Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Frank_BR]

20 hours ago, Igit234 said:

It's like it doesn't detect actors and the enemy is from Demonic Creatures SE.

Same problem here.

I was back on 4.99 version again.

[Nymra]

43 minutes ago, Frank_BR said:

Same problem here.

I was back on 4.99 version again.

I m working on a fix. I think it might be related to how quest stages work. 

[JohnConquest12]

Hey just wondering if it would be safe to have this and Practical Defeat at the same time while having the acheron plugins installed. Also would there be problems if i turn off the essential flag? I have Player Death Aftermath installed too and I basically HAVE to die in order for that mod to work

[Nymra]

12 minutes ago, JohnConquest12 said:

Hey just wondering if it would be safe to have this and Practical Defeat at the same time while having the acheron plugins installed. Also would there be problems if i turn off the essential flag? I have Player Death Aftermath installed too and I basically HAVE to die in order for that mod to work

 

I suggest to make sure that EACH Defeat mod does only one thing. 

For example:
Mod X handles Bleeout (disable Bleedout Defeat in Naked Defeat)

Naked Defeat handles Critical Defeat (OnHit) ---> no other mod should do this to prevent double starts 

Basically I use Naked Defeat myself exclusively with Critical Hit (OnHit) triggers and never enter bleedout and its perfectly fine. 

The Essential Flag is for you to decide. I have no knowlegde of the implications yet but usually other defeat mods need the essential Flag to be on so you need to experiment yourself. 
Naked Defaet needs the Essential Flag ON for its Bleedout Scenario to work, for nothing else. 

I hope that helps. 
also feel free to report back your findings.
 

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, noctred said:

 

I'm not speaking with any kind of authority but there may be a chance P+ can address (or already has addressed) whatever issues you have with vanilla SexLab. It's in active daily development, has been heavily modernized, and the people working on it seem to be open to ensuring compatibility with a variety of mods so long as those mods properly utilize the P+ API. SLAL has also been superseded by SLSB, which may address whatever issues you have with SLAL.

 

I understand you're still on LE but the switch may make it easier for you to accomplish your goals with this mod.

 

I m just not a big fan of a major framework like Sexlab not beeing developed with Backwards compatibility in mind. I think thats just bad for the modding scene. 
It also just creates more work for me and kind of forces me to adapt, which is not a good thing, no matter what the benefits are. 

On the other hand: I have a theory on why SexlabP+ does not work well with Naked Defeat, but researching that is hard without a SE install, which then circles back to...: SexlabP+ should have 100% backwards compatibility. 

[bevo67]

Hi Nymra - i'm really enjoy 5.0 and especially the Acheron bridge.

 

Q: the new ND ver triggers a defeat when I use "combat feeding" as a vampire. Combat feeding is an animation/attack that is player triggered during combat - when an enemy is staggered (usually by a shield bash) the vampire can get a quick bite in that reduces enemy stamina and replenishes vampire health. I think ND thinks its a defeat scenario since combat ends for a moment as the vampire feeding animation plays. I know you can't account for every possible mod out there but I'm wondering if you know a setting in ND that can be used as a workaround.

 

I'm thinking I could reduce ND's defeat probability (ie - enemy wants to plays with you more) and just role play that using combat feed has a small possibility to cause defeat?

 

 

Thanks!

Edited February 2, 2025 by bevo67

[JohnConquest12]

1 minute ago, Nymra said:

 

I suggest to make sure that EACH Defeat mod does only one thing. 

For example:
Mod X handles Bleeout (disable Bleedout Defeat in Naked Defeat)

Naked Defeat handles Critical Defeat (OnHit) ---> no other mod should do this to prevent double starts 

Basically I use Naked Defeat myself exclusively with Critical Hit (OnHit) triggers and never enter bleedout and its perfectly fine. 

The Essential Flag is for you to decide. I have no knowlegde of the implications yet but usually other defeat mods need the essential Flag to be on so you need to experiment yourself. 
Naked Defaet needs the Essential Flag ON for its Bleedout Scenario to work, for nothing else. 

I hope that helps. 
also feel free to report back your findings.
 

Ok, so I basically just disabled the stagger and bleedout stuff and made it only where it will only start if I surrender just so there are no problems between the two. Each of the mods comes with their own surrender key so I just mapped them differently(K for ND, L for PD). Seems like both mods work fine so far with this method. I haven't tried it with Player Death Aftermath yet, but you think it'll be a problem since this mod comes with its own post death outcomes?

[Cheryl Oh]

Since installing the latest version, when I have sex with nonhumans, the nonhumans do not move during sex, even though I am.

[Nymra]

6 minutes ago, JohnConquest12 said:

Ok, so I basically just disabled the stagger and bleedout stuff and made it only where it will only start if I surrender just so there are no problems between the two. Each of the mods comes with their own surrender key so I just mapped them differently(K for ND, L for PD). Seems like both mods work fine so far with this method. I haven't tried it with Player Death Aftermath yet, but you think it'll be a problem since this mod comes with its own post death outcomes?

 

The Stagger (OnHit Defeat) you use for a different mod? Just curious.
Death Aftermath I think triggers only on Bleedout so...

Its this:
1. OnBleedout
2. OnHit
3. OnHotkey 

if you prevent mods from triggering on the same of these 3 you are fine (and yes, two different Hotkeys also work)
If there are other Defeat mods in active development on Skyrim SE I will also try making patches after communicating with the mod author. But only when I have an SE install. 

 

[Nymra]

4 minutes ago, Cheryl Oh said:

Since installing the latest version, when I have sex with nonhumans, the nonhumans do not move during sex, even though I am.

 

Papyrus.0.log?

Also might be another SexlabP+ issue. Or a wrong install. Did u try the animations outside of Naked Defeat? 

[Cheryl Oh]

I don't run SexlabP+ and yes, it happens both within and without of Naked Defeat.

[Nymra]

24 minutes ago, bevo67 said:

Hi Nymra - i'm really enjoy 5.0 and especially the Acheron bridge.

 

Q: the new ND ver triggers a defeat when I use "combat feeding" as a vampire. Combat feeding is an animation/attack that is player triggered during combat - when an enemy is staggered (usually by a shield bash) the vampire can get a quick bite in that reduces enemy stamina and replenishes vampire health. I think ND thinks its a defeat scenario since combat ends for a moment as the vampire feeding animation plays. I know you can't account for every possible mod out there but I'm wondering if you know a setting in ND that can be used as a workaround.

 

I'm thinking I could reduce ND's defeat probability (ie - enemy wants to plays with you more) and just role play that using combat feed has a small possibility to cause defeat?

 

 

Thanks!

 

I m not sure if I can follow. 

Naked Defeat triggers when YOU attack an NPC? 
There is no possible variant of Naked Defeat that I can think of that triggers this...

What you could do to help me check:
- get into combat and trigger this scenario, ideally only once. let it play out and wait for a time after it, (10-20 seconds after the animation is finished) and get away from the enemies (try not to be defeate "regularly") and then send me a papyurs0.log

I noticed Skyrim NPC get passive when the PC is in an animation, so I think this is not a Naked Defeat problem (I have that problem with animations triggered by Sexlab Disparity for exmaple). 

[Nymra]

2 minutes ago, Cheryl Oh said:

I don't run SexlabP+ and yes, it happens both within and without of Naked Defeat.

then it is not a Naked Defeat issue but somehting is wrong with your Creature installation. I cannot help you with that here, sorry. 

[noctred]

11 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

I m just not a big fan of a major framework like Sexlab not beeing developed with Backwards compatibility in mind. I think thats just bad for the modding scene. 
It also just creates more work for me and kind of forces me to adapt, which is not a good thing, no matter what the benefits are. 

On the other hand: I have a theory on why SexlabP+ does not work well with Naked Defeat, but researching that is hard without a SE install, which then circles back to...: SexlabP+ should have 100% backwards compatibility. 

 

Yeah no pressure.

 

For what it's worth, in my load order ND 5.00 seems to work fine with P+ in 99% of cases as of the latest Discord P+ release (2.13.4). Prior to that, I had the same experience with ND 4.99 and P+ 2.13.3. The only issues I've seen lately were with the bukkake scenario while tied up (it always fails to fire) and the freecam character floating problem which is fixed by ND's VR/P+ toggle. That said, I know others are having more significant issues between the two so I'm not sure where the breakdown is.

 

Regardless, do what you feel is best. This is the best defeat mod on LL imo :]

[Corsain]

I don't know if this was asked directly but I saw a post in here that said you can now change the aggressor to only be females. But loading in the new update and patch I don't see that option in the MCM. is it already in the mod and i just missed it?

 

[crajjjj]

8 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

I added a drop down menue with 6 different wiggle difficulty sets. Did you try them? Plus difficulty can be set for normal defeat and slavery seperatly. 

 

 

 

From Naked Defeats side there should be always a "Get Up From Bleedout" even when no actors are found. But I still need to receive the event. 

does this happen alot? YOu could also try Debug Wheel Unstuck Player. 

 

 

Seems like an mcm glitch. After game restart I can choose options now. 

 

I will test more with logs enabled to see if bleedout stuckness is common.

So far I got this with vampires and with rieklings. Bandits and giants are ok with my limited testing attempts. 

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, Corsain said:

I don't know if this was asked directly but I saw a post in here that said you can now change the aggressor to only be females. But loading in the new update and patch I don't see that option in the MCM. is it already in the mod and i just missed it?

 

MCM Page 2 -  Defeat & Sex Options. 
Should work as desired. Report back if it doesent. 

[Talesien]

Disabling Argonian and Khajits under creature types appears not to work anymore (at least for Khajits). There were other potential rapers in range too.

[bevo67]

4 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

I m not sure if I can follow. 

Naked Defeat triggers when YOU attack an NPC? 
There is no possible variant of Naked Defeat that I can think of that triggers this...

What you could do to help me check:
- get into combat and trigger this scenario, ideally only once. let it play out and wait for a time after it, (10-20 seconds after the animation is finished) and get away from the enemies (try not to be defeate "regularly") and then send me a papyurs0.log

I noticed Skyrim NPC get passive when the PC is in an animation, so I think this is not a Naked Defeat problem (I have that problem with animations triggered by Sexlab Disparity for exmaple). 

Yes - Naked Defeat triggers when I attack. After staggering and then successfully biting the enemy for his/her blood (I'm a vampire you see).. after the bite animation ends, ND goes into the defeat scenario. I will take a video of this.

Edited February 3, 2025 by bevo67

[Nymra]

34 minutes ago, bevo67 said:

Yes - Naked Defeat triggers when I attack. After staggering and then successfully biting the enemy for his/her blood (I'm a vampire you see).. after the bite animation ends, ND goes into the defeat scenario. I will take a video of this.

 

a papyrus.0.log is the most important thing here. a video helps, but I cannot do anything without a log.

[Nymra]

I heard somewhere that Humans in SexlabP+ now also have a Racekey, has someone more info on that?
I need the String name of that racekey and I could add a check for that. Might be one of the things that could increase compatibility with SLP+, thx

[Nymra]

Naked Defeat 5.01 Hotfix

INSTALLATION:
Requires 5.00 FULL
Overwrite all (contains only 2 scripts)
No FNIS or other update routine required. 

FIXES: 

- fixed non-critical display bug "DID NOT WORK" 
- fixed some beast races not beeing sorted out when forbidden. thx @Talesien

 

IMPROVED:
Enemies that hit the player in combat are no longer scanned for distance. 
This should reduce the "No Enemies nearby" message for ppl with low search radius. 
This was meant to be in 5.00 I just forgot to add one line of code.

 

Naked Defeat 5-01 - Hotfix.7z

Edited February 3, 2025 by Nymra

[Corsain]

5 hours ago, Nymra said:

MCM Page 2 -  Defeat & Sex Options. 
Should work as desired. Report back if it doesent. 

I only see the option to "allow female enemies for sex", which as I remember still allowed males to be aggressors. Either way, I'm still enjoying the mod :).

 

[bevo67]

4 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

a papyrus.0.log is the most important thing here. a video helps, but I cannot do anything without a log.

Um.. so.. well... I can't reproduce. Trust me, I didn't send off my earlier msg without making sure it happened more than once. I'll keep an eye out but for now consider this closed. Sorry!

[Nymra]

8 hours ago, Corsain said:

I only see the option to "allow female enemies for sex", which as I remember still allowed males to be aggressors. Either way, I'm still enjoying the mod :).

 

 

Ah, I see. Yeah, I think I wanted to add a toggle to turn Male Aggressors OFF but never got around doing it. 
It put it on the list for the next update since it is a bit more work to do it.