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Tokyoghoul67

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Grey Cloud

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10 minutes ago, davisev5225 said:

Vortex is inherently broken garbage.

And your evidence for this statement is?  Why is it that every time someone mentions a mod manager other than MO an MO evangelist crawls out from under a stone to make a stupid comment?

I've used Vortex for about 18 months now and while I'm not its biggest fan, it does the job.

 

For what it's worth, my money is on user error or troll.

ReverendFelix

ReverendFelix

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I've been using Wrye Bash since Wrye Mash... I've checked out the competition and found it lacking. But admittedly it is more advanced, and therefore difficult for some people to use. Tried n true???

davisev5225

davisev5225

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8 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

And your evidence for this statement is?  Why is it that every time someone mentions a mod manager other than MO an MO evangelist crawls out from under a stone to make a stupid comment?

I've used Vortex for about 18 months now and while I'm not its biggest fan, it does the job.

 

For what it's worth, my money is on user error or troll.

 

Pre-word: my info is a bit old, so if I'm wrong about something below, please let me know.

 

The "hybrid" system they tried to go for with a partially-virtual file system and partially-real file system is terrible.  Just like NMM, it has a tendency to break installs if something goes wrong, necessitating a wipe-and-reinstall of your game and having to start all over with your mods.  It also doesn't do a good job sorting out the difference between file overrides and load orders, so many people get confused when trying to install mods in the correct order.  MO/MO2 do a much better job, allowing a mod priority (install order) and a separate ESM/ESL/ESP load order.  It also keeps copies of every file from every mod in its own folder and combines them, in the correct order, behind the scenes when you start the game.  No need for databases to track when a file from MOD-A is overwritten by MOD-B...

 

Also, last I checked, Vortex's conflict detection is... non-functional.  See the end of the previous paragraph for a sample reason.

 

MO/MO2's virtual file system is reliable and fast, doesn't corrupt game installs, and the user interface is easy to use and understand.  Vortex only exists because Nexus wants to gather user metrics for their advertisers and they knew NMM was broken, outdated garbage.

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6 hours ago, fishburger67 said:

NMM for the win.  Old and no longer updated, but it is the simplest if you just want to install mods.  You can still get it at the bottom of the page here

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/about/vortex/

 

 

 

I'm running 0.72.3.

0.8+ is garbage. Vortex is also garbage.

DUBALADO

DUBALADO

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Personally, I'm still using NMM, I don't know another mod installer... I know it's not perfect but it works for me. The problem is not only the mod installer, but many mods come together poorly when compressed, and many times users do not check that there are meshes or textures that replace or incorporate corrupt elements. Incompatibilities with other esp are not considered. they have not bothered trying to understand TES5Edit. And possibly most importantly, errors and bugs are checked in, and during a game, starting and ending the entire game... and backups... thousands of backups.

coolfreaky

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just to put oil on the fire !

 

it is possible to mod skyrim by the old fashion like oblivion but with 200 mods or as i see often now with more than 400 mods . You just need to be very very meticulous .

 

as it seems like any Mod Manager is garbage with all your comments than why do you use one ??? ?

 

 

 

 

 

Grey Cloud

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5 hours ago, davisev5225 said:

so if I'm wrong about something below,

Yes you are wrong about several things.

5 hours ago, davisev5225 said:

Just like NMM, it has a tendency to break installs if something goes wrong, necessitating a wipe-and-reinstall of your game and having to start all over with your mods. 

In four years of using NMM and 18 months of Vortex I have never had to reinstall my game because of anything other than PC upgrades.

 

5 hours ago, davisev5225 said:

It also doesn't do a good job sorting out the difference between file overrides and load orders, so many people get confused when trying to install mods in the correct order.

There is a difference between something not doing something well and being "inherently broken garbage".

 

5 hours ago, davisev5225 said:

Also, last I checked, Vortex's conflict detection is... non-functional. 

When last I checked it wasn't non-functional and I am someone who uses more than 12 female NPC replacers, several different terrain replacers and several different this and thats.

 

4 hours ago, zelphador23 said:

Vortex is also garbage.

Which translates as "it was too difficult for me to comprehend".

 

Much of the criticism of Vortex comes from people who used a very early version of the thing and who do not have the wit to see that a. it has developed and improved and b. that even the blessed MO and MO2 , peace be upon them, started out with early versions that were later improved.

 

 

woodsman30

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User error is often the biggest issue

46 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Which translates as "it was too difficult for me to comprehend".

This is the biggest reason I see that people complain about Vortex. How many who complain have read this? https://wiki.nexusmods.com/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions

You guys also relies Vortex and MO was made by the same person right? I run several Skyrim profiles on Vortex my game is heavily modded never had one issue ever. I do not need LOOT I never need to run FNIS it is all done for me. If I do not like a load order for a mod I change it not a big deal. Not understanding a program does not make it garbage that is your short comings not the product.

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I've run NMM for a long time, and I'm sorry Vortex is a trash app. It's not that it's too hard to use, it's simply trash. Sorry if I offended someone, but the old versions of NMM are far better than Vortex. A fancy UI doesn't mean an app is worth while.

Grey Cloud

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4 minutes ago, zelphador23 said:

A fancy UI doesn't mean an app is worth while

Did anyone even mention the UI?

 

How good at managing file conflicts is NMM? The answer is it isn't. With Vortex I can have A overwrites B or change to B overwrites A in a couple of seconds.

 

It is your lack of the ability to produce a cogent argument that is the offence not anything you say about Vortex.

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4 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Did anyone even mention the UI?

 

How good at managing file conflicts is NMM? The answer is it isn't. With Vortex I can have A overwrites B or change to B overwrites A in a couple of seconds.

 

It is your lack of the ability to produce a cogent argument that is the offence not anything you say about Vortex.

 

No it's my lack of caring about it. lol. Vortex throws conflict errors when there are none and then it won't build. It's too strict. I had Melodic armor mods that it was throwing conflict errors on...NMM ran it just fine, and the game plays just fine with them.

 

Also no need to get nasty, we're simply having a disagreement.

 

I brought up the UI simply because they tried to make it fancy...and it's a mod manager...doesn't need to be. NMM was just fine.

Grey Cloud

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4 minutes ago, zelphador23 said:

we're simply having a disagreement.

No you are just talking shit. You have moved your position from your original statement because you cannot back up that statement.

 

6 minutes ago, zelphador23 said:

Vortex throws conflict errors when there are none and then it won't build

I have no idea what you mean by this.

 

6 minutes ago, zelphador23 said:

I had Melodic armor mods

I have Melodic armour mods and have never had any problems with them or any other armour. Just because you have problem does not mean everyone has them because 'Vortex is garbage'.

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4 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

No you are just talking shit. You have moved your position from your original statement because you cannot back up that statement.

 

I have no idea what you mean by this.

 

I have Melodic armour mods and have never had any problems with them or any other armour. Just because you have problem does not mean everyone has them because 'Vortex is garbage'.

 

Ok, fine. you just want an argument, I care this much....

Grey Cloud

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8 minutes ago, zelphador23 said:

Ok, fine. you just want an argument, I care this much....

All I wanted was for you to back up your assertion which you obviously cannot do so now you come up with more drivel to deflect away from this.

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9 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

All I wanted was for you to back up your assertion which you obviously cannot do so now you come up with more drivel to deflect away from this.

 I said that Vortex is too strict with conflicts...how is that not an argument?

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1 minute ago, zelphador23 said:

 I said that Vortex is too strict with conflicts...how is that not an argument?

Your original statement was:

9 hours ago, zelphador23 said:

Vortex is also garbage.

Everything else you posted was just attempts to deflect from your inability to expand upon or support that assertion.

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