Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[Guest]

I've met some problems while cosplaying falmer slave. Got a load of mods to make it immersive (Estrus Chaurus, Beeing Female and something else) and bound animation always messes everything up. Every time my char gets impregnated by chaurus/falmer and is laying eggs/giving birth, your animation stops it and she is just standing while doing that. I would suggest thinking about implementing some features from these mods to make them compatible.

[Azn]

 

Found out by accident that Serana apparently does not get enslaved when the PC does. Not sure if it's because I haven't completed the Dawnguard storyline yet or not, as I only noticed this after I got enslaved with her tagging along, but I thought I'd point it out, just in case. I'll try it out again later after I finish Dawnguard.

 

Serana has a special follower package which makes it difficult for other mods to handle her properly (you see... that's because Serana is special ).

 

We would have to make an exception for her and dismiss her directly upon enslavement.

 

For the short term, you can just disable the enslavement scenario while she is tagging along and reload before you got enslaved.

 

 

Yeah, I figured it was probably something like that. No worries though, I found a roundabout way to address that, just takes a little setting up beforehand. Just used the Puppet master Puppet spell on her and then give her my bindings/collar during enslavement. Can make her undress if I want to with the Puppet Master dialogue, and she automatically equips the bindings and collar and kneels down.

 

She does randomly stand up and move her arms a bit when she talks, but it goes back to normal afterwards and works enough so that it's no longer distracting when my PC gets enslaved.

[DeepBlueFrog]

We still have to disable the ragdoll from DA MCM, right? 

(I'm a bit confused by this: Fixed: Ragdoll issues from DA)

 

Nope... Ragdoll should be working now.

 

I had it turned on for my tests over the past few days and I haven't had any problem with it so far.

[badtwister]

I have a question regarding Defeat?  Would it be a good idea to keep Defeat and use it for NPC vs. NPC interactions and just disable it for handling how it interacts with the PC or should I just disable it all together?

 

[Jwoodz]

Hello, first I would like to say that I think this a very well worked out mod

 

Second I seem to have an issue where I am looped upon entering Sanguine's Dreamworld when he saves me.

It says Sanguine is taking you under his thumb 2.00000

I spawn in, it says (Dream) Healing, then I am able to move.

Then after a couple of seconds it again says Sanguine is taking you under his thumb 3.00000 & this keeps happening to me with the number going up.

I'm running the latest version of both Sexlab, SD+ (202) & Death alternative (4.5)

[Kalthen]

First off... thank you, skyrimil, for the update and the DD integration.

 

Just started testing... updated DA to 4.5 got all the new Devious updates and the new SD... 

I tried enslavement north of Helgen on a lvl 1 with bandits blocking the road for a robbery... so skip along, on my way to Riften, and fall into their trap.

 

1st attempt:

I cautiously save before the fight. So a few bandits fall on to me. Some with bows and melee. I go down the first time in front of a big orc with a two-hander. Enslavement works as he was alone. The other bandits got into a fight with wolves. But somehow my camera got messed up in sexlab so I had to reload.

 

further attempts with same group:

Once all hammer and shoot into me I always get the DA on death event the screen blacks out and I die. Enslavement is not possible anymore.

 

I will leave the group and try another. I think once I get past the first enslavement the DA Dreamworld  event should kick in.

 

This was just 20 min into my first run. The settings in DA are the same as in the last version. I even tried to turn off the on death event to no avail. SD Bleedout doesn't kick in anymore. 

 

 

Second try with bandits placed at me worked fine. I think it depends on how much damage i receive in bleed out. 

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

First off... thank you, skyrimil, for the update and the DD integration.

 

Just started testing... updated DA to 4.5 got all the new Devious updates and the new SD... 

I tried enslavement north of Helgen on a lvl 1 with bandits blocking the road for a robbery... so skip along, on my way to Riften, and fall into their trap.

 

1st attempt:

I cautiously save before the fight. So a few bandits fall on to me. Some with bows and melee. I go down the first time in front of a big orc with a two-hander. Enslavement works as he was alone. The other bandits got into a fight with wolves. But somehow my camera got messed up in sexlab so I had to reload.

 

further attempts with same group:

Once all hammer and shoot into me I always get the DA on death event the screen blacks out and I die. Enslavement is not possible anymore.

 

I will leave the group and try another. I think once I get past the first enslavement the DA Dreamworld  event should kick in.

 

This was just 20 min into my first run. The settings in DA are the same as in the last version. I even tried to turn off the on death event to no avail. SD Bleedout doesn't kick in anymore. 

 

 

Second try with bandits placed at me worked fine. I think it depends on how much damage i receive in bleed out. 

 

In DA, raise the % health slider for high damage (Can't remember the exact name). This is help with one shots at low levels.

 

The OnDeath event will take you to Sanguine only after you have been enslaved once and then released, slept and visited Sanguine's realm. Before that, you just die the same way it used to happen in 1.16.

 

If you disable the OnDeath event, you will still have the default OnDeath event from DA, which is simply death.

[DeepBlueFrog]

I have a question regarding Defeat?  Would it be a good idea to keep Defeat and use it for NPC vs. NPC interactions and just disable it for handling how it interacts with the PC or should I just disable it all together?

 

That could work, although in my tests, I was still getting Defeat events for PC as a victim even if I disabled that side (I think something went wrong when I upgraded Defeat).

[DeepBlueFrog]

Hello, first I would like to say that I think this a very well worked out mod

 

Second I seem to have an issue where I am looped upon entering Sanguine's Dreamworld when he saves me.

It says Sanguine is taking you under his thumb 2.00000

I spawn in, it says (Dream) Healing, then I am able to move.

Then after a couple of seconds it again says Sanguine is taking you under his thumb 3.00000 & this keeps happening to me with the number going up.

I'm running the latest version of both Sexlab, SD+ (202) & Death alternative (4.5)

 

Were you attacked by someone wielding magic when you first died into that loop?

 

If it possible you are hit by a magic effect that keeps killing you over and over before you have a chance to heal.

 

We discussed that possibility with the author of DA and I am still thinking of how I can handle it with sanguine's Dreamworld.

[Jwoodz]

 

Hello, first I would like to say that I think this a very well worked out mod

 

Second I seem to have an issue where I am looped upon entering Sanguine's Dreamworld when he saves me.

It says Sanguine is taking you under his thumb 2.00000

I spawn in, it says (Dream) Healing, then I am able to move.

Then after a couple of seconds it again says Sanguine is taking you under his thumb 3.00000 & this keeps happening to me with the number going up.

I'm running the latest version of both Sexlab, SD+ (202) & Death alternative (4.5)

 

Were you attacked by someone wielding magic when you first died into that loop?

 

If it possible you are hit by a magic effect that keeps killing you over and over before you have a chance to heal.

 

We discussed that possibility with the author of DA and I am still thinking of how I can handle it with sanguine's Dreamworld.

 

 

I wasn't attacked, It happens after several escape attemps, punishments & cursing at my master.

I do know that right before I'm pulled away by Sanguine the punishment scene starts & apply's items to the PC, could that interfere?

 

[BladedRonin]

what plans do you have for animals?

 

[Another seeker of eternity]

i have all proper patches installed, still i crash every time i get enslaved by burned spriggan (dragonborn)

[Marcus01]

skyrimll, did you try using the new Defeat that was released yesterday? Goubo added some basic support for DA and Defeat player as victim will now trigger on bleedout. I haven't tested using Defeat and SD+ because I was waiting for your update, thanks btw

[Buffmutti]

I think someone said once "Never change too many things at the same time". SD 2.01 worked flawless on my Computer, SD 2.02 does not (and the source of some of the bugs seems to be DD).

 

First problem: If you set up all Mods in Helgen (which i always do) and you then make the settings about the used blindfold view and set this to "dd-Blindfold" (or something like this) then DD will force you to play in 3rd person view, you will not be able to switch to 1st person view as long as you dont wear a blindfold (which is unlikely to happen in Helgen).

 

Second problem: After being enslaved by Bandits everyone started to "float" above the ground (see screenshot)

 

Third problem: After being enslaved i pressed "T" and tried to wait, but somehow it seems that "T" means "Terminate" now, because when i pressed that key the whole game stopped, the only way out was to kill the process in the taskmanager. Will check if it happens again.

[crudo]

I haven't upgraded to the latest mod yet but the previous one had my female character wearing a strap-on when a female master would assault her, the master would also wear a strap-on.  In other mods as a vicitm only the aggressor has the strap-on.  Has this happened to anyone else?

[Buffmutti]

Ok, the third problem didn't appear again and the second problem (floating people) could be a problem with the room, in that area where i made the screenshot everyone is floating, in other areas of the room this doesn't happen.

[Whiskeytangofoxtrot]

Sanguine Debauchery is still not working for me. At all. Even with the new update. Neither is Defeat (tested without SD or Submit running) but that is for a different thread.

 

I have disabled all other combat rape mods, Submit and Defeat, in mod organizer. I am only running SD. Enemies simply hit me until a message pops up on the screen that says "you cannot escape death here" and then my character dies. No enslavement, no combat rape.

 

 

Some things:

Adjusting the one hit chance slider to ridiculously high levels doesn't prevent this.

 

Unless Bandits cannot enslave you, I have no idea what's going on.

 

Edit, and I have DAYMOYL installed.

[jfraser]

SD and DA work fine for me now. Hopefully Submit+DD will connect with DA also.

 

In all your spare modding time, I noticed that the Spriggan quest no longer seems to think the estrus tentacles are masturbation. I'd like to extend a formal request to make the estrus tentacles the default self-sex position for the spriggan quest - it fits very naturally with the theme. 

[Samson Nite]

Hi Skyrimll,

I have read most of the comment on your new SD+ release, so far.

Most of them complaint that SD+ is not triggering start to work, especially with Defeat and Submit.

Defeat and Submit are most well known and woking well mods in Skyrim.

SD+ worked well before you combined with DA. I know you want to make it better with SD+ and DA.

However, the fact is that it does not workwith Defeat and Submit. I don't understand why you still try to keep DA. If it does not wotk, you can forget about using DA, because SD+ worked fine without DA.

 

My suggestions,

 

1. Focus on how to triggering on slavement. Fogert about dependency on DA. Go olong SD+. If it doe not triggering, what is yhe use of SD+????

2. Follow the rule of Defeat and Submit. Suggest or fix the exact number of life % to trigger enslavement, if you want to use DA, period.

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

Hi Skyrimll,

I have read most of the comment on your new SD+ release, so far.

Most of them complaint that SD+ is not triggering start to work, especially with Defeat and Submit.

Defeat and Submit are most well known and woking well mods in Skyrim.

SD+ worked well before you combined with DA. I know you want to make it better with SD+ and DA.

However, the fact is that it does not workwith Defeat and Submit. I don't understand why you still try to keep DA. If it does not wotk, you can forget about using DA, because SD+ worked fine without DA.

 

My suggestions,

 

1. Focus on how to triggering on slavement. Fogert about dependency on DA. Go olong SD+. If it doe not triggering, what is yhe use of SD+????

2. Follow the rule of Defeat and Submit. Suggest or fix the exact number of life % to trigger enslavement, if you want to use DA, period.

 

Actually, Defeat is moving toward compatibility with DA already.

 

I had issues using both Defeat and Submit and SD before DA as well, so that isn't the problem.

 

The dependancy with DA is solving too many problems I had in SD before for me to ever go back without it. It is here to stay.

 

Besides, enslavement is triggering just fine. I have tested dozens of enslavements over the weekend, sometimes even back to back to back from one master to the next and that without any problem.

 

The main issue with Defeat and Submit is that they all compete for the same health based trigger.

 

Once Defeat is using DA as the background framework, SD should be working just fine with it.

It is only a matter of convincing the author of submit to do the same and we will all be happy to use all three mods together.

[Azn]

Just started a new game with the update, and overall it's working well so far. Did notice that the enslavement is slower to start up than in the previous versions, and when the screen fades to black and then fades back in, it always says 'You still have some life in you' before the enslavement actually kicks in about 2-5 seconds later. Also had an odd experience with a guard I attacked by mistake and then proceeded to get killed by, after he got my health low and I paid the bounty, he enslaved me after I reappeared in front of Dragonsreach. Apparently, he was a corrupt guard.

 

Other than those two things, haven't had any actual issues so far.

[Samson Nite]

Hi SkyrimII,

Thank you for your reply. I have no vicious intend to hurt you. Like Azn and very few ather people, including you, it triggered well and you are happy about that.

 

In the meantime, for most of people it doesn't seem to triggering animation. What is that?

The probibility that people enjoying your mod is very minimum. On the contrary, it is just anoying to try again and agin that is not working.

Many people get away SD+ long time ago for many reasons and came back finally to see any improvement. SD+ was great at the beginning with well intended motivation from SD1. However, I don't see much progress from SD1.

At least, nobody complained about triggering anaimation. Triggering animation is first thing to be cleared. Other thing such as as condition of DA or ... is additional thing can be thought later on. First thing is first thing.

 

If you cannot simplify or resolve triggering issue clearly very soon, regradless for AZN or other few people it is still working, SD+ can be easily forgotten as SD1 and never used as othern popular mods.

 

That is what I am concerned, because the SD+ story and intention of yours is great.

[Samson Nite]

Continue....

I have lookinto many mods in skyrim such as being female. The mod creator, took care of the issue first as soon as an issue found until nobody has that issue occuring. There were so many isses, such as why baby born animation is not triggering. he gave all his focus to fix that at first. Finally, it came to work.  Everybody is happy now with being female mod. He is still working to improve the details.

 

There is always animation triggering issue as first step. SD+ has not resolved this issue. I spent whole day today to triggering animation of enslavement. Not working at all with many other numbers of DA life/Defeat Life %. Why is this crap?

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

Continue....

I have lookinto many mods in skyrim such as being female. The mod creator, took care of the issue first as soon as an issue found until nobody has that issue occuring. There were so many isses, such as why baby born animation is not triggering. he gave all his focus to fix that at first. Finally, it came to work.  Everybody is happy now with being female mod. He is still working to improve the details.

 

There is always animation triggering issue as first step. SD+ has not resolved this issue. I spent whole day today to triggering animation of enslavement. Not working at all with many other numbers of DA life/Defeat Life %. Why is this crap?

 

Well that is where the problem lies.

 

I switched to DA precisely because there were many more issues with triggering enslavement in previous versions of SD+. 

Crowds were still fighting after you went down, magic attacks never ended, you could get killed with one shot or get stuck in bleedout mode. So I am addressing 'first thing first' before moving into what I really want to work on - quests and better relationships between master and slave

 

After switching to DA, these issues are gone as far as I can tell. That's the problem here - I cannot reproduce these issues people are reporting, so it is difficult for me to fix what I cannot experience.

 

I have been trying, for many weeks now, to fix things blindly. Sometimes even breaking what used to work well in attempts to fix issues others are having.

 

I know it doesn't help anyone experiencing these issues to hear that things are working great here - yay for me. But at the same time, I am in the dark as to what is causing this since everything is working fine here.

[Samson Nite]

Hi SkyrimII,

 

One thing I noticed is that DA MCM is not showing at all, after I install DA and SD+ together. Sometimes idt shows when I installed DA only with DA_for_Modders. I felt weird. Does DA really working well with SD+?