nyaalich Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 I remember I had that problem (not peeing...other activities ; ) ). Trudy is in-tune with the goings on in her saloon. Played some more. 1) I still think that Date Dialogue should be renamed to "Begin Date." Was confused. May or may not have been on a date for 12 hours. Got kinda stressful when I ran out of small talk options. 2) Went on an actual date during the evening (got "Let's Go"). Started the date. Selected Dance. Was vetoed. I think the NPC should select a different action or allow you to select a second one. Selected the eat activity instead (casual dialogue). Went fine. Had the balls to suggest Fool Around. He said Turn Off, but Love jumped 10+ %, Desire (that's the second one, right?) went from ~100 to 155, and Lust also went up ~20 pts or so. Don't know if this is intentional or not. I like that you've got "Flirt Back" or "Return Affection" when the NPC inits dialogue with you. It's nice not having to worry about getting the dreaded Turn Off.
t3589 Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 1) I still think that Date Dialogue should be renamed to "Begin Date." Was confused. May or may not have been on a date for 12 hours. Got kinda stressful when I ran out of small talk options. 2) Went on an actual date during the evening (got "Let's Go"). Started the date. Selected Dance. Was vetoed. I think the NPC should select a different action or allow you to select a second one. Selected the eat activity instead (casual dialogue). Went fine. Had the balls to suggest Fool Around. He said Turn Off, but Love jumped 10+ %, Desire (that's the second one, right?) went from ~100 to 155, and Lust also went up ~20 pts or so. Don't know if this is intentional or not. I like that you've got "Flirt Back" or "Return Affection" when the NPC inits dialogue with you. It's nice not having to worry about getting the dreaded Turn Off. - Date Dialog renamed to Date Tonight/Start Date/Date Here respectively. - Added something special to remedy #2. Try not to get caught in a loop. lol Update in the OP for testing.
nyaalich Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 1) 2) Was that the problem? I figured that the date was off since I got Casual Dialogue again.
nyaalich Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Clean save? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo! I was actually making progress.
t3589 Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 There wasn't a problem. I was just being lazy with dialog. EDIT: Shouldn't need a clean save (I didn't). I just cleared the list because it's a big change. EDIT EDIT: Loop = 'What do you want to do?', 'I don't know what do you want to do?' restart EDIT X 3: There should be no more negative responses on date start.
ChancellorKremlin Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 @CK: The flow of dialog you've outlined is rather confusing. So They Flirt > You Small Talk > Dialog Exits = a single issue to deal with. I'm not sure where each of your problems begin and end in other words. If you just mean that your PC is hot and you're not getting enough positives, here's a tip. Charisma only guarantees one thing in this mod. That NPCs are more likely to pay attention to you. That's it. That's all it does. It does not make NPCs like you. It may enhance the affection NPCs already have for you. It will likely even enhance the NPCs desire to sleep with you. But it will not make them like you all by itself. And this is highly intentional! lol Think of it this way. I think my wife is the most beautiful woman in the world, but at the same time I am under no delusion that she's 'hot'. I mean, she's hot to me, but that currency doesn't have an exchange rate in the rest of the world. lol You see what I'm getting at? The viewpoint of this mod will be (speaking of the layer, not the tracker): - There is so much more to a relationship than being hot. - NPCs that are shallow will respond to what's on the surface. - NPCs looking for something more meaningful, will respond to something more meaningful. If you want to ensure a lot of positives in a short time, then you should appeal specifically to one or the other. ie. Try putting on something that looks easy or slutty. I bet every shallow NPC gives you tons of positives. On the reverse, try working the dialog to build up a meaningful relationship. I bet by day 2 of doing that, they'll give you the more 'valuable' positives. EDIT: I should also add that the appeal base determined by the tracker, is just a base. It represents outward appearances only. The layer takes this base and uses it in calculating attraction. Therefore, your actual attraction is probably much higher than the base number you're seeing. The reason the appeal base is displayed and attraction isn't, is that appeal is attached to the player, while attraction is attached to the individual. ie. Every NPC has their own personal attraction, or lack thereof, to the player. Right, sorry, the gist of it is - I can start a "romance" with small talk, which leads to drink, which I occasionaly supplement with flirt/affection, every couple of days maybe, at 1-3 day intervals. At some point either I or they ask for a date, we accept. But after that, there doesn't seem to be any progression. Flirt/fool around/dance/affection just leads to negative outcomes (flirt) and so I can't really continue with the relationship. I tried this initially on chet, and then on a Goodsprings resident, with the same result. I understand about the charisma, and I think it makes sense. But I've not had one "advance" from anyone. I put on nice clothes, I get attention, and then that leads to the situation described above. I put on easy, slutty (or no clothes) and I get called mean things and verbally abused. But not a single hit? Something's wrong there for sure. Anyway, I'm going to keep chipping away at it. I'm going to try freeside instead of GS, see how that rabble like it lol. Oh, something I was going to suggest in the way of ingame player feedback, if maybe with rejections, there is a chance of the plaeyr to ask "Why not?" or something along those lines, with some insight into how the NPC is feeling/why he responds in a certain way? It would be nice to be able to ask why they don't want to go on a date, or dance, etc. Something simple, like "Not ready yet" or "Not interested" or just plain "Not my thing". Just something so the player knows whether to keep trying with that particular NPC, or move on. "turn off" isn't very specific
t3589 Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 It almost sounds like you need to clean save. Something isn't right. Just to be clear what do you mean by advance? You mean no one ever approaches you? Or you can't establish a commitment? Are they opening dialog with you? Or do you mean only when you try something? I think you mean you only get negatives when you initiate something? Another thing you might check is to see if your SexoutNG Anal/Oral/Vag Prefs are setup. This mod uses those settings to determine prefs. If you have them set too low, then it will become very difficult for them to hit on a preference. If they have no prefs they'll generally ignore you on their own. I'm guessing you're using the latest NG. Everything works on my end currently, as far as I know. EDIT: You shouldn't be waiting days. Hell, I had Chet, Doc Mitchell, Ringo, and a random Settler before noon on the first day (wearing Julia outfit). If it's taking that long something is definitely not right. I'll see about working in some more negotiation type options.
t3589 Posted June 11, 2014 Author Posted June 11, 2014 Yeah I looked around. I'm stumped CK, sorry. I get both positives and negatives all the time. Maybe just a bad streak of randoms? EDIT: I wonder if it began after a date? It's possible that the dating spell got stuck somehow and it's blocking you out. On the same note, if anyone experiences a negative on date start please let me know.
ChancellorKremlin Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 I just realised one word in my reply changed the whole meaning of what I was trying to say. The most common outcome for me isn't "flirt" but "turn off". After seemigly progressing with a date and some good initial flirting/affection, that is pretty much all I get for any response, besides drink, eat and small talk. Party, date, and fool around are definitely off the table for me as all I seem to get is "turn off". I am using SexoutNG 85, I believe. The prefs need some adjusting, what would you recommend? I tend to have vaginal 50, and oral/anal at 25 each. I'm also usually ticking more than one box on the outfits, like "sexy" can also be "pretty", or "looks submissive" or "pretty" and "classy and formal", etc. I just tried a basic "looks like prostitute" with short skirt, shows nipples, looks like slut, etc, and didn't get any attention whatsoever. The one person I managed to have a dialogue with - fool around - turn off. Riiight... I'll try a new game clean save tomorrow, thanks for taking a look at it T!
t3589 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Posted June 12, 2014 @CK: No it was just me being dense. OK I think I've remedied your situation. Here's a little breakdown of what I found out. PC Asks For Date: - Is supposed to be an exercise in persistence. - They'll play hard to get sometimes, you just have to be persistent. - It should not be uncommon to get 2-3 'No' before you get a 'Yes' in a single day. - A positive return requires that the NPC is subject to at least one of the following states: Favorite Outfit, Affectionate, Flirtatious, Horny, Uninhibited, Stalker. PC Asks For Party: - This may need some work and testing as I'm not sure that the dialog is picking up on the vanilla addictions. - A positive return requires that the NPC is subject to at least one of the following states: Addiction, Uninhibited, Stalker. - This is supposed to work somewhat covertly. ie. Akin to the counter culture 'Is he cool?', 'Is it OK to talk?'. - The negative effects of a rejection in this case, are a direct result of the NPC thinking you're a 'dope' head. ie. Cultural/Class/Political/Moral boundaries. - It's best to ask AFTER you have already established that the particular NPC is a 'Partier'. Otherwise, you're just going to get yourself in trouble unless you get lucky. Imagine walking around town asking people if they do crack. You're not likely to get a welcome reception, unless you're in a suitable location. PC Asks For Sex: - If they're not in the mood, they just aren't in the mood. - Getting positives is all a matter of timing and NPC libido. - The difficulty for male PCs asking is that it may take more effort, but males will tend to be more successful in asking. - The difficulty for female PCs asking is that they may appear too forward, but females will tend to be more successful when ASKED. - A positive return requires that the NPC is subject to at least one of the following states: Horny, Uninhibited, Stalker. - This is unfinished. As I add more features back in, this should become easier (there are more ways to become successful at this, they just aren't in yet). So go ahead and try the new one before you make a clean save. And no, thank you for driving things forward. People don't realize how valuable feedback is in regards to moving things forward. It's like a turbo booster.
nyaalich Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 It's like a turbo booster. : T! is now addicted to Turbo and looking to party.
t3589 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Posted June 12, 2014 It's like a turbo booster. : T! is now addicted to Turbo and looking to party. Partying should really be tested over there with those junkies out by Nellis. I'll get to it eventually. Turbo = Coffee Party = Read the paper.
nyaalich Posted June 12, 2014 Posted June 12, 2014 Fool Around options aren't sexy at all. (Do you see that? That is my "I'm totally lying" face.) Not all options appeared each time. For example, I selected Kiss once, which I was going to follow-up with Lick. Lick wasn't in the options the next time. Saw it with a few more things. Don't know if these are constraints on imaginary positions or issues. Curious: Is Voyeur sex less likely to negatively impact people's perception of you (rumors, easy, less likely to commit, etc.)than other types of sex ?
t3589 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Posted June 12, 2014 Fool Around options aren't sexy at all. (Do you see that? That is my "I'm totally lying" face.) Not all options appeared each time. For example, I selected Kiss once, which I was going to follow-up with Lick. Lick wasn't in the options the next time. Saw it with a few more things. Don't know if these are constraints on imaginary positions or issues. Curious: Is Voyeur sex less likely to negatively impact people's perception of you (rumors, easy, less likely to commit, etc.)than other types of sex ? Lick went away because you just kissed. Both are mouth oriented. ie. Kiss/Lick/Bite I was just going over foreplay today. It was supposed to be a sort of mini game at some point but I never got around to fleshing it out. I think I might rework it so that it can account for prefs. Also to maybe put some body parts into it, and make it a bit less long winded. The answer to your question is no. The kind of sex doesn't matter. It breaks down like this... Rumors are started: - By pissing NPCs off (negative disposition). - By having sex in public unmasked. - When lovers kiss and tell. Rumors can stick: - When denial fails. - When confession succeeds. At which point, you'll need to accomplish certain tasks to live them down and get rid of them. Or you can enjoy the advantages/pitfalls of NPCs thinking it is true. Easy is just a look. That's all it is. It mainly attracts those who want to take advantage of you in some way, and turns off those who want a real relationship (applies to male and female PC). That being said, looking easy has the down side of increasing the 'Trust' threshold. Which means yes, it will make it more difficult (not impossible) for them to commit in the long run. As a general guideline, anything that hints that you may be an unfaithful love interest will attract NPCs that don't want a commitment, and repel those that do. Now does everyone see why all of this isn't wikid out in the OP? lol I'd spend more time writing the manual than working on it. EDIT: Note. You cannot fail a rumor denial if it isn't actually true, though you can confess to it.
t3589 Posted June 13, 2014 Author Posted June 13, 2014 Lots of changes. Too much to list. Found a ton of broken crap. Fixed a ton of broken crap. Probably created, other, friendlier broken crap. Brand new foreplay system added (the works). I dare you to try and figure it out. lol Brand new sex dialog added (re-wrote nearly 70% of sex dialog with all new conditionals). Shout if you need me. I'm pooped.
nyaalich Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 I should write down shit while I'm playing. 1) Cheat: If they say "Finished/Goodbye" and they're still performing that idle (eating in both cases), you can get one more Activity Dialogue in there. 2) I got "staring at tits" followed by "insult female" twice. Also, "staring at legs" has turned into "staring at tits." Clothing eval has one outfit set to short skirt. The other outfits have nothing like that set. 3) Tried "fool around." Got a "tease" response. 4) Adultery rumor: Because you're easy or because someone thinks that you're cheating on someone else? 5) Got "Walk with Me" from another NPC. Ignored and continued with my business. Should there be a decline? 6) Lunch Option: Cigarette. Had Nukas, Sunsets, fruit, and nuts in my inven. Seems odd. 7) Can you explain the argue options? What is "Be Nice" supposed to affect? Also, how come he can affection three times in a row, and when I try it, it's a Turn Off. (I know that the conversations don't use the results from the previous, but apparently, more unrequited works for him?) EDIT: Anyone else using Kick in the Head Sexout edition? I'm assuming that anything that happens during dreams (although I don't know because I only recently increased my difficulty and just got killed : P ) will still affect DRL perceptions of you (cause sex that happens with any mod affects DRL stats, right?)?
nyaalich Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 2) I got "staring at tits" followed by "insult female" twice. Also, "staring at legs" has turned into "staring at tits." Clothing eval has one outfit set to short skirt. The other outfits have nothing like that set. 4) Adultery rumor: Because you're easy, because someone thinks that you're cheating on someone else, or because they're jealous? 2) I did a clean save, so no wonder the preference shifted. Still getting random "staring" followed by "insult." Argue: I guess that they'll init Argue periodically, and that's what "Don't be mad" is for? EDIT: The tease thing. I forgot that I clean-saved, so I was thinking that it was an odd response for what I forgot was the previously gave it up too quickly save.
t3589 Posted June 13, 2014 Author Posted June 13, 2014 Arguing is a way to preempt trouble before they bring it to you. Be nice is for when they're fighting over you. It's a way to get one NPC to get along with another NPC. You'll need two NPCs that are lovers of the PC in one place to test that (I haven't encountered it yet). Remember way back when you wanted NPCs that are with the PC to block other approaching NPCs? That's been in for quite some time now. It's just difficult to get all the right circumstances in place to test. But that's what Be Nice is. Love Triangle management more or less. EDIT: I've also opened up much of the appearance tracking to males. Clothing Eval doesn't always put things in the right list for them fyi. In any case now males are subject to all the looks that females are. Which, again just a heads up. Clothing Eval puts some male clothes in the wrong lists.
t3589 Posted June 14, 2014 Author Posted June 14, 2014 Cheat: Yes you can get more activity dialog after finished, if you don't use that rope to hang yourself. Staring at body: - Is an indication that what you're wearing accentuates what they're looking at. - Is also an indication of what they prefer. Insults indicate one of three things: - The NPC is upset with you (most likely with compatibles). - The NPC was in the middle of an approach when you disagreed with them (remember the dialog petering out? This fixes that). - The NPC is has been offended by something you either said/look like/ or did (most likely with incompatibles). Fool Around 'Tease' is a multifaceted term. It can mean they're calling you a tease (they don't trust you), or it can mean they're teasing you (they want you to pursue them before they put out). A rumor is a rumor. For example: you could acquire a rumor for having sex in public with your spouse. Then be confronted with a completely unrelated rumor. ie. Funny how things get mixed up when word travels from one place to another. Which rumor you are confronted with is NOT necessarily an indication that you're guilty of that rumor. Which is.., why it's a rumor. How you react to Walk With Me is completely up to you. Ignoring it shouldn't break anything, you just won't get any benefits. Cigarettes suppress appetite. It's just a basic cheap item I stuck in there to have something for the interaction. ie. I don't have any food, how about a smoke? Argue: You can use this to counteract negatives BEFORE they blow up in your face. ie. NPC is jealous, but before they confront you with the jealousy, you argue with them and head it off at the pass. You're basically trading a long term big problem for a short term small rejection hit with arguing. Hope that helps.
nyaalich Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 Insults indicate one of three things:- The NPC is upset with you (most likely with compatibles). - The NPC was in the middle of an approach when you disagreed with them (remember the dialog petering out? This fixes that). - The NPC is has been offended by something you either said/look like/ or did (most likely with incompatibles). Argue: You can use this to counteract negatives BEFORE they blow up in your face. ie. NPC is jealous, but before they confront you with the jealousy, you argue with them and head it off at the pass. You're basically trading a long term big problem for a short term small rejection hit with arguing. Aren't you told when people are incompatible or something like that? So there's no real way to know what sort of negative might be brewing (short of accounting for your own actions)?
t3589 Posted June 14, 2014 Author Posted June 14, 2014 Aren't you told when people are incompatible or something like that? So there's no real way to know what sort of negative might be brewing (short of accounting for your own actions)? That is remedied in the next update. I'm just trying to get more changes in before I release it. After I upload it, the dialog for incompatibles will read 'Banter Dialog' instead of Casual. Then you'll know for sure. On the second question. Sort of. You'll know exactly what it is about if it isn't something petty (to them). You shouldn't get hung up on negatives really. You're supposed to get them and in fact, you won't get anyone to commit without them. Some NPCs just aren't going to like you no matter what you do (especially if you're really good looking).
ChancellorKremlin Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 @CK: No it was just me being dense. OK I think I've remedied your situation. Here's a little breakdown of what I found out. PC Asks For Date: - Is supposed to be an exercise in persistence. - They'll play hard to get sometimes, you just have to be persistent. - It should not be uncommon to get 2-3 'No' before you get a 'Yes' in a single day. - A positive return requires that the NPC is subject to at least one of the following states: Favorite Outfit, Affectionate, Flirtatious, Horny, Uninhibited, Stalker. PC Asks For Party: - This may need some work and testing as I'm not sure that the dialog is picking up on the vanilla addictions. - A positive return requires that the NPC is subject to at least one of the following states: Addiction, Uninhibited, Stalker. - This is supposed to work somewhat covertly. ie. Akin to the counter culture 'Is he cool?', 'Is it OK to talk?'. - The negative effects of a rejection in this case, are a direct result of the NPC thinking you're a 'dope' head. ie. Cultural/Class/Political/Moral boundaries. - It's best to ask AFTER you have already established that the particular NPC is a 'Partier'. Otherwise, you're just going to get yourself in trouble unless you get lucky. Imagine walking around town asking people if they do crack. You're not likely to get a welcome reception, unless you're in a suitable location. PC Asks For Sex: - If they're not in the mood, they just aren't in the mood. - Getting positives is all a matter of timing and NPC libido. - The difficulty for male PCs asking is that it may take more effort, but males will tend to be more successful in asking. - The difficulty for female PCs asking is that they may appear too forward, but females will tend to be more successful when ASKED. - A positive return requires that the NPC is subject to at least one of the following states: Horny, Uninhibited, Stalker. - This is unfinished. As I add more features back in, this should become easier (there are more ways to become successful at this, they just aren't in yet). So go ahead and try the new one before you make a clean save. And no, thank you for driving things forward. People don't realize how valuable feedback is in regards to moving things forward. It's like a turbo booster. Hi T-Dawg, OK, first things first, I think you are right, I may have been running on a pre-existing save. I'll be sure to start a clean save and adjust the settings - I'm thinking Vaginal 40, oral 30, anal 30. Also, you mentioned some NPCs have "preferences" and that equates to lower body slots, but how does that work? If an NPC has anal preference, how would that work in ClothingEval? Would things like ShortSkirt/Hot pants need to be tagged, and if say, boobies is the pref, then shows cleavage, that sort of thing? I wasn't aware of the asking for a date repeatedly. I'll try that, I just assumed if they weren't interested, they weren't interested. I also tried the "party" options in Freeside where I thought the people would be more "receptive" but apparently not lol Oh, and let me see if I understand - to get a "yes" to a date, the NPC in question needs to be affectionate or flirtatious? Because the last time I tried I was getting returns on affeciton/flirt in kind, but whenever I asked for a date, it was "turn off" which is quite a mindscrew. But as I said, it may be because of the clean save issue. I will try again with the latest version and let you know how it goes. EDIT: Oh, and by the way, what does SDRL really do? The OP says it is a templated example of the mod in application... but... what does that mean ingame lol? Also, what function does the black book serve?
t3589 Posted June 15, 2014 Author Posted June 15, 2014 Hi T-Dawg, OK, first things first, I think you are right, I may have been running on a pre-existing save. I'll be sure to start a clean save and adjust the settings - I'm thinking Vaginal 40, oral 30, anal 30. Also, you mentioned some NPCs have "preferences" and that equates to lower body slots, but how does that work? If an NPC has anal preference, how would that work in ClothingEval? Would things like ShortSkirt/Hot pants need to be tagged, and if say, boobies is the pref, then shows cleavage, that sort of thing? I wasn't aware of the asking for a date repeatedly. I'll try that, I just assumed if they weren't interested, they weren't interested. I also tried the "party" options in Freeside where I thought the people would be more "receptive" but apparently not lol Oh, and let me see if I understand - to get a "yes" to a date, the NPC in question needs to be affectionate or flirtatious? Because the last time I tried I was getting returns on affeciton/flirt in kind, but whenever I asked for a date, it was "turn off" which is quite a mindscrew. But as I said, it may be because of the clean save issue. I will try again with the latest version and let you know how it goes. EDIT: Oh, and by the way, what does SDRL really do? The OP says it is a templated example of the mod in application... but... what does that mean ingame lol? Also, what function does the black book serve? Those settings overlap by the way. They aren't either/or, but are all inclusive. I usually set mine to Vag 80/Oral 60/Anal 30. The idea is that 80% will like Vag, but 60% will like oral ALSO. It's fairly simple right now, just because I'm working with existing prefs. I may expand these later as I've done by adding the 'solo' pref. It's basically like this. NPCs with: - Genital Prefs, will focus mainly on the lower body. They like legs/crotches. - Oral Prefs, will focus mainly on the upper body. They like tits/chest/face. - Anal Prefs, will focus mainly on the back door. They like asses. - Solo Prefs, will react positively (internally without a look message) to any of the above. They like it all. Try partying with those junkies out by Nellis. They are explicitly tagged as addicts by the vanilla game. Testing NPCs like them will give me a clue. I've overhauled many of the problems you were having since your original post. You should have more success with this new one in regards to turn offs. Try not to think about it as a matter of what they 'just did', but more a matter of getting to know them. Their quirks, etc. Of course sometimes you should not receive a turn off, so yeah, if they seem out of place keep reporting them. SODRTracker = For the community. SODRLayer = For my own game. More or less. I wanted to separate that which could be utilized by the community for the purpose of bridging the gap between technical and artistic modders. The layer is simply a proving ground for the Tracker. In essence I'm building my own mod using the tracker, like any modder might do, so I can get a feel for how to improve the tracker. EDIT: The black book is a simply a control mech. ie. An alternative to MCM settings. It provides player level customization.
ChancellorKremlin Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Those settings overlap by the way. They aren't either/or, but are all inclusive. I usually set mine to Vag 80/Oral 60/Anal 30. The idea is that 80% will like Vag, but 60% will like oral ALSO. It's fairly simple right now, just because I'm working with existing prefs. I may expand these later as I've done by adding the 'solo' pref. It's basically like this. NPCs with: - Genital Prefs, will focus mainly on the lower body. They like legs/crotches. - Oral Prefs, will focus mainly on the upper body. They like tits/chest/face. - Anal Prefs, will focus mainly on the back door. They like asses. - Solo Prefs, will react positively (internally without a look message) to any of the above. They like it all. Try partying with those junkies out by Nellis. They are explicitly tagged as addicts by the vanilla game. Testing NPCs like them will give me a clue. I've overhauled many of the problems you were having since your original post. You should have more success with this new one in regards to turn offs. Try not to think about it as a matter of what they 'just did', but more a matter of getting to know them. Their quirks, etc. Of course sometimes you should not receive a turn off, so yeah, if they seem out of place keep reporting them. SODRTracker = For the community. SODRLayer = For my own game. More or less. I wanted to separate that which could be utilized by the community for the purpose of bridging the gap between technical and artistic modders. The layer is simply a proving ground for the Tracker. In essence I'm building my own mod using the tracker, like any modder might do, so I can get a feel for how to improve the tracker. EDIT: The black book is a simply a control mech. ie. An alternative to MCM settings. It provides player level customization. Hi T, Thanks for taking the time to explain. In regards to the junkies, I'll remember that now. There are also junkie(s) outside McCarran by the El Rey Motel. I've always thought the junkies could play a larger role in Sexout, if only there were enough of them. Anyway, I spent most of yesterday playing with it, and this time it seems to have worked far better for me than it did the previous times. I guaranteed a clean save, and played a loose/slutty sort of girl at first, with preferences set at vaginal 40/oral/anal 30 each. (I'll remember to tweak that, I didn't know they were overlapping, which is great!) This is what I found: - Definitely got a lot more stares at ass/legs/boobs usually either leading straight to a grope or a fool around request. - Got stalkers this time, which was interesting because sometimes I could "submit" and completely put them off. I particularly liked "Don't fight it!" - "OK" - "Fuck you!" and walks away lol. Also, at one point I must have gotten two stalkers, because when I didn't resist, I ended up in a threesome with another guy. Is this intended? - Also with stalkers, in the same way that if you have sex with someone the dialogue changes to "Lovers" - do you think maybe there should be an option for Stalkers? Maybe a confrontation option, or even a sort of stockholm syndrome/no self respect type dialogue tree much like the others, but obviously changed to reflect the fact he either tried to rape you and you seduced him, or that he actually does rape you if you reject/fight him off. - I also noticed putting on the "PG Soldier outfit" - SODRL kept telling me I looked like a prostitute even though it wasn't flagged as such in SCE. - The walk with me function doesn't really work as it should, I don't think. NPCs often keep walking in circles, going nowhere, before saying "finished" and it doesn't really lead up to anything. Maybe for the major locations, like GS, Primm (after liberation), Freeside, Strip, etc - there should be "privacy" markers they are set to go towards if they pick that option? - I also noticed the start of some sex scenes were a bit confusind and duplicated. For example, an NPC would say "Oral Sex" to me then say "Open Wide" before a new set of options for "Oral/Vaginal\Anal" opened up for me. The same again with Solo Sex (what even is that? Masturbation?) and then I still get options for Bottom - Oral/Vaginal/Anal. - At one point, after having slept with 2 different men, I got approached with a "I hear you're a whore" rumour. On confessing to it, the perk got removed. Not sure what that was about. - And speaking of rumours, I managed to get the "Rumour - cheat" and "Adultery/Infidelity" rumours, even though I wasn't in a committed relationship with anyone. I got the "Bigamy" one twice, even though I wasn't married. - Oh, how does the "Known whore" rumour/perk work? I "got" it, only it never really worked for me. I once said "Pay me" and he said "OK How Much?" only then it just went back to the foreplay menu and I didn't get anything. - Speaking of foreplay, what does "melt" do? I think maybe some of those foreplay options can be tighened up a bit. Is it just me, or are they gender neutral? I think some more appropriate gender neutral options could have been things like "Moan lightly in ear" or "Whisper naughty things", "Caress body", "Caress face", "Play with bum" *, "Tease mouth with finger", etc. These wouldn't need to act as replacers but could go along what you have. * - I know there is a "play with ass" option, but this would literally be the "hole" and not the buttocks. I can't think of any real sexy way of saying "asshole", so if anyone can come up with anything, please insert here. Pun intended - What does the PC choosing fool around the and NPC saying "tease" means? That they are teasing you that they will fool around, but won't right now? That's what I gather, but I could be wrong. - The date/follow package works, but on starting date here, the NPC inevitably walks back to where he originally started. This makes it quite difficult to have a date at a bar or anywhere else for that matter, lol. - Also, stalkers have the opposite behaviour. If you accept and give in to their demands and have sex, they will stay put in place afterwards. This also happens if you "put them off" by doing something they don't want you to do, like not resisting. - Oh, I also noticed that in the foreplay menu, the "Start Sex" option was appearing more than once, sometimes up to 3 times. Why is that? Is there any difference between them? - At one point, I was in a sexual relationship with two men, and they both approached me with "Kiss lips" and "Fondle vagina". Both sought privacy, so I took them both to a house. Is this mean to happen? When I got there, I thought it would be like the stalkers, where I ended up sleeping with both simultaneously, but this didn't happen. Can we make that an option? - Lastly, I couldn't get "real" prostitution to work. I put on a dress, marked it as a prostitute, had a base appeal of 23 (with some boots, pearls and other things) and got people "interested", but no prostitution dialogue. The last time I tried this was when we had that lengthy discussion about prices and so forth a few months ago, so I don't know how its supposed to work now? This was in freeside at around 8pm. Then went to Atomic Wrangler, and same thing. A few people interested, but the same kind of "interest" that is the default approach for characters. Anyway, some amazing progress! I really enjoyed playing it, especially now that it seems to be working for me. I'm going to try a seriously committed romantic relationship type next and see how that works.
nyaalich Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Holy shit, CK. Put in a wall of text warning next time. - The walk with me function doesn't really work as it should, I don't think. NPCs often keep walking in circles, going nowhere, before saying "finished" and it doesn't really lead up to anything. I've had walking back and forth in a circle in the player home mod I use that doesn't share cell space w/ anything else and has no other NPCs in it. - And speaking of rumours, I managed to get the "Rumour - cheat" and "Adultery/Infidelity" rumours, even though I wasn't in a committed relationship with anyone. I got the "Bigamy" one twice, even though I wasn't married. Happened for me too w/ the adultery one (w/o having a commitment). Per my asking earlier, it sounds like it's working as intended. I can't think of any real sexy way of saying "asshole" I don't think that there is one. Without looking up alternatives, I think that there's only asshole, anus, or some euphemism like "back door," which is unsexy in its own way. - What does the PC choosing fool around the and NPC saying "tease" means? That they are teasing you that they will fool around, but won't right now? That's what I gather, but I could be wrong. Asked about this. They're either calling you a tease, or they are doing as you said and teasing you. Lastly, I couldn't get "real" prostitution to work. I think he's working to build prostitution back in.
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