The Forbidden Tome

[belegost]

4 minutes ago, Ursur1major said:

Interesting, which one is prefered though?

Is this one complete enough?

You can do both. Just don't do them at the same time.

[Allen Harris]

4 hours ago, Ursur1major said:

Interesting, which one is prefered though?

Is this one complete enough?

There's not really a preferred one; but the Forbidden Tome is more randomized whereas the other has set locations, if I'm not mistaken. And I did have more trouble with actors not showing up in this one when they were supposed to.

[Ursur1major]

So how are you supposed to find the Special Dwarven Oil? I got no mapmarker for it.

Cleared the entire dungeon without it showing up.

 

Edit: I've tried to add it via console, but I can't find the item code for anything called "Special Dwarven Oil" at all.

Edit 2: Found the FAQ, my problem was that I expected it to be either marked out or since it wasn't, then I expected it to be in the boss chest or on the boss. If anyone takes up this mod I hope they can clarify somewhere in game that it can be in literally any container.

Edited December 21, 2024 by Ursur1major

[Ursur1major]

Does Urag's Devices Key have a specific location in the Dormitory or is it random?

Edited December 22, 2024 by Ursur1major

[belegost]

11 hours ago, Ursur1major said:

Does Urag's Devices Key have a specific location in the Dormitory or is it random?

I've only played through once and it was a while ago but as far as I remember, everything in this mod is random. And that's on purpose.

Good luck, you're going to need it.

[Ursur1major]

I have finished the quest now, and while I very much enjoyed the parts of it that worked I really cannot recommend this mod for a casual playthrough.

 

The jank is just too great, and some of the problems I encountered weren't really covered in the FAQ or the rest of the modpage, luckily help here in the forum and some Console magic got me through it, but if I didn't have access to those I don't think i could have been able to complete this mod.

 

Everything wroked fine up until I was to deliver the second item, I had some troubles on the first but that was a case of me having different expectations from the mod, see three posts up for details on that.

But getting the second item was extremely easy, it was finding Zenodius that was the problem, after having combed through each location several times and not finding him in any of them or close to any of them and even restarting the quest and tried again I eventually gave up and used the console command to teleport to him, only to find him on the road in the middle of nowhere just standing around.

After that he told me he was to be found back at the college this time, after having gone there and looking everywhere again i decided to teleport to him again, this time he was in Alftand.

And then he did not give me the book, "luckily" other people here had had the same issue and I could find the name of the book here so I could once again use console commands to add it and finish the questline. Thanks to Sier564 for that, the book being named "Devious Devices: Restraints".

I was being bratty throughout the dialogue so I think i got the harshest ending, was a bit worried for a start that that hadn't worked either, but I managed to find "Urag's Devices Key" in a container I had initially missed when combing through the first floor.

 

I do really hope either the original creator or someone else continues this work, I would love to replay it once it is finished.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Ursur1major

[belegost]

11 hours ago, Ursur1major said:

The jank is just too great,

I had no problems whatsoever. Yeah, finding stuff is tedious and annoying, but that's the purpose of this mod. You're racing against time and arousal.

This is supposed to be a punishment, not a fun adventure. If you got pissed and frustrated while playing (I sure did), it means it accomplished its goal.

[Ursur1major]

9 hours ago, belegost said:

I had no problems whatsoever. Yeah, finding stuff is tedious and annoying, but that's the purpose of this mod. You're racing against time and arousal.

This is supposed to be a punishment, not a fun adventure. If you got pissed and frustrated while playing (I sure did), it means it accomplished its goal.

I feel like in instances like this there are different kinds of frustration, there's the sexy frustration that the mod is trying to impart, and then there's the unsexy furstration when you're just spending 2 hours troubleshooting because it is not clear if it's supposed to be functioning that way or not.

And in my instance I assume that it was not functioning the way it was intended for a fairly large part of it, Zenodius never being where he was supposed to be was the fun kind of frustration the first time because that was consistent within the parameters established by the mod, the second time when he was nowhere near any of the locations he was supposed to be limited to was not, and the third time I was just done with it.

Don't know if this image will load, but this is where he was the second time I found him, kind of seems like he got stuck on the route between locations and never arrived.

The last time I'm certain something didn't trigger correctly, I would think it was intended if the quest updated to "where is Zenodius now?" when you've looked through the college, but it didn't he was just stuck in Alftand for no discernable reason.

And the book not being given to you is something that I see other people have had issues with as well, not a problem if you know the name of the book, but if I hadn't found the name listed here I could definitely see myself getting annoyed trying to find it.

 

I am happy that the mod worked for you, but it did not work properly for me, and I did not feel like I got the intended experience.

I am realising now that this big wall of text might sound a bit much, but I'm not trying to be confrontative, just trying to communicate as clearly as possible.

[belegost]

6 hours ago, Ursur1major said:

I am realising now that this big wall of text might sound a bit much, but I'm not trying to be confrontative, just trying to communicate as clearly as possible.

Don't worry, I didn't read it.

[Mister X]

NEW update v0.6.0!

 

• FIXED Zenidius being somewhere he shouldn't be (I hope, worked for me)
• FIXED objectives not updating after finding the gyro (2. object)
• FIXED Zenidius not being at college, now he is and actually hands over the book
• CHANGED misleading map markes, now one of them always shows Zenidius
• ADDED short conversation as reference to original dwemer scholar Zed S. Curio - talk to Zenidius while having the book

 

With this update, most of the unwanted, buggy jank should be gone. As belegost pointed out, the tedious, frustrating gameplay part indeed is intended and will stay ^^

 

Means: during my test, the map markers always pointed you where they should, went away when they should and I was able to properly do a full test run with no console commands except for some "player.moveto" (to avoid the tedious parts, else the testing would be way longer ^^)

 

So, have fun testing and let me know if you still come across some bugs!

[lavatube]

Just wanted to add a note that if you're using the Immersive College of Winterhold, I think it adds a bookcase in front of the forbidden bookcase, mostly blocking it. I think the right edge of the original bookcase is still visible though. Alternatively, you can open console, click on the blocking bookcase, make sure the bookcase is selected, and type "disable". If you disable the wrong thing, type "enable".

[finalfrog]

Thanks for the update! I was just thinking about this mod the other day. Into my load order it goes!

[Taki17]

A small request, if you will: please add Zed (and maybe Urag too, through KID) to the 'zadDisableDialogue' faction! ☺️

Since the former is definitely considered a DD quest NPC, it's better for him to not trigger gag talk dialogues or events from DD-based mods!

[Mister X]

1 hour ago, Taki17 said:

A small request, if you will: please add Zed (and maybe Urag too, through KID) to the 'zadDisableDialogue' faction! ☺️

Since the former is definitely considered a DD quest NPC, it's better for him to not trigger gag talk dialogues or events from DD-based mods!

 

Thanks for the tip, done ^^ While the quest runs, both should be able to understand the player now, no matter what

[Guest]

Just to drop in here that I'm starting a new run as mage just for this quest.

 

Is been a looking time I did it and want to check how well it unfolds with patched UD 3.0 devices.

 

Looks promising with the New orgasm system!.

[iwtfysb]

I might just be dumb, but I downloaded the mod, followed all the steps to convert to LE, but when I try to install it using MOD I get "None of the available installer plugins were able to handle that archive"

[Mister X]

On 5/25/2025 at 5:39 PM, iwtfysb said:

I might just be dumb, but I downloaded the mod, followed all the steps to convert to LE, but when I try to install it using MOD I get "None of the available installer plugins were able to handle that archive"

 

Huh? That sounds like your zip file is broken, though as you said you were able to convert it to LE, that's after you've unpacked the one provided by me. I don't see how I could help here.

[iwtfysb]

6 hours ago, Mister X said:

 

Huh? That sounds like your zip file is broken, though as you said you were able to convert it to LE, that's after you've unpacked the one provided by me. I don't see how I could help here.

 

Turns out I am dumb, but you did give me the solution though. I packed it as a .rar file rather than a .zip file lol

[Mister X]

NO update to the mod itself, but the voices!

 

Even though they still are obviously AI generated, I daresay the new generation method is way better than the old xVASynth voices. And I have more control over the emotion!

[Seph64]

On 4/13/2025 at 5:24 AM, Mister X said:

NEW update v0.6.0!

 

• FIXED Zenidius not being at college, now he is and actually hands over the book

 

 

Just played through this mod for the first time (v0.6.1), Zenidius is, in fact, NOT at the college when you collect the 3rd objective. He remained at the location I found him in (Dwemer ruin/excavation site in Markarth's underkeep).

 

I enjoyed the mod well enough, even with the janky nature of the objectives. Though, I think Unforgiven Devices temporarily breaks once you are on the quest. Would be a good idea to not wear any Devious Devices (aside from the ones URag and Zenidius force you to wear) while on all stages of the quest I guess.

Edited May 27, 2025 by Seph64

[Mister X]

10 hours ago, Seph64 said:

 

Just played through this mod for the first time (v0.6.1), Zenidius is, in fact, NOT at the college when you collect the 3rd objective. He remained at the location I found him in (Dwemer ruin/excavation site in Markarth's underkeep).

 

I enjoyed the mod well enough, even with the janky nature of the objectives. Though, I think Unforgiven Devices temporarily breaks once you are on the quest. Would be a good idea to not wear any Devious Devices (aside from the ones URag and Zenidius force you to wear) while on all stages of the quest I guess.

 

Hmm, that's strange. Do you have a log file? I just double checked in the CK and at the point where your objective is to retrieve the book, Zenidius should be back at the college and the marker should point you to him.

 

Do you have any mod that alters the Aracenum? Those need patches to arrange the markers I needed to place. One unofficial patch for Obscure's College overhaul can be found here:

 

[Seph64]

I do not think I installed any mods that alter the Arcanum specifically.

 

Not sure if I have any logs, I've played the game afterwards. If I play through the quest again, I'll see about saving the logs (which log files would I be looking for?)

[Wild Trout]

Hey ! Thanks a lot for the the awesome mod !

 

I have a small issue : as soon as the quest starts (after speaking with Urag), there is a bug with any station. As soon as I interract with an object such as : bed, smithing table, alchemy, enchanting table, etc... , the character instantly leaves the station. It is a known bug for when characters are stuck in animations/events from a mod.

 

As there is no MCM menu to reset animations, I'm kinda stuck, and I'm starting to think that I'll try to bypass the start with a setstage, command + add the items manually, but I'm afraid of breaking more stuff.

 

My setup :

• DD NG
• Sexlab P+
• Pandora 

What I've tried :

• testing with both 0.6.0 and 0.6.1
• tai -> tcl in console before interracting with anything
• rerun pandora
• recycleactor in console
• reset animations on most other mods
• disable->enable
• player.dispelalleffects

Any idea of how I could fix this issue ?  I don't see any forbiddentome related things in the papyrus logs

[Seph64]

I am playing through the quest again (on a different character), and I can't find the third item, which is supposedly in Alftand.  I went through there, twice, and I can't find it anywhere. Is there a console command I can use to progress?

 

EDIT: Found it, there was a chest I missed near the beginning of the dwemer ruin that I somehow overlooked.

 

  

On 5/27/2025 at 11:22 PM, Mister X said:

 

Hmm, that's strange. Do you have a log file? I just double checked in the CK and at the point where your objective is to retrieve the book, Zenidius should be back at the college and the marker should point you to him.

 

Do you have any mod that alters the Aracenum? Those need patches to arrange the markers I needed to place. One unofficial patch for Obscure's College overhaul can be found here:

 

 

Got to this point, and again, Zenidius is not there. What log file should I look for?

Edited June 2, 2025 by Seph64

[kinkeag]

Found the key, quest hasn't updated and I can't use it to unlock my restraints? Any help would be appreciated thank you.