How do you roleplay your character wearing skimpy armours?

[Miauzi]

Vor 4 Minuten sagte belegost:

 

Ich muss ehrlich sein, ich musste gut lachen. Du hast keine Ahnung, wie komisch das in meiner Muttersprache klingt.

 

lass mich raten -> deutsch??

 

[belegost]

12 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

lass mich raten -> deutsch?

 

Nein. Auch keiner der deutschen Dialekte. Ich spreche kein Deutsch.

[Miauzi]

On the Far East side, too, there are superheroes who, armed with swords, don't do without clothing but armor

my personal favorite:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_(2002)

 

and also in an earlier production:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_and_Dragon

 

it is often pretended here in the "West" that the "Wuxia" genre - which ascribes super strength to heroes (like swordsmen) - is something typical of East Asian culture

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxia

 

you should take a closer look at the classic European knight sagas.

Not only Siegfried stands out with his "dragon skin" and his 12-man strength...

...even a "Wolf-Dietrich" could jump from a standing position onto a 2 meter high table with COMPLETE plate armor!

(Uh - 2 meter high table?? -> Menno - he fought the GIANTS there)

 

But but - jump from a standing position onto a 5 meter high wall - tzzz

Well - today's free climber in "Speed" looks at a 15 meter high wall for about 5 seconds - in our reality...

..next year in Paris the Olympic champion will be determined in this discipline.

How would people of medieval Europe react at the sight of an athlete - climbing the height of the gable wall of a church in that era?

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Miauzi said:

They weren't even naked during the Thermophyllae battle - not even in "300"

I stand corrected Mistress! 

I hate the movie 300, while fun to watch it is not all that.

I must say I am impressed with the deep pool of overall knowledge you possess, Are you really a college professor moonlighting as an HVAC specialist?!

 

and as far as Conan the Barbarian is concerned, Arnold just doesn't hold a candle to the Conan I read in the graphic novels of the 70's!!

Edited February 2, 2023 by caveman74

[Miauzi]

Vor 18 Minuten sagte caveman74:

Ich stehe korrigiert Herrin!

Ich hasse den Film 300, während es Spaß macht, ihn nicht zu sehen.

Ich muss sagen, ich bin beeindruckt von dem tiefen Pool an Gesamtwissen, das Sie besitzen. Sind Sie wirklich ein College-Professor, der nebenbei als HVAC-Spezialist arbeitet?!

 

so not really...

...but I had parents who gave me the joy of reading very early on - this included Jules Verne as well as the German knight sagas (no medieval castle was safe from us on holiday together).

Later, antiquity was added - but its historical sites were only accessible to me after 1990 (German reunification).

When I was young, my aunt (my father's sister) specifically "worked" on my love of art.

I didn't officially work at a college or university - but I was a lecturer (10 years) in a similar qualification for adults

when you are 60 years old and understand learning as a lifelong process...

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[FauxFurry]

4 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

The real Spartans in a phalanx were heavily armored - everything else is film myth.

They weren't even naked during the Thermophyllae battle - not even in "300"

 

It was not a myth. It was based upon myths. The difference is small yet distinct enough to bear pointing out. 

[Miauzi]

17 minutes ago, FauxFurry said:

Es war kein Mythos. Es basierte auf Mythen. Der Unterschied ist klein, aber deutlich genug, um darauf hingewiesen zu werden. 

 

you know they're showing me artwork of a muscle-bound warrior - sort of a male nude with a little bit of military gear

but these are not realistic representations of a warrior in a spartan battle formation

I could just as well look for the representations of Amazons from the Internet as proof of something please???

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The hoplites formed the core of a phalanx - they were heavily armored for their time ->
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplite

 

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Don't get me wrong - one should regard the Greeks as the inventors of the body cult...

..but in addition to training and caring for their bodies, mental education was just as important to them.

That's why they practically invented something that hadn't existed before -> the "Gymnasium"
Which in its original form included physical and mental education in equal parts.

But today in the "modern" west (I live in D-country - that's where these schools are deliberately named after their Greek original) a purely spiritual educational institution has become - sport as a basis for physical training is actually no longer available!
(I don't even put the word body care in my mouth - an ancient Greek would only turn away with contempt or with deep sadness if he saw these schools)

And yes - even the elite Spartan warriors didn't just train their arm muscles!

Edited February 2, 2023 by Miauzi

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

when you are 60 years old and understand learning as a lifelong process...

I meant to Compliment you on you site wide posts that clearly show your intelligence, I am 63 myself and not as educated as you, but no dumb person either.      

[FauxFurry]

51 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

you know they're showing me artwork of a muscle-bound warrior - sort of a male nude with a little bit of military gear

but these are not realistic representations of a warrior in a spartan battle formation

I could just as well look for the representations of Amazons from the Internet as proof of something please???

---
The hoplites formed the core of a phalanx - they were heavily armored for their time ->
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplite

 

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Don't get me wrong - one should regard the Greeks as the inventors of the body cult...

..but in addition to training and caring for their bodies, mental education was just as important to them.

That's why they practically invented something that hadn't existed before -> the "Gymnasium"
Which in its original form included physical and mental education in equal parts.

But today in the "modern" west (I live in D-country - that's where these schools are deliberately named after their Greek original) a purely spiritual educational institution has become - sport as a basis for physical training is actually no longer available!
(I don't even put the word body care in my mouth - an ancient Greek would only turn away with contempt or with deep sadness if he saw these schools)

And yes - even the elite Spartan warriors didn't just train their arm muscles!

I said 'based upon myth'. I was just clearing up what was said earlier when you said that the content of the movie itself was a myth rather than it being based upon it. It put the point of origin of the trope several centuries too late. 

[Guest]

Wait...so less armor doesn't mean a higher armor rating? SHIT!

Edited February 3, 2023 by zelphador23

[Miauzi]

Vor 2 Minuten sagte FauxFurry:

Ich sagte 'basierend auf Mythos'. Ich habe nur klargestellt, was vorhin gesagt wurde, als Sie sagten, dass der Inhalt des Films selbst ein Mythos sei, anstatt darauf zu beruhen. Es setzte den Ursprung der Trope mehrere Jahrhunderte zu spät. 

 

My apologies - there was a misunderstanding on my part.

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Not the battle as such was a myth but the later transfiguration...
...and what happened in the movie "300" - has absolutely nothing to do with the historical sources regarding the number of warriors.

 

[Miauzi]

Vor 21 Minuten sagte caveman74:

Ich wollte Ihnen ein Kompliment für Ihre seitenweiten Posts machen, die Ihre Intelligenz deutlich zeigen, ich bin selbst 63 und nicht so gebildet wie Sie, aber auch keine dumme Person.  

 

thank you - I understood it as such - but it is essentially based on "always staying on the ball".

when I think how diverse and comprehensive good TV documentaries are today - especially in relation to historical weapons and armaments technology

That's really no comparison to the time of my childhood and adolescence - I had also learned a lot there that later turned out to be total bullshit, among other things through the "experimental" archology.

One thing I remembered in particular.

As a kid I had a total fable for knight armor - full plate armor like that.

My parents flew with me to Romania (Transylvania) on summer vacation when I was 10 years old (was something special in the early 1970s)

What I remembered particularly well -> the visit to a castle with a brimming armory

My parents literally had to pull me out of there - I didn't want to leave!

And I was told - that in this armor you were totally immobile.

Yes - it was a consensus among historians at the time - that the knights in their tanks could only move very stiffly

but

no one had actually tested it in practice!!

In the period after 1990, more and more people came into the LARP scene - historical armor began to be faithfully reproduced on a larger scale

and what did you notice

that a wearer can still move well even in armor weighing 30-40 kg - as long as he has sufficient strength and condition.

Experimental archology then made specific attempts - had plate armor built according to historical models and

in addition to untrained everyday people, well-trained all-round athletes are also put into it

and lo and behold - the myth has burst

A knight in full plate armor can even mount his horse.

One must not confuse the battle armor for the field with the special production for tournaments (lance stabbing)!

Some of it is deliberately stiffened so that its wearer can only move to a very limited extent.

that's why it's still exciting to learn something, even today after more than 50 years

Edited February 3, 2023 by Miauzi

[Aldid]

I just imagine that Dibella or one of the less pleasant Daedra have granted special protection to beautiful women, enchanting their revealing armour to be more effective than it has any right to be. Just as a general ploy to encourage more debauchery and nudity.

[DocClox]

It varies.

 

First of all, I usually play as a guy. I stay clothed for the most, the slaves trail after me naked and complaining about the cold. Life is good

 

When I do fancy a run with a girl DB, the backstory usually varies. Sometimes I invent a story about a curse requiring them to go naked. (Equipping a slavecollar in Helgen is good for this approach). Sometimes I'll play as a sorceress who knows that she's likely to be stripped and robbed (among other thigns) if she loses a fight, and so is determined not to rely on weapons and armor to make her way in the world.

 

These days though, I generally play it straight, and find the best, full coverage gear I can. With the mods I run in such cases, there will be skin on display soon enough

[Speed Metal]

31 minutes ago, DocClox said:

First of all, I usually play as a guy. I stay clothed for the most

With the right outfit, wearing less also looks good on the dudes.

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[DocClox]

14 minutes ago, Speed Metal said:

With the right outfit, wearing less also looks good on the dudes.

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I looked high and low for a bare chested male outfit a few years back (2015! Damn, but time flies when you're not looking!) I eventually had to load SAM just to find one

 

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Where did yours come from?

[Speed Metal]

10 minutes ago, DocClox said:

Where did yours come from?

That's Kirax's port of Vindictus' Glasgavelen. No idea if it's still available somewhere.

[DocClox]

23 minutes ago, Speed Metal said:

That's Kirax's port of Vindictus' Glasgavelen. No idea if it's still available somewhere.

 

This one?

[Speed Metal]

31 minutes ago, DocClox said:

This one?

Yeah. Didn't know he also released a female version of it. I've got mine from VectorPlexus when it was still available there.

[Asrienda]

22 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

you know they're showing me artwork of a muscle-bound warrior - sort of a male nude with a little bit of military gear

 

 

The guy on top isn't nude, he's wearing a muscle/heroic cuirass, which were literally pieces of bronze armor designed to look muscled. 

 

That art is actually in the wikipedia article for "muscle cuirass" lol.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Asrienda

[belegost]

8 hours ago, DocClox said:

I looked high and low for a bare chested male outfit a few years back

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/49748

 

Some time ago I made an Amorous Adventures playthrough with an orc casanova (found a suprisingly handsome orc face preset on Nexus. And I do mean handsome, whoever made that preset must've been a genius, because I never suspected  an orc could look like a fucking fashion magazine model) and he was wearing that all the time. Made it easier for his followers to suck him off.

 

Now all my dragonbabes equip it on all their orc followers. Makes it easier to suck them off.

Edited February 3, 2023 by belegost

[DocClox]

Well, he isn't wearing anything on his chest, certainly.

[Redd99]

Of course, when it comes to magic users you can always emulate some modern pagans and use the excuse of your character having to be "sky-clad" to perform ceremonies, cast spells, etc.

[Guest]

For me roleplaying in skimpy armor isn't difficult, primarily since I mod the game to hell and back to make it logically consistent. If everyone is in skimpy armor and clothing (including men), that's just how the fictional world works with body coverings. If Skyrim is suddenly a summer/tropical environment that doesn't actually have snow and is quite warm, wearing less makes sense from a comfort standpoint.

 

I basically just try to emulate Frank Frazetta aesthetics. Everyone walking around 3/4 naked and swinging swords at each other is just par for the course in my Skyrim world.

[Mr. Otaku]

10 hours ago, 4hed said:

For me roleplaying in skimpy armor isn't difficult, primarily since I mod the game to hell and back to make it logically consistent. If everyone is in skimpy armor and clothing (including men), that's just how the fictional world works with body coverings.

 

I was about to type out this exact response but you beat me to it by 10 hours lol.