I would like it if we, that is LL, could start seriously competing with Nexus

[katrina.balanchuk]

They say "A penny for your thoughts" ?

So here are mine: I am still a premium member over at Nexus but the pressure to conform to a certain ideology over there is clear.

Forums and the internet should be bastions of Freedom, our Samizdat * , so to speak, not places where creators and members get bullied

Example:

https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14733

 

While LL is very open minded to all comers especially in the area of erotic, it is Damning in my opinion that they w/o warning shut down that mod and banned the member and Also see that last paragraph on bottom.

 

This kind of misconduct on part of leadership cannot be rewarded, I will soon cancel my premium membership after a couple last downloads.

 

And , while I, (and I suspect nearly al) members), came here looking for erotic mods I feel there is room here to grow in general game discussions and non adult mods too.

 

I will try to do my very small and humble part with doing general discussion of my game of choice and I encourage others to do the same

 

The old adage of forums says : "Posts beget more posts and more posts turns lurkers into posters"

Maybe one day we could all out Mods non erotic and non erotic organized by game tabs and mods tabs. Like Nexus does. This will make things easier to find than rummaging through forum pages and be a first step in competing.   Just my thoughts.

 

* Samizdat: Dissident media in Eastern Europe during the days of the Iron curtain, a way for folks to go around ideology controlled state media.

This could be leaflets placed on car windshields at night or the like.

In my humble opinion, today the internet can and should be a source of freedom form ideological pressures.

Edited November 29, 2022 by katrina.balanchuk

[Guest]

It's a joke. Love how comments are blocked. Kinda defeats the point. Look, in my opinion this is a social media site, that hosts mods.

 

It's purpose is almost an inverse to nexus. There are rules here, but let's be honest...it's no where near that ridiculous in moderation. 

 

I love this site, and we all know why we're here. Why pretend otherwise. Nexus they pretend to be hollier than thou, screw them.

[Guest]

Funny thing is, I found LL through nexus adult mods. Lol.

[Guest]

> My Prince was the member of Nexus and this site too, but he wasn't feeling home at Nexus. He tried to socialize with some members there, but without success. Since Nexus doesn't offer such relationships and home environment (at least he thought it doesn't), he decided to visit Nexus only because of the mods. LL was his virtual family and home.   

 

> When i was looking for the mods there, I also checked their Forum. It CANNOT compare with ours which is more friendly and familiar and pleasant regardless of occasional riots

 

> Some older members remembers this sign

(Unfortunately this lovely sign is mostly replaced with this one nowadays

 

> Not a fan of the second one unless I am provoked and forced to use it.

[Pamatronic]

 

1 hour ago, katrina.balanchuk said:

but the pressure to conform to a certain ideology over there is clear.

You are an absolute clown.
To summarize: Someone on nexus created a sock-puppet account and uploaded a mod which removed pride-flags from a spiderman game. Comment section for that mod turned into a cesspool of homophobes and far-righters, so Nexus pulled it.
Do you honestly believe this story would have been any different here?

Moderators here a very quick to remove stuff which causes controversies, especially when its obviously intended to spark something. have seen it happen a few times before.
If "Dont be a homophobe" is an "Ideology" you are uncomfortable with, nexus has no need for you. And neither has LL.

Choosing the stance Nexus did is a sound decision. From an Ethical and from a Business standpoint.

And about the "competing":
Loverslab is a niche-interest site run by a single person with the help of 4-5 volunteers.
Nexus is a multi-million Dollar company which covers A vast array of games and have significantly more to offer if you not specifically looking for the very fetish-orientated stuff.
Its like comparing Apples with Elephants. there is no competition.

[worik]

1 hour ago, zelphador23 said:

Funny thing is, I found LL through nexus adult mods. Lol.

? ... *cough* ...  ...

 

[Mr. Otaku]

16 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

You are an absolute clown.
To summarize: Someone on nexus created a sock-puppet account and uploaded a mod which removed pride-flags from a spiderman game. Comment section for that mod turned into a cesspool of homophobes and far-righters, so Nexus pulled it.
Do you honestly believe this story would have been any different here?

 

Yeah i was about to engage with the main post in good faith but once i realized what they're saying i just mentally checked out, it's the same old bullshit with these wannabe libertarian types. You said everything that needs to be said so i won't add anything more to that.

 

And @katrina.balanchuk you absolutely do not give a shit about free speech and you know it. You just wanna post vile shit without catching backlash for it, i would pity you people a little less if you were at least honest about your intentions instead of doing this slimy "oh no their oppressing freeze peach we are de victims!" shtick to disguise your bigotry.

[t.ara]

Definitivly it doesn´t make sense to discuss anything like that. If you want to play with some common stuff for skyrim, you need to look at content on nexus. You also order stuff on amazon?....You use twitter?...Facebook?...All is up to you and you´re the food of data-flow in the internet. Big buiseness is all around. Collecting and consuming your data. Alternativly you can pull out the plug of your internet and leave that all behind...

Who nowadays is offering mods without any interest to make $$$ ???

[DocClox]

There's a few things here.

 

First of all, I agree: if the poster used a sock puppet account to post a mod with the clear intention of trolling, then yeah, by all means pull it.

 

Secondly, if someone is fed up of looking at pride flags after having them emblazoned everywhere they look for the last half year, I don't really see it as homophobia to load a mod to remove them. There's a difference between changing what you see on your own computer and offering violence, prejudice and discrimination to LGBQT+ people. Equally, someone wants to change all the flags to be pride flags, and maybe Spidey's costume for good measure, that shouldn't be an issue either. In both cases, if you don't like it, don't load it.

 

Thirdly: Nexus is a snakepit and always has been. It's useful as a mod database, but I'd never try and engage socially over there. Some of the mods are enormously self-righteous and I've seen them ban posters without warning for asking harmless and well intentioned questions.

 

Fourthly, there is no way in hell this place is going to compete with Nexus, nor should it try.

Edited November 30, 2022 by DocClox

[Miauzi]

Well - the "frog" has long since got rid of its "painted" liberal color...
..because from a certain point he already uses the catchphrases from a right-wing nationalist corner - which we here in Germany call "blue-brown". Among other things, an exuberant hatred of "Greens" or supposedly "Greens" is also characteristic.

 

Am 20.11.2022 um 18:51 Uhr sagte katrina.balanchuk:

1)Where did you get this from?

This is freely invented trope by the greens with no basis in fact of any kind.

An example where ideologues freely invent a talking point and the media bubble is either too ignorant to challenge them or ideologically aligned and is fully ok with misdirecting and manipulating the public.

Wir koennen auch Deutsch sprechen wenn Du willst. Das ist eine der Sprachen die ich leidlich gut spreche.

ich bin auch gut mit den verreuckten Blueten der BRD politlandschaft bekannt, weil ich dort viele Jahre wohnte.

Karl Eduard von Schnitzler was my child hood TV consumption (i lived near the border) so I am well versed in the methodology of modern propaganda as it is currently practiced in the FRG and sadly in UK and in now recent years the US.

 

2) DNA repair mechanisms are such that the allowable limits are actually quite lower than what will actually affect mammalian DNA.

The Linear no threshhold model (LNTM) that underlies regulatory limits is well known to be flawed and simply created to have a basis, any basis, for  a regulatory number.

Mammalian resistance to to ionizing radiation works very different than the LNTM suggests.

There is zero effect up to a certain level.

This level different by sex, age and species.

But it is notably higher than our regulatory numbers due to the LNTM that is being used.

I used to teach classes to nursing students on this subject.

 

 

I find it very amusing for me when someone assumes that I have no brains in my head and would babble on "left-green" ideology

 

Spoiler

Short about me:
am 60 years old today and was an advocate of nuclear power technology until 1986 - then exactly that world-famous accident happened during my engineering studies (mechanical engineering).
While I was still studying, I attended a (non-public) lecture given by a nuclear power plant engineer. (AKW-Greifswald) who had reported on the course of the accident with a lot of details - details that were officially kept secret for decades!
All of this made me, among other things, look for alternatives to nuclear power plants...
..this and other things led me to the small environmental movement in the GDR in 1988 after the end of my studies.
In the summer of 1989, the "communists" declared me an "enemy of the state" - the state security set me up - tried to enforce a professional ban and persuaded me to emigrate to the west.
All of that alone didn't help - with a lot of luck I was able to escape severe reprisals or even arrest.
on 4.11. 500,000 people demonstrated in East Berlin and I walked at the front of this procession with others from the environmental movement.
On 9.11. the wall fell...
.. why do you think I didn't answer the above posting??

 

The resulting discussion style is fairly easy to recognize after a while - because it exhibits a constantly repeating but hardly varied pattern.
And that includes things like:
"Of course I have nothing against homosexual people but NOT in my public"
--
but sometimes it's pretty silly...
..you open a thread on the vanilla game in "NukaWorld" and ask to put the answer in a spoiler
I beg your pardon??
--
I have a feeling that someone is massively (almost obsessively) looking for "attention".

[Psalam]

For those of you who are not already familiar with me I am a shameless self-promoter and fan of LL. I was so long before I became a Moderator. And, as a fan of LL, I want to add just a little to what @DocClox just said (which was pithy).

 

LL is a mod site, first and foremost. Don't believe me? Read the first Rule. It's first for a reason folks. Mods and mod authors are what LL is about at its core. Posts and threads are secondary (which I can say with impunity as the all-time leading poster on LL). Ashal sets policy and this is her vision.

 

That being said, I like to see posters. Posts and Threads DO tend to turn lurkers into posters and contribute to turning all those people into Supporters. However, the presence of mods is the draw, specifically adult-oriented mods. I would like to see more mods here even more than additional posters and would love it if this site could rival Nexus. But, I'm not going to hold my breath until we do.

 

(As an aside, for those of you who missed the memo, LL no longer has a relationship with Patreon. To Support the site you have to do so on SubscribeStar. As before, a link to the LL account there can be found on the bottom right of any page - including this one. Just click on the blue "Help Support LoversLab" link.)

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

9 hours ago, katrina.balanchuk said:

it is Damning in my opinion that they w/o warning shut down that mod and banned the member

 

 

dude broke a rule, you can not create a 2nd account.   Person knew mod would agitate people and that it would maybe/probably come down and he tried to circumvent culpability by creating that 2nd account.  Can't do that

 

 

I dont like that they even touched on the gay/straight? thing after the fact that there was a 2nd account. Replacing gay flags with non gay flags should not be an issue. Im not offended if someone replaces this or that banner in skyrim with gay stuffs, probably won't use it but no offense giving.  

 

I am with you on their last statement, sounded kinda shitty. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Heroine HoneyCrotch

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Psalam said:

 

LL is a mod site, first and foremost. Don't believe me? Read the first Rule. It's first for a reason folks. Mods and mod authors are what LL is about at its core. Posts and threads are secondary (which I can say with impunity as the all-time leading poster on LL). Ashal sets policy and this is her vision.

 

That being said, I like to see posters. Posts and Threads DO tend to turn lurkers into posters and contribute to turning all those people into Supporters. However, the presence of mods is the draw, specifically adult-oriented mods. I would like to see more mods here even more than additional posters and would love it if this site could rival Nexus. But, I'm not going to hold my breath until we do.

 

 

 

>If I understood your post correctly, I would agree and say that if LL mod makers can make enough quality mods that will parry and even overrun Nexus mods, we do not need to compete. The content (mods) we offer will beat them without our efforts to try it ... So

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Evaloves4

[geekyraptorstudios]

to do so we'd need a non-adult branch of the site, without those sexual or pornagraphic ads.

Nexus is more family friendly and therefore, to compete, LL would need to cater to that audience as well.

[belegost]

2 minutes ago, geekyraptorstudios said:

LL would need to cater to that audience as well.

No, thank you.

[geekyraptorstudios]

6 minutes ago, belegost said:

No, thank you.

then the decision is clear, LL shouldn't cater to that audience, nor should it have to. we come here for adult mods, let's not try to be a site that is as sterile and generic as Nexus.

[geekyraptorstudios]

not to mention soulless. Nexus is downright evil, just look at the flood of modders who took down their content.

[Miauzi]

Why compete?

LL has its sector -> Porn Mods (and that's a good thing)
Nexus has its sector -> NON-porn mods (that's their thing and a good thing)

So why "poach" in their area if they don't harass us in any way?
On nexus there are good and ambitious mods - I'll call them "Overlord"
However, the drawn characters of the anime are anathema to the author (sexistically exaggerated) - it originally comes from the (text-heavy) light novel.
However, the actual distribution of "Overlord" took place via the anime - so the mod users ask why, for example, the succubus "Albedo" looks so completely different.
There are even companion mods that design these characters according to the anime - but the author of "Overlord" refuses any cooperation with them...
..it's too "sexy" for him etc.
--
Well - the author of a mod - especially if he works on it for several years unpaid - has of course every right to do with his mod or not what he wants.

Only when the reason for the rejection is given it seems as if he is sitting in a Catholic girls' boarding school - he is so "buttoned up".

That's the way the world is - highly complex and very diverse - even with things that you don't like.

Still, Tullius found that the main characters of the mod could be "lifted" a bit - he made a nice addition to it
(which I also use by the way)

[belegost]

32 minutes ago, geekyraptorstudios said:

Nexus is downright evil

I snorted.

 

It's a fucking mod hosting site, just like LL. I use mods from both, plus a number of others, each for different reason, and I do not plan on stopping. My reply to statements like these is a pitying smile.

Edited November 29, 2022 by belegost

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

LL is not ours to go and compete with nexus "lets go guys we're doing this!"  

 

 

-LL users: we need to compete with nexus

 

-Other users:  no we dont

 

 

 Its kind of funny when you think about it.....

 

[Mr. Otaku]

1 hour ago, belegost said:

I snorted.

 

It's a fucking mod hosting site, just like LL. I use mods from both, plus a number of others, each for different reason, and I do not plan on stopping. My reply to statements like these is a pitying smile.

 

Some people take shit way too seriously and you can just smell the pretentiousness from their comments lol. Fucking dorks, man.

[katrina.balanchuk]

I thought it would have been nice to build an alternative.

obviously there is a market for it

I must say, I was not prepared for the viciousness of some of the comments.

But I suppose I should not expect better, it is the internet of 2022 after all.

 

I always try to engage in good faith with anyone and everyone, but apperantly it does not work for some folks.

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by katrina.balanchuk

[katrina.balanchuk]

10 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said:

And @katrina.balanchuk you absolutely do not give a shit about free speech and you know it. You just wanna post vile shit without catching backlash for it, i would pity you people a little less if you were at least honest about your intentions instead of doing this slimy "oh no their oppressing freeze peach we are de victims!" shtick to disguise your bigotry.

 

Wow.  I feel sorry for you.

 

it is obvious this thread did not contribute to the growth of the forum.

I will not make another.

Ideologues your mission is accomplished for the day.

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by katrina.balanchuk

[katrina.balanchuk]

7 hours ago, Miauzi said:

Well - the "frog" has long since got rid of its "painted" liberal color...

I have no idea what this even means.?

..because from a certain point he already uses the catchphrases from a right-wing nationalist corner - which we here in Germany call "blue-brown". Among other things, an exuberant hatred of "Greens" or supposedly "Greens" is also characteristic.

There is no such thing as a "right wing nationalist corner" in Germany anymore ( at least not in an relevant amount). I lived in Europe for many years. mostly in germany and  in UK. What is consider middle-of-the-road there is considered leftist extremist here and used to be considered that as well. Also while it may true men are often more interested in politics, I think you assumed gender here.?

 

 

I find it very amusing for me when someone assumes that I have no brains in my head and would babble on "left-green" ideology.

respect for your background

 

  Reveal hidden contents

Short about me:
am 60 years old today and was an advocate of nuclear power technology until 1986 - then exactly that world-famous accident happened during my engineering studies (mechanical engineering).
While I was still studying, I attended a (non-public) lecture given by a nuclear power plant engineer. (AKW-Greifswald) who had reported on the course of the accident with a lot of details - details that were officially kept secret for decades!
All of this made me, among other things, look for alternatives to nuclear power plants...
..this and other things led me to the small environmental movement in the GDR in 1988 after the end of my studies.
In the summer of 1989, the "communists" declared me an "enemy of the state" - the state security set me up - tried to enforce a professional ban and persuaded me to emigrate to the west.
All of that alone didn't help - with a lot of luck I was able to escape severe reprisals or even arrest.
on 4.11. 500,000 people demonstrated in East Berlin and I walked at the front of this procession with others from the environmental movement.
On 9.11. the wall fell...
.. why do you think I didn't answer the above posting??

 

The resulting discussion style is fairly easy to recognize after a while - because it exhibits a constantly repeating but hardly varied pattern.
And that includes things like:
"Of course I have nothing against homosexual people but NOT in my public"

 

I have no idea were this comes from. But folks are so conditioned these days, that they look evrywhere for, and so of course find, "evil"
--
but sometimes it's pretty silly...
..you open a thread on the vanilla game in "NukaWorld" and ask to put the answer in a spoiler
I beg your pardon??

I dont recall ever having asked for an answer to a question of mine to be put in spoiler for me. I do try to be as spoiler free as possible in my questions when I describe stuff so other folks who are new to it dont get things spoilerd.

if I misspoke or broke some kind of forum netiquette with spoilering I apologize. O you know what. No I don't apologize. apologizing just emboldens certain people.

--
I have a feeling that someone is massively (almost obsessively) looking for "attention".

Its called liking a forum and trying to come up with ideas to help make it grow.

 

I think you are still angry because you made a fool of yourself with your "industrial revolution due to colonial explaitation" talking point.?

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by katrina.balanchuk

[katrina.balanchuk]

11 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

 

You are an absolute clown.
....Comment section for that mod turned into a cesspool of homophobes and far-righters...

 I feel sorry for you, language is the tool we use for thinking and using language like this, is its own punishment.?

 

But as I wrote in an earlier post this thread has not turned out to be community building and positive thing I was hoping for, if anything it achieved the opposite.

There will not be another.

 

Moderators please feel free, to close the thread.

Edited November 29, 2022 by katrina.balanchuk