Animal Research: The Insatiable Scholar

[Gristle]

14 hours ago, eflat01 said:

Should probably double-check all her packages... She's used latter for a force greet after the werebear. Her packages are all driven off the Netch, Boar and Werebear quests.

 

VAR_NaryuBarrelFG (The Netch quest's force greet outside the Retching Netch)

- VAR_Netch stage  = 40

 

VAR_NaryuSVinInn (When between the Netch quest force greet and stages of the Boar quest she should be in the Retching Netch)

- VAR_Netch stage >= 46 And

- VAR_Boar stage < 205 And

- VAR_Boar stage >= 250 And

- VAR_Werebear <180

 

VAR_NaryuSVFG  (Skall Village force greet during the Werebear starting the Chase)

-  VAR_Werebear  = 180

 

VAR_NaryuGoInHall (walks into Skall Greathall once Chase quests assigned)

- VAR_Werebear  >= 186 And

- VAR_Chase < 20

 

She should not be in the Retching Netch unless the Netch Quest is at stage 46 or above and the boar quest particular stages and the werebear must not be winding down. 

 

So, this looks to me that if she don't force greet Tirwin she will not go in the inn until stage 46 of the Netch quest. She will not sandbox in the inn during her parts at the mine with Reiklings/Boar and of course come her part at the end of werebear quest 

 

Heights of Ecstasy

 

Var_Netch stage 40 is:

We should travel back to Raven Rock and ask the innkeeper if he knows where we can find a netch nearby.

 

Var_Netch stage 47 is: 

We met the Dark Elf Naryu, who we last saw in Whiterun. We should ask her if she knows of a male netch or family of netch nearby.

I took a look at this. The basic set up is OK. On stage 40, Naryu is enabled, moved directly in front of the Retching Netch, and is given a force greet package that makes her wait there until she force greets the PC. Nothing moves the stage off 40 until she begins her dialogue. 

 

However, that allows for someone to run by her and enter the tavern. I'm not sure why this happens (because she's right in front of the door). But to try to address a player bypassing Naryu, I gave dialogue to the innkeeper to direct the PC back to Naryu. However, I didn't implement this well.  I'll make the following updates to v0.43. 

 

* Make Naryu sandbox in the Retching Netch on any stage higher than her force greet stage (and less than 205) to keep her nearby.

* Put a quest marker on Naryu if the innkeeper directs you to her.

* EDIT: And fix the sandbox in the inn package - the conditions were messed up

 

Edited July 30, 2025 by Gristle

[eflat01]

23 minutes ago, Gristle said:

I don't think the design of the bottles that Tirwin carries in her inventory is worth a lot of effort. They'll probably never be seen in the world.

 

Neither do I, also the empty bottle's issue was not it's model, @apEna figured out and posted. 

[eflat01]

11 minutes ago, Gristle said:

I took a look at this. The basic set up is OK. On stage 40, Naryu is enabled, moved directly in front of the Retching Netch, and is given a force greet package that makes her wait there until she force greets the PC. Nothing moves the stage off 40 until she begins her dialogue. 

 

However, that allows for someone to run by her and enter the tavern. I'm not sure why this happens (because she's right in front of the door). But to try to address a player bypassing Naryu, I gave dialogue to the innkeeper to direct the PC back to Naryu. However, I didn't implement this well.  I'll make the following updates to v0.43. 

 

* Make Naryu sandbox in the Retching Netch on any stage higher than her force greet stage (and less than 205) to keep her nearby.

* Put a quest marker on Naryu if the innkeeper directs you to her.

 

 

Yes the only way I can figure out how anyone could bypass it is if people were so quick they fast travelled to the door and clicked it so quick. If I remember doesn't she force greet Tirwin first?

[Gristle]

1 hour ago, eflat01 said:

 

Yes the only way I can figure out how anyone could bypass it is if people were so quick they fast travelled to the door and clicked it so quick. If I remember doesn't she force greet Tirwin first?

She force greets the PC, as that's the only way force greets work. But the PC does not have a response choice to her force greet line. Instead, a scene starts between Naryu and Tirwin and Tirwin responds. Then Naryu force greets the PC again at the end of that scene to continue the conversation with the PC. 

 

Force greets where the PC has response options stop the PC dead in their tracks.  However, force greets where the PC has no response options don't stop the PC. So, here, the PC can be force greeted and keep walking/running. I just tested v0.43 (not yet posted) and it works fine even if you try to sprint past Naryu. In fact, she follows you into the tavern to finish the dialogue, much like other NPCs do when they start talking to you just before you go through a door. Also, she now properly enters the inn after the conversation.  

[Donuts4me]

I've just completed the vampire part on 0.42. Not sure what bugs you fixed on 0.43 but here is what I encountered.

 

When doing the pond scene outside, after Serana and Tirwin do their thing the player needs to talk to Serana, I kind of broke off the conversation and when I tried talking to Serana again, the needed dialogue was gone and I got stuck and had to reload. That was my bad and an easy fix, but you might want to make that dialogue repeatable in case a dummy like me exits a conversation before it finishes.

 

Spoiler

 

I encountered a quest stopping bug when doing the gargoyle part. After Tirwin has her first round with the gargoyle she comes up and says something about the gargoyle's cum dripping out of her and then suddenly everything just stops and she starts following me. No dialogue to advance the quest.

 

I notice it is about stage 210 when this happens. I used setstage a few times to advance everything to stage 220 and then all the optional stuff at the end was available and everything worked fine from there. Tirwin even went to her designated watch location.

 

On a side note, how is Tirwin supposed to be dressed when at this stage? After fucking the gargoyle for the first time, is she supposed to be naked like with most other activity scenes? For me, she is in her regular clothes before her first gargoyle scene starts. When that ends and I get to the stage where I get stuck, she is back in her thrall clothes. Last time I saw her wearing those is before we started fighting our way to Valerica.

 

As a request, could you make it so that both Tirwin and Valerica stay naked after their first SL interactions? They keep redressing whenever they are not in action. Same with Serana and the death hound. It would be nice if everyone just stayed naked until the party was over and the player says its time to look for the next book.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Not a big deal, but the option to have the player and Tirwin have fun together is infinitely repeatable. I know you usually don't do that.

 

Spoiler

 

 

When the player is sent to find Serana lying naked on the bed shortly before it is time to leave, she wants to bite the player one more time before the sex, I agreed but the sex just started and I never got bit. Either I had a temporary glitch or you didn't assign the bite on that one.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Where is the portal door supposed to be? I see it floating in the air in the middle of the room. I would expect it to either be right up against the balcony or down on the floor in the middle of the circle. Not sure if this is actually a bug?

 

Spoiler

 

 

For the Vampirelord, I was getting stuck with one outdated Funnybiz animation. I looked at your script in CK and saw you have tags  (2,"VampireLords", "Rough,Aggressive"). I changed it to  (2,"VampireLords", "Rough","Aggressive") and now I have a better selection with "Rough" and "Aggressive" separated. You might want to do the same.

 

I think that's everything for now. I'll continue the rest later and report any other bugs I find. Although now that you have 0.43 up I might just want to start over.

 

Thanks and keep up the good work!

 

Edited July 30, 2025 by Donuts4me

[killer905]

29 minutes ago, Donuts4me said:

I've just completed the vampire part on 0.42. Not sure what bugs you fixed on 0.43 but here is what I encountered.

 

When doing the pond scene outside, after Serana and Tirwin do their thing the player needs to talk to Serana, I kind of broke off the conversation and when I tried talking to Serana again, the needed dialogue was gone and I got stuck and had to reload. That was my bad and an easy fix, but you might want to make that dialogue repeatable in case a dummy like me exits a conversation before it finishes.

 

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I encountered a quest stopping bug when doing the gargoyle part. After Tirwin has her first round with the gargoyle she comes up and says something about the gargoyle's cum dripping out of her and then suddenly everything just stops and she starts following me. No dialogue to advance the quest.

 

I notice it is about stage 210 when this happens. I used setstage a few times to advance everything to stage 220 and then all the optional stuff at the end was available and everything worked fine from there. Tirwin even went to her designated watch location.

 

On a side note, how is Tirwin supposed to be dressed when at this stage? After fucking the gargoyle for the first time, is she supposed to be naked like with most other activity scenes? For me, she is in her regular clothes before her first gargoyle scene starts. When that ends and I get to the stage where I get stuck, she is back in her thrall clothes. Last time I saw her wearing those is before we started fighting our way to Valerica.

 

As a request, could you make it so that both Tirwin and Valerica stay naked after their first SL interactions? They keep redressing whenever they are not in action. Same with Serana and the death hound. It would be nice if everyone just stayed naked until the party was over and the player says its time to look for the next book.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

Not a big deal, but the option to have the player and Tirwin have fun together is infinitely repeatable. I know you usually don't do that.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

When the player is sent to find Serana lying naked on the bed shortly before it is time to leave, she wants to bite the player one more time before the sex, I agreed but the sex just started and I never got bit. Either I had a temporary glitch or you didn't assign the bite on that one.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

Where is the portal door supposed to be? I see it floating in the air in the middle of the room. I would expect it to either be right up against the balcony or down on the floor in the middle of the circle. Not sure if this is actually a bug?

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

For the Vampirelord, I was getting stuck with one outdated Funnybiz animation. I looked at your script in CK and saw you have tags  (2,"VampireLords", "Rough,Aggressive"). I changed it to  (2,"VampireLords", "Rough","Aggressive") and now I have a better selection with "Rough" and "Aggressive" separated. You might want to do the same.

 

I think that's everything for now. I'll continue the rest later and report any other bugs I find. Although now that you have 0.43 up I might just want to start over.

 

Thanks and keep up the good work!

 

After having sex with the gargoyle for the first time, Tirwin should remain naked until you have to go get Serana.

 

Serana's bite by the bed is implemented. What can I say? Skyrim Engine...

 

The portal should be as it is in the screenshots. That is, flying in the air.

 

For other problems or suggestions, Gristle needs to take a look.

[Alex749]

Some small things:

quest marker on Naryu would help.

gargoyle did not work for me (maybe i don't have animation)

 

What i hope to see as a idea is bad or sick animals giving the PC STD's maybe even deadly once, Triwin might not like it and you can offer/sacrifice yourself for her. Maybe they can eat/poison PC maybe spiders. And the poison are not by biting but there filling, whit that PC can slowly die in some way or get cured but having a very hard time explaining how she got it inside her body while the healer don't want to treat PC if truth is said.

Or will spread what the PC are doing after treatment and Npc's will not want to have sex whit her not even beggars.

 

Second idea, court in the act so let's say Triwin is done and PC get going thalmor/others comes but Triwin got away leaving PC to fend for her own or come back later.

Scenario

1 get court in the act and go to prison/thalmor cell and Triwin get PC out or comes and say sorry but my secret will die whit you like she just used the player. She could have taken deal blaming PC for it all saying it was her ideas and get off free, leaving PC whit all whit not happy ending in site just how can you make it the least painful.

2 PC get court and publicly circumcised/closed up/castrated like a animal and humiliated, left unable to have sex whit no pleasure. 

3 trial and punishment, both PC and Triwin or just PC to save her (prison time/circumcised/closed up/castrated/executed/cooked and eaten/turn in to animal feed). 

4 Triwin kills PC by say how to have sex whit it in a way that kills during sex, or tie PC up and leave her as food for some nasty thing.

 

Basically Bad ends or adding more danger to it to make players be mor careful.  

 

  

Edited July 30, 2025 by Alex749

[metanight78]

Quick question: I'm at the Black Briar lodge part of the spriggan quest. The horses aren't in the stable, and the quest doesn't continue after we start talking about them. I was playing through on 0.4LE, then upgraded to 0.43LE and still no horses. I ran a Bashed patch, and restarted the quest a couple of times after upgrading, nothing. What do I do?

[killer905]

38 minutes ago, metanight78 said:

Quick question: I'm at the Black Briar lodge part of the spriggan quest. The horses aren't in the stable, and the quest doesn't continue after we start talking about them. I was playing through on 0.4LE, then upgraded to 0.43LE and still no horses. I ran a Bashed patch, and restarted the quest a couple of times after upgrading, nothing. What do I do?

Have you completed the task related to the horse ‘Frost’ from Louis Letrush? Additionally, I suggest not updating during the quest, as you may only make things worse.

 

The only thing that comes to mind is that the horse is not being properly enabled.

 

Open console and type (xx  it's your modorder)

prid xx39a41a

then type

enable

If this not Stable type.

moveto  player

 

Do this BEFORE you enter building

Edited July 30, 2025 by killer905

[killer905]

2 hours ago, Alex749 said:

Some small things:

quest marker on Naryu would help.

gargoyle did not work for me (maybe i don't have animation)

 

What i hope to see as a idea is bad or sick animals giving the PC STD's maybe even deadly once, Triwin might not like it and you can offer/sacrifice yourself for her. Maybe they can eat/poison PC maybe spiders. And the poison are not by biting but there filling, whit that PC can slowly die in some way or get cured but having a very hard time explaining how she got it inside her body while the healer don't want to treat PC if truth is said.

Or will spread what the PC are doing after treatment and Npc's will not want to have sex whit her not even beggars.

 

Second idea, court in the act so let's say Triwin is done and PC get going thalmor/others comes but Triwin got away leaving PC to fend for her own or come back later.

Scenario

1 get court in the act and go to prison/thalmor cell and Triwin get PC out or comes and say sorry but my secret will die whit you like she just used the player. She could have taken deal blaming PC for it all saying it was her ideas and get off free, leaving PC whit all whit not happy ending in site just how can you make it the least painful.

2 PC get court and publicly circumcised/closed up/castrated like a animal and humiliated, left unable to have sex whit no pleasure. 

3 trial and punishment, both PC and Triwin or just PC to save her (prison time/circumcised/closed up/castrated/executed/cooked and eaten/turn in to animal feed). 

4 Triwin kills PC by say how to have sex whit it in a way that kills during sex, or tie PC up and leave her as food for some nasty thing.

 

Basically Bad ends or adding more danger to it to make players be mor careful.  

 

Of the options you gave, number 1 would be more suitable, but we don't have a ‘Bad End’ planned either.

[Alex749]

16 minutes ago, killer905 said:

Of the options you gave, number 1 would be more suitable, but we don't have a ‘Bad End’ planned either.

What ever you fit in or do, I just hope for more danger of being court in the ack whit consequences and i gave ideas not options. There should be something Triwin don't want to do and PC can offer to do for her.   

 

[MoeffG]

Hi, i just wanted to say: Thank you Gristle for this mod.

I love it, especially the slow corruption of Tirwin.

[xtro334]

Was playing through the new version, and got stuck with Naryu missing (again) after talking to the inn keeper about riekling camp. 

And as usual there is no quest mark to track if she is in the wrong place.

 

Could you please just place her in the inn instead of having her appear outside it and force greet, since that seems to cause problem, and then switch quest mark to her.

Would be really nice to have her in one place all the time and traceable.

 

(I suspect that the AI update make her go somewhere dry when it rains, instead of waiting for me outside the inn)

[kamithemoon]

Voices should now be complete for version 4.1 except the quest "Unseen Pleasures" is only partially voiced.  It's kinda funny making these voices without any context for the scenes they are for and I'm curious how well the emotional intensity matches the scene or if everyone is manic-depressive and the voices are all over the place lol.

 

And for a guilty admission, I have never actually played the mod yet.  I meant to but kept getting side tracked, but I intend to finally go through it the next play through so I should be able to note if the voices are correctish.

[eflat01]

15 hours ago, Gristle said:

She force greets the PC, as that's the only way force greets work. But the PC does not have a response choice to her force greet line. Instead, a scene starts between Naryu and Tirwin and Tirwin responds. Then Naryu force greets the PC again at the end of that scene to continue the conversation with the PC. 

 

Force greets where the PC has response options stop the PC dead in their tracks.  However, force greets where the PC has no response options don't stop the PC. So, here, the PC can be force greeted and keep walking/running. I just tested v0.43 (not yet posted) and it works fine even if you try to sprint past Naryu. In fact, she follows you into the tavern to finish the dialogue, much like other NPCs do when they start talking to you just before you go through a door. Also, she now properly enters the inn after the conversation.  

 

I see, and nice solution btw.

[eflat01]

7 hours ago, killer905 said:

After having sex with the gargoyle for the first time, Tirwin should remain naked until you have to go get Serana.

 

Serana's bite by the bed is implemented. What can I say? Skyrim Engine...

 

The portal should be as it is in the screenshots. That is, flying in the air.

 

For other problems or suggestions, Gristle needs to take a look.

 

Oh about the portal, being in the air while it's marked to enter the portal in the quest log, there's no marker to it and took me a sec to figure out to jump in the air into it. 

 

However this reminds me I think I mentioned before that when it's time to return to the future Serana and Tirwin did not follow me into the room where Valeric was, although Valerica went through everything as if they were there... 

[Alex749]

1 hour ago, killer905 said:

Of the options you gave, number 1 would be more suitable, but we don't have a ‘Bad End’ planned either.

What have been missing is danger of being court in the act, to face consequences for it give it some more feeling that what she dose it not ok in some eyes. I would like to see more Thalmors comes and Triwin hides or run away throwing PC under the bus facing harsh consequences.      

[killer905]

2 hours ago, kamithemoon said:

Voices should now be complete for version 4.1 except the quest "Unseen Pleasures" is only partially voiced.  It's kinda funny making these voices without any context for the scenes they are for and I'm curious how well the emotional intensity matches the scene or if everyone is manic-depressive and the voices are all over the place lol.

 

And for a guilty admission, I have never actually played the mod yet.  I meant to but kept getting side tracked, but I intend to finally go through it the next play through so I should be able to note if the voices are correctish.

Never? It's high time to start :3

[killer905]

1 hour ago, eflat01 said:

 

Oh about the portal, being in the air while it's marked to enter the portal in the quest log, there's no marker to it and took me a sec to figure out to jump in the air into it. 

 

However this reminds me I think I mentioned before that when it's time to return to the future Serana and Tirwin did not follow me into the room where Valeric was, although Valerica went through everything as if they were there... 

Unfortunately, they can sometimes get stuck when you go through a door. That's why I make sure that the NPC following me is close enough to go through the door. Anyway, the PC has a spell to summon Tirwin.

[killer905]

1 hour ago, Alex749 said:

What have been missing is danger of being court in the act, to face consequences for it give it some more feeling that what she dose it not ok in some eyes. I would like to see more Thalmors comes and Triwin hides or run away throwing PC under the bus facing harsh consequences.      

For the next content update, we're planning something with Thalmor, but something more along the lines of saving her? However, I think it would be possible to continue the story at this point or create a Bad End for PC or Tirwin herself.

[DonQuiWho]

I installed this mod some time ago, and updated it recently, with a view to playing it only once that was available

 

So apart from one brief chat, sort of Thanks, but No Thanks, I've not played any parts of the mod at all

 

But I just saw that my player character appears in the console as having last been modified by this mod

 

Don't remember ever seeing anything like that happen before, so it feels a bit weird.  Like some download changed the files on my PC! 😬

 

Anyone know why that might be, and the significance of the change? 

 

TIA for any help/advice

 

DQW 

[killer905]

4 minutes ago, DonQuiWho said:

I installed this mod some time ago, and updated it recently, with a view to playing it only once that was available

 

So apart from one brief chat, sort of Thanks, but No Thanks, I've not played any parts of the mod at all

 

But I just saw that my player character appears in the console as having last been modified by this mod

 

Don't remember ever seeing anything like that happen before, so it feels a bit weird.  Like some download changed the files on my PC! 😬

 

Anyone know why that might be, and the significance of the change? 

 

TIA for any help/advice

 

DQW 

Hmm, it looks like it's a remnant from testing a certain feature. Apparently, it wasn't removed, or it was removed but the game still thinks that something has been modified.

[eflat01]

45 minutes ago, killer905 said:

Unfortunately, they can sometimes get stuck when you go through a door. That's why I make sure that the NPC following me is close enough to go through the door. Anyway, the PC has a spell to summon Tirwin.

 

Yes and a spell to Summon Serana too I'm pretty sure though she would not be your Serana.  I'm pretty good about making sure Tirwin and other followers are next to the PC before going thru doors and such... I don't like them lagging behind. Darn things have a mind of their own and can be on some sandboxing at times. Especially Lydia or Serana both seem to like to drink all night at inns if you let 'em.

Edited July 30, 2025 by eflat01

[metanight78]

4 hours ago, killer905 said:

Have you completed the task related to the horse ‘Frost’ from Louis Letrush? Additionally, I suggest not updating during the quest, as you may only make things worse.

 

The only thing that comes to mind is that the horse is not being properly enabled.

 

Open console and type (xx  it's your modorder)

prid xx39a41a

then type

enable

If this not Stable type.

moveto  player

 

Do this BEFORE you enter building

No. I did not do the vanila quest with Louis. I'll try using the console and see if that makes it work.

 

Love the mod so far, I plan on doing a longer post of all my thoughts when I "finish" this version of the mod.

[eflat01]

12 minutes ago, killer905 said:

Hmm, it looks like it's a remnant from testing a certain feature. Apparently, it wasn't removed, or it was removed but the game still thinks that something has been modified.

 

From what I seen the only edit to the player the mod makes is to place the player in Tirwin's group faction.