[WIP] Skykids - Child races & other technical goodies - No more armor patcher! New CotS R2 Race!(6/22/15)

[en_hawk]

 

If you're getting the issue on the monli as well, that pretty much settles it; script problem. The custom RC scripts for the addon races aren't running for you for whatever reason.

It probably is but I wonder what's different about the SK custom races from other custom races I'm using?

 

It's the way I wrote the scripts for the SK addon races; if they don't fire off properly you end up with the exact issue you are having now. I also noticed you have RaceMenuPlugin.esp active, you are aware of the issues it causes with the head size as outlined in the FAQ, correct? Alternate start live another life is fine, I use it myself as well.

 

Unfortunately the most help I can provide is pinpointing it as a script issue, either the SK scripts aren't getting set off or something is amok with the RC scripts and mine aren't interfacing properly...

 

One odd thing I'm seeing that I've never seen before with your load order, is the USKP patches being mixed into the esm block.  Usually all esm files appear at the top of the list without any esp files mixed in, then esp's after the last esm.  I'm not saying its bad, i've just never seen a load order with it done like that before.

That's BOSS' doing, its where they're supposed to be.

[JerWA]

I believe Rez Delnava has hit on the issue and how to resolve it. Look in the conflicts tab in MO for all of the SK mods (there really should not be ANY conflicts, but it's good to check) and make sure the race compat mod itself (the one from Nexus, the shiny newest one) is higher priority than any of the race mods so that they do not overwrite with their old crusty broken copies of RC.

[Sarathis]

I'll see what I can do. I reinstalled everything from the ground up only maybe 5 days ago? and I've got the latest version of just about everything, including RaceCompatibility. It's possible that it got corrupted somehow though I wonder why I'm not getting issues with other races if that's the case. Regardless, I'll try reinstalling it to see what happens. Right now MO is only showing a minor conflict between RC and Succubus lite. SK isn't conflicting with anything.

 

Anyway, I'll see how things go and keep you guys informed. Got family stuff to attend to today so it won't likely be for a while. Thanks for all the help, guys.

[en_hawk]

I'll see what I can do. I reinstalled everything from the ground up only maybe 5 days ago? and I've got the latest version of just about everything, including RaceCompatibility. It's possible that it got corrupted somehow though I wonder why I'm not getting issues with other races if that's the case. Regardless, I'll try reinstalling it to see what happens. Right now MO is only showing a minor conflict between RC and Succubus lite. SK isn't conflicting with anything.

 

Anyway, I'll see how things go and keep you guys informed. Got family stuff to attend to today so it won't likely be for a while. Thanks for all the help, guys.

SK is not what we are worried about conflicting. SK requires that specific version of RC linked in order to function properly. Some poorly designed mods like to bundle their own copies of RC's scripts out of stupidity.

 

The issue is RC's scripts being overridden by other mods which is breaking SK, at least that's the current theory. Make sure nothing is allowed to override the files(scripts) from RC. I'm not sure how to accomplish this in MO, but I'm sure others can chime in.

[Sarathis]

SK is not what we are worried about conflicting. SK requires that specific version of RC linked in order to function properly. Some poorly designed mods like to bundle their own copies of RC's scripts out of stupidity.

The issue is RC's scripts being overridden by other mods which is breaking SK, at least that's the current theory. Make sure nothing is allowed to override the files(scripts) from RC. I'm not sure how to accomplish this in MO, but I'm sure others can chime in.

I wrote out a long reply to this but Chrome ate it, so screw it.

 

Long story short, I reinstalled the latest version of RaceCompatibility for Skyrim and Dawnguard by TMPhoenix, version 1.84. Your installation links to that mod and specifies 1.8 or later, so this should be fine. Load order is the same as before, all RC .esps and .esms are above custom races'. Even turned off Race Menu Plugin.esp.

 

Started a new game, switched gender to female, switched from Nord race to Drow Child, no change. Hair slider goes from 0 to 7493827 to -0943279 to whatever, etc... Switched to Monli, no change. One hair style for the presets, can't move the slider at all. All other custom races behave normally, even the ones with custom CharGen morphs.

 

Checked MO, no conflicts except the minor non-english language ones from Succubus lite and something with Better Vampires even though I installed the version of RC with BV support. 

 

I could "try moving the racecompatibilityUSKPoverwrite to below Live another life," but that wouldn't be recommended as Alternate Start - LAL is basically at the bottom of the load order barely above WATER and the Bashed Patch. EDIT: Tried moving Alternate Start .esp to the TOP of the list, right above RaceCompatibility's .esp and there was no change.

 

Thanks for the help but I'm beginning to think fixing this script issue is beyond me.

 

 

EDIT 2: I turned off Succubus lite, Half Orc, and Better Vampires, reran the armorpatcher and it succeeded... partially. Drow Child is still broken but I can now change the hairstyles on the Monli race. On the other hand, vanilla child races can no longer use SG Hair Pack 268 styles. This is probably working as intended but it's a shame to lose those nice styles. For the sake of Argument I'll probably try turning the other two custom races off just to see if it allows Drow Child race to work correctly.

 

 

EDIT 3: Turning off ALL the custom races allowed Drow Child to load all the available vanilla and Apachii hairs, so there's definitely something going on there. Unfortunately, all the child races are now naked, so something must have gone wrong with the armorpatcher.jar. It runs the BOSS load order then, when I hit Patch, it closes immediately and generates a 0kb SK Child Armor Swapper.esp. I have no idea what's wrong with it and have no more time to play with it today.

[Prusias]

I saw in the starting Thread no Boy Screenshots, and if I understand the Message correct the Boys can not be nude, because they have a Vagina?

Or they can but look like a girl? Can someone make Screenshots from the Boys?

 

and wich mod is better This or : http://www.loverslab.com/topic/20706-children-of-the-sky-reworked-stand-alone/

 ?

 

 

[User13]

I saw in the starting Thread no Boy Screenshots, and if I understand the Message correct the Boys can not be nude, because they have a Vagina?

Or they can but look like a girl? Can someone make Screenshots from the Boys?

 

and wich mod is better This or : http://www.loverslab.com/topic/20706-children-of-the-sky-reworked-stand-alone/

 ?

 

You can make boys with Skykids, and nudity is available if you use the alternative male body, which is a separate download.  They have the correct male parts.  As for what's better between SK and Rcots... it's really a matter of opinion.  I play both.  SK is certainly more stable, but it doesn't have as many cool features.  Think of it like SK = Mac, and Rcots = PC.  I prefer playing boy toons with SK, and girl toons with Rcots, because for me the girls aren't mature enough with SK, but that's a personal preference only.  Try em both.  See what you like best.

[JerWA]

@Sarathis, in MO the "Priority" determines who wins file conflicts, reinstalling does nothing unless you've tampered in the MO\mods directories. Make sure racial compatibility is numerically the highest priority of anything it reports a conflict with. Anything. Nothing should be overwriting even a single file from racial compatibility because the only reason they would be doing so is if they are packaging an older version rather than the officially supported one. This isn't even an SK issue so much as a really bad practice that's been going on for a long time.

 

Your hairs acting weird is a problem with racial compatibility being overwritten by poorly behaving race mods, plain and simple. Put them all at the absolute lowest priority so they lose every file conflict. The first post actually talks about how to make compatibility patches if you want to add other hair mods. None of them will be compatible "out of the box" because we are intentionally isolating ourselves from the vanilla resources which most of the mods are injecting themselves into.

 

 

@Prusias, I have no idea where you got the ideas you mention. There's nothing in the first post that says anything like that.

 

 

@User13, SK = Mac and Rcots = PC? I am literally offended. I'll leave it at that because I'm having a hard time remaining civil if I go any further.

[User13]

Sorry JerWA, I suppose I'd be offended being compared to a Mac as well, but I didn't mean it like that.  I guess I was thinking about the fact that Macs don't get viruses or something.  I was going to go with Betamax vs VHS, but figured nobody would know what the hell I was talking about.  Honestly did not mean to offend.  I love SK, and greatly appreciate all the hard work you folks have put into it.

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PC all the way and i hate mac or anything remotely apple related its inferior to PC

[Sarathis]

@Sarathis, in MO the "Priority" determines who wins file conflicts, reinstalling does nothing unless you've tampered in the MO\mods directories. Make sure racial compatibility is numerically the highest priority of anything it reports a conflict with. Anything. Nothing should be overwriting even a single file from racial compatibility because the only reason they would be doing so is if they are packaging an older version rather than the officially supported one. This isn't even an SK issue so much as a really bad practice that's been going on for a long time.

 

Your hairs acting weird is a problem with racial compatibility being overwritten by poorly behaving race mods, plain and simple. Put them all at the absolute lowest priority so they lose every file conflict. 

I narrowed the problem down to the Half Orc and Succubus lite custom race mods. The Ningheim and Lunari races are flexible, you can place them anywhere in the priority list and they work fine so long as the plugins are in the right place in the load order. Unfortunately, any time I try to move HO and Su, Mod Organizer throws me all kinds of warnings that those mods have to be above Better Vampires, UFO, and Alternate Start - LAL or there could be DIRE CONSEQUENCES. 

 

So, for the time being I made a separate profile for Skyrim with SK, so I can play with or without. I still would like to try to get at least Half Orc to play nicely with SK since it adds some nice looking Followers but if I can't, I can't. I'm not going to cry about it.

 

Does anyone know any reason why Skykids Armor Patcher wouldn't run correctly when I turned Ningheim, Succubus lite, Half Orc and Lunari off? Until I reactivated one of them it would just give me that immediate shut down on Patch and generate a 0kb .esp.

 

At any rate, thanks again to everyone who tried to help walk a newbie mod user like me through all this nonsense. I really do appreciate all your patience. 

[ChipyChops]

I think that any mod the patcher uses needs to be loaded above, so you can't really deactivate them. If you're not going to use any armours from those mods then you can move the esps out out of the data folder, run skyrim to do your new mod order, run the patcher, then move the esps back..

[en_hawk]

My desire to be helpful clearly outweighing my complete lack of useful intel here.  I stand corrected

Now now now, you were still right about the voices and sitting bits, as those are still using the global skyrim entries for that stuff. But other than that, they should still play fairly nicely together.

 

I still advocate avoiding CotS/RCotS however, due to their numerous technical shortcomings and egregious conflicts which the authors seemingly have little desire to correct(jiitek kinda gets a pass here due to being AWOL). By that same token, that is why a lot of those more have more content than us; we(or really I) take the time to polish every piece of work I put out to ensure it is of the highest quality and bug free, which as you might expect takes a substantial time commitment.

 

Ultimately, use whichever mod you enjoy the most, skykids should be robust enough to run alongside it at least 90% of the time.

[User13]

 

My desire to be helpful clearly outweighing my complete lack of useful intel here.  I stand corrected

Now now now, you were still right about the voices and sitting bits, as those are still using the global skyrim entries for that stuff. But other than that, they should still play fairly nicely together.

 

I still advocate avoiding CotS/RCotS however, due to their numerous technical shortcomings and egregious conflicts which the authors seemingly have little desire to correct(jiitek kinda gets a pass here due to being AWOL). By that same token, that is why a lot of those more have more content than us; we(or really I) take the time to polish every piece of work I put out to ensure it is of the highest quality and bug free, which as you might expect takes a substantial time commitment.

 

Ultimately, use whichever mod you enjoy the most, skykids should be robust enough to run alongside it at least 90% of the time.

 

 

Thanks for the support, Hawk, and for not pointing out that what I should have said was that my desire to be helpful was clearly outweighed by my lack of intel.  I stand corrected twice.  Hoist by my own petard as it were.

 

And, as if that weren't bad enough, I went to check the ole interwebs to see the etymology of that phrase out of pure curiosity, and found that I used it incorrectly.  "So why are you still posting it then?" you might ask.  Ha ha!  Aren't you the clever one?  Because a bird in the hand is worth two peas in a pod.

[Seiji-Chan]

Hmm, maybe I'll give it a try then. Thanks!

 

What voices does Skykids use, by the way? RCotCS seems to have its own voices... but they're almost nonexistent. My male High Elf boy seems to only make some light noise when he's getting injured. Absolutely nothing when he attacks and whatnot. Are the voices better with this mod, or does this mod even have voices?

[en_hawk]

Hmm, maybe I'll give it a try then. Thanks!

 

What voices does Skykids use, by the way? RCotCS seems to have its own voices... but they're almost nonexistent. My male High Elf boy seems to only make some light noise when he's getting injured. Absolutely nothing when he attacks and whatnot. Are the voices better with this mod, or does this mod even have voices?

We are presently using the vanilla skyrim voices for now. We had a fellow working on custom voices for us, and said that they were near completion, but he has unfortunately been AWOL for 2+ months.

 

I'd really like to get us some better voices, but unfortunately the vanilla ones will have to do for now...

[JerWA]

The boy voice is pretty close to complete. Need to update the compat patch though, it's a bit out of date as mentioned.

[Smokermegadrive]

i have a little question, how i can change the hair for the monli addon? i can only select one

sorry my english

[Drukla]

My armor don't appears   help me please. I think it's because of the patch:

When I patch with this: --> SKArmorPatcher.jar <-- appears this message: 

skyprco.exceptions.MissingMaster:

monli preset1.esp has some missing masters:

- SK Monli Race.esm

Please activate and try again.

But, I have activated that... 

 

Please help me, I don't speak english but I understand it well, so somebody explain me please... How I can fix this issue, because my armor don't appear, and when I equip some armor, gauntlets or boots my character remains the same... with loincloth, or my loli remains nude (I like it, but not all the time XD). Other thing is that I want my loli with little tits, but I can't increase her chest... remains plain with any increase of chest that I do.

I followed all the steps as well so I want other explanation for my two issues, that's all.

PD: Thanks a lot for the mod, is awesome all the work done here. I think that this mod is the most impresive that I've downloaded in this page (I use skyrim nexus as well, nexus have very impressive mods for a lot of things). I love Skyrim, with all his mods 

Edit:

¿How I use [resource] Girl Body Assets? -->I know that is an resource, but.. ¿How I use it and what for?

I wanna have UNP body with my loli for use some armor mods that I found here: 

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My desire to be helpful clearly outweighing my complete lack of useful intel here.  I stand corrected

Now now now, you were still right about the voices and sitting bits, as those are still using the global skyrim entries for that stuff. But other than that, they should still play fairly nicely together.

 

I still advocate avoiding CotS/RCotS however, due to their numerous technical shortcomings and egregious conflicts which the authors seemingly have little desire to correct(jiitek kinda gets a pass here due to being AWOL). By that same token, that is why a lot of those more have more content than us; we(or really I) take the time to polish every piece of work I put out to ensure it is of the highest quality and bug free, which as you might expect takes a substantial time commitment.

 

Ultimately, use whichever mod you enjoy the most, skykids should be robust enough to run alongside it at least 90% of the time.

 

 

I use all three mods parts i can implement. But why i use CoTS as main is matter of taste and how my characters looks i don't judge which one is better i just take what i like and is my taste.

 

I follow both mods yours and RCoTS(CoTS R2 is dead so no real need to follow hehe)

 

Keep up the good work

[JerWA]

@Drukla, Have you added the BOSS entries from the first post to control load order? Some are still unknown and others are actually wrong in BOSS so you need the overrides or you will get tardy master problems.

[en_hawk]

My armor don't appears   help me please. I think it's because of the patch:

When I patch with this: --> SKArmorPatcher.jar <-- appears this message: 

skyprco.exceptions.MissingMaster:

monli preset1.esp has some missing masters:

- SK Monli Race.esm

Please activate and try again.

But, I have activated that... 

 

Please help me, I don't speak english but I understand it well, so somebody explain me please... How I can fix this issue, because my armor don't appear, and when I equip some armor, gauntlets or boots my character remains the same... with loincloth, or my loli remains nude (I like it, but not all the time XD). Other thing is that I want my loli with little tits, but I can't increase her chest... remains plain with any increase of chest that I do.

I followed all the steps as well so I want other explanation for my two issues, that's all.

PD: Thanks a lot for the mod, is awesome all the work done here. I think that this mod is the most impresive that I've downloaded in this page (I use skyrim nexus as well, nexus have very impressive mods for a lot of things). I love Skyrim, with all his mods 

Edit:

¿How I use [resource] Girl Body Assets? -->I know that is an resource, but.. ¿How I use it and what for?

I wanna have UNP body with my loli for use some armor mods that I found here:

JerWA makes a good suggestion, you need to make sure that you are running BOSS and have installed the requisite userlist entries, the conflict you are getting is due to either a missing/inactive plugin or a bad load order. Could you please post your entire load order for us?

 

Secondly, regarding the asset pack, the default child body is already UNP compatible out of the box. The alternate files in there are intended as a modders resource, and while there is an optional teen body it is just as compatible with UNP as the default child one(though it does have breast size adjustment).

 

When the armor swapper is operating properly, you will be able to equip and use any armor mod you like and it will display properly. If it is an adult armor your character will obviously magically grow breasts, but it will be functional(and UV compatible) nonetheless.

[Drukla]

That's appears when I run my Boss:

 

I don't have installed the Drow Child Race. That's I have wrote to C:\BOSS\Skyrim\userlist.txt

 

OVERRIDE: SK Drow Child Race.esm

AFTER: Skykids.esm

 

OVERRIDE: SK Monli Race.esm

AFTER: Skykids.esm

 

ADD: monli preset1.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: monli preset2.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: monli preset3.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: SK Lolydia.esp

BOTTOM: Companions

 

ADD: SK Child Armor Swapper.esp

BOTTOM: Dynamic Plugins

 

I delete this lines because I have not the mods installed:

 

ADD: SK Drow Taldyn.esp

BOTTOM: Companions

 

ADD: SK Vanilla Child Replacer.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

I install the Skykids base, the armor mod (not run good the patch for my issue), the B3 incremental patch, monli race, cosmetic mod compability, monli lolydia, and nude patch (only for girls).

 

[Drukla]

 

My armor don't appears   help me please. I think it's because of the patch:

When I patch with this: --> SKArmorPatcher.jar <-- appears this message: 

skyprco.exceptions.MissingMaster:

monli preset1.esp has some missing masters:

- SK Monli Race.esm

Please activate and try again.

But, I have activated that... 

 

Please help me, I don't speak english but I understand it well, so somebody explain me please... How I can fix this issue, because my armor don't appear, and when I equip some armor, gauntlets or boots my character remains the same... with loincloth, or my loli remains nude (I like it, but not all the time XD). Other thing is that I want my loli with little tits, but I can't increase her chest... remains plain with any increase of chest that I do.

I followed all the steps as well so I want other explanation for my two issues, that's all.

PD: Thanks a lot for the mod, is awesome all the work done here. I think that this mod is the most impresive that I've downloaded in this page (I use skyrim nexus as well, nexus have very impressive mods for a lot of things). I love Skyrim, with all his mods 

Edit:

¿How I use [resource] Girl Body Assets? -->I know that is an resource, but.. ¿How I use it and what for?

I wanna have UNP body with my loli for use some armor mods that I found here:

JerWA makes a good suggestion, you need to make sure that you are running BOSS and have installed the requisite userlist entries, the conflict you are getting is due to either a missing/inactive plugin or a bad load order. Could you please post your entire load order for us?

 

Secondly, regarding the asset pack, the default child body is already UNP compatible out of the box. The alternate files in there are intended as a modders resource, and while there is an optional teen body it is just as compatible with UNP as the default child one(though it does have breast size adjustment).

 

When the armor swapper is operating properly, you will be able to equip and use any armor mod you like and it will display properly. If it is an adult armor your character will obviously magically grow breasts, but it will be functional(and UV compatible) nonetheless.

 

You can see in my picture that I have activated SK Child Armor Swapper but I don't how.

¿How I should have my userlist.txt? I post mine userlist.txt

[en_hawk]

You can see in my picture that I have activated SK Child Armor Swapper but I don't how.

¿How I should have my userlist.txt? I post mine userlist.txt

Your userlist is fine, however you don't need to remove entries for modules you do not intend to install; if a file in your userlist isn't installed in your game BOSS simply ignores it.

 

I need to see your complete load order with all the plugins in your game.