How do you roleplay your character wearing skimpy armours?

[Saviorsrd]

On 7/2/2022 at 5:09 AM, RohZima said:

Actually didn't Britons and Nords used to fight practically naked, in ancient times?

 

In addition to other discussion on this, there's another reason why people frequently went into battle naked - If your civilization cannot make clothing or armor that will adequately protect you from a spear thrust, getting stabbed through the clothes actually opens you up to much greater chance for infection due to stuff on your clothes, as well as the weapon's tip etc, getting trapped in your wounds.  A clean wound that doesn't kill you in the next few minutes is a good excuse to get away from the people with stabby things, but that doesn't help much if you die a few days or weeks later from "blood poisoning." 

[RohZima]

1 hour ago, Saviorsrd said:

 

In addition to other discussion on this, there's another reason why people frequently went into battle naked - If your civilization cannot make clothing or armor that will adequately protect you from a spear thrust, getting stabbed through the clothes actually opens you up to much greater chance for infection due to stuff on your clothes, as well as the weapon's tip etc, getting trapped in your wounds.  A clean wound that doesn't kill you in the next few minutes is a good excuse to get away from the people with stabby things, but that doesn't help much if you die a few days or weeks later from "blood poisoning." 

 

People should start walking round London naked then.

[Asrienda]

22 hours ago, Saviorsrd said:

 

In addition to other discussion on this, there's another reason why people frequently went into battle naked - If your civilization cannot make clothing or armor that will adequately protect you from a spear thrust, getting stabbed through the clothes actually opens you up to much greater chance for infection due to stuff on your clothes, as well as the weapon's tip etc, getting trapped in your wounds.  A clean wound that doesn't kill you in the next few minutes is a good excuse to get away from the people with stabby things, but that doesn't help much if you die a few days or weeks later from "blood poisoning." 

 

That's a decent explanation looking back at it, but they didn't know what caused infection back then. Also, just heavy clothing can be an ok replacement for light armor. Not ideal, but better than nothing. There's a reason people wrap jackets around their arms before getting into knife fights, for example.

 

Like, just because your protection can't stop the main threat doesn't mean you should go without protection. Modern military helmets can't stop assault rifle bullets, but they're fine for shrapnel or really far away shots or just bumping your head. Similarly, even if it can't stop a heavy cavalry charge lance doesn't mean you stop wearing armor most of the time.

 

If your society can't even produce clothing... How are you surviving the Skyrim winter?

Edited July 18, 2022 by Asrienda

[DayTri]

I RP that my character inherited the armor, they are a bit embarrassed by it but it's traditional for them.

[Saviorsrd]

56 minutes ago, Asrienda said:

That's a decent explanation looking back at it, but they didn't know what caused infection back then. Also, just heavy clothing can be an ok replacement for light armor. Not ideal, but better than nothing. There's a reason people wrap jackets around their arms before getting into knife fights, for example.

 

Like, just because your protection can't stop the main threat doesn't mean you should go without protection. Modern military helmets can't stop assault rifle bullets, but they're fine for shrapnel or really far away shots or just bumping your head. Similarly, even if it can't stop a heavy cavalry charge lance doesn't mean you stop wearing armor most of the time.

 

If your society can't even produce clothing... How are you surviving the Skyrim winter?

A lot of it has to do with relative technology levels, environment, and so on.  Plus, people throughout history are a lot smarter than we typically give them credit for with pattern recognition, at least.  They didn't know why getting stabbed with a dirty set of furs or heavy cloth resulted in blood poisoning, but they had more than enough anecdotal evidence to work out that it did.

 

Historically, you see naked (or near-naked) fighting one of two situations.  One, they just don't wear a whole lot anyway, like in the African savannas and other places in the Pre-Classical world.  Two, when one side has weapons with an overwhelming advantage over the armor the other side can produce, such as iron or steel spears against heavy cloth.  In the latter case, those forces usually ended up in retreat with a lot of "Brave warriors" dead behind them, but it was justified by the wounded living to fight another day. 

 

And usually they'd put an emphasis on catching up pretty darn quick if they had the materials to hand, or could steal them from their opponents somehow.  Either way, it was a situation that rarely lasted long.

[LordDarSteel]

Usually for me it's because by the time my character can buy/make these sexy skimpy armor's they're already extremely powerful mages fireballing fools or wins swordfights by stabbing their victims in the back.  No need for heavy steel. When I do the civilwar quests I usually have my characters switch to full-body armor just to RP confused melees and stuff.

[yorpers]

You desperately need that resist poison enchantment, but the only one at the general store is on the thong. ? You don't have enough money so you have to sell the rest of your clothes to afford it. 

 

Damn poison. 

 

I find this a bit harder to roleplay out. It's just a flesh wound!

 

Spoiler

 

[Tayte]

It is admittedly hard to come up with a good reason, without it just being an excuse to make the world you want. I personally focus a lot into BDSM mods, and center my world around such. As in males being in the dominant role for the most part, and females being more in the submissive role. So in my made-up universe. Females are just mostly seen as sex objects with no rights, and sometimes even less. So while my character doesn't like such armor. She's moreso forced to, if she wishes to avoid conflict. My entire game is centered this way. So all female npcs, will wear bdsm gear or some form of skimpy stuff.

I do keep vanilla armors, and while you can still wear those. I just like to think lore-wise you'll get in trouble for it. I also have the mod slaverun, so if you aren't somewhat nude in cities, you can be apprehended and get in trouble. My skyrim world is pretty awful, but it makes up the lore for what I need. I like to imagine my character has the goal of somehow stopping slavery, escaping or at the very least reach a higher status to avoid being abused as much. Silly I know. I have added so many slave caravans, slaves in bandit camps, cities, quests, bdsm-fied statues, devices and what not to really sell the idea that this is a world of really horrible slavery. I'm always on the hunt for more mods adding to this idea.

It is also my excuse for having modern bdsm gear as being a bit ahead of its time with magic, due to being used so much in that universe. It is by no means Lore-friendly skyrim. Its just moreso skyrim in an universe where everything went pretty kinky and dark haha.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Tayte

[belegost]

On 6/29/2022 at 4:38 PM, iceta said:

how do you "justify" the use of armours that almost cover nothing?

 

I don't.

SL Survival forces me to use them whether I want it or not...

 

...and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Edited July 19, 2022 by belegost

[woodsman30]

Role-play reason one who is going to tell them not to wear it?

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Role-play reason two cleavage is always a good idea

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Role-play final reason Chasing dragons who has time to drop your pants to pee

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[Alessia Wellington]

10 minutes ago, woodsman30 said:

Chasing dragons who has time to drop your pants to pee

 

Helps to not having any dragons to chase. ?

[SmedleyDButler]

Some of y'all need to learn the joys of undressing. At least once in a while!

[Asrienda]

16 hours ago, Tayte said:

It is admittedly hard to come up with a good reason, without it just being an excuse to make the world you want. I personally focus a lot into BDSM mods, and center my world around such. As in males being in the dominant role for the most part, and females being more in the submissive role. So in my made-up universe. Females are just mostly seen as sex objects with no rights, and sometimes even less. So while my character doesn't like such armor. She's moreso forced to, if she wishes to avoid conflict. My entire game is centered this way. So all female npcs, will wear bdsm gear or some form of skimpy stuff.

I do keep vanilla armors, and while you can still wear those. I just like to think lore-wise you'll get in trouble for it. I also have the mod slaverun, so if you aren't somewhat nude in cities, you can be apprehended and get in trouble. My skyrim world is pretty awful, but it makes up the lore for what I need. I like to imagine my character has the goal of somehow stopping slavery, escaping or at the very least reach a higher status to avoid being abused as much. Silly I know. I have added so many slave caravans, slaves in bandit camps, cities, quests, bdsm-fied statues, devices and what not to really sell the idea that this is a world of really horrible slavery. I'm always on the hunt for more mods adding to this idea.

It is also my excuse for having modern bdsm gear as being a bit ahead of its time with magic, due to being used so much in that universe. It is by no means Lore-friendly skyrim. Its just moreso skyrim in an universe where everything went pretty kinky and dark haha.

 

Which mods do you use to add slave caravans and such to populate your world?

[Tayte]

4 hours ago, Asrienda said:

 

Which mods do you use to add slave caravans and such to populate your world?

I use ambient slave girls and slave girls by hydragorgon.

Deviously cursed loot also adds a random tied up girl in certain cities.

 

and then I got a few like damsels in distress and some others I cant remember, but the caravans mainly come from hydragorgon slavegirls. They just walk around the world a lot of them.

[Captain Cobra]

On 6/29/2022 at 9:38 AM, iceta said:

I often struggle to find a reason why my character would constantly wear a bikini armour when she's not a total slut (yet), but i still want to use those armours withou my idiot brain complaining, how do you "justify" the use of armours that almost cover nothing?

 

Shield enchantments.

[lPalpatinel]

this question happens at least once in the life of anyone who mods skyrim, but the answer is simple: just know how to put correct mods so you don't find this type of armor strange, but relax, I'll explain it better in the following paragraph.

 

First, one of the reasons why you find your character strange using skimpy armors is because your skyrim npcs use either vanilla armor or armor mods that cover the whole body. Knowing this, it is essential that you have a mod that modifies all the armors in the game to be skimpy because then the feeling of estrangement will not exist, I particularly use the BHUNP BD Amors replacer which is for women and for men there are also mods for skimpy armor.

 

In addition, it's also normal to think that it's strange that npcs don't react to my character using skimpy armors for that there are mods that add this reaction like bakafactory's sexlab approach, you just need to know how to add the mod keywords in your armor or clothes and the npcs They'll have a reaction to what you're wearing.

 

After having said all that, the only thing missing is the combat issue, and this is literally the game's fantasy and there's no way to involve logic, because even if you play with vanilla armor, there's no logic for a person wearing leather armor withstand dragon flames, if reality was taken into account it was for every character to be cooked immediately after taking a dragon flame attack.

 

[FauxFurry]

I go by the concept of Heroic Nudity which, to sum it up for the 'modern' mind, the biggest badasses are not afraid to show how bad it is without any barriers.

That concept is slightly toned down in games based upon the mythologies which inspired artworks prominently featuring Heroic Nudity but Hercules does still express a sentiment that would no doubt be shared by all heroes of ancient Greece here:

All of the fancy NordWar armor replacers are for NPCs outside of the Dragonborn's party. It really helps to sell their toughness when they take apart enemies hiding behind walls of steels while covered head to toe in yet more metal. 

[Guest]

Just like Conan did, in the old magazines I used to read, no one but the Soldiers wore much if anything. 

 

Edited February 2, 2023 by caveman74

[Miauzi]

Vor 4 Stunden sagte caveman74:

Genau wie Conan trug in den alten Zeitschriften, die ich früher gelesen hatte, niemand außer den Soldaten viel, wenn überhaupt etwas.

 

 

  Enthüllen Sie versteckte Inhalte

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's actually a shame that I'm only now discovering this thread - but I only saw a nice TV documentary that sheds a little more light on the socio-cultural background about 2 weeks ago.

This dealt with the history of monumental films that dealt with ancient materials such as
- Ben Hur
- Spartacus
- Cleoprata

All these films were shot in Italy or other Mediterranean countries.
When the exorbitant production costs choked off the genre, the sword-and-sandals movies came along.

In Italy, the backdrops and costumes of previous Hollywood productions were "recycled" and these "B-Movies" focused primarily on the ancient heroes with their mega muscles.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandalenfilm

 

The original type - whom Arnold Schwarzenegger later emulated in "Conan" - was:

http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Reeves,+Steve

 

Ultimately, this genre eventually died out after endless productions.

When I was a child and a teenager, I watched numerous films about it on weekend TV in the afternoon.

After reading Homer's Iliad, however, it became clear to me - that the sexual component of this muscular limb is much more important than "historical" correctness.

In the end, the success of the "Conan" movies flushed these "penny novels" out of literary obscurity
(yes - I've read several of them - cruel food)

But they have shaped the modern image of "barbarians" - male as well as female (!!) - more than many are aware of...

..hence all the hype about bikini armor - which you can really only endure with a lot of humor.

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Back to ancient superheroes - besides Hercules there is also Achilles

that he wears armor at all in battle is only due to the fact that he would otherwise fight naked...

...because he does NOT need this at all for protection.
The guy is (like Siegfried - his Norse counterpart) -> INvulnerable!!

Question to the group: -> at which point is Achilles vulnerable?
N / A?? N / A??

And which bitch of a goddess tells the free ass "Paris" this place??

?

 

[belegost]

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

And which bitch of a goddess tells the free ass "Paris" this place??

 

Is this a trick question? No bitch goddess tells him. It's actually Apollo (a god) that guides an arrow shot by Paris to strike Achilles' vulnerable spot.

Edited February 2, 2023 by belegost

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

Back to ancient superheroes - besides Hercules there is also Achilles

that he wears armor at all in battle is only due to the fact that he would otherwise fight naked...

Which reminds me of the Spartans, who fought nude. Brave or Psycho, take your pick.

[Alessia Wellington]

1 minute ago, caveman74 said:

Brave or Psycho, take your pick.

 

Brave psychos.

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Minuten sagte caveman74:

Was mich an die Spartaner erinnert, die nackt gekämpft haben. Brave oder Psycho, treffen Sie Ihre Wahl.

 

The real Spartans in a phalanx were heavily armored - everything else is film myth.

They weren't even naked during the Thermophyllae battle - not even in "300"

 

[Miauzi]

Vor 9 Minuten sagte belegost:

 

Ist das eine Fangfrage? Keine Schlampengöttin sagt es ihm. Es ist tatsächlich Apollo (ein Gott), der einen von Paris geschossenen Pfeil lenkt, um die verwundbare Stelle von Achilles zu treffen.

 

trick question?
Jup - but rather unconsciously - caught myself with it.

[belegost]

4 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Schlampengöttin

 

Gotta be honest I had a good laugh. You have no idea how funny that sounds in my native language.