Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Nymra]

8 hours ago, Zaflis said:

DDE is commonly known as DD-Equip.

 

Also what we were probably expecting from DD integration the most is single random devices added now and then, that are kept after and in the scenes. As far as i know the only reason to use DDE is to equip whole premade sets. That's not what we're after right? DD framework itself has functions to equip devices on player, especially DD 5.2 that everyone uses (even on LE).

 

many confuse it with DD"eXpansion" , thats why. Even I was very confused at the beginning (and in parts still are :D)

Naked Defeat was never meant to be another DD mod, in the contrary. 
But if I can satisfy the need of random DD slapping on Player I will gladly try my best
I prefer the outfits that are predesigned because I like a coherent style that is not easily achieved with randomness. 

The only reason why I use DDe as soft dependency is, because I can "command" DD-Devices with it via ModEvents. 

DD Framework itself is just intrusive, restrictive not only in the gameplay but also into other mods. I will not tolerate that a mod can fuck my mod up and the only solution is making DD framework a hard dependency,no, wont happen. 
If DD has global function or modevents in DD5.0 I will applaud, say thank you kindly and work with them (so in case I missed that, please enlighten me). 

Also, I dont care so much for adding devices but removing them reliably so my mod can work. 

because as previously mentioned, DD-Devices break my carefully selected idles, sex scenes, scenarios and furnitures. 
the irony in all that is, that even ZAP Devices (from ZAP Framework) make it impossible to completely disable player controls while in ZAP Furniture... I had to copy the ZAP items into Naked Defeat to make them work... (at least visually... I run the fitting poses via script). 
Long term I want to get rid of ZAP Framework too if that is possible in any realistic way or form. 

TLDR: DDFramework will never be a hard depenceny of Naked Defeat and still I try to make DDs "manageable" with Naked Defeat. 

 

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, SHIIIZA117 said:

did you test it?  is it worth it to change to ND

 

  

21 hours ago, ZenoSamaZ said:

Hi there, is anyone knows if nd is now compatible with baka defeat ? I like baka defeat but I have to admit ND seems to be a good mod (I've never tested btw....)

 

 

 

SL Defeat (which Bakas is very similar) offers NPC vs NPC rape, PC rapes NPC and NPC rapes PC (at least that is my last info). 
Naked Defeat centers solely on NPC rapes PC , asuming the PC is the passive (not necessarily submissive) part that us defeated, raped, whipped and bound. 
In that regard, Naked Defeat has like 50 times more variety and features to offer than any other defeat mod that I know of 🙂

 

 

Edited September 11, 2024 by Nymra

[krzp]

1 minute ago, Nymra said:

If DD has global function or modevents in DD5.0 I will applaud, say thank you kindly and work with them (so in case I missed that, please enlighten me). 

If you've got it's sources, check DDI_EquipDevice, DDI_RemoveDevice, DDI_CreateRestraintsKey in zadBQ00

[Nymra]

13 hours ago, jbezorg said:

I think it's Skyrim just being Skyrim. 

As an alternative. Placing the player in a deferred kill state might be an option. The player will still go into bleedout but cannot die until EndDeferredKill is called and  if some mod does call it you'll immediately know.

https://ck.uesp.net/wiki/StartDeferredKill_-_Actor

 

before I started naked defeat I wanted to build a bridge mod that basically does something similar. 
I think acheron had a similar idea in mind, hmm. 
 

Will investigate this, thx for pointing it out. 

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, Zaflis said:

DD-Contraptions would also solve that as it will do all that automatically as far as i am aware. Each furniture can define its own rules about worn devices too, considering the variety of furnitures is only limited by imagination. I can understand supporting ZAP still may be trickier.

 

It is a DD mod and I dont like DD gameplay and design philosophy. 
I will still make its animations and furnitures appear in Naked Defeat as a soft dependency. 

I basically do something similar tho, just with another design and gameplay philosophy in mind. 

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, krzp said:

If you've got it's sources, check DDI_EquipDevice, DDI_RemoveDevice, DDI_CreateRestraintsKey in zadBQ00

 

nice!
that indeed somehow slipped my search in DD scripts (while that is maybe as old as DD 5 or so). 

The only thing that bugs me is, that it seems I can only call for a very generic device type I can not be very specific about it. 

 

But it seems that this way I can add a basic DD support that allows DD Removal without DDe/SUM requirement and also the Random "SlapMeInBonDDage" part at the end.

 

thx for the update


EDIT: while reading the function in detail, there seems to be a certain kind of specification possible. 
If this works the way I think it does, it might be possible to even save some predefined outfits in an external JSON, so that in theory this should make DDe superfluous already. 
will investigate further and upload a BeDDA here for curious ppl as soon as its ready... 

 

Edited September 11, 2024 by Nymra

[Nymra]

5 hours ago, Talesien said:

I'm pretty sure that's kinda the opposite of what he wants. The struggle part is prolly mostly aimed at his modding experience with DD anyway. ^^
Also, tastes differ it seems, if DD can be a PITA, adding unforgiving devices makes it a major PITA almost all the time (which admittedly is kinda the point of the mod).

Personally, I would prefer DD to work a bit more like Toys. Like, if you got a key, it opens the device, period. No fuss, no hour long animation, no crappy RNG that makes you break 5 keys in a row...

 

sounds like Naked Struggle would be the perfect mod for you, haha. 

funny enough, with the ModEvents that are now part of DD5 I can even integrate a basic version of this into naked defeat.

 

Hotkey pressing (or most likely chosing it from my upcoming wheel menu) will then start a struggle scene suitable to the "heavy bonDDage" type and remove the heavy bonDDage at the end of it (animation length adjustable via MCM). 
Keys in inventory, knifes but also picklock skill and cumsoakedness will shorten the time required until removal (or increase success rate, since I will not fail to add the failchance for the real MaDDochists

If you let the animation run, the character will continue removing devives (heavy bondage first, then blindfold, then gag, then all the rest) until you press the hotkey again or are out of devices, kind of reversal of my "animated equip" sequence from the latest patches. 
 

[Guest]

Just a small comment for users of Precision.  Precision improves the collision area around objects including the player.  I know this is a rather simple description but wanted to relate it to ND.  When you have Precision set up and you are whipped in furniture/devices, the whipping causes the player to recoil on each strike.  Actually see the body react heavily to the whipping.  Unbelievably realistic how accurate it is. Watching my body and hair react on each hit is very immersive.   Like a movie type punch in the face movement.  Simply wonderful. 

 

Issue to be aware of with Precision and the whipping.  The whipping can actually knock you loose from the furniture.  Not off, just loose.  Hands and feet are normally what you see that are out of alignement with the device.  If this happens, once you are free, your movement can be bugged and will require a save and reload.  Arms and legs won't work right and can even collide through the floor (rare).  Even when you stand up, you can't walk, only float along with that constant collision sound as your feet drag along the floor.

 

As I've not played without both of these mods active, I cannot say if users without Precision see any player impact from whipping.  I simply love it and will keep both.

 

I am aware there are mods on LL that make patches for Precision to stop it for certain mods or you can use the Precision MCM to stop the collision during an event.  

 

For me and this is an opinion, a save and reload is a small price to pay for the realism this provides during the whipping scenes.

 

Took me till yesterday to figure out what caused this and my roommate never did find this out.  I include this for you guys that know how to make patches and want to prevent this from happening.  It appears it is possible but you give up the realism.    

 

Of course, I could be completely wrong and it's my grass mod  or my new outfit mod that causes it.  Forgive the inaccurate information if that is the case and blame it on hormones.  I think that is what men do most of the time anyway. Or is that what we say?  Just teasing.  

 

The game will fix it on it's own on occasion.  An additional round of r.pe will fix it or other event.  Generally if whipping is the last activity before you escape, you have a chance to encounter the bug.  Later

[ZenoSamaZ]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

 

  

 

 

SL Defeat (which Bakas is very similar) offers NPC vs NPC rape, PC rapes NPC and NPC rapes PC (at least that is my last info). 
Naked Defeat centers solely on NPC rapes PC , asuming the PC is the passive (not necessarily submissive) part that us defeated, raped, whipped and bound. 
In that regard, Naked Defeat has like 50 times more variety and features to offer than any other defeat mod that I know of 🙂

 

 

thank you for all of your answers

[jbezorg]

So, player is cowering in the bush after being defeated by spiders and nothing is happening. Is ND waiting for the spiders to path to the player? Is there a time limit for this wait?

[Guest]

For me, going down on all fours and being prompted to find a spot is the signal for defeat to proceed.  After you find a spot, hit the hotkey "K" and the defeat should proceed.

 

I'm sure you knew that.  If you are stuck in the defeated pose, tried the console key to speed it up and if still in the defeated pose, post your papyrus log.  Nymra should be able to diagnose.  If this was me, I would try the hotkey commands to end the defeat segment.  You could reload that save or keep going.  When this happens early in game for me, I follow this procedure and then let myself get defeated to test the process.  Resaver may show you if you have an unattached script as well.  Something else was going on and didn't finish.

 

Hope this helps....

 

Edit again:  I didn't really answer your question.  Depending on your mod list and script load, it should only take seconds after you go into the defeat pose.  After around 5 seconds, hit the console key.  It may take 3-5 seconds holding the console key and it should proceed.  This happens to me if I am in a crowded location with many NPC's or creatures.  Just more to process but that's my mod list.  SE 1.6.640

 

Edited September 11, 2024 by TFor2

[Guest]

Interesting defeat sequence.  Was defeated and went into bleedout.  Just a few seconds later the defeat process started again as if it was another defeat event or starting bleedout from a defeat event.  Suddently I was stuck.  No controls and that weird sound in the background. I had entered bleedout again while in a defeated state in a poisoness gas area and I believe that is the second defeat.  I ended a defeat process with the hotkeys and then one of the defeat processes proceeded normally after that.  Never happened before.  Poisoness gas area from a mod added dungeon and they kill quickly.  In case you want to see the log, I attached it.   If you ever see a problem with the log in general while looking at ND, I would appreciate you sharing it with me.  Thank you.

Papyrus.0.log

Edited September 12, 2024 by TFor2

[Alttofire]

On 9/9/2024 at 9:32 AM, Nymra said:

 

Skyrim version is irrelevant.

only thing to consider when installing Naked Defeat: BACKUP YOUR SAVEGAME.

If you happen to dislike the mod it can corrupt your saves when on SE or later skyrim version. 
you could still just disable it completely and it will just lurk in your folder doing nothing. DO NOT UNTICK or REMOVE the ESP on an important save.

 

 

 

body as you like.

hairdos are nice because Naked Defeat can use your favourite hairdos to apply them during Defeat or you can randomly change them. 

 

 

depending on your body. 

they are from Amazing World of Bikini armor, so if you have that already you dont need anything else from my mod.

 

 

its all written down....

 

you need 4.80 FULL, 4.81 Patch and then the latest Patch Hotfix you find a bit further up in this thread (4.95.4)

 

 

its the other way round, its highly recommended to use these packs both and even more. I use animations from all SLAL packs that exist in this mod.

Billyy, Anubs, FunnyBiz, Milky, Psyche, etc. etc. worth it to get all of them. 

Thanks you for answering my questions and thank you @TFor2 and @kantoboii for the helpful advice as well. I just need to write down a list of all the mods I need/want and I'll get started on getting everything downloading through Mo2 and hope my computer doesn't explode.

[Guest]

Modded Skyrim.  It's pretty but it's nothing without sexy time mods.

[Nymra]

6 hours ago, jbezorg said:

So, player is cowering in the bush after being defeated by spiders and nothing is happening. Is ND waiting for the spiders to path to the player? Is there a time limit for this wait?

 

no and no. 
need papyrus.log. 
try open and close console
enable "Lag Fix" in MCM/System 

 

Edited September 12, 2024 by Nymra

[BigOnes69]

2 hours ago, TFor2 said:

Modded Skyrim.  It's pretty but it's nothing without sexy time mods.

 

I had a bunch of the make skyrim pretty mods but I am at my mod limit for my machine at 420 mods so every time I get a new sex mod I have to prune one of the pretty mods that takes a slot. If I go above the 420 mods MCMs will go erratic or half show up on some of them. If any one knows of an all in one pretty mod that takes up few slots please post.

[Nymra]

16 minutes ago, BigOnes69 said:

I had a bunch of the make skyrim pretty mods but I am at my mod limit for my machine at 420 mods so every time I get a new sex mod I have to prune one of the pretty mods that takes a slot. If I go above the 420 mods MCMs will go erratic or half show up on some of them. If any one knows of an all in one pretty mod that takes up few slots please post.

 

my problem with pretty mods is, that they often do not respect skyrims roads, paths and other stuff... trees and gras just randomly standing on roads and pathways is as immersion breaking as the whole mod is beautiful

 

[Guest]

@Nymra@BigOnes69 I spoke with my roommate how she built this game so it would like like this.  There are no odd trees, roads, floating grass, etc.  Everything parallaxed, ENB, Lux lighting, thick tall grass, with dense unique forests, and Dyndolod so trees and grass visible to the horizon.  And simply beautiful.  9 months of work and over 2000 mods.  She doesn't agree but I think she enjoyed the modding challenge as much as the gameplay.  Would I do it on my own? Probably not.  This modlist requires a beast of a computer and I prefer the game play anyway.  How she started may be what I would do.  Improve all the textures in game - Skyking's retextures and his recommendations for example- 1 or 2 mods.  That modlist I linked earlier has an LE version somewhere or you can use the latest AE version if appropriate.  Explains how to take the baby steps to improving the looks of the game.  Maybe replace the trees and the grass with an FPS friendly replacer.   Should be enough.  Everything gets a fresh coat of paint but nothing is replaced so no conflicts.  Some or most of the retextures do not have an esp if you are on LE and the plugin limit is a concern.  Just a reminder but the screenshot is an SE build.  1700 plugins or around there.  

 

I know this forum is for ND and discussion of that fantastic mod.  I was just so happy last night so I posted the screenshot.  I almost posted a screeny of my PC.  Stripped nude, whipmarks, bruises, full tummy of the creamy white stuff and loving it.  10 defeats in a single dungeon playthrough.  It was a mod added dungeon with max difficulty rating and very large.  All Falmer or Dwemer.  I really get into the flying falmer bugs during a defeat.  👌 Had to sleep in the middle of the dungeon it was so large.  I didnt know it was level 25+ recommended.  Didn't even realize it was mod added at first.  But it was so much fun.  (one of Hammet's dungeons)

 

We all have our priorities for this wonderful game.  For me it's sexy time #1, beautiful world #2, my PC with long flowing hair and sexy body of course, tall grass that would tickle my (you know) as I walk #3, and new faces on all the NPCs.  There is more but I won't play without these.  If ND didn't exist, I actually do not think I would play.  I really mean that.  I tested without ND active once.  Disabled it and tried to see what it was like mentally to not have a safeguard.  I literally pee'd my panties I was so scared.  Two fights and the experiment was over.

 

Forgot to offer, I used to have many XMPSE related crashes or they would spam my papyrus log dragging the game down.  I have the new setup with a somewhat recent update to XMPSE - a light version T loaded for me.  No crashes since and no papyrus spam that I can see related to XPMSE.  If anyone is interesed.  

Edited September 12, 2024 by TFor2
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[Guest]

7 hours ago, BigOnes69 said:

I had a bunch of the make skyrim pretty mods but I am at my mod limit for my machine at 420 mods so every time I get a new sex mod I have to prune one of the pretty mods that takes a slot. If I go above the 420 mods MCMs will go erratic or half show up on some of them. If any one knows of an all in one pretty mod that takes up few slots please post.

For SE, perhaps Skyland All in One. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/34179 

 

or his latest https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/107256

 

* I also have missing MCMs at the start of a game.  Modlist or something, who knows.  There is a console command I use after I create my character.  I let the MCM's load after the character build and when finished, save and exit Skyrim.  Reload the game and some will activate but  I don't trust they all do.  Have over 100 mcms.   I then enter this in the console  (without quotation marks)  "setstage ski_configmanagerinstance 1"

 

This command prompts all the mcms to activate.  Works for me every time.  

 

Edited September 12, 2024 by TFor2
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[Talesien]

11 hours ago, BigOnes69 said:

I had a bunch of the make skyrim pretty mods but I am at my mod limit for my machine at 420 mods so every time I get a new sex mod I have to prune one of the pretty mods that takes a slot. If I go above the 420 mods MCMs will go erratic or half show up on some of them. If any one knows of an all in one pretty mod that takes up few slots please post.

Did you try: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/67556?

SkyUI has a limit of 127 MCM slots, if you go over that it becomes kinda random which ones show up and which ones don't. So that might be part of your problem. At just about 420 mods though, that would have to be an awful lot of mods with an MCM. My LO is well over 2k mods and I'm around 160 MCM's.

 

Edited September 12, 2024 by Talesien

[Nymra]

almost got the Naked Loot feature ready for leaving the BETA....

last step is importing all saved outfits and weapons to a new save and that is almost done....

 

biggest junk of work ahead is writing a documentaion for the Loot System, lol

sigh

btw:

anybody uses something else than:

 

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 ---> equip Weapon
alt + 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 ----> equip Outfit

I set this as an option for Naked Defeat to use these hotkeys for saved weapons and outfits for ease of use (and I can drop AH Hotkeys and free a slot!) 

customizing the keys would be possible but hell of a headache. 
and if ppl want their own hotkeys there are mods like AH Hotkeys available, right?
 

[Talesien]

15 minutes ago, Nymra said:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 ---> equip Weapon
alt + 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 ----> equip Outfit

I'm using 1,2,3,4,5,6 for ... entirely different things (varies depending on the type of char) and sure wouldn't like for ND to block those keys with its stuff. Not sure I'm going to use that feature anyway, so if it does not interfere as long as the feature is disabled, that might be enough. Would be nice to have both sets on modifier keys though (i.e. STRG+ for weapons and ALT+for outfits). AH Hotkeys never worked well for me and judging from the mods support thread I'm not alone with that. Mod hasn't been upated in 4 years, so maybe the changes in more recent SE versions have something to do with it, although I doubt it, it has no DLL or anything that should be affected.

Edited September 12, 2024 by Talesien

[Nymra]

11 minutes ago, Talesien said:

I'm using 1,2,3,4,5,6 for ... entirely different things (varies depending on the type of char) and sure wouldn't like for ND to block those keys with its stuff. Not sure I'm going to use that feature anyway, so if it does not interfere as long as the feature is disabled, that might be enough. Would be nice to have both sets on modifier keys though (i.e. STRG+ for weapons and ALT+for outfits). AH Hotkeys never worked well for me and judging from the mods support thread I'm not alone with that. Mod hasn't been upated in 4 years, so maybe the changes in more recent SE versions have something to do with it, although I doubt it, it has no DLL or anything that should be affected.

 

hmm, never had issues with AH hotkeys, but I dont like those overcomplex MCMs.... 

They hotkeys will have an extra toggle, you will be able to use them with or without Naked Loot and they will unregister when toggled off.  
if I find time I might really make extra options for how to combine alt / ctrl with it, but that is future updates. 

 

currently Naked Loot is based around the idea of having your armor destroyed in combat all the time (or robbed by very powerful enemies), so you require a new set constantly. 
with only drop or unequip the Naked Loot feature is more or less meaningless. 
Its basically meant for a more combat oriented "SL survival" like playstyle. 

EDIT: other than that its just an easy way for me to transfer my outfits to a new game quickly... they are ragtag between many different ESPs so reassembling all 10 of them each time was very time consuming
 

Edited September 12, 2024 by Nymra

[serph90]

just wanted to say that I'm having a blast with this mod, bandits landing a lucky hit on my squishy char is finally something that doesn't get me mad

[Nymra]

53 minutes ago, theprof90 said:

just wanted to say that I'm having a blast with this mod, bandits landing a lucky hit on my squishy char is finally something that doesn't get me mad

 

hehe, thank you alot
alyways glad to hear ppl have fun with this.

 

I build the OnHit feature for myself to be more careful in combat even when at full health. every hit can be.... degrading