Random Overlay Framework

[mindgame]

16 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

maybe I broke the armor manager when I made the recent changes, (I thought that the changes wouldn't change them) *so I didn't test them

 

can you go to the last page of MCM and set "Distributor Quests or Armor" to Quest (because it looks like you are using the armor version) and see if that works

 

 

because from the looks of it, the mod is working and NPCs are getting overlays.

can you click or hotkey "Show Overlays on NPC" on some NPCs and post screenshots of the results.

I think I´ve made some interesting progress. I use the "Start me up" mod and I noticed that ROF will immediately start to distribute to the NPCs in vanilla start- some og those overlay do in fact show up when going the the vanilla start (run to Vault). However, it seems that ROF will stop distributing once getting into the wasteland proper. So I tried to not activate ROF until in the wasteland and it seems to work. There are some types overlays that I´m, not seeing, (e.g tattoos) but I think that may be due to how I have the settings In MCM.

 

Does "modifer 1x/2x etc." mean likelyhood of seeing the overlay? Like there is a 4x bigger chance of an NPC getting it?

Edited March 28, 2024 by mindgame

[Invictusblade]

6 hours ago, mindgame said:

I think I´ve made some interesting progress. I use the "Start me up" mod and I noticed that ROF will immediately start to distribute to the NPCs in vanilla start- some og those overlay do in fact show up when going the the vanilla start (run to Vault). However, it seems that ROF will stop distributing once getting into the wasteland proper. So I tried to not activate ROF until in the wasteland and it seems to work. There are some types overlays that I´m, not seeing, (e.g tattoos) but I think that may be due to how I have the settings In MCM.

 

Does "modifer 1x/2x etc." mean likelyhood of seeing the overlay? Like there is a 4x bigger chance of an NPC getting it?

so the point of the modifiers (1x, 2x, 3x, 4x) that you could have a base chance of 25% for everyone.

and then have Raiders have 4x = 100%

or Gunners have 3x = 75%

or Institute have Disabled = 0%

or Settlers have 2x = 50%

 

 

I will have a look at Start Me Up (I haven't used that mod in years) *I normally use one of the SKK50's New Start Mods (SKKSyntheticPlayer at the moment)

[mindgame]

11 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

so the point of the modifiers (1x, 2x, 3x, 4x) that you could have a base chance of 25% for everyone.

and then have Raiders have 4x = 100%

or Gunners have 3x = 75%

or Institute have Disabled = 0%

or Settlers have 2x = 50%

 

 

I will have a look at Start Me Up (I haven't used that mod in years) *I normally use one of the SKK50's New Start Mods (SKKSyntheticPlayer at the moment)

It might just be me who´s too dense to understand the modifier naming, but would it maybe make sense to name them General Setting/ 25/ 50/ 75/ 100 and make the headline text: "Chance in percent that x gets the overlay (Overrides general setting)"

 

Thx for the explanation and all the help. Again, this mod is a freaking game changer!

 

Edit: further testing shows that ROF works fine even on games in progress started via Start Me Up, if:  completely shutting down ROF via "Stop.." command in  MCM-> saving->disabling ROF mod in mod manager->make a new save->clean with resaver-> reenable ROF. (I am aware that this might only be a problem on my setup, but I feel that's it's worth posting these observations here)

Edited March 29, 2024 by mindgame
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[Invictusblade]

so it has been a short while since I posted the update

(I have been sorting out mods in my load order, I think I have a stable load order at the moment)

 

is everyone happy with the changes?

 

 

so I will be changing the sleeves overlays in the overlay mod because I am not completely happy with them. (and I should remove them from the NPC list)

but I will use the similar mechanic to make some tattoos inspired by horizon game series (neon tubing that the Banuk use but it will be tattoos instead)

also I will be working on a treasure map style of tattoos (see the page before for the reason)

 

[Guest]

I just dicscovered this mod and oh my lord. I am crazy in love with it. This. Is. Amazing. And thank you so much for all your work, and continued support for almost 4 years now!

 

However, one thing continues to plague and elude my understanding. The "base skin option" setting at the top where you can choose, No change (default skin), clean, dirty, old and underwear. I thought this meant you could have differnt skins for differnt factions, but maybe I am misunderstanding that setting. I wanted to put gunners with a clean skin, and raiders with a dirty skin but this just didnt work. And I guess CBBE has an insanely dirty body texture. The bodies had so much dirt, it was hard to even see the tattoo's underneath, I was sure my game was bugged due to something I had done. I spend an entire day trying to fix it, making sure I was on quest mode and not armor mode, with all kinds of stuff. Messing with load order, looking at FO4Edit etc. Only to just completely wipe my system of fallout 4 and make a clean install, and I do mean clean. Deleted the game and its directory, the fallout folder in mygames and appdata etc.. First mod I install, CBBE, its the same dirty skin, I didnt do anything wrong, its just included with CBEE, lmao.  Eventually I just downloaded a body cleaner for CBBE for clean skins. But it left me wondering what this option is for then though, or if its just not working? In the changelog it said depends on my meshes.. unsure what that means. :')

 

I went back like 10 pages on this thread and didnt see anyone mention this, so its still a possibility, its something with my specific game. (or I read over it.)

 

The picture I uploaded hopefully shows up to show what I mean (its showing me a broken image icon?). CBBE makes those dirt spots as dark as an abyss. Its even worse depending on lighting and if the character has a darker skin.

 

Edit : Under what faction do scavengers fall under?

 

Edit 2 : I keep editing this message, so sorry for the length of this!! 

 

Is it normal that the overlays cant be overwritten by looks menu or by anything really? I notice that the CBBE skin is sometimes dominant, and if I go into the looksmenu using the slm command, it shows me that the NPC has several overlays I cant see, and it also doesnt register when I use the "show current overlays on npc" hotkey. Like, I can use slm to "refresh" the actor showing the correct overlays, but then as soon as I exit the menu, it reverts back.

 

Similarly, if I use the slm command to add or remove a tattoo, it doesnt save it either. I tried putting the random overlay framework after CBBE, but vortex gives me an error saying Framework needs to be before CBBE. Very confusing!` Okay so all this word salad I was saying is caused by Just Business. If you enslave someone, you cannot edit this person anymore. And they will lose all the tattoo's and other stuff that RoF gives them! So I guess you can say, its incompatible with that mod.  

 

Spoiler

 

Edited April 15, 2024 by CollectableLover
spoilered the picture. Sorry.

[Invictusblade]

19 hours ago, Oobaha said:

I just dicscovered this mod and oh my lord. I am crazy in love with it. This. Is. Amazing. And thank you so much for all your work, and continued support for almost 4 years now!

 

However, one thing continues to plague and elude my understanding. The "base skin option" setting at the top where you can choose, No change (default skin), clean, dirty, old and underwear. I thought this meant you could have differnt skins for differnt factions, but maybe I am misunderstanding that setting. I wanted to put gunners with a clean skin, and raiders with a dirty skin but this just didnt work. And I guess CBBE has an insanely dirty body texture. The bodies had so much dirt, it was hard to even see the tattoo's underneath, I was sure my game was bugged due to something I had done. I spend an entire day trying to fix it, making sure I was on quest mode and not armor mode, with all kinds of stuff. Messing with load order, looking at FO4Edit etc. Only to just completely wipe my system of fallout 4 and make a clean install, and I do mean clean. Deleted the game and its directory, the fallout folder in mygames and appdata etc.. First mod I install, CBBE, its the same dirty skin, I didnt do anything wrong, its just included with CBEE, lmao.  Eventually I just downloaded a body cleaner for CBBE for clean skins. But it left me wondering what this option is for then though, or if its just not working? In the changelog it said depends on my meshes.. unsure what that means. :')

so this is a fairly new feature (two or three versions ago)

so it uses the default skins from Fallout 4 (Clean, Dirty, Old, and Underwear) *so there were issues with the actual ghoul skin so I avoided that (but I better double check that)

so it does depend on your mods (because there are dirty 'clean' textures mods out there) also there is an issue that this effect is loaded after a load (the hands should show the intended skin)

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Oobaha said:

I went back like 10 pages on this thread and didnt see anyone mention this, so its still a possibility, its something with my specific game. (or I read over it.)

 

The picture I uploaded hopefully shows up to show what I mean (its showing me a broken image icon?). CBBE makes those dirt spots as dark as an abyss. Its even worse depending on lighting and if the character has a darker skin.

 

19 hours ago, Oobaha said:

Edit : Under what faction do scavengers fall under?

General I believe, but I might add some options later for this (might make into a separate mod)

 

19 hours ago, Oobaha said:

Edit 2 : I keep editing this message, so sorry for the length of this!! 

 

Is it normal that the overlays cant be overwritten by looks menu or by anything really? I notice that the CBBE skin is sometimes dominant, and if I go into the looksmenu using the slm command, it shows me that the NPC has several overlays I cant see, and it also doesnt register when I use the "show current overlays on npc" hotkey. Like, I can use slm to "refresh" the actor showing the correct overlays, but then as soon as I exit the menu, it reverts back.

 

Similarly, if I use the slm command to add or remove a tattoo, it doesnt save it either. I tried putting the random overlay framework after CBBE, but vortex gives me an error saying Framework needs to be before CBBE. Very confusing!` Okay so all this word salad I was saying is caused by Just Business. If you enslave someone, you cannot edit this person anymore. And they will lose all the tattoo's and other stuff that RoF gives them! So I guess you can say, its incompatible with that mod.  

edit-> thinking about it, try the ROF MCM command on them (cycle overlays on NPC) *maybe that might work (no idea, it been a while since I played with JB)

 

that is a issue with 'Just Business', all of the slaves in that mod is just one single NPC (with traits from its father(original NPC))

 

which is one of the reasons why I made my own enslavement mod (I know it is a lot more basic and simple compared to JB)

(mind you that my slave mods also has issues (each NPC is its own person so identical NPCs could have radically different bodyshape and tattoos))

[Guest]

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and answer to my message that could have been like 2 sentences, lol. I remember if I had a slave that happened to kept their tattoo's (it was rare but sometimes it did happen?) I COULD cycle their tattoo's but IIRC those would go away as soon as it was done and it would go back to the original skin. (but only if they were enslaved) It doesnt matter though, I would much rather keep this amazing mod anyway. I will check out your other mod. Again, thank you for taking the time to respond.

[Invictusblade]

so I was talking about doing some more tattoos and here they are

Neon Stripes(Assorted Colors (I should look into glowing colors as well) & Treasure Map

 

update-> so I went to play the game today, and it doesn't work anymore (I don't think I actually changed anything)

it CTD's whenever I load the game (I reduced my load order to ESM's and it is still doing it) *and no buffout crash log

 

(loading no ESM's seems to work)

 

new update-> I just needed a computer restart (don't know why it needs it but anyway, it works now)

 

update-> glowing neon Stripes at Night (Wearing The Kite's Vault-Tec Slave suit)

 

Edited April 11, 2024 by Invictusblade

[AWHA2]

On 4/9/2024 at 4:18 AM, Invictusblade said:

that is a issue with 'Just Business', all of the slaves in that mod is just one single NPC (with traits from its father(original NPC))

AFAIK this shouldn't be a problem as the NPCs are cloned so they get their own refID. For example, the mod Human Resources (spiritual successor to JB) has a function that allows skin and bodymorph changes to carry over during cloning, might be worth a look.

 

 

[Dez65]

Hi - I'm upgrading from 2.15b to 2.460.  During install, I checked both Dead Body Fixer and DeadInvisibleBodiesFix.  However, the plugin DeadInvisibleBodiesFix_ROF.esp and its BA2s are not being installed.  I don't even see them anywhere in the FOMOD.  As a result, I'm getting a missing plugin warning when I start the game.

 

Am I missing something?

 

Thanks for your amazing mod, which has a permanent place in my load order.

[Invictusblade]

15 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Hi - I'm upgrading from 2.15b to 2.460.  During install, I checked both Dead Body Fixer and DeadInvisibleBodiesFix.  However, the plugin DeadInvisibleBodiesFix_ROF.esp and its BA2s are not being installed.  I don't even see them anywhere in the FOMOD.  As a result, I'm getting a missing plugin warning when I start the game.

 

Am I missing something?

 

Thanks for your amazing mod, which has a permanent place in my load order.

I will have a look because that is weird (considering I haven't touch it)

 

so you can open the 7z and go to the folder "Dead Overlays" and copy the contents(INVB_OverlayFramework_DeadOverlays.esp and BA2 and F4SE folder) to DATA and that should be it

[Dez65]

6 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

so you can open the 7z and go to the folder "Dead Overlays" and copy the contents(INVB_OverlayFramework_DeadOverlays.esp and BA2 and F4SE folder) to DATA and that should be it

I should have been clearer.  In version. 2.15b, the plug-in is called "DeadInvisibleBodiesFix_ROF.esp."  Looks like you may have changed the plug-in name to "NVB_OverlayFramework_DeadOverlays.esp" because 2.460 does not install a plug-in named "DeadInvisibleBodiesFix_ROF.esp."  Hence the missing plug-in warning when I run the game.

 

Will making this change mid-playthrough cause a problem?

 

Thanks for your speedy response!

[Invictusblade]

1 hour ago, Dez65 said:

I should have been clearer.  In version. 2.15b, the plug-in is called "DeadInvisibleBodiesFix_ROF.esp."  Looks like you may have changed the plug-in name to "NVB_OverlayFramework_DeadOverlays.esp" because 2.460 does not install a plug-in named "DeadInvisibleBodiesFix_ROF.esp."  Hence the missing plug-in warning when I run the game.

 

Will making this change mid-playthrough cause a problem?

 

Thanks for your speedy response!

ok it should be fine, they should be updated when you start the new mod

 

so the older mod was a concept that I was working on at the time. (I was both right and wrong about the concept) *the key is the unequipping of an armor

 

so in the newest version, there is two different death related mods

 

INVB_OverlayFramework_DeadOverlays.esp = contains bloody or wound overlays that are only used on dead bodies.

Dead Body Fixer.esp = is an armor mod that will equip and unequip itself whenever the game is loaded (this is the key to get dead bodies to be visible) *on dead bodies only

[Dez65]

3 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

ok it should be fine, they should be updated when you start the new mod

I decided to start a new game for another reason.

 

I'm using StartMeUp and I started near Vault 81.  It doesn't appear that faction overlays (or any overlays actually) were automatically applied to the Vaultdwellers or to anyone I met right outside the vault.  I can cycle the overlays for a single NPC or a group and overlays are applied, although there seemed to be a predominance of either wound overlays or the sparkle overlays from Body_ColorOverlays at Fallout 4 Nexus - Mods and community (nexusmods.com).  

 

With the prior version, the overlays were there on everyone right after I started a new game.  

 

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Or maybe I'm expecting sometime right away that will happen over time?

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

[Invictusblade]

9 hours ago, Dez65 said:

I decided to start a new game for another reason.

 

I'm using StartMeUp and I started near Vault 81.  It doesn't appear that faction overlays (or any overlays actually) were automatically applied to the Vaultdwellers or to anyone I met right outside the vault.  I can cycle the overlays for a single NPC or a group and overlays are applied, although there seemed to be a predominance of either wound overlays or the sparkle overlays from Body_ColorOverlays at Fallout 4 Nexus - Mods and community (nexusmods.com).  

 

With the prior version, the overlays were there on everyone right after I started a new game.  

 

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Or maybe I'm expecting sometime right away that will happen over time?

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

I will have a look, also can you post your settings for the mod

 

btw, one thing I have changed in one of the recent versions is I have edited the MCM into two separated versions(General and Faction) *this doesn't use the old versions settings

[Dez65]

22 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

also can you post your settings for the mod

Here you go.

INVB_OverlayFramework_Factions.ini INVB_OverlayFramework_Basic.ini

[Guest]

Hello again. I think im reporting the same issue as Dez65. Adding in two screenshots and my own setting for the mod. I do want to say though, that initially I did think it was cool, but its also kind of a pain to remove them while leaving tattoo's intact. For me, one of the ways im using it, is so that the mod commonwealth captives have signs of abuse. So while they are in my settlement, I edit them eventually to turn the bruises into scars instead. (the pictures show only women, but the men have them aswell in this severity.)

 

But yea, multiple instances of bruises and cuts are layered on top of eachother. Which I wonder... if it could be put as an additional modifier, maybe like damage modifier from light (one layer of the same effect) to heavy (three layers of same effect)

 

Also I want to take this chance to thank @AWHA2 for the suggestion for human resources. I am now using crime and punishment by Joeyr so sadly didnt see that, but for the future will use that instead, or use invictusblade's mod.

 

(also, those glow in the dark tattoo's look amazing!!)

 

 

Spoiler

 

INVB_OverlayFramework_Basic.ini INVB_OverlayFramework_Factions.ini

Edited April 15, 2024 by CollectableLover

[Invictusblade]

4 hours ago, CollectableLover said:

Hello again. I think im reporting the same issue as Dez65. Adding in two screenshots and my own setting for the mod. I do want to say though, that initially I did think it was cool, but its also kind of a pain to remove them while leaving tattoo's intact. For me, one of the ways im using it, is so that the mod commonwealth captives have signs of abuse. So while they are in my settlement, I edit them eventually to turn the bruises into scars instead. (the pictures show only women, but the men have them aswell in this severity.)

 

But yea, multiple instances of bruises and cuts are layered on top of eachother. Which I wonder... if it could be put as an additional modifier, maybe like damage modifier from light (one layer of the same effect) to heavy (three layers of same effect)

 

Also I want to take this chance to thank @AWHA2 for the suggestion for human resources. I am now using crime and punishment by Joeyr so sadly didnt see that, but for the future will use that instead, or use invictusblade's mod.

 

(also, those glow in the dark tattoo's look amazing!!)

 

 

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12 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Here you go.

INVB_OverlayFramework_Factions.ini 1.56 kB · 1 download INVB_OverlayFramework_Basic.ini 432 B · 0 downloads

well that is not suppose to happen

that is a lot of overlays

 

I will have a look at these but I cannot see anything wrong with the settings at the moment. (but I will play with them tomorrow)

 

which Robco or SPID versions are both of you running?

 

can both of you do number 3 of my signature under the spoiler (enable one of the debug options for traces (the additional debug options are for notifications)

[Guest]

On 4/15/2024 at 2:09 PM, Invictusblade said:

 

well that is not suppose to happen

that is a lot of overlays

 

I will have a look at these but I cannot see anything wrong with the settings at the moment. (but I will play with them tomorrow)

 

which Robco or SPID versions are both of you running?

 

can both of you do number 3 of my signature under the spoiler (enable one of the debug options for traces (the additional debug options are for notifications)

Absolutely, happy to help. My Robco patcher is version 3.6.0.

 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2024 by CollectableLover

[Two Bucks]

i just dont get it. i have every tattoo and bush that goes with your mod. they all work when not using your mod. i install your mod and all i get is every female with the Seven Body. no tattoos no pubes. just a bunch of size triple q boobs and a fake ass. lol. how i set all the features to 100 and i set them to 80,70,40,20,0. still nothing. how come your mod works only half way for me? i dont have any other skin textures or body mods installed. clearly it work. i refresh in the mcms. i do the body regen. all that does is change my character. i play for in game weeks. i have been at this for 1 year and i just dont get it. manual install. vortex or MO2 Just seven body base. also. can i change that? trashcan carla doesnt need all that lol. i love the idea. the few times it worked, awesome. but 95% bald vaginas and dirty skin. oh thats another thing! the scars and dirt skin. works np! like wtheck is going on?

[Dez65]

On 4/15/2024 at 7:09 AM, Invictusblade said:

which Robco or SPID versions are both of you running?

 

can both of you do number 3 of my signature under the spoiler (enable one of the debug options for traces (the additional debug options are for notifications)

Sorry - thought I had uploaded this already.  

 

I am using Robco Patcher 4.0.1, which I think is the most recent version.

 

Papyrus.0.log

[Invictusblade]

Shit, sorry about the late reply, I kinda got absorb into modding another one of my mod called Autonomy Redux,

 

On 4/16/2024 at 12:27 AM, CollectableLover said:

Absolutely, happy to help. My Robco patcher is version 3.6.0.

 

 

Papyrus.0.log 56.27 kB · 1 download

On 4/17/2024 at 11:11 PM, Two Bucks said:

i just dont get it. i have every tattoo and bush that goes with your mod. they all work when not using your mod. i install your mod and all i get is every female with the Seven Body. no tattoos no pubes. just a bunch of size triple q boobs and a fake ass. lol. how i set all the features to 100 and i set them to 80,70,40,20,0. still nothing. how come your mod works only half way for me? i dont have any other skin textures or body mods installed. clearly it work. i refresh in the mcms. i do the body regen. all that does is change my character. i play for in game weeks. i have been at this for 1 year and i just dont get it. manual install. vortex or MO2 Just seven body base. also. can i change that? trashcan carla doesnt need all that lol. i love the idea. the few times it worked, awesome. but 95% bald vaginas and dirty skin. oh thats another thing! the scars and dirt skin. works np! like wtheck is going on?

 

On 4/20/2024 at 5:42 AM, Dez65 said:

Sorry - thought I had uploaded this already.  

 

I am using Robco Patcher 4.0.1, which I think is the most recent version.

 

Papyrus.0.log 497.72 kB · 2 downloads

I have no idea what so ever, I will go over your logs, settings with a fine-tooth comb

 

can you post some more recent logs as well? as many as you can/want

because this is a really weird issue that I have never experience.

 

[Idkhelpmeplz21]

Ik I’m late to this thread but I love the tattoos! Thanks for these xD

[Invictusblade]

22 minutes ago, Idkhelpmeplz21 said:

Ik I’m late to this thread but I love the tattoos! Thanks for these xD

thank you, let me know if there is any problems

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

Shit, sorry about the late reply, I kinda got absorb into modding another one of my mod called Autonomy Redux,

 

 

I have no idea what so ever, I will go over your logs, settings with a fine-tooth comb

 

can you post some more recent logs as well? as many as you can/want

because this is a really weird issue that I have never experience.

 

Okay so, I can do that, but I dont have the bug anymore. I honestly thought I read somewhere that a mod author could patch a mod through robco patcher and that was what you did lmao. 

I have no idea what I did to solve it.. one of the things I remember is that deacon my companion, had so many damage marks on his back, his entire back was as black as a void, I should have screenshotted it. If I pressed the hotkey to show overlays, I got 3 full screens showing me the same damage marker. I think I did the option to clear all overlays on all NPC's.

 

My theory as to why this happened is that in the beginning I was having some trouble getting it to work correctly, so I fiddled with the settings. One of those is the group distributor toggle and some other settings. I think maybe somehow, I activated multiple instances of whatever distributes the overlays? And maybe somehow I managed to reset it back to  just a single instance? But that still doesnt explain why deacon had so many marks being reapplied, but maybe that could have to do with his disguises.

 

I dont think I can be of more help since "it just works" now. But if I can do anything else or if you still want the logs, please let me know.  

 

This was a joke, the captives no longer have double or triple overlays like before. But now the raiders dont show their tattoo's. It has mutated. lol

 

I keep having to edit this dang message, I restarted the game and now raiders (or atleast the corpses) have tattoo's again.

 

This bug works as follows it seems, I encounter raider, they get overlays but dont show up. I restart game, they show up. Will update this if I find out more during playing.

 

Okay so one of two things happen, either the raiders have no overlays, which is odd with 90% chance. (I am going to put this to 100% now) Or they have overlays but they dont show up untill I reload/restart the game. 🤔

 

The fourth papyrus log (the second 0 papy log the 69 kb (nice) one.) is when I used the "restart random overlay framework mcm"

 

Ps. If I can do anything to make the logs easier to read for you, just let me know.

pps. I switched over to robco 4.0.1. aswell now.

Papyrus.0.log Papyrus.1.log

Papyrus.5.log

Papyrus.0.log

Edited April 21, 2024 by CollectableLover
Random overlay tomfoolery