MSMA: SexFight (like "Succubus Drain") and Bimbofication

[judge007]

@MSM_Alice

 

v0.7915

 

Keeps randomly teleporting me, short hops near where I am, sometimes Marina shows up as well

Not able to get much accomplished

 

reverting back to v0.7914 for now

[MSM_Alice]

45 minutes ago, judge007 said:

@MSM_Alice

 

v0.7915

 

Keeps randomly teleporting me, short hops near where I am, sometimes Marina shows up as well

Not able to get much accomplished

 

reverting back to v0.7914 for now

Hmmm... Probably something related to the new town portal, but I can't imagine what.
How did you get in that state? Was there a trick?

Did you use the town portal at all?
Was it a new game or an upgrade?
Are there any messages?

Edited October 7, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[not a BT shirt]

Some form of an idea to expand on this mod (dunno if its already been suggested), have a new stat called beast love, mutie love, etc or something along those lines and have it play on the SA themes that you can pick at the start of a playthrough, so if you become a bimbo then also start having sex with creatures whether humanoid or animal like, it builds up a new meter that makes it easier to sex fight or even coerce or use the bimbo infiltration with

[judge007]

1 hour ago, MSM_Alice said:

Hmmm... Probably something related to the new town portal, but I can't imagine what.
How did you get in that state? Was there a trick?

Did you use the town portal at all?
Was it a new game or an upgrade?
Are there any messages?

 

Didn't use the town portal at all, just teleported me

 

1st time was with Codsworth when cleaning the bugs out of the houses, 2nd house

After the bugs were dead went to talk to Codsworth and the loading screen with wait symbol came up

 

I was teleported to another location in the same house and Marina was there, no new dialogue just what you get from her to enable the holograph.

 

Three other teleports, all in Sanctuary, one of them with Marina

New game and no messages.

 

Same save with v0.7914 instead of v0.7915, no teleports at all

 

Update: Used a different profile with Commonwealth Slavers active & v0.7915

 

Teleporting happening there as well

Edited October 7, 2025 by judge007
Update

[hiono]

I've been curious for a while about the music. Whats your process for making it? theres a lot and it fits the context of where its used well

[MSM_Alice]

46 minutes ago, judge007 said:

 

Didn't use the town portal at all, just teleported me

 

1st time was with Codsworth when cleaning the bugs out of the houses, 2nd house

After the bugs were dead went to talk to Codsworth and the loading screen with wait symbol came up

 

I was teleported to another location in the same house and Marina was there, no new dialogue just what you get from her to enable the holograph.

 

Three other teleports, all in Sanctuary, one of them with Marina

New game and no messages.

 

Same save with v0.7914 instead of v0.7915, no teleports at all

I am super puzzled. 
The town portal does not move Marina at all. 
Maybe there's something else altogether.
Is it NG or OG ?


I will upload a new version. Could you try a brand new game on that and see if it happens the same way?

[MSM_Alice]

9 minutes ago, hiono said:

I've been curious for a while about the music. Whats your process for making it? theres a lot and it fits the context of where its used well

A LOT of iterations fine tuning, and mostly manually written lyrics. on Suno.ai

[MSM_Alice]

New test version, 
A significant change, which may alter the difficulty balance altogether.
(Could also introduce new bugs)

I would insist on a new game on this one


The BIG change is that  Sexfight difficulty (AP costs, and pleasure intensity ramp up)  now also depends a fair bit on personal NPC preferences/fetishes.


How clean or dirty  the player is ( some will want clean, others will want dirty), how combed or unkempt the hair is  (some will want a neat look, others will prefer a  " messed-up" look), and what restraints the  player wears or not
Butt size, chest size, sexual fame, whether they use makeup and proper hairdos, skimpy clothing, what kind of tatoos they wear (degrading or nice), how many piercings, even how inflated their belly is, all of them can matter, there are differences between individuals but also some unifying themes, some factions will want more of one thingng, other factions less of one thing. Raiders will generally prefer pierced bimbos with degrading tattoos, Gangsters less so, and  (they would want no piercing and higher class tattoos), so on. There can be individuals who differ from the pack, too.

 There will be a " bimbo eye" mode that will allow you to tell what things a certain NPC prefers. ( but not yet in) 

NPCs, if not set-up already, are set-up with these kinds of preferences the first time they interact with the player in an AAF scene, and then they remember these settings ( if they are the same NPC, they don't get re-randomized each single time). 

Naturally, certain key actors in the story will have these settings manually set by the story ( not all will have their preferences randomly generated). 
You could meet a certain super-fixated  NPC in the story, that you can only beat in a sexfight if you have a certain chest size that he likes ( might be very large or might be very small), and engage only in a certain type of sex ual activity, while being a certain kind of dirty,  any other endeavour is doomed to fail. 

Most auto-randomized NPCs won't have these kinds of super-hard preferences (where if one does not have a certain chest size and type of restraints, the interaction is doomed to fail)  -  that's mostly for story quests,  but in general sexfight will be harder/easier the more the enemy's desires and fetishes are understood...  and the more the player matches what the NPC desires. 
It brings more strategy and a need to prepare differently for, let's say, gunner territory than for raider territory, or gang territory, or super mutants, as each has its own "strength" and weaknesses to various aspects regarding the looks..

 

 

Be warned, this test version has a *small* bug, and all penises in the game, from an MSMA gameplay logic point of view, as considered as having the tiniest possible size. 
I am cooking a corrected update that will hopefully be good enough for the front page. 
It doesn't crucially break the mod, just that .. sexfight will probably be easier and there will never be any size-related problems, no matter the partner  

Edited February 19 by MSM_Alice

[judge007]

42 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

I am super puzzled. 
The town portal does not move Marina at all. 
Maybe there's something else altogether.
Is it NG or OG ?


I will upload a new version. Could you try a brand new game on that and see if it happens the same way?

Downloading now

Testing after, will try new game and other profiles as well

 

 

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Edited October 8, 2025 by judge007
Update

[MSM_Alice]

6 minutes ago, judge007 said:

Downloading now

Testing after, will try new game and other profiles as well

Thank you.
If it still happens, I'll make another build tomorrow with log traces, but I can think of no logical reasons why the teleport would happen randomly. 

Unless I mispacked or omitted some key files in the zip, and without realizing, I am using something different on my dev computer than what I am uploading to the thread. 
At first glance, I can't imagine what that might be

Edited October 8, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

20 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

New test version, 
A significant change, which may alter the difficulty balance altogether.
(Could also introduce new bugs)

I would insist on a new game on this one


The BIG change is that  Sexfight difficulty (AP costs, and pleasure intensity ramp up)  now also depends a fair bit on personal NPC preferences/fetishes.


How clean or dirty  the player is ( some will want clean, others will want dirty), how combed or unkempt the hair is  (some will want a neat look, others will prefer a  " messed-up" look), and what restraints the  player wears or not
Butt size, chest size, sexual fame, whether they use makeup and proper hairdos, skimpy clothing, what kind of tatoos they wear (degrading or nice), how many piercings, even how inflated their belly is, all of them can matter, there are differences between individuals but also some unifying themes, some factions will want more of one thingng, other factions less of one thing. Raiders will generally prefer pierced bimbos with degrading tattoos, Gangsters less so, and  (they would want no piercing and higher class tattoos), so on. There can be individuals who differ from the pack, too.

 There will be a " bimbo eye" mode that will allow you to tell what things a certain NPC prefers. ( but not yet in) 

NPCs, if not set-up already, are set-up with these kinds of preferences the first time they interact with the player in an AAF scene, and then they remember these settings (they don't get re-randomized each time). 

Naturally, certain key actors in the story will have these settings manually set by the story. 
You could meet a certain NPC that you can only beat in a sexfight if you have a certain chest size that he likes ( might be very large or might be very small) , and engage only in a certain type of sex ual activity, while being a certain kind of dirty,  any other endeavour is doomed to fail. 

Most auto-randomized NPCs won't have these kinds of super-hard preferences, (where if one does not have a certain chest size and type of restraints, the interaction is doomed to fail  - that's mostly for story quests),  but still it will be harder/easier the more these systems are understood...  it brings more strategy and a need to prepare differently for gunner territory than for raider territory, or gang territory, or super mutants, as each has its own "strength" and weaknesses to various aspects regarding the looks..

MSMA_v0_7916.zip 57.95 MB · 1 download

oh this sounds interesting.   Time to have a few outfits handy for the region you are in.   If I remember correctly, you can remove/put on piercings at Marina if they were purchased through her.   Most NR piercings can be unequipped if they were a set like facial ones Nisha puts on for example.

[Mimirue17]

1 hour ago, not a BT shirt said:

Some form of an idea to expand on this mod (dunno if its already been suggested), have a new stat called beast love, mutie love, etc or something along those lines and have it play on the SA themes that you can pick at the start of a playthrough, so if you become a bimbo then also start having sex with creatures whether humanoid or animal like, it builds up a new meter that makes it easier to sex fight or even coerce or use the bimbo infiltration with

Ya it was discussed awhile ago, Author not interested in using any kind of beastiality in the cravings system, just humanoid types.

[MSM_Alice]

7 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

oh this sounds interesting.   Time to have a few outfits handy for the region you are in.   If I remember correctly, you can remove/put on piercings at Marina if they were purchased through her.   Most NR piercings can be unequipped if they were a set like facial ones Nisha puts on for example.

While in a perfect world I could track and take into account everything, in reality, the gameplay in MSMA  will probably only take into account tattos and piercings placed at Marina, and by the MSMA  defacing tattoo system.

Depending on how easy and reliably I can track these elements if they are added in other mods, I might explore it, but by default, it is going to be the Marina added ones.

 

Some aspects are more generalized, though, dirt is from  GetDirty, juice layer are Commonwealth moisturiser, clothing skimpiness is SAKR.

Edited October 8, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[soilofgenisis]

2 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

New test version, 
A significant change, which may alter the difficulty balance altogether.
(Could also introduce new bugs)

I would insist on a new game on this one


The BIG change is that  Sexfight difficulty (AP costs, and pleasure intensity ramp up)  now also depends a fair bit on personal NPC preferences/fetishes.


How clean or dirty  the player is ( some will want clean, others will want dirty), how combed or unkempt the hair is  (some will want a neat look, others will prefer a  " messed-up" look), and what restraints the  player wears or not
Butt size, chest size, sexual fame, whether they use makeup and proper hairdos, skimpy clothing, what kind of tatoos they wear (degrading or nice), how many piercings, even how inflated their belly is, all of them can matter, there are differences between individuals but also some unifying themes, some factions will want more of one thingng, other factions less of one thing. Raiders will generally prefer pierced bimbos with degrading tattoos, Gangsters less so, and  (they would want no piercing and higher class tattoos), so on. There can be individuals who differ from the pack, too.

 There will be a " bimbo eye" mode that will allow you to tell what things a certain NPC prefers. ( but not yet in) 

NPCs, if not set-up already, are set-up with these kinds of preferences the first time they interact with the player in an AAF scene, and then they remember these settings ( if they are the same NPC, they don't get re-randomized each single time). 

Naturally, certain key actors in the story will have these settings manually set by the story ( not all will have their preferences randomly generated). 
You could meet a certain super-fixated  NPC in the story, that you can only beat in a sexfight if you have a certain chest size that he likes ( might be very large or might be very small), and engage only in a certain type of sex ual activity, while being a certain kind of dirty,  any other endeavour is doomed to fail. 

Most auto-randomized NPCs won't have these kinds of super-hard preferences (where if one does not have a certain chest size and type of restraints, the interaction is doomed to fail)  -  that's mostly for story quests,  but in general sexfight will be harder/easier the more the enemy's desires and fetishes are understood...  and the more the player matches what the NPC desires. 
It brings more strategy and a need to prepare differently for, let's say, gunner territory than for raider territory, or gang territory, or super mutants, as each has its own "strength" and weaknesses to various aspects regarding the looks..

MSMA_v0_7916.zip 57.95 MB · 2 downloads

While super cool, the main concern I have is that swapping looks can feel tedious and be really bimbo point consuming. The current menus don't really support quick and easy big changes to your looks, and the system can also possibly makes sex fight progression feel bumpy. (Enemies that like high appearance presets becomes a lot easier than enemies that like low appearance presets). Stuff like sexual fame honestly is super ard to control as well.

 

I think at least for randomized enemies i think it's best to limit preferences to more easily controled stuff like sex act type and clothing.

[MSM_Alice]

3 hours ago, soilofgenisis said:

While super cool, the main concern I have is that swapping looks can feel tedious and be really bimbo point consuming. The current menus don't really support quick and easy big changes to your looks, and the system can also possibly makes sex fight progression feel bumpy. (Enemies that like high appearance presets becomes a lot easier than enemies that like low appearance presets). Stuff like sexual fame honestly is super ard to control as well.

 

I think at least for randomized enemies i think it's best to limit preferences to more easily controled stuff like sex act type and clothing.

Of course, it is not my goal to be a maniac about it .

For things that are tedious to place/remove via the current UI, probably, there will be a way to temporarily " take out all piercings, then  put them back in as they were." 
or
Cover tattoos up with make-up, so you have a "no tattoo" look until the first bath.

Or add temporary tattoos until the first bath.

 

 

Things like that. Also, especially for randomized ones, to win a sexfight, you don't need to go and address every single little item on an NPCs checklist to maximize your punch, just the ones that are down your alley.
Checking half of the boxes, and maybe a bottle of bourbon might be more than enough.
A randomized NPC  might not love your piercings true, but maybe the size of your chest mesmerizes them enough to look past that.

 

 

That being said, you do have quite a few tools at your disposal to adjust your attributes, including sexual fame..
Sexual fame was traditionally hard to control, but bringing it down now at  Marina is rather trivial, as long as you have BP for cosmetic interventions, she can make you look like a new person, so noone will look at your face and remember your fame.  You can put your past sexual fame behind you overnight that way.

Edited October 8, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

6 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

Ya it was discussed awhile ago, Author not interested in using any kind of beastiality in the cravings system, just humanoid types.

@not a BT shirt

 

Thank you for the suggestion. Like Mimirue said, I am indeed not leaning towards building bespoke cravings for animals, (or by race in general) not gonna push anyone in that direction. I think there's sufficient content for that there's the SA perversion systems and such.

 

That being said, I am not filtering out /blacklisting partners by race on who can fulfill the current set of bimbo cravings and not, and everyone can individually control their partner races in their loadout,  by which animation packs they have installed and enabled as agressors in violate and whatnot.

 

The bespoke story will only deal in humans/humanoids and robots/contraptions. In general, sentient talking partners and their "toys".

 

Edited October 8, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

Is anyone else experiencing what is @judge007 experiencing, unexplainable teleports on the latest version, new game start (not an upgrade)?
I am having trouble getting that to occur at all, I have no clear idea where to grab that issue from.

[MSM_Alice]

Since I am fine-tuning this NPC preferences/fetishes system, and since in that system I also have defined the type of acts that some npcs are attracted (or repulsed) by, I have also defined that NPCs actually might be into (gasp)  non-sexual intimacy. 

Kept circling around the infiltration mode, and how it ties to that, and I think what it is missing are two things: 

- a way to use non-sex animations too, like the ones from C.H.A.K. ( and maybe that should be a way to use those for the charm aspect of  charm and prostitution too,  and not just default to sexual stuff there,  no matter what)

- in the Daze-fueled peace bubble:  a way to initiate a one-on-one animation with one of the dazed opponents, that would extend the daze-fueled peace bubble before it runs out (without necessarily doing a brand new AAF violate surrender, involving everyone). 

 

 

This made me realize several things

1. We could also have a different path into this daze peace bubble, other than violate surrender,  like a  Daze/Mesmerize action that a player could initiate either when
   1. is in regular stealth  / was not yet noticed by the enemies, OR the " regular" 
   2. while in the Daze peace bubble, and could be used on pacified enemies ( dazed or non dazed) to reset the dazed counter and extend the infiltration peace bubble.

 

1. This Daze/Mesmerize  could use either  the current sexually-loaded approach (the current default), or a non sexual interaction approach, if available (a C. H.A.K animation) 
   1. If sexual, you already know how things go. You will have an edge when compared to previous violate surrender because you now have them in a one-on-one, where you can calibrate your action just for them (which you might not have gotten the chance to do in the Violent Surrender before).
   2. If non sexual, there will be a few different things about that non sexual (yet sensual) AAF interaction, SexFight-wise
      1. A lot less CVT corruption/Bimbo depravity is able to happen, if any
      2. less pleasure build-up/ far less chance of orgasms happening there (but not totally impossible).
      3. Getting extra pleasure buildup in your partner in these not directly sexual animations would still be possible, but each challenge will eat a lot more AP ( maybe even 2x).  However, if you are supremely skilled at it   and your looks and presence are fine tuned to their sensibilities, you should be able to get them past the dazed pleasure threshold,  even n on sexually, without physically doing "the deed".
      4. if you get them quite worked up but don't manage to get them over the needed daze pleasure threshold "somehow" during the non sex animation, and if they are hostile, they might so turned on at the end of the non sexual animation so that they just forcefully start a new, now fully sexual animation at the end of it.  In this new scene, though, you'll now have an AP challenge bonus that you did not have before, which should be much easier to win than if you had jumped into sex directly.  If they are not hostile ( if you were doing this in a charm episode), they might make an ask for sex, but naturally will be able to take no for an answer if you say no. 
      5. Less messing up of the hair and makeup (but still some)  during the non-sexual animation.
      6. Far less depravity or other negative consequences.. 

 
What I like about this is that it opens up a ( harder) way to still do infiltration for players who do want to keep their bodycount or Bimbo level under tighter control.

Edited October 8, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

Four more songs for infiltration. I think it should be enough diversity.

I've explored a lot of electronic-themed styles

Dubstep, Chiptune, for undertones of chip electronic corruption, but I wanted something a bit different.
Infiltrations have a bit of  South African Zef influences

 

 

Mesmerize and Compromise

 

Eyes On The Prize

 

 

 

Dazzle and Drain (distinctively less Zef )

 

Mind Control

 

 

 

 

And link to make it easier to find the previous Zef-ish ones, from the same infiltration thematic pack : 
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/245511-msma-sexfight-gameplay-bimbofication/page/73/#findComment-7144899

Edited October 8, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[leetha]

On 10/4/2025 at 2:46 AM, MSM_Alice said:

Hmm. I have no idea what would be specific to this mod to get morphs to work, as far as I know, there are no specifics.
The exact same steps needed to get morphs to work in any other mod should be all that's needed for them to work here, too.

Things like building the morphs in BodySlide and the like.

Thanks for answer!
I tried other mods that should morph body non of them work so  it seems I did something wrong. I'll try to rebuild clothes and body(?) in bodyslide.
I am not very familiar how body morphs work in Fallout 4. I thought they work independently from sliders in bodyslide (like just multiply size of dependent nodes or something). Can someone please point me to some kind of guide on getting it to work so I won't spam in this thread?

[MSM_Alice]

53 minutes ago, leetha said:

Thanks for answer!
I tried other mods that should morph body non of them work so  it seems I did something wrong. I'll try to rebuild clothes and body(?) in bodyslide.
I am not very familiar how body morphs work in Fallout 4. I thought they work independently from sliders in bodyslide (like just multiply size of dependent nodes or something). Can someone please point me to some kind of guide on getting it to work so I won't spam in this thread?

probably here: 

And here
Discord

This is where most info is.
The BodySlide section, and the Fusion girl body (or whatever body replacer you want to use) section.

In general, when you install any new clothes, if they have bodyslide files, you need to run bodyslide and build the morphs.

Edited October 8, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[judge007]

@MSM_Alice 

 

Forget about previous complaint about teleportation.

 

Windows updated

Steam updated, then forgot my settings to not upgrade

So Fallout 4 is now half NG

Nvidia display driver upgraded and I can't get rid of the overlay

Windows Defender upgraded and is now blocking a lot of MO2

Game can not even load anymore

 

I am going into a rebuild now, lol

 

P.S.  I mentioned a problem earlier with layers being locked, the culprit is a mod called FO4 Nude Basics, avoid at all costs

[MSM_Alice]

I am working on an update. 0.7916 above had a big quirk (or rather a small quirk) 

A bug had slipped by in the 0.7916 test version above ( I feel a lot better that I didn't rush to put it on the main page),
Instead of the correct penis size value being read from the new actor value variables,  all sex partners in the entire game had, from an MSMA logical point of view,  the tiniest  0 value penis   (or 1  if they were lucky). 

0 is smaller than human size. 
1 is average human size. 

I saw 34 people downloaded that version from the thread, but no one noticed and complained about this yet

[Mimirue17]

3 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

Four more songs for infiltration. I think it should be enough diversity.

I've explored a lot of electronic-themed styles

Dubstep, Chiptune, for undertones of chip electronic corruption but I wanted something a bit different.
Infiltrations have a bit of  South African Zef influences

 

 

Mesmerize and Compromise

 

 

Eyes On The Prize

 

 

 

 

Dazzle and Drain (distinctively less Zef )

 

 

Mind Control

 

 

 

And link to make it easier to find the previous Zef-ish ones, from the same infiltration thematic pack : 
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/245511-msma-sexfight-gameplay-bimbofication/page/73/#findComment-7144899

No file in the last song?

[MSM_Alice]

3 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

No file in the last song?

No, the file was there.
Dunno.
I deleted and re-added it.