SLSF Fame Comments Reloaded

[Gristle]

29 minutes ago, metanight78 said:

I'm not sure either to be honest. The save I returned to was once the PC and Lilly left the Four Shields in Dragon's Bridge and headed towards Solitude, (before the stage with the Stormcloaks. It might have been something to do with the KShair patch since that was the one thing that changed between my attempts. Also just to check, is the Markarth temple faction the vanilla one, or the Sisterhood of Dibella mod? I have that mod installed if that makes a difference.

 

Edit: just remembered something else.

I started the "joining the sisterhood" quest before leaving for Solitude, but did not get past the first part of it. I'll go further down that quest line and see what happens to my current save.

I think you just solved both problems! Thanks! And they all appear to stem from the KSHair patch. I don't know why, but I just examined that patch closely in SSEdit and that patch is making other edits beyond the intended hair changes, including 1) removing the Solitude temple sandbox from Lilly!, and 2) changing the Solitude temple women's faction from the (new) Solitude Temple of Dibella faction to the (vanilla) Markarth Temple of Dibella faction. So, the KSHair patch is the problem! (and explains the exact behavior you saw) I will remake it, make sure it has nothing but the hair changes in it, and post a new version.

 

The odd thing is, I've been running the same hair patch all along and I haven't seen these same issues on my playthroughs. But I'm still 99% sure this is the cause of the two above problems.

[metanight78]

I just tried using addfac console command to add my PC to the vanilla Dibella temple faction and the "would you like to practice.." line still don't show up. (without KShair patch). I tried both the regular faction, and inner sanctum vanilla factions. Still no dialogue. There might be something else going on, at least with the LE version. Glad to be of service

 

Edit: So the addfac does work, but it must also be done to the sisters in the Solitude temple to get the line to appear. Not just the PC.

Edited July 22, 2023 by metanight78

[pinky6225]

On 6/25/2023 at 10:14 PM, Gristle said:

On 6/25/2023 at 8:49 AM, Veldon said:

During the first part the battles were a problem. It totally sucks if you cannot wear an armour in battle on higher difficulty levels. Most of the time that results in a quick death.

In playtesting, the bandit fight was very difficult for me as well, and does make the quest almost impossible for lower level characters. But, I thought the typical PC would be higher level by the time they made it to Markarth and built upon enough fame to start the quest. What level was your PC? I could allow the PC to wear armor in combat, but it would take away from the theme of the quest somewhat. Another option would be to make Rogen much stronger, so he can be of more help in combat. For playtesting, where I was often starting new characters, I ended up using the Dibella's Blessings mod, which helped a lot. Even so, I had to be very strategic about the combat.

 

You could do something similar to the beastess mod which has invisible armor that can be worn which you get after progressing the mod a bit

 

Then you could keep the theme while also making combat easier

[alain31]

11 hours ago, Gristle said:

I'm running the converted SE version of SLSF and I've never had that issue with many many profiles

Thank you for your reply.

 

I use skyui se 5.2, UIExtensions v1.2.0, Fuz Ro D-oh  v1.7 and zaz 8 plus and SexLab Aroused Redux v29.
The only thing that differs is that i use sexlab utility plus with the papyrus utility that comes with this mod.
Are there any mods incompatible with Sex Lab - Sexual Fame Framework?
The mods that i use that identify a reputation are SexLab RelationshipDialogueSystem se and Skyrim Reputation SSE.
In ssedit i don't see any conflicts with my mods and Sex Lab - Sexual Fame Framework.
The fact is that it's weird that it works for a while and nothing works after reloading a save.
I tried to reset with the mcm but i had no better luck.
If anyone has an idea, don't hesitate to let me know.

 

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

 

You could do something similar to the beastess mod which has invisible armor that can be worn which you get after progressing the mod a bit

 

Then you could keep the theme while also making combat easier

Well... you do get an item with similar function in the quest, but it's more towards the end of the quest as the big (and themed as you note) reward. The trick is getting past one big fight without it. But you can always put your armor on once combat starts -- I'm pretty sure Rogen will be busy fighting and won't have the "Idle" dialogue that removes it until after the fight. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Gristle

[Gristle]

1 hour ago, alain31 said:

Thank you for your reply.

 

I use skyui se 5.2, UIExtensions v1.2.0, Fuz Ro D-oh  v1.7 and zaz 8 plus and SexLab Aroused Redux v29.
The only thing that differs is that i use sexlab utility plus with the papyrus utility that comes with this mod.
Are there any mods incompatible with Sex Lab - Sexual Fame Framework?
The mods that i use that identify a reputation are SexLab RelationshipDialogueSystem se and Skyrim Reputation SSE.
In ssedit i don't see any conflicts with my mods and Sex Lab - Sexual Fame Framework.
The fact is that it's weird that it works for a while and nothing works after reloading a save.
I tried to reset with the mcm but i had no better luck.
If anyone has an idea, don't hesitate to let me know.

 

I've never encountered or heard of any mods conflicting with SLSF, but I've never run Sexlab Utility Plus or the associated Papyrus Tweaks mod. These sound like they could potentially be the source of the problem. A conflict at the script level wouldn't show up in SSEdit. I would try disabling them to test.

[Dez65]

Hi - I'm doing the Dibella quest and after picking up Rogen, the quest marker moves to a campfire in Darkwater Crossing with the hint that a miner there may know where the ax is.  I've talked to every miner in Darkwater Crossing I can find, unique and generic, and get no dialogue prompt about the ax.  

 

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Any suggestions?

 

Thanks for a great mod!

[Veldon]

Speak with Annekke in the evening (and take care that Mr. "You have to be undressed" sticks around). Occasionally the quest requires proper timing – and that bloke. ?

Edited July 27, 2023 by Veldon

[Gristle]

7 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Hi - I'm doing the Dibella quest and after picking up Rogen, the quest marker moves to a campfire in Darkwater Crossing with the hint that a miner there may know where the ax is.  I've talked to every miner in Darkwater Crossing I can find, unique and generic, and get no dialogue prompt about the ax.  

 

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Any suggestions?

 

Thanks for a great mod!

You're welcome. If the quest marker is on the campfire, you're at the right stage. Everyone in Darkwater Crossing in the vanilla game is given quest-related dialogue at that point -- whether your PC is naked or not. So, Annekke, Verner, Sondas, Tormir, Hrefna and the guards all have quest-related dialogue. The dialogue that should be appearing is "Have you seen any bandit camps around here?" If you're not seeing this on the NPC's dialogue tree, some other dialogue mod is likely interfering.

 

You could also try what Veldon has suggested, and try to speak with Annekke in her house in the evening (between 6-8 pm). That normally works fine too, but as Veldon mentioned, Rogen has to be with you for that conversation (and for some later ones) to advance the quest.

[Dez65]

7 hours ago, Gristle said:

You're welcome. If the quest marker is on the campfire, you're at the right stage. Everyone in Darkwater Crossing in the vanilla game is given quest-related dialogue at that point -- whether your PC is naked or not. So, Annekke, Verner, Sondas, Tormir, Hrefna and the guards all have quest-related dialogue. The dialogue that should be appearing is "Have you seen any bandit camps around here?" If you're not seeing this on the NPC's dialogue tree, some other dialogue mod is likely interfering.

I made it through the quest and it was so fun!  I think the issue was that I wasn't fully complying with the dress code at the hot springs - kept the jewelry on.  When I removed that, all dialogue prompts appeared.

 

Thanks again!

[Dez65]

7 hours ago, Dez65 said:

I made it through the quest and it was so fun!  I think the issue was that I wasn't fully complying with the dress code at the hot springs - kept the jewelry on.  When I removed that, all dialogue prompts appeared.

Got the second quest and went to see the Jarl but he provided no quest dialogues.  I note that I did not get the Dibella quest until after I agreed at the treaty meeting to give Markarth to the Stormcloaks so the quest markers for the Jarl point to the old Jarl now residing in the Blue Palace.  I ignored this for the first quest and spoke to the new Jarl in Markath and the quest worked fine.  This time, after getting no dialogue prompts, I went to the Blue Palace and the old Jarl had a dialogue referencing how I handled someone - Fallion maybe?  Didn't pay attention.  However, no dialogues for the new quest.  

 

Again, I'm sure I missed doing something.  Gonna try stripping completely again before talking to the Markarth current Jarl but any suggestions are welcome.

[Gristle]

10 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Got the second quest and went to see the Jarl but he provided no quest dialogues.  I note that I did not get the Dibella quest until after I agreed at the treaty meeting to give Markarth to the Stormcloaks so the quest markers for the Jarl point to the old Jarl now residing in the Blue Palace.  I ignored this for the first quest and spoke to the new Jarl in Markath and the quest worked fine.  This time, after getting no dialogue prompts, I went to the Blue Palace and the old Jarl had a dialogue referencing how I handled someone - Fallion maybe?  Didn't pay attention.  However, no dialogues for the new quest.  

 

Again, I'm sure I missed doing something.  Gonna try stripping completely again before talking to the Markarth current Jarl but any suggestions are welcome.

The Markarth Jarl dialogue will work with whichever of the two Jarls is currently the Jarl in Understone Keep. In other words, it will work with the current Jarl of Markarth regardless of civil war actions. BUT... I'm not smart enough to make the Jarl quest marker switch based on civil war actions. So, yes, you should keep talking to whoever is the Jarl in Markarth. Should be fine even if you switch Jarls mid-quest. Just ignore the quest marker and keep talking to whoever is sitting on the Mournful Throne.

 

Next, I'm not sure where you are in the quest. Did you return with Rogen? If so, Rogen needs to be with you to get the next quest dialogue. If he's running a bit behind you, just wait a sec for him to catch up. Next, did you return with Lilly? Same thing for her. She has to be with you (meaning normal follower distance) to get the next quest dialogue. 

 

 

Edited July 29, 2023 by Gristle

[Scautura]

This may be a dumb question, but given I'm struggling with SLSF not updating player fame (I've tried a lot of different things and no luck; AE using the 0.99 SE version, but also tried with AE using the 0.99 LE version, everything worked in SE as far as I remember (a month or two ago)), is there a list of trigger points for quests (specifically, rather than comments) so I can bump the levels?

I'm planning on bumping levels manually every time something happens (using the debug spell to, for example, raise exhibitionism when going naked for a bit, or whore when doing prostitution, etc.) since I can't get things working.

 

Edit: And of course, whatever I did this time decided to work. ? I'm still curious about the above though.

Edited July 29, 2023 by Scautura
SLSF now working. Of course it is!

[Gristle]

7 hours ago, Scautura said:

This may be a dumb question, but given I'm struggling with SLSF not updating player fame (I've tried a lot of different things and no luck; AE using the 0.99 SE version, but also tried with AE using the 0.99 LE version, everything worked in SE as far as I remember (a month or two ago)), is there a list of trigger points for quests (specifically, rather than comments) so I can bump the levels?

The only Jarl quest that does anything (currently) beyond getting you a warning letter from the Jarl and a potential bounty is the Jarl quest in Markarth, which does have a sizable quest associated with it. That quest also starts with a warning letter from the Jarl, triggered when you are naked around NPCs in Markarth with SLSF Exhibitionism fame of 80+ and then gets you summoned to the Jarl when you are naked around guards in Markarth with SLSF Exhibitionism fame of 90+.  

Edited July 29, 2023 by Gristle

[Scautura]

7 minutes ago, Gristle said:

The only Jarl quest that does anything (currently) beyond getting you a warning letter from the Jarl and a potential bounty is the Jarl quest in Markarth, which does have a sizable quest associated with it. That quest also starts with a warning letter from the Jarl, triggered when you are naked around NPCs in Markarth with SLSF Exhibitionism fame of 80+ and then gets you summoned to the Jarl when you are naked around guards in Markarth with SLSF Exhibitionism fame of 90+.  

Awesome, thank you!

I'm still fighting with SLSF, but I think I'm closer. Doing a clean save/cleaning it with ReSaver helped, in case anyone's wondering.

[Dez65]

16 hours ago, Gristle said:

Next, I'm not sure where you are in the quest. Did you return with Rogen? If so, Rogen needs to be with you to get the next quest dialogue. If he's running a bit behind you, just wait a sec for him to catch up. Next, did you return with Lilly? Same thing for her. She has to be with you (meaning normal follower distance) to get the next quest dialogue. 

Hmmm.  I thought Rogen abandoned me after I brought him back to Markarth with the repaired axe, although he was near until recently.  I'll track him down and try again.  Thanks!

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Hmmm.  I thought Rogen abandoned me after I brought him back to Markarth with the repaired axe, although he was near until recently.  I'll track him down and try again.  Thanks!

No problem. He shouldn't stop following you until you report back (with him) to the Jarl. Of course, he might have got hung up somewhere. I had to wait hours once for him to show up after I fast traveled. You can always go back a save if he's really lost. Once you report back to the Jarl (with him), you'll get a new mission and Rogen will stop following you and will head off to the Silver-Blood Inn for a few drinks.

[Dez65]

15 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Hmmm.  I thought Rogen abandoned me after I brought him back to Markarth with the repaired axe, although he was near until recently.  I'll track him down and try again.  Thanks!

Brought Rogen with me to talk to the Jarl about the second quest.  Still no quest dialogues.  

 

Is the quest ID available, along with the quest stages?  Wanna try setstage.

[metanight78]

Question regarding the sisters in Markarth after one of the early quest sections.

 

Spoiler

After asking "the jarl has ordered..." on one of the sisters, are they supposed to stay nude forever, or  do they redress after a set amount of time? I have the Sisterhood of DIbella mod installed and I wasn't sure if it was interfering with this section.

 

[danna233]

Here is how it was. I still installed the version with jarls (before that I had the option without warnings) and this is what I found from Beletor. A fox is the size of a cow. Is this how it should be? I have not yet checked other foxes in the game, maybe they are all like that now. I don't have mods for creatures, I mean the ones that deal with dirty deeds. I tried to uninstall this giant fox, but my game crashed.

 

 

[ebbluminous]

5 minutes ago, danna233 said:

Here is how it was. I still installed the version with jarls (before that I had the option without warnings) and this is what I found from Beletor. A fox is the size of a cow. Is this how it should be? I have not yet checked other foxes in the game, maybe they are all like that now. I don't have mods for creatures, I mean the ones that deal with dirty deeds. I tried to uninstall this giant fox, but my game crashed.

 

 

 

Its a giant fox for me as well

[danna233]

Oh, I'm sorry, I wrote without understanding. Creatures can be disabled in the MСM. It's great, great feature. Well, if I didn't mix something up again. Checked the vanilla foxes, they're fine.

Edited August 1, 2023 by danna233

[Gristle]

On 7/30/2023 at 5:14 AM, Dez65 said:

Brought Rogen with me to talk to the Jarl about the second quest.  Still no quest dialogues.  

 

Is the quest ID available, along with the quest stages?  Wanna try setstage.

The quest name is SLSF_Comments_JarlLetterMA and quest stage 160 is the stage you are at when you are to return with Rogen to the Jarl of Markarth.

 

After the conversation with the Jarl, the quest advances to stage 190. So, you can skip the conversation with "setstage SLSF_Comments_JarlLetterMA 190" but then you won't get a disguise that is useful for the next part of the quest, because that is given to you in script fragments attached to the dialogue that you skipped. It's not necessary for the quest, however. Just be prepared for a tougher fight.

 

Or, you can give yourself those items:

 

player.additem SLSFC_ForswownCuirass 1

player.additem SLSFC_ForswownBoots 1

player.additem SLSFC_ForswownGauntlets 1

player.additem SLSFC_ForswownHelmet 1

[Gristle]

19 hours ago, metanight78 said:

Question regarding the sisters in Markarth after one of the early quest sections.

 

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After asking "the jarl has ordered..." on one of the sisters, are they supposed to stay nude forever, or  do they redress after a set amount of time? I have the Sisterhood of DIbella mod installed and I wasn't sure if it was interfering with this section.

 

Currently, they redress, I believe when you leave the cell. At the time I wrote this stage, I didn't know how to permanently change outfits. Now I do, so I can make it permanent if that's desired. That was actually my intent at the time. I just stripped them and didn't realize I actually had to change their outfit to make it permanent.

[Veldon]

Good to know.  ?

IMO it is good as it is. Permanent solutions might interfere with the Dibella mod and I like both mods.

 

The fox looks funny. I haven't noticed it. Rename the big one to Warg and keep it. ?

Edited August 1, 2023 by Veldon