the latest version) in case that is causing an issue

this happens in 7704 for me as well

 

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Confirming, I have the same issue on 7704.  Rolling back to 7692, I do not have this issue.  The game also seems unstable to even load in on 7704.  To test, I have a vanilla save game at the point where Nora has exited the cryopod after waking up.  With 7704, I had to load the game 3 times because the game crashed the first 2 times.  I made a save after most of the mods had printed a status message, and upon attempting to load that save from console (save 1, then load 1 commands), the game crashed again.

[MSM_Alice]

6 hours ago, Leowulf said:

 

Confirming, I have the same issue on 7704.  Rolling back to 7692, I do not have this issue.  The game also seems unstable to even load in on 7704.  To test, I have a vanilla save game at the point where Nora has exited the cryopod after waking up.  With 7704, I had to load the game 3 times because the game crashed the first 2 times.  I made a save after most of the mods had printed a status message, and upon attempting to load that save from console (save 1, then load 1 commands), the game crashed again.

Hmm.. are there any papyrus logs or crash logs ?
Is that on NG or OG ?

 

[MSM_Alice]

Probably something was off about the AAF high headcount animation redefinitions.
Removing those and reverting to dependence on the indarello patch..

 

Edited February 19 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

6 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Hmm.. are there any papyrus logs or crash logs ?
Is that on NG or OG ?

 

OG here are some logs

Papyrus.0.log Papyrus.2.log

[MSM_Alice]

20 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

OG here are some logs

Papyrus.0.log 53 kB · 0 downloads Papyrus.2.log 72.23 kB · 0 downloads

Thank you.

Try 7705 if you can. 


Or if you want to test manually go in the AAF folder and remove these three files. 
SavageCabbage_animationGroupData_MSMA.xml 
SavageCabbage_positionData_MSMA.xml

SavageCabbage_animationData_MSMA.xml 

There are some subtleties on how these redefinitions should be named and structured that elude me and the result is probably not okay.
We're back to needing Indarello's patch for it :).

These logs I think are captured from a save done on a newer version, but the mod has already been rolled back for a previous version? there are a lot of newer variables that the logs says are missing, and that would be indicative on a rollback to an earlier version.

This is a good reminder for me  to add a log trace with the mod version in the papyrus logs, so I know for sure :D.

Edited August 5, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

6 hours ago, Leowulf said:

 

Confirming, I have the same issue on 7704.  Rolling back to 7692, I do not have this issue.  The game also seems unstable to even load in on 7704.  To test, I have a vanilla save game at the point where Nora has exited the cryopod after waking up.  With 7704, I had to load the game 3 times because the game crashed the first 2 times.  I made a save after most of the mods had printed a status message, and upon attempting to load that save from console (save 1, then load 1 commands), the game crashed again.

Try 7705 please, and let me know if it makes it okay. 


In installed manually and not via a mod, manager.

go in the AAF folder and remove these three files. 
SavageCabbage_animationGroupData_MSMA.xml 
SavageCabbage_positionData_MSMA.xml

SavageCabbage_animationData_MSMA.xml 

[MSM_Alice]

It might be specific to the latest AAF, who knows.
I did a brand new  new game on OG and a 4 hr playtest sessions with 0.7704 , and nothing as extreme popped up.
But indeed, I was not using AAF 1.1.2 

Anyway removed the redefinitions, so assuming it should all be well. 

[MSM_Alice]

There might be more to it than this, as earlier AAF versions worked okay. 
This seems to be  specific to AAF 1.1.2 ?

AAF 1.1.2 also does not start (does not get the init screen) on my loadout (with MSMA or without, with MSMA redefinitions or without, makes no difference)
Reverting to 1.1.1 does not fix it. I will have to figure out what is happening... very mysterious. 


 

Edited August 5, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

1 hour ago, MSM_Alice said:

There might be more to it than this, as earlier AAF versions worked okay. 
This seems to be  specific to AAF 1.1.2 ?

AAF 1.1.2 also does not start (does not get the init screen) on my loadout (with MSMA or without, with MSMA redefinitions or without, makes no difference)
Reverting to 1.1.1 does not fix it. I will have to figure out what is happening... very mysterious. 


 

7705 worked with AAF, have not had a chance to do any sexfighting yet but received the pop up and home key functions.   Did crash on adjusting the MCM (adjusted JB and MSMA) then trying to save the game - not sure what would cause that.   Here is the Papyrus and Crash log

crash-2025-08-05-07-46-11.log Papyrus.0.log

[Nuka Cherry]

Just trying out the new version on an existing game (lvl 4 bimbo). I have to say, loving the new feature. I like forced actions when my character reaches a certain point (like dropping guns, stripping, offering herself, etc...). - had both pose and nipples fire off, so all is working.

 

Also, getting her out of sanctuary is proving difficult... just building the camp and farming materials from surroundings left her like this...

Edited August 5, 2025 by Nuka Cherry

[MSM_Alice]

1 hour ago, Mimirue17 said:

7705 worked with AAF, have not had a chance to do any sexfighting yet but received the pop up and home key functions.   Did crash on adjusting the MCM (adjusted JB and MSMA) then trying to save the game - not sure what would cause that.   Here is the Papyrus and Crash log

crash-2025-08-05-07-46-11.log 109.56 kB · 0 downloads Papyrus.0.log 186.44 kB · 0 downloads

Edit: that particular crash seems to have to do with pathing, but maybe not necessarily tied to MSMA ( as far as I know MSMA should change -0 things related to vanilla navmeshes).


What I found on my loadout is some older definition of Atomic lust made a key difference on whether AAF initalized at all or not. 

Granted it might not be the file itself, but how those definitions step or not on the toes of another redefinition from UAP or Indarello's or other animation patches.

This test was done  all without MSMA mod or anything MSMA related.

(examples of what worked and what did not are in the zip below) 

 

My working hypothesis is that  the more recent version of AAF might have changed something about how they handle re-definitions in the XML folder.
and nowadays the AAF XML folder needs to be cleaner (no overlaps, no over-definitions, no conflicting patches ) than what was accepted in the past, and it still worked.
Who knows.

Afte resolving the thing with that Atomic lust file, then my AAF initialized again , as it should on a new game. 
Then I re-added MSMA and tested new game with it too. And it worked/initialized normally too . On both AAF 1.1.1 and AAF 1.1.2

As a side note: It worked both with redefined XML files (7704) and without the redefined XML files (the newer 7705).
But to be on the safe side, will leave this as they were on 7705 (without any redefinitions in AAF's XML folder)  until I get a better understanding of how the redefinition system works or does not work nowadays.

 

I even deleted all the interim MSMA versions (any that would make additions to the AAF XML folder) , left up  for download just 0.7692  ( before it all)  and 0.7705 ( the latest) which both have no anim name redefinitions, they place no files in the AAF XML folder,  (so they both hard-require Indarello for the optional high headcount anims). 

 

Even though in my tests the redefined anims worked fine,  I realize they might break things for others in unexpected ways. 

 

culprit_XML.zip

Edited August 5, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

47 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

What I found on my loadout is some older definition of Atomic lust made a key difference on whether AAF initalized at all or not. 

Granted it might not be the file itself, but how those definitions step or not on the toes of another redefinition from UAP or Indarello's or other animation patches.

This test was done  all without MSMA mod or anything MSMA related.

(examples of what worked and what did not are in the zip below) 

 

My working hypothesis is that  the more recent version of AAF might have changed something about how they handle re-definitions in the XML folder.
and nowadays the AAF XML folder needs to be cleaner (no overlaps, no over-definitions, no conflicting patches ) than what was accepted in the past, and it still worked.
Who knows.

Afte resolving the thing with that Atomic lust file, then my AAF initialized again , as it should on a new game. 
Then I re-added MSMA and tested new game with it too. And it worked/initialized normally too . On both AAF 1.1.1 and AAF 1.1.2

As a side note: It worked both with redefined XML files (7704) and without the redefined XML files (the newer 7705).
But to be on the safe side, will leave this as they were on 7705 (without any redefinitions in AAF's XML folder)  until I get a better understanding of how the redefinition system works or does not work nowadays.

 

I even deleted all the interim MSMA versions (any that would make additions to the AAF XML folder) , left up  for download just 0.7692  ( before it all)  and 0.7705 ( the latest) which both have no anim name redefinitions, they place no files in the AAF XML folder,  (so they both hard-require Indarello for the optional high headcount anims). 

 

Even though in my tests the redefined anims worked fine,  I realize they might break things for others in unexpected ways. 

 

culprit_XML.zip 4.4 kB · 0 downloads

there is some quirk in 1.1.2 that is causing AAF to not deploy for some people (pop up window signifying it loaded) though when it has been asked about they are just referring to 'the manual' and not addressing it.   So I am not sure its safe to use at this point until someone actually looks into the cause (I used the picture of thier load order when installing mods so its exactly like they have it).   AAF team is not known to be the friendliest bunch so might take awhile to figure out what its conflicting with.   To be safe I am downgrading it back to 1.1.1 which seemed to work fine for 95% of things.

 

edit: this is the only thing that 1.1.2 has that 1.1.1 does not

 

Edited August 5, 2025 by Mimirue17

[MSM_Alice]

35 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

there is some quirk in 1.1.2 that is causing AAF to not deploy for some people (pop up window signifying it loaded) though when it has been asked about they are just referring to 'the manual' and not addressing it.   So I am not sure its safe to use at this point until someone actually looks into the cause (I used the picture of thier load order when installing mods so its exactly like they have it).   AAF team is not known to be the friendliest bunch so might take awhile to figure out what its conflicting with.   To be safe I am downgrading it back to 1.1.1 which seemed to work fine for 95% of things.

It might be that is not necessarily a bug.. but perhaps  just....  less forgiving about things like double definitions and such in the XML folder. 
That XML folder really needs to be combed and to be proper before the new AAF initializes, whereas older versions of AAF were more forgiving.

At any rate MSMA 0.7705 should work with both AAF recent versions  (and it makes no additions to the AAF XML folder on its own),  and I will try to work with 1.1.2 on my mod dev machine going forward. 

Edited August 5, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

1 hour ago, Nuka Cherry said:

Just trying out the new version on an existing game (lvl 4 bimbo). I have to say, loving the new feature. I like forced actions when my character reaches a certain point (like dropping guns, stripping, offering herself, etc...). - had both pose and nipples fire off, so all is working.

 

Also, getting her out of sanctuary is proving difficult... just building the camp and farming materials from surroundings left her like this...

Thank you so much for the confirmation.

It should be quite configurable in the MCM (on what Arousal level they apply and whatnot).
As a future development I am thinking to bring in more of the animation from DLOH (currently using about 8 out of 100) , and pick the more tame ones at lower level bimbo, and more risque/shameless ones at higher level bimbo. 

 

Edited August 5, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

here is the full change log from the installer for 1.1.2

 

 

Version 1.0.txt

[MSM_Alice]

18 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

here is the full change log from the installer for 1.1.2

 

 

Version 1.0.txt 2.58 kB · 2 downloads

1.1.2 is probably fine, as long as the XML folder is clean.

At any rate MSMA 0.7705 should work with both AAF recent versions  (and it makes no additions to the AAF XML folder on its own), and I will try to work with 1.1.2 on my mod dev machine going forward.

Edited August 5, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

19 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

1.1.2 is probably fine, as long as the XML folder is clean.

At any rate MSMA 0.7705 should work with both AAF recent versions  (and it makes no additions to the AAF XML folder on its own), and I will try to work with 1.1.2 on my mod dev machine going forward.

I believe your theory is correct.   I tried this mod to help clean up some of the animation packs 

 

and AAF did not deploy.   Removed it and it works fine again.

 

edit: if you try this mod make sure to delete the NAF folders or their copywrite thing will lock your computer.   Not sure why people do not make an installer that only installs what you need knowing it will lock you out by installing both....

Edited August 5, 2025 by Mimirue17

[Leowulf]

My game version is NG.

 

Not sure why anyone would be using NAF, since it doesn't even work and because the author of AAF kills their mod if you have NAF installed.

[MSM_Alice]

12 minutes ago, Leowulf said:

My game version is NG.

 

Not sure why anyone would be using NAF, since it doesn't even work and because the author of AAF kills their mod if you have NAF installed.

 MSMA 0.7705 should work with both AAF recent versions and NG or OG.

[MSM_Alice]

For testing 0.7706

A version for testing that brings back the internally defined high headcount Anims in the AAF XML folder, correctly this time in a way that does not mess with AAF initialization, and with totally separate names that should be okay for AAF 1.1.2, 1.1.1, and most other versions , NG or OG.

Now for real independent of Indarello's patch
A kind soul on the AAF Discord offered insight into what the issue might be and I figured out what I was doing wrong the first time around.

@Mimirue17 and @Leowulf please test and let me know if with this version, on a new game, AAF initializes and works without any MSMA-centric issues

 

Edited February 19 by MSM_Alice