Y'all think there will ever be a game that replaces skyrim as the king on this site?

[gurugeorge]

7 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

What does the world of Skyrim have to do with the world of Cyberpunk?

Very very little and that's why you can't replace one with the other!!

This is the main flaw in your post.

As a gamer operating in a medieval world, I don't want to switch to a hyper-modern industrial age - just because sex scenes might be smoother and error-free.

If anything, cyberpunk could be compared to the Fallout universe.

Only what was presented as "Cyberpunk" was ultimately a mutilated version of -> "Shadowrun"
only the cyber part was kept with the hacks etc - but the really interesting part with magic, elves, dwarves etc was left out...

.. so why should a mod author who has implemented "real" flying in Skyrim - deal with cyberpunk??
If it were "shadowrun" ... he could realize "flying" in this world because it actually belongs to it

my wife has "cyberpunk" - played it quite intensely...
..I, on the other hand, don't really warm to it.
Something that might interest me for fetish reasons...
..the ballet boot prostheses are not in the standard game

 

I understand your point of view, but I'm not sure that most modders are all that tied to a particular genre.  I think most nerdy folks enjoy both mediaeval and modern/s-f fantasy genres (I know I do, I switch between games in those genres quite often), so the general interest will go with the newer game that has better options for modding. CP2077 isn't quite there yet, but what's being done is VERY promising (since the developers consulted the modders).

 

Of course if the next Elder Scrolls game is next-gen like Cyberpunk, or even better, then the general interest will go there

Edited January 4, 2023 by gurugeorge

[Miauzi]

Vor 15 Minuten sagte gurugeorge:

 

Ich verstehe deinen Standpunkt, aber ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob die meisten Modder so sehr an ein bestimmtes Genre gebunden sind. Ich denke, die meisten nerdigen Leute mögen sowohl mittelalterliche als auch moderne/SF-Fantasy-Genres (ich weiß, dass ich das tue, ich wechsle ziemlich oft zwischen Spielen in diesen Genres), also wird das allgemeine Interesse mit dem neueren Spiel gehen, das bessere Modding-Optionen hat. CP2077 ist noch nicht ganz da, aber was getan wird, ist SEHR vielversprechend (da die Entwickler die Modder konsultiert haben).

 

Natürlich, wenn das nächste Elder Scrolls-Spiel Next-Gen wie Cyberpunk oder sogar noch besser ist, dann wird das allgemeine Interesse dorthin gehen

 

Why is there such a large mod universe around TES and Fallout?

Because the games are so badly programmed - but at the same time because of the "creation kit" they can also be easily modified.

Despite all criticism of cyberpunk - it still contains far fewer bugs than any Fallout or TES game.

Of course there will be mods for cybrpunk, but whether the game will be the focus of a large mod community for a whole decade of a century...
... myself and other users (see posts in this thread) doubt this.

and of course - there are the mod authors who are flexible in terms of which game genre they modify - others are not.

[GrimReaper]

8 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

Why is there such a large mod universe around TES and Fallout?

Because the games are so badly programmed - but at the same time because of the "creation kit" they can also be easily modified.

Despite all criticism of cyberpunk - it still contains far fewer bugs than any Fallout or TES game.

Of course there will be mods for cybrpunk, but whether the game will be the focus of a large mod community for a whole decade of a century...
... myself and other users (see posts in this thread) doubt this.

and of course - there are the mod authors who are flexible in terms of which game genre they modify - others are not.

Talking from a sex mod perspective, but can be applied to pretty much everything else as well:

 

They're popular because they offer the opportunity for modders to indulge in whatever they fancy. Sure, we need script extenders and the like because nobody but Bethesda has access to the full dev tools, but lots of things are already in the base games simply waiting to be expanded. Think of all the NPC interaction mods, whether that be something like combat sex or anything that starts via dialogue, such as prostitution, extortion or whatever you can think of - the base game has fully interactive NPCs, no exceptions. They have their own schedule, their own scripted behavior and an inventory. The player character is special in the sense that the PC is controlled by an actual human, but all the basic functions are the same as any NPC, they can pick stuff up, equip it, loot containers and such.

Tl;dr: Bethesda games offer persistent NPC systems which a modder can take advantage of, other games do not. That's also the reason why cities and settlements are scaled down massively compared to games like Witcher, GTA or Assassin's Creed.

[woodsman30]

A question that has no real answer right or wrong depends on mod-able games and what can be modded ect. Skyrim has many flaws but the game creators handed over the keys and said make what ever you want. However the base Skyrim game is quite different in what it offers. How many games have you seen where every house can be entered and the house has people living in it with jobs all their own? None I have ever seen the game had a huge undertaking just to do that think about pathing meshes ect...  For the most part all of Skyrim can be explored base game not modded .... mods of course the sky is the limit. Even fallout lacks what Skyrim brought to the table I cannot think of any game that give complete control like Skyrim can you?

[Miauzi]

Vor 4 Minuten sagte woodsman30:

Eine Frage, die keine wirkliche Antwort richtig oder falsch hat, hängt von modifizierbaren Spielen ab und davon, was modifiziert werden kann usw. Skyrim hat viele Mängel, aber die Entwickler des Spiels übergaben die Schlüssel und sagten, mach, was immer du willst. Das Basisspiel Skyrim unterscheidet sich jedoch in seinen Angeboten erheblich. Wie viele Spiele haben Sie gesehen, wo jedes Haus betreten werden kann und das Haus von Menschen bewohnt wird, die alle ihre eigenen Jobs haben? Ich habe noch nie gesehen, dass das Spiel ein riesiges Unterfangen hatte, nur um das zu tun, denke an das Pfaden von Maschen usw. Zum größten Teil kann Skyrim als Basisspiel erkundet werden, nicht mit Mods ... Mods sind natürlich die Grenze. Sogar Fallout fehlt das, was Skyrim auf den Tisch gebracht hat. Ich kann mir kein Spiel vorstellen, das eine vollständige Kontrolle wie Skyrim bietet, oder?

 

And you can even create a completely new game with the basis of this game...

..a total conversion -> Enderal

[KoolHndLuke]

Honestly, it's been so long since a new Beth release that unless Starfield is a complete dog, it will challenge Skyrim modding in just a few years. I know a lot of MA's have said they're not interested, but something tells me that the buzz in Starfield modding community will lure them back. The biggest hurdle I see are paywalled mods. Less and less creators adhere to the cathedral approach anymore because Beth themselves don't even care to enforce their EULA. Fine for those of us that can afford the extra dime, but I would bow out on principle. The other problem with this is MA's divided and not creating things with compatibility in mind or willingness to offer patches. The Nexudus splintered the community even further to the point where it will be damned hard to put together a working LO without a lot of ass kissing and work.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[Miauzi]

Vor 31 Minuten sagte KoolHndLuke:

Ehrlich gesagt, es ist so lange her seit einer neuen Beth-Veröffentlichung, dass es, wenn Starfield kein kompletter Hund ist, in nur wenigen Jahren das Modding von Skyrim herausfordern wird. Ich weiß, dass viele MAs gesagt haben, dass sie nicht interessiert sind, aber irgendetwas sagt mir, dass die Begeisterung in der Starfield-Modding-Community sie zurücklocken wird. Die größte Hürde, die ich sehe, sind Paywall-Mods. Immer weniger Schöpfer halten sich mehr an den Kathedralenansatz, weil Beth selbst nicht einmal daran interessiert ist, ihre EULA durchzusetzen. Gut für diejenigen von uns, die sich den zusätzlichen Cent leisten können, aber ich würde aus Prinzip aussteigen. Das andere Problem dabei ist, dass MA gespalten ist und Dinge nicht im Hinblick auf Kompatibilität oder die Bereitschaft, Patches anzubieten, erstellt. Der Nexudus hat die Community noch weiter zersplittert, bis zu dem Punkt, an dem es verdammt schwer sein wird, ohne viel Arschküsse und Arbeit ein funktionierendes LO zusammenzustellen.

 

 

 

a user here had written for exactly these (and other) reasons that the "golden" years of modding are over

Ultimately, your text confirms his statement

and no - I don't think it's nice myself - but I (and everyone else) have to accept it

[KoolHndLuke]

44 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

a user here had written for exactly these (and other) reasons that the "golden" years of modding are over

Ultimately, your text confirms his statement

and no - I don't think it's nice myself - but I (and everyone else) have to accept it

Interesting thought I had just now. Was thinking there will probably be a few "cherry" worlds out of that thousand Starfield boasts and that those will be what many modders focus on - which means potentially game-breaking conflicts. Wouldn't it be nice if a hosting site categorized mods with those conflicts brought to users attention? I mean.... it's not like the average user is going to know about them or will read the compatibility notes left by the author (assuming they post any). I'm sure it would be a very welcome (and appreciated )  feature by whatever hosting site implements it. Not implying LL do this of course because they simply don't have the staff or time (or funds perhaps). But it would be nice.

 

Mods have changed in volume and complexity. Sites that host them would benefit from adapting.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Minute sagte KoolHndLuke:

Interessanter Gedanke, den ich gerade hatte. Dachte, dass es wahrscheinlich ein paar "Kirsch"-Welten aus den tausend Starfield-Prunkereien geben wird und dass sich viele Modder darauf konzentrieren werden - was viele Konflikte bedeutet. Wäre es nicht schön, wenn eine Hosting-Site Mods mit diesen Konflikten kategorisiert, um die Benutzer darauf aufmerksam zu machen? Ich meine ... es ist nicht so, dass der durchschnittliche Benutzer davon weiß oder die vom Autor hinterlassenen Kompatibilitätshinweise liest (vorausgesetzt, er veröffentlicht welche). Ich bin sicher, es wäre sehr willkommen (und geschätzt )-Funktion von jeder Hosting-Site, die sie implementiert. Natürlich nicht implizieren, dass LL dies tun, weil sie einfach nicht das Personal oder die Zeit (oder vielleicht die Mittel) haben. Aber es wäre schön.

 

 

I'm thinking about the always coming back garbage planet in Skyrim

https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/skyrim-geheimnis-muellplanet,3386032.html

[KoolHndLuke]

6 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

 

I'm thinking about the always coming back garbage planet in Skyrim

https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/skyrim-geheimnis-muellplanet,3386032.html

Fuck me! I always wondered why there was shit floating in the sky there. Swear there is this one door near the watch tower that I have tried to activate a few times to no avail. 

Edited January 4, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[GrimReaper]

1 hour ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Honestly, it's been so long since a new Beth release that unless Starfield is a complete dog, it will challenge Skyrim modding in just a few years. I know a lot of MA's have said they're not interested, but something tells me that the buzz in Starfield modding community will lure them back. The biggest hurdle I see are paywalled mods. Less and less creators adhere to the cathedral approach anymore because Beth themselves don't even care to enforce their EULA. Fine for those of us that can afford the extra dime, but I would bow out on principle. The other problem with this is MA's divided and not creating things with compatibility in mind or willingness to offer patches. The Nexudus splintered the community even further to the point where it will be damned hard to put together a working LO without a lot of ass kissing and work.

 

 

I doubt that Starfield will generate as much interest as Skyrim, science fiction isn't as popular as fantasy. It's very much the same reason why Oblivion was more popular than FO3 / FNV and Skyrim moreso than FO4, despite the fantasy games being the older ones in every case.

 

Concerning paywalls, there's a solution to the problem as old as the internet itself. Yar har fiddle-dee-dee...

[KoolHndLuke]

6 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

I doubt that Starfield will generate as much interest as Skyrim, science fiction isn't as popular as fantasy. It's very much the same reason why Oblivion was more popular than FO3 / FNV and Skyrim moreso than FO4, despite the fantasy games being the older ones in every case.

 

Concerning paywalls, there's a solution to the problem as old as the internet itself. Yar har fiddle-dee-dee...

Different opinions and.... of course. Been awhile, huh? Glad you made it through the last few years seemingly unscathed Grimmy. 

[Mexicola88]

Starfield might attract more players and modders than the Fallout universe. Because even tho it is Sci-Fi like Fallout it's still completly different. The way it will be played is completly different from Fallout. I mean fuck we will be able to travel through space like in the Mass Effect series, and this with the good old Creation Engine. I mean the possiblites are endless.

 

It will feel like a mix of Fallout, Mass Effect and Star Citizen or something like that. It doesn't play in that already totally overused Fallout universe that is stuck in the pseudo 50's anymore. I am looking forward to that game, it will be the highlight of the next 2-3 years, that is for sure. There is no other game that i am more excited for atm. GTA VI is still like 2 years away and that is for consoles, we PC players probably gotta wait till the year 2026. That will probably be moddable too again, cars, weapons, new map, roleplay stuff like that. But i always only played GTA V totally vanilla.

 

 

[outcast]

As it was said many times already - only TES6 and Starfield could beat Skyrim just because other game developers don't provide such simple and quite powerful modding tool like Bethesda does. And even these games will require years just to match Skyrim, after all it was around for 10 years and nexus alone has 70 thousand mods for LE and 60 thousand mods for SE.

[Anunya]

On 1/4/2023 at 10:41 AM, GrimReaper said:

Talking from a sex mod perspective, but can be applied to pretty much everything else as well:

 

They're popular because they offer the opportunity for modders to indulge in whatever they fancy. Sure, we need script extenders and the like because nobody but Bethesda has access to the full dev tools, but lots of things are already in the base games simply waiting to be expanded. Think of all the NPC interaction mods, whether that be something like combat sex or anything that starts via dialogue, such as prostitution, extortion or whatever you can think of - the base game has fully interactive NPCs, no exceptions. They have their own schedule, their own scripted behavior and an inventory. The player character is special in the sense that the PC is controlled by an actual human, but all the basic functions are the same as any NPC, they can pick stuff up, equip it, loot containers and such.

Tl;dr: Bethesda games offer persistent NPC systems which a modder can take advantage of, other games do not. That's also the reason why cities and settlements are scaled down massively compared to games like Witcher, GTA or Assassin's Creed.

 

This is a really good point.

 

On the original topic and building off what you wrote: if something is to replace Skyrim it has to be built by a team who wants to enable it from the get-go and not be worried about their brand being associated with naughty stuff.

[Mexicola88]

1 hour ago, RohZima said:

Do not underestimate the joy of jumping. They added jumping back in - like in Nier Automata. I've been playing TESIV lately and the best part is taking huge, ridiculous leaps.

I remember doing that in Morrowind back then, yeah it was fun jumping very high and far with maxed out Acrobatics Skill. I skipped Oblivion and then started playing Skyirm instead. While Oblivion was a thing other games had my attention somehow, played a lot of Battlefield 2 or whatever it was back then.

 

I didn't know Oblivion also had that jumping mechanics.

[Miauzi]

Vor 29 Minuten sagte Mexicola88:

Ich erinnere mich, dass ich das damals in Morrowind gemacht habe, ja, es hat Spaß gemacht, mit maximaler Akrobatik-Fähigkeit sehr hoch und weit zu springen. Ich habe Oblivion übersprungen und stattdessen Skyirm gespielt. Während Oblivion eine Sache war, hatten andere Spiele irgendwie meine Aufmerksamkeit, spielte viel Battlefield 2 oder was auch immer es damals war.

 

Ich wusste nicht, dass Oblivion auch diese Sprungmechanik hat.

 

With Acrobatics 100 you could even walk on water

only it was endlessly difficult to get the skill up where
and
to get to the trainers much more difficult than in Sykrim -> access requirements!!

[DocClox]

56 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

I didn't know Oblivion also had that jumping mechanics.

 

It wasn't so extreme, but it was there. You couldn't do Icaran Flight province-spanning leaps, but what you could do was still fun.

 

I remember I had one late game mage made a spell to fortify speed, athletics and acrobatics, and then ran from The Imperial City to Cheydinhal in under a minute, jumping over the heads of ogres and highwaymen at every crossroads. I miss that character

[GrimReaper]

17 hours ago, RohZima said:

 

Define "actual human."

The person sitting in front of the screen and playing the game. If I wasn't clear, here's what I meant: Skyrim has a few levels of complexity when it comes to NPCs:

Creatures and animals, such as dogs, wolves and atronachs. Those act most similar to NPCs in other games, they have little to no ability to interact with the game world.

Humanoids, of which there are three versions. Draugr, Falmer and human or mer NPCs. Draugr don't have a fully functioning inventory, they can only swap weapons, from ranged to melee. Their abilities are locked depending on which variant spawns with which weapon, a draugr that is capable of casting frost spells isn't able to use both hands for casting if the other hand has a one handed weapon equipped, they also can't unequip a two handed weapon to cast spells. They have no armor, the different variants just have pieces of armor baked onto the model itself. Falmer are a step above draugr because they can equip actual armor which can also be looted from them, however, they also have no access to an inventory like "real" NPCs. Apart from the ability to use armor they are more or less the same as draugr.

 

Then you have NPCs, like guards, shopkeepers and bandits. Those are, on a technical level, more or less the same as the PC. They have access to a full inventory (like the player), are able to equip weapons and armors at will (like the player), are able to pick up dropped items (like the player), are able to loot containers (like the player) and can use items that are in their inventory (like the player). To my knowledge, games from Bethesda are the only ones that go to the length to develop NPCs that have this levels of complexity. Most other games just use NPCs as window dressing, they are spawned and discarded as needed and neither have an inventory nor the ability to interact with the world outside of wandering around and attacking or talking to the player.

 

It's a valid criticism that Skyrim (or Oblivion and Fallout) usually don't do much with these features. However, this isn't the point, it was about modding - any game that does not have the level of depth Skyrim has, like Cyberpunk, The Witcher or GTA won't be able to present the same foundation for modders to build upon. You couldn't, for instance, strip NPCs of their clothing because none of these games give NPCs an inventory, the clothes and or armor they use isn't really there, it's just visually baked onto the base model.

Edited January 7, 2023 by GrimReaper

[FauxFurry]

On 1/4/2023 at 3:31 PM, woodsman30 said:

A question that has no real answer right or wrong depends on mod-able games and what can be modded ect. Skyrim has many flaws but the game creators handed over the keys and said make what ever you want. However the base Skyrim game is quite different in what it offers. How many games have you seen where every house can be entered and the house has people living in it with jobs all their own? None I have ever seen the game had a huge undertaking just to do that think about pathing meshes ect...  For the most part all of Skyrim can be explored base game not modded .... mods of course the sky is the limit. Even fallout lacks what Skyrim brought to the table I cannot think of any game that give complete control like Skyrim can you?

The Sims 3 to a lesser extent 4 but that is about it. One can even construct every house in a custom world in The Sims 3. As a benefit, the only other series that comes close to The Elder Scrolls or BGS Fallout in terms of modding is The Sims series whose mods are hosted far and wide.

TS4 lacks the ability to change anything outside of playable lots so the modding potential is much lower than that of The Elder Scrolls games or even TS3, preventing anything approaching even the simplest of total conversion mods.

There will never be a TS4 equivalent to Enderal, Nehrim or The Forgotten City because there can not be.

 

Likely the reason why games such as Kenshi or Mount and Blade are not up there yet is the basic character interactions do not lend themselves well to interaction expansion modding as well as the previously mentioned franchises. 

[Mexicola88]

20 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

With Acrobatics 100 you could even walk on water

only it was endlessly difficult to get the skill up where
and
to get to the trainers much more difficult than in Sykrim -> access requirements!!

Please just STOP quoting me, and NEVER do it again. I don't like you, and you don't even deserve to quote me without my permission! Seen that you are an asshole of COPYRIGHTS! You don't even deserve to complain so FUCK YOU SERIOUSLY!

 

You should not be allowed to "COPY" anything even if quoted by ANYONE. You are the worst scum of the end of the world!

 

Seriously FUCK YOU!

 

And NO this isn't a JOKE!

 

You should never quote ANYONE AGAIN!

Edited January 7, 2023 by Mexicola88

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Stunden sagte Mexicola88:

Bitte HÖREN SIE einfach AUF, mich zu zitieren, und tun Sie es NIE WIEDER. Ich mag dich nicht und du verdienst es nicht einmal, mich ohne meine Erlaubnis zu zitieren! Gesehen, dass Sie ein Arschloch von COPYRIGHTS sind! Du verdienst es nicht einmal, dich zu beschweren, also FICK DICH ERNST!

 

Es sollte Ihnen nicht erlaubt sein, irgendetwas zu „KOPIEREN“, selbst wenn es von JEMANDEM zitiert wird. Du bist der schlimmste Abschaum vom Ende der Welt!

 

Ernsthaft FICK DICH!

 

Und NEIN, das ist kein WITZ!

 

Du solltest nie wieder jemanden zitieren!

 

Du solltest mal anfangen Deine Probleme (im realen Leben) in den Griff zu bekommen

 

und

 

nicht ständig anderen die Schuld geben für Deine Ausfälle

 

und

 

ja - Du selbst trägst (meiner Ansicht nach) einen guten Teil der Schuld dass das Mod-Projekt für den Rubber-Doll-Anzug eingestellt wurde.

 

und warum ich das hier auf Deutsch schreibe?

Weil Du selbst diese Sprache verstehst und dieser Text ausschliesslich für Dich ist!!

 

so und nun habe noch einen schönen Tag

und

natürlich werde ich Dich zitieren - schliesslich ist das hier ein öffentliches Forum

[Mexicola88]

4 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

Du solltest mal anfangen Deine Probleme (im realen Leben) in den Griff zu bekommen

 

und

 

nicht ständig anderen die Schuld geben für Deine Ausfälle

 

und

 

ja - Du selbst trägst (meiner Ansicht nach) einen guten Teil der Schuld dass das Mod-Projekt für den Rubber-Doll-Anzug eingestellt wurde.

 

und warum ich das hier auf Deutsch schreibe?

Weil Du selbst diese Sprache verstehst und dieser Text ausschliesslich für Dich ist!!

 

so und nun habe noch einen schönen Tag

und

natürlich werde ich Dich zitieren - schliesslich ist das hier ein öffentliches Forum

Plottwist das Projekt wurde gar nicht eingestellt. Aber weder du noch Spacedock  seid noch willkommen daran zu arbeiten. Es gibt einen Discord Channel, wo die Leute drin sind! Es sind derzeit nur 9 Leute daran beteiligt.

 

Kannst dich geehrt fühlen, es wird nicht mehr in dem Forum geposted, wegen DIR und Spacedock! Ihr beide hattet etwas Diktatorisches an euch!

Edited January 7, 2023 by Mexicola88

[Miauzi]

Vor 7 Minuten sagte Mexicola88:

Plottwist das Projekt wurde gar nicht eingestellt. Aber weder du noch Spacedock  seid noch willkommen daran zu arbeiten. Es gibt einen Discord Channel, wo die Leute drin sind! Es sind derzeit nur 9 Leute daran beteiligt.

 

Kannst dich geehrt fühlen, es wird nicht mehr in dem Forum geposted, wegen DIR und Spacedock! Ihr beide hattet etwas Diktatorisches an euch!

 

@spacedock hatte als einzigster eine überzeugende Quest-Geschichte geschrieben

 

und

 

Du hast ihn angepisst und "diktatorische Umtriebe" vorgeworfen - weil er echte Kreativität hat aufblitzen lassen!

 

Was musst Du eigentlich für ein gestörtes Ego haben - manno.

 

Und den kreativsten Kopf sperrt ihr - sofern es überhaupt mit der discord-Gruppe stimmt - aus??

 

Euch ist echt nicht mehr zu helfen!

 

?

[Mexicola88]

Du bist ja so Krank im Kopf das du es nicht einmal glaubst.