Diary Of Mine for Paradise Halls

[TrollAutokill]

45 minutes ago, Amazonian Ara said:

Between HSH and DoM which is handling the training?  Over in the HSH support they said that DoM handles it when you have both installed.

In the case of DoM+HSH, HSH handles everything but the calculation of the amount of training. But DoM should be installed after HSH and you should make sure the HSH patch box is ticked.

Edited April 12, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[TrollAutokill]

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Not sure what you mean here.  Are you saying some slaves have zero chance to fall in love?  Why would that be?

 

I am saying the training effect on loyal and inlove was a yes/no function above 90.

 

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

We really don't need that on a slave's "permanent record" though.  If there were a way for that to expire after a certain amount of elapsed time, it could be good, but my understanding is that you can't do that.  As it is right now, that just persists on the info pane forever, even if you haven't punished her for months.  Aside from making a mockery of the word "already" at that point, it's just not helpful—it's really weird seeing "You already punished me for running away," on a slave that tried to run away six months ago or whatever. 

Maybe when I finish the promise things it could be changed like that.

 

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

 

When you're training a slave, it's not hard to remember what you just punished her for, and when you haven't punished her in too long to remember, then you don't really need to know anymore.  There's a lot of important information on that pane, and having information of marginal value mixed in just degrades the signal:noise ratio.

 

I don't think that's necessary.  DoM is already stretching my ability to find good places for more hotkeys.  Again, sometimes less is more.  Subtractive design is an important tool.

The second page of slave status will be available as a separate hotkey or shift-same key.

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

 

Something is broken then.  Because that isn't happening.

  

It's not, though.  She might go from Shocked→Sad or Terrified→Okay or any of the mood changes that would happen with a successful comfort.

That's just because she got annoyed and that triggered a mood change, not necessarily angry.

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

 

It's not just one line.  It can be "Huh?" or "Stop, Mistress!  You're pushing me!" (Well, the comma is missing. ? ) for sure—I just checked—but I guess "Huh?" is vanilla?  

Yes, those default lines are annoying. Some are Skyrim and we have tyo live with them, but some are PAHE and could be removed from the plugin (it's in the personality quests, misc tab).

 

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Can not_respectful be made a minor reason or whatever, like posture_correction, so that it won't overwrite other reasons?  If it's going to be able to trigger from praising, then it creates a gameplay problem for it to overwrite other reasons, because it's "good practise" to always praise before scolding when a slave has reasons of both types since scolding often triggers a good_slave response.

It should be now, in next version, if LL would allow the upload...

 

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

 

Not sure how "age" is determined, but her voice type is FemaleNord.

We have only 2 ages, the old age is determined by the key word "Elder" in the race name and usually the voice goes with it.

 

 

[TrollAutokill]

5 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Not sure what you mean here.  Are you saying some slaves have zero chance to fall in love?  Why would that be?

  

We really don't need that on a slave's "permanent record" though.  If there were a way for that to expire after a certain amount of elapsed time, it could be good, but my understanding is that you can't do that.  As it is right now, that just persists on the info pane forever, even if you haven't punished her for months.  Aside from making a mockery of the word "already" at that point, it's just not helpful—it's really weird seeing "You already punished me for running away," on a slave that tried to run away six months ago or whatever. 

 

When you're training a slave, it's not hard to remember what you just punished her for, and when you haven't punished her in too long to remember, then you don't really need to know anymore.  There's a lot of important information on that pane, and having information of marginal value mixed in just degrades the signal:noise ratio.

 

I don't think that's necessary.  DoM is already stretching my ability to find good places for more hotkeys.  Again, sometimes less is more.  Subtractive design is an important tool.

 

Something is broken then.  Because that isn't happening.

  

It's not, though.  She might go from Shocked→Sad or Terrified→Okay or any of the mood changes that would happen with a successful comfort.

 

It's not just one line.  It can be "Huh?" or "Stop, Mistress!  You're pushing me!" (Well, the comma is missing. ? ) for sure—I just checked—but I guess "Huh?" is vanilla?  

 

Can not_respectful be made a minor reason or whatever, like posture_correction, so that it won't overwrite other reasons?  If it's going to be able to trigger from praising, then it creates a gameplay problem for it to overwrite other reasons, because it's "good practise" to always praise before scolding when a slave has reasons of both types since scolding often triggers a good_slave response.

 

Not sure how "age" is determined, but her voice type is FemaleNord.

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I feel like, in the past, I'd have been able to get twice as much money for her.  I've noticed it with a few slaves lately, but I haven't been selling a lot of slaves since updating since I haven't gone deep in a playthrough since 2.5.5.

I will check, but the maximum value should be around 10 000. Try to train her to 100 to see. If she is a vampire then that's a different story, they have a 70% decrease value. What's her race?

 

5 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Maybe playing the "wrong" animation should be a training thing instead of a personality thing, and you can punish for doing the wrong thing?  Even a crazy stupid slave should have learnt to serve drinks by 100 training.  Personality might could change the training level needed to get it right, but having slaves that don't play the animation you want at max training would be annoying.

Nah, I like a few silly slaves... I will think about something later. But it could be a reason to punish well trained slaves acting silly or trying to be funny. The owner could even choose to praise them for that, adding a bit of variety to 100% slaves.

 

5 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

 

There are definitely better options.  I don't know about GSPoses yet, but:

• You could use some of the TDF dances here.  I've made a standalone installer and received permission to redistribute it.  You can stick it on the download page or even include the animations in the DiaryOfMine.esp directly if you want—just acknowledge their coming from TDF Prostitution.  
  • Some of them have some weird deformations, clipping, etc., but some of them are really excellent sexy dances.  In particular, I recommend: Cyber Thunder Cider; Kiss Me; Megu Megu Fire, and/or Sweet Devil.
• TDF dances are pretty active though—lots of motion, and they cover a bit larger area.  There are also some serviceable dances in ZAP.
  • ZazSexyDance_Loop would be a great fit.  There are a few dances in ZAP; look for formIDs in the range xx06863D–xx068660.  
• Maybe it'd be best to have two different dance dialogues; one pulls one of the four "good" TDF animations at random, and the other plays the ZazSexyDance_Loop.  Maybe "Dance!  Go wild!" and "Dance!  Slow and sensual!" respectively or something like that.  
  • You could also just mimic how SLTR handles this.  (SLTR has the best MCM of any mod I've ever seen.  Tons of configurability, yet still well-organised and easy to navigate and understand.)  There, you have a "Dance" tab in the MCM, and you can individually toggle each animation.

Later

Edited April 12, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[TrollAutokill]

Finally I found a server fast enough to upload the latest version.

 

Version 2.9.0 is upgraded to PAHE 8.1.2. Other changes are mostly bug fixes.

 - Split slave status in two dialogues: mood and stats. The alternate key to mood calls stats and respectively.

 - Straddle human chair should now be working. Though it might depend on your default sitting pose as it needs the legs apart pose (male sit) for a correct look.

 - Corrected a few dialogues.

Edited April 12, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[pinky6225]

4 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

Finally I found a server fast enough to upload the latest version.

 

Version 2.9.0 is upgraded to PAHE 8.1.2. Other changes are mostly bug fixes.

 - Split slave status in two dialogues: mood and stats. The alternate key to mood calls stats and respectively.

 - Straddle human chair should now be working. Though it might depend on your default sitting pose as it needs the legs apart pose (male sit) for a correct look.

 - Corrected a few dialogues.

 

Is the file complete as its about 45 mb smaller than the previous version, shows - 61.11 MB

[TrollAutokill]

10 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Is the file complete as its about 45 mb smaller than the previous version, shows - 61.11 MB

Yes, but it doesn't include the LE part.

[pinky6225]

1 minute ago, TrollAutokill said:

Yes, but it doesn't include the LE part.

 

Ah that explains it, i did look in the zip/rar and saw the LE folder but didnt think to check inside

[Amazonian Ara]

51 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

In the case of DoM+HSH, HSH handles everything but the calculation of the amount of training. But DoM should be installed after HSH and you should make sure the HSH patch box is ticked.

Interactive BSDM at 104

Paradise halls esm is at 116

PH farengars study 117

phae dragonborn fixes 118

Devious devices 119-120

PH SL Extension 161

PH dwarven devious suits 194

Slave Tats is at position 204

PH Home Sweet Home 416

PH AYGAS 427

PH fellgrow slave camp 489

PH DoM 498 (patches for Slave Tats, AYGAS, and HSM are ticked.  No optional patches)

 

There is a conflict with Sexlab Tools Updated over Scripts/UILIB_1.pex which Sexlab Tools is currently winning.

 

There doesn't seem to be any training successfully going on even though the slaves are going through the motions.

[Jasmine92]

 

13 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Broken link.

LL uploads are broken. See here: Imgur Link

 

 

6 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Played animation depends on the slave personality. It will be tweaked, only crazy stupid slaves will serve soup. The dance animations are the original Cicero animations, so yes they are mostly silly. I will add cute dances from GSPoses when I see them.

5 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

There are definitely better options.  I don't know about GSPoses yet, but:

• You could use some of the TDF dances here.  I've made a standalone installer and received permission to redistribute it.  You can stick it on the download page or even include the animations in the DiaryOfMine.esp directly if you want—just acknowledge their coming from TDF Prostitution.  
  • Some of them have some weird deformations, clipping, etc., but some of them are really excellent sexy dances.  In particular, I recommend: Cyber Thunder Cider; Kiss Me; Megu Megu Fire, and/or Sweet Devil.
• TDF dances are pretty active though—lots of motion, and they cover a bit larger area.  There are also some serviceable dances in ZAP.
  • ZazSexyDance_Loop would be a great fit.  There are a few dances in ZAP; look for formIDs in the range xx06863D–xx068660.  
• Maybe it'd be best to have two different dance dialogues; one pulls one of the four "good" TDF animations at random, and the other plays the ZazSexyDance_Loop.  Maybe "Dance!  Go wild!" and "Dance!  Slow and sensual!" respectively or something like that.  
  • You could also just mimic how SLTR handles this.  (SLTR has the best MCM of any mod I've ever seen.  Tons of configurability, yet still well-organised and easy to navigate and understand.)  There, you have a "Dance" tab in the MCM, and you can individually toggle each animation.

@Antiope_Apollonia You should try GSPoses, the animation quality is really on an other level. (For a quick browse through you can use the console, select an NPC and type "sae GS1" through "sae GS486" (ain't nobody got time to use the spells) all kinds of stuff there. I personally replaced some HSH Pose animation with GSPoses. Some of the dance moves are quite top of the line. This is my personal pick:

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Command			-> HSH Animation Name	-> Original hkx File	-> GSPoses Anim name
Stand Here    -> HSH Greet Animation			-> GS289
Dance for me	-> FNISSPc20	-> FNISSPc020.hkx	-> GS125
Get down!	-> FNISSPc6		-> FNISSPc006.hkx	-> GS289
Dance with grace	-> FNISSPc24	-> FNISSPc024.hkx	-> GS94
Reax but stay here	-> FNISSPc29	-> FNISSPc029.hkx	-> GS226
Dance show of your 	-> FNISSPc22	-> FNISSPc022.hkx	-> GS103
Swan Pose 			-> FNISSPc31	-> FNISSPc031.hkx	-> GS239
Do your wild dance  -> FNISSPc17	-> FNISSPc017.hkx	-> GS85
Statue				-> FNISSPc30	-> FNISSPc030.hkx	-> GS361
Hold those flowers  -> FNISSPo8		-> FNISSPo008.hkx	-> GS147

And a few honorable mentions:
GS57, GS67, GS82, GS92, GS96, GS105, GS107, GS120, GS186, GS190

Some female masturbations:
GS138, GS145, GS170, GS225, GS226, GS272

Some sexy dance Moves:
GS52, GS153, GS156, GS157, GS158, GS169, GS173, GS174, GS203, GS202, GS212, GS216, GS229, GS257

 

 

[TrollAutokill]

53 minutes ago, Amazonian Ara said:

Interactive BSDM at 104

Paradise halls esm is at 116

PH farengars study 117

phae dragonborn fixes 118

Devious devices 119-120

PH SL Extension 161

PH dwarven devious suits 194

Slave Tats is at position 204

PH Home Sweet Home 416

PH AYGAS 427

PH fellgrow slave camp 489

PH DoM 498 (patches for Slave Tats, AYGAS, and HSM are ticked.  No optional patches)

 

There is a conflict with Sexlab Tools Updated over Scripts/UILIB_1.pex which Sexlab Tools is currently winning.

 

There doesn't seem to be any training successfully going on even though the slaves are going through the motions.

Did you wait long enough? You need to wait at least one day if you have ahousmaster and two days without. It was always 1 day wait with HSH.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

44 minutes ago, Jasmine92 said:

You should try GSPoses,

That was on my schedule for the weekend to go through all the GSPoses in sequence and see what's what in there, then pare it down from 486 to a more manageable number by cutting all the futa content and anything else that just doesn't feel right.  But I just got called back to the border, so probably I won't touch Skyrim/LoversLab this holiday at all.

 

1 hour ago, TrollAutokill said:

I will check, but the maximum value should be around 10 000.

Really?  At least as recently as 2.5.5, I used to get offered close to 30k for my best slaves, although those girls were usually priceless to me.  I don't remember if it was still the same in 2.7.6 or if it changed even more recently.

 

1 hour ago, TrollAutokill said:

What's her race?

Just a Nord.

 

1 hour ago, TrollAutokill said:

But it could be a reason to punish well trained slaves acting silly or trying to be funny. The owner could even choose to praise them for that, adding a bit of variety to 100% slaves.

That could be fun.  Might need to add a threat/promise related to that?

 

2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

I am saying the training effect on loyal and inlove was a yes/no function above 90.

So how do we turn loyal slaves into loving slaves in the current build?  In earlier versions, it was by making them cum, but that doesn't seem to work anymore.

 

1 hour ago, TrollAutokill said:

- Straddle human chair should now be working. Though it might depend on your default sitting pose as it needs the legs apart pose (male sit) for a correct look.

What was wrong with the animation that was being used in 2.7.6?  I liked that one!

[sidfu1]

5 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

You need to use the PAHE dialogue "Strip and set outfit"

did that and she reset her iventory every day. it might be unique to keeper carcet. smost never see her as she is only accessible if you go to the hall of vigilant before you start dawnguard or before lvel 9.

[Gizzlembos03]

Last version is half the size of the previous version, it is standalone or need previous version to work?

[Jasmine92]

14 minutes ago, Gizzlembos03 said:

Last version is half the size of the previous version, it is standalone or need previous version to work?

That's because it's SE Version only atm, older Versions hat SE and LE Version in one Installer.

[TrollAutokill]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

What was wrong with the animation that was being used in 2.7.6?  I liked that one!

Human chair was introduced in 2.8.0, so I guess we're talking different things.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

27 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

Human chair was introduced in 2.8.0, so I guess we're talking different things.

I guess I just meant 2.8.3, then—I think I got my wires crossed.  It's broken in 2.8.4, but before it was broken, it was sitting on her like a bench, which I thought was perfect.

Edited April 12, 2022 by Antiope_Apollonia

[TrollAutokill]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I guess I just meant 2.8.3, then—I think I got my wires crossed.  It's broken in 2.8.4, but before it was broken, it was sitting on her like a bench, which I thought was perfect.

Yes that's the human sit chair, and it's still there. The straddle sit is working too, that's sitting on shoulders with one leg on each side of the slave head.

 

Slaves will choose one or the other pose for now, but later it should depend on if they are tied or not as the straddle is made to go with cuffs. The problem with this pose is that the slave head might clip with the mistress/master legs.

 

At least it does for me, when changing to female character. Could you confirm, this is not just my animation settings? Masters don't have this problem as their sitting pose has legs wide open.

Edited April 12, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Jasmine92]

7 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Finally I found a server fast enough to upload the latest version.

 

Version 2.9.0 is upgraded to PAHE 8.1.2. Other changes are mostly bug fixes.

 - Split slave status in two dialogues: mood and stats. The alternate key to mood calls stats and respectively.

 - Straddle human chair should now be working. Though it might depend on your default sitting pose as it needs the legs apart pose (male sit) for a correct look.

 - Corrected a few dialogues.

@TrollAutokill Thx for the update. Great work as always!

 

I went ahead and created a Voicepack for the new version: PAH - Diary Of Mine v2.9.0 - Voicepack v1.0.7z (Mega Link, 993MB)

 

Took a little longer than expected, because I used CreationKit to generate the lip files. (The ones from the XVASynth Plugin are a little more generic) Everything is BSA packed to speed up the load time, so LE Users need to unpack the archive. This Voicepack should work with all DoH Version up to 2.9.0, some changed lines might be wrong though when used with older versions. A view lines are already edited for better pronunciation with the different voices, however there almost certainly will still be errors. If you want. you can redistribute it freely or add it to the download page of the mod. (I will try to leave it online as long as possible, but a copy with a different hoster might be a good idea)

 

I found a little bug with new posing animations: after I went through all of them, things got a little cluttered with sweet little Nicolene here: (Come here and stop what you are doing did not fix it though)

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2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Yes that's the human sit chair, and it's still there. The straddle sit is working too, that's sitting on shoulders with one leg on each side of the slave head.

 

Slaves will choose one or the other pose for now, but later it should depend on if they are tied or not as the straddle is made to go with cuffs. The problem with this pose is that the slave head might clip with the mistress/master legs.

 

At least it does for me, when changing to female character. Could you confirm, this is not just my animation settings? Masters don't have this problem as their sitting pose has legs wide open.

 

Since DAR is a thing these days, I am using "Pretty Sit Idles SE DAR", which changes the normal sitting ilde to  various new ones, clipping guaranteed. Rotating the Slave 90° would fix most of that, however, I'm not sure if a care enough, if its a lot of work.

Edited April 12, 2022 by Jasmine92

[InsanityFactor]

32 minutes ago, Jasmine92 said:

I found a little bug with new posing animations: after I went through all of them, things got a little cluttered with sweet little Nicolene here: (Come here and stop what you are doing did not fix it though)

Yeah that's an animation bug in Skyrim that pops up sometimes. Animobjects can get "sticky". If it happens to the player you can jump to fix it usually, but with NPCs the easiest way is to shield/weapon bash them, causing a stagger animation that fixes it. That can be problematic if you're trying to avoid punishments though, as that counts as a pain punishment, so you could time it for when they actually misbehave. I don't know of any other quick and easy fixes though, but that can work for now if you're willing to smack them like that.

[Jasmine92]

1 hour ago, InsanityFactor said:

Yeah that's an animation bug in Skyrim that pops up sometimes. Animobjects can get "sticky". If it happens to the player you can jump to fix it usually, but with NPCs the easiest way is to shield/weapon bash them, causing a stagger animation that fixes it. That can be problematic if you're trying to avoid punishments though, as that counts as a pain punishment, so you could time it for when they actually misbehave. I don't know of any other quick and easy fixes though, but that can work for now if you're willing to smack them like that.

I found that forcing them to play an animation with sae fixes it. (at least the gsposes animations do)

[Antiope_Apollonia]

4 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

At least it does for me, when changing to female character. Could you confirm, this is not just my animation settings? Masters don't have this problem as their sitting pose has legs wide open.

Lol, yeah, that doesn't work.

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Maybe rotate 180°?

[bnub345]

Here are the meshes, textures, animations, and esp for DoM 2.9.0 converted to LE. I'm not playing LE right now, so I haven't tested anything in game. Let me know if any of the meshes/textures/anims were not properly converted. 

 

Mega link because LL is stupid slow

[Villianize]

@TrollAutokill So I noticed some things in regards to slavers.

Slavers get stuck being naked if former slaves:
First and foremost if a slave is able to become a slaver they immediately strip their clothing when you try to get them to train slaves. Unfortunately since they are no longer your slave you cant tell them to put their clothes back on [RIP PC arousal]. I believe this might also happen with NPCs who arent slaves as well (the becoming naked when training)

DoM has a Soft Incompatibility with TDF Aroused Rape:
Lastly when a slaver is training a slave they don't seem to have an "end state" or "goal" for training. What I mean by this is lets say my main goal for a slaver with "teach these slaves to fear the whip" was just to make them stop running away and have high Resignation, The slavers pretty much keep whipping away but because of this they wont stop. In my game trying to intervene to tell the slaver anything is pretty much useless because when the slaver is talked to, they end the convo and immediately get back to whipping the slaves. It creates a Soft Incompatibility with TDF Rape because if the slaver is aroused enough to advance on the PC they'll attempt an advance when the PC talks to them(which is TDF's main incentive), then stop the advance to whip the slave creating a situation where the PC is trying to escape the NPC's sex advance, and immediately start a fight.

Slavers are unable to be talked to once they've been ordered to train a slave:
Beyond TDF having a soft incompatibility, theres no way to talk to slavers once they start whipping slaves unless the PC tells the Slaver to hand over their slaves, or in some manner speed through dialogues in under 4-5 seconds to get them to exit the train slave state. I'll attach a video below showing a bit of what Im talking about.

 

Video Highlights:

• Slaver is in state to train slaves but is unable to be talked to
• Slaver became naked when told to "Make slaves fear the whip"
• [Not in video] Sometimes the trained slave will fight back which is ok but unsure if it is intended (slaver wont die)
• [Not in video] If user has TDF Aroused Rape, and Slaver is horny and training a slave it breaks TDFAR since training slavers are not able to maintain a conversation.

 

 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Villianize

[Amazonian Ara]

8 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Did you wait long enough? You need to wait at least one day if you have ahousmaster and two days without. It was always 1 day wait with HSH.

A housemaster, do you mean a task mistress?  I want to make sure I assign a slave to the right thing.

[TrollAutokill]

4 hours ago, Amazonian Ara said:

A housemaster, do you mean a task mistress?  I want to make sure I assign a slave to the right thing.

Yes