Guest Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Your original statement was: Everything else you posted was just attempts to deflect from your inability to expand upon or support that assertion. lol Vortex is garbage.
Grey Cloud Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, zelphador23 said: lol Vortex is garbage. I rest my case.
Guest Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said: I rest my case. lol same. Happy New Year. I think you'd be fun to have beer or two with. Best wishes.
davisev5225 Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 23 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Why is it that every time someone mentions a mod manager other than MO an MO evangelist crawls out from under a stone to make a stupid comment? And here you are being a Vortex evangelist. ? Pot, meet kettle. People have put up legitimate arguments against Vortex, and the best defense I've seen you use is "it doesn't happen to me, so you must be wrong".
donttouchmethere Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: How good at managing file conflicts is NMM? It is as good as the user using it. NMM asks what you want to overwrite, if you ignore that because of no fancy UI, you probaly will struggle to understand it with any other manager.
donttouchmethere Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 33 minutes ago, zelphador23 said: lol same. Happy New Year. I think you'd be fun to have beer or two with. Best wishes. That's what I also always secretly think ?
Grey Cloud Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, davisev5225 said: And here you are being a Vortex evangelist I've already said that I'm not a big fan of Vortex. I have also repeatedly stated that I was asking these clowns who make unsupportable assertions to make an attempt to support them. I never tell anyone to use Vortex. My base position is for people to learn to use their mod manager of choice. 1 hour ago, davisev5225 said: People have put up legitimate arguments against Vortex I have also aid that Vortex not being perfect is different to Vortex being "garbage". 1 hour ago, davisev5225 said: the best defense I've seen you use is "it doesn't happen to me, so you must be wrong". So me saying that I don't have any real problems with Vortex after using it for 18 months does not in any measure refute the assertion that "Vortex is garbage"? @woodsman30 who I know has a complicated and stable game also said that he had no problems with Vortex. Aside from a lack of reading comprehension, what have you got? 1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said: It is as good as the user using it. NMM asks what you want to overwrite, if you ignore that because of no fancy UI, you probaly will struggle to understand it with any other manager. Now, now you know I used NMM and have no beef with it. The point about file overwrites was that with Vortex you can chop and change with a couple of mouse clicks and you can chop and change either the entire mod or individual files of the mods. You can even get Vortex to not load Mod A if Mod B is present.
donttouchmethere Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said: 3 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: Now, now you know I used NMM and have no beef with it. It was a reflex ?
coolfreaky Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 from what i understand NMM or Vortex or MO has some difference of organisation in managing mods they all can break , often because of user mistakes , and the OP that opened the thread just to post a fact and exasperation but not the cause ( how he manage to break it ) . each one of us has preferences and habits as windows and apple OS , as colours as tastes . and in fact saying that a mod manager is better than an other asks that one has tested fully both to compare . but the difficulties of this one is mostly user preferences ( mostly subjective ) ; as they are all in fact doing their role : Mod Managing to ease modding . in fact thinking about that and as most new users opting for Vortex i might install it to be able to provide any help ( maybe ) . and maybe the OP will provide us with some info instead of letting us bickering about MM .
Guest Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 I think everyone should use with what its familiar and what works for it. There should not be a discussion about whats better or what is worst. As far as i am concerned, both are opensource which is great. Both have different concepts which is also great. For myself, i used both but settled for MO2. But that does not mean that Vortex is bad. I just think MO2 works best for me. Can we not get along? The new year just started. ?
fishburger67 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Your original statement was: Everything else you posted was just attempts to deflect from your inability to expand upon or support that assertion.
davisev5225 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: So me saying that I don't have any real problems with Vortex after using it for 18 months does not in any measure refute the assertion that "Vortex is garbage"? No, it doesn't. That's anecdotal. I pointed out real technical issues with it, though I'll freely admit I am not the best at describing things I don't personally use. 4 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Aside from a lack of reading comprehension, what have you got? And now you just lost what little credibility you have by resorting to personal attacks. Good job. ?
Grey Cloud Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 10 hours ago, davisev5225 said: No, it doesn't. That's anecdotal. I pointed out real technical issues with it, though I'll freely admit I am not the best at describing things I don't personally use. And now you just lost what little credibility you have by resorting to personal attacks. Good job. ? I addressed your points in this post. https://www.loverslab.com/topic/182508-just-my-luck/?do=findComment&comment=3627813 Incidentally, you never provided any sources for your 'real technical issues'. You were asserting that Vortex does or Vortex doesn't do that. You were not saying Vortex sometimes does this or Vortex sometimes does that. You never said what you experience of using Vortex was. I have said that in 18 months of using Vortex I have not seen any of the problems you claimed were there. There is also the additional point that if MO can do something which Vortex cannot it does not mean that Vortex 'is inherently garbage'. Anything MO can do or not do is irrelevant to how good Vortex. The thing which confuses me is how St. Tannin of MO, peace be upon him, can produce the wonderful, all-singing, all-dancing MO yet several years later with a lot more experience under his belt turns out the 'inherently garbage' Vortex.
Grey Cloud Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 11 hours ago, fishburger67 said: Apart from showing us that you are a sad fucker who has to rely on memes to say anything was there a point to your post?
fishburger67 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Apart from showing us that you are a sad fucker who has to rely on memes to say anything was there a point to your post? Jeezus, are you stupid as well as insulting? You are a crybaby. You don't like it when people have opinions that differ from you. Instead of offering just your own, you feel the fucking need to denigrate them and before you respond with "show me where", just read your previous posts in this thread with an open mind. Of course, you probably don't have one on those.
Grey Cloud Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 32 minutes ago, fishburger67 said: Jeezus, are you stupid as well as insulting? No. 33 minutes ago, fishburger67 said: You don't like it when people have opinions that differ from you. I do not have a problem with people having different opinions to me. What I do have problems with is people making stupid and childish assertions which they cannot back up. 36 minutes ago, fishburger67 said: Instead of offering just your own, you feel the fucking need to denigrate them So your meme was not an attempt to denigrate me?
davisev5225 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 15 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: The thing which confuses me is how St. Tannin of MO, peace be upon him, can produce the wonderful, all-singing, all-dancing MO yet several years later with a lot more experience under his belt turns out the 'inherently garbage' Vortex. Your snark aside, that's an easy one to answer. He created an excellent product, one which got him recognized professionally by Nexus, and ultimately hired. Problem was, the product was too good, and the licensing terms prohibited Nexus from taking ownership and using it commercially. Tannin also couldn't use his VFS at Nexus for the same reason, so he had to help them code up something else. See, while he was the predominant developer of MO and MO2, he wasn't the only one. Other people contributed code, people who Nexus didn't hire. They weren't/aren't willing to fork over their intellectual property rights to a company that isn't going to pay them. Tannin even went so far as to put out a blog post talking about how his VFS was "a solution in search of a problem" to try and bring users to his new software that he was being paid to develop. I don't really blame him for trying, despite how transparent his motives were/are, but MO2 is technically superior in both core implementation and user experience. Vortex is second-rate in comparison, even if it is newer.
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