SLSF Fame Comments Reloaded

[Gristle]

4 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Finished the Markarth exhibitionism questline yesterday, that was fun.  Are there more quests in the other holds, or is that the only one so far?   

That's the only one completed so far. I'm working on a beastiality fame-themed quest in Whiterun, and also have ideas for a exhibitionism/slut fame-themed quest in Solitude and a slut fame-themed quest in Riften.

[Gristle]

On 7/8/2023 at 1:56 AM, rm5ll said:

I'll try again tomorrow.  I did notice however, typing the command to list all stages in the quest (Player.sqs SLSF_Comments_JarlLetterMA), only showed a 0, a 10 and a 20 stage and no 30 even there that I could exploit if going back to an older save doesn't work. 

I just ran the same command and am seeing stages 0 through 410.

[Gristle]

On 7/8/2023 at 8:39 AM, foreveraloneguy said:

Been thinking about some ideas for this mod that fit the overall theme. What if when your fame in certain areas reaches a high enough level for certain types, you start getting approached for different scenarios? A guy with impotence who needs someone to help him get it up. A frigid woman who's never cum. A couple where the guy has cuckold fantasies, or for female player characters, has a bi-curious wife and he wants to watch, and maybe join in later. Or a couple where the wife wants to watch her husband with another woman. A woman who fantasizes about being assaulted while walking around town at night. Someone who can't get images of big strong beasts out of their head and needs help exploring those thoughts. BDSM fantasies, either as a sub or a dom, with maybe a chance to reverse the roles. Dialogue could be cheezy and funny, or serious, or a mix. Maybe even situations where the PC has some of these fantasies and approaches NPCs for help with them, but be careful. Approach the wrong NPC and maybe they report you to the guards for deviant behavior and you get thrown in prison, sold as a slave, or have to go through some kind of behavioral "therapy" to "correct" you.

It sounds like you're thinking of a series of mini-quests. Right now, I'm focused on creating larger fame-themed quests in each of the main holds. But... I envision each of these larger quests having mini side-quests or repeatable mini-quests that continue on after the main quest ends.  For example, the current Markarth exhibitionism-fame quest has many of the above elements, like a wife who cuckolds her husband, and another husband who likes to watch (both scenarios repeatable post main quest).  It also has (as a side quest) a woman who has sexual and exhibitionism fantasies while walking around town at night (this one is also repeatable post main quest). It also makes a an inn worker a prostitute that you can revisit, and also gives you sex dialogue options with eight other NPCs that continue on after the main quest.

 

I'm currently working on a beastiality-fame-themed main quest for Whiterun, and I hope for it to be similar, i.e., leaving behind new NPC dialogue choices post-quest with the NPCs involved in the quest. BDSM fantasies is trickier, because DD is not a dependency (and the ZaZ devices are pretty crude by comparison).  But perhaps magic can take the place of bindings to make a PC or NPC submit? Anyway, always happy to hear ideas.

 

[monty359]

hi Gristle, thanks for you work on the mods!

 

I have a small problem. After completing the dibella temple quest in solitude Vici is still following me like a companion, but without any companion dialogues. I think this is not working as intended. Any idea how i can correct it? Maybe some sort of resetting ai?

 

Thanks!

[foreveraloneguy]

@Gristle hmmm.. ok then. I'll keep trying to trigger those, I just haven't seen anything yet no matter how nasty I get in any of the cities or how high I get my fame.

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, monty359 said:

hi Gristle, thanks for you work on the mods!

 

I have a small problem. After completing the dibella temple quest in solitude Vici is still following me like a companion, but without any companion dialogues. I think this is not working as intended. Any idea how i can correct it? Maybe some sort of resetting ai?

 

Thanks!

You're welcome! According to her scripts, her 'follow' AI package is removed after you have the first conversation with her (about recruiting temple members) that takes place after the conversation with the ghost upstairs in the temple. At the end of that conversation, when she says she wants to look around temple more, her follow package is replaced with a 'sandbox' AI package to wander around the temple.  I don't know why her package didn't update. Can you go back to a save before that point and try it again?

 

Otherwise, I think you can try to get her to reevaluate her packages by clicking on her and typing "evp" in the console, or alternatively clicking on her and then "disable" and "enable". If all else fails, you can always "disable" her permanently, perhaps making note of her ID in case you ever want to enable her again.

Edited July 13, 2023 by Gristle

[Gristle]

3 hours ago, foreveraloneguy said:

@Gristle hmmm.. ok then. I'll keep trying to trigger those, I just haven't seen anything yet no matter how nasty I get in any of the cities or how high I get my fame.

All of the above are part of the Markarth quest, which is basically triggered by having 90+ Exhibitionism fame in Markarth and being naked in Markarth, which in turn will eventually trigger a courier (which arrives outside after a change of cells (e.g., indoor to outdoor)) with a complaint from the Jarl, and then continuing to be naked near guards will eventually trigger a summons to the Jarl, which kicks off the quest.

Edited July 13, 2023 by Gristle

[danna233]

Tell me, maybe someone knows if SLSF works with custom races. He worked well with the Breton, but she is not the character I want to play, my favorite is a succubus with horns and a tail. But I ran into a problem that the glory on it is reset to zero as soon as you leave the game.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

On 7/12/2023 at 7:52 PM, Gristle said:

That's the only one completed so far. I'm working on a beastiality fame-themed quest in Whiterun, and also have ideas for a exhibitionism/slut fame-themed quest in Solitude and a slut fame-themed quest in Riften.

One thing you could do as a stand-in until the other quests are complete is instead of the automatic bounty for exhibitionism in the non-quest (yet) holds, you could summon to Jarl via courier again and offer a choice, the bounty -or- (via soft-dependencies) enlist as the Public Whore, do some S.L.U.T.S. runs (the bounty can be passed to that mod), or something else.  I can't offhand think of a totally vanilla thing to have for those that don't have the other mods, but the Jarl could just be informing you of the bounty in that case I guess.  Then you walk two steps and get arrested.

 

Edit:  After posting this and getting back to playing, I went to do the Windhelm event in Public Whore and reviewed the MCM to make sure all the settings were right, and noticed something I forgot was in there. You can be forcibly recruited as PW if  your SLSF fames are high enough.  So you don't need to duplicate that on this side.

Edited July 14, 2023 by Naps-On-Dirt

[Gristle]

14 hours ago, danna233 said:

Tell me, maybe someone knows if SLSF works with custom races. He worked well with the Breton, but she is not the character I want to play, my favorite is a succubus with horns and a tail. But I ran into a problem that the glory on it is reset to zero as soon as you leave the game.

I've looked at the SLSF scripts some and I've never seen anything that checks the PC's race. But I've have noticed that sometimes when I switch profiles I have to reset the SLSF fame storages using the SLSF MCM debug command.

[Gristle]

11 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

One thing you could do as a stand-in until the other quests are complete is instead of the automatic bounty for exhibitionism in the non-quest (yet) holds, you could summon to Jarl via courier again and offer a choice, the bounty -or- (via soft-dependencies) enlist as the Public Whore, do some S.L.U.T.S. runs (the bounty can be passed to that mod), or something else.  I can't offhand think of a totally vanilla thing to have for those that don't have the other mods, but the Jarl could just be informing you of the bounty in that case I guess.  Then you walk two steps and get arrested.

 

Edit:  After posting this and getting back to playing, I went to do the Windhelm event in Public Whore and reviewed the MCM to make sure all the settings were right, and noticed something I forgot was in there. You can be forcibly recruited as PW if  your SLSF fames are high enough.  So you don't need to duplicate that on this side.

Yes, you can be forcibly recruited as PW when your SLSF fame scores get high. That's fine, but then if you become a PW through such means -- or any other -- then it no longer makes sense for this mod to send you a warning from the Jarl or a subsequent bounty.  Why would the Jarl be upset about the PW being a whore? So, maybe the fix is just to add code to disable the Jarl warning and bounty in any town where you are currently the PW. 

[danna233]

57 minutes ago, Gristle said:

Why would the Jarl be upset about the PW being a whore? So, maybe the fix is just to add code to disable the Jarl warning and bounty in any town where you are currently the PW. 

This is true. I'm currently using SLSF Fame Comments SE 2.1 NS because the jarl's warnings while you're doing dirty work on his orders look a bit ridiculous).

[Seeker999]

7 hours ago, Gristle said:

Why would the Jarl be upset about the PW being a whore?

 

6 hours ago, danna233 said:

This is true. I'm currently using SLSF Fame Comments SE 2.1 NS because the jarl's warnings while you're doing dirty work on his orders look a bit ridiculous).

The jarl isn't upset. The steward doesn't approve and slipped him the bounty/warning letter with other papers to sign. The guards aren't going to question the steward and the jarl has other things to think about than where that bounty money came from.

[danna233]

35 minutes ago, Seeker999 said:

The jarl isn't upset. The steward doesn't approve and slipped him the bounty/warning letter with other papers to sign. The guards aren't going to question the steward and the jarl has other things to think about than where that bounty money came from.

To be honest, I do not know when and under what conditions the warnings of the jarls are triggered, but I decided not to risk it. Since my whore usually hangs out in the palace, it would be wrong to send her warnings when she is always under the Jarl's nose)

[Seeker999]

Would it be possible to:

1. add a cooldown for the follower events? Sometimes my follower will strip me 2 or 3 times in as many minutes. Sometimes I switch off adventurous comments just to give me a break, but that's a bit jarring.
2. separate adventurous follower comments from events, enable them separately?
3. add events (rare) for non-adventurous follower: spanking, gag, chastity item, etc.

Figure it doesn't hurt to ask.

[Gristle]

12 hours ago, danna233 said:

This is true. I'm currently using SLSF Fame Comments SE 2.1 NS because the jarl's warnings while you're doing dirty work on his orders look a bit ridiculous).

That's fine but you can also use the newest version and use the MCM switch to disable the Jarl quests. That will turn off all such conflicting courier messages and bounties, though it will also disable the new Markarth quest.

[Gristle]

4 hours ago, Seeker999 said:

Would it be possible to:

1. add a cooldown for the follower events? Sometimes my follower will strip me 2 or 3 times in as many minutes. Sometimes I switch off adventurous comments just to give me a break, but that's a bit jarring.
2. separate adventurous follower comments from events, enable them separately?
3. add events (rare) for non-adventurous follower: spanking, gag, chastity item, etc.

Figure it doesn't hurt to ask.

All possible.

 

The follower event comments already have script fragments (to trigger the event) so it's not much overhead to add a cooldown variable to the script fragment. Of course, if stripping is occurring too frequently, maybe a simpler solution is for me to remove some of the stripping comments, or add a % check condition to make them less likely? In the game engine, all of these Hello and Idle comments are thrown into a big pot and drawn randomly, so the overall mix of possible comments has needed some tweaking from time to time to balance them out. What do you think about the simpler approach?

 

Adding an extra MCM switch (and corresponding condition) to all adventurous follower comments is also a simple matter. Now that the MCM has multiple pages, it's easier to present more MCM options.

 

As for events for non-adventurous followers, I can make them rare by adding a % check condition, but I would want them to be consistent with a disapproving or embarrassed follower. The problem with spanking animations is most of them also involve sex, which I think would be inconsistent. As for gags and chastity items, those make sense, particularly the chastity items, but I've always tried to put nothing in the mod that would interfere with general gameplay. Currently, the PC might get his or her hands tied, or a collar, or even a hood in rare cases, but these items don't have magic effects and can simply be unequipped. Of course, a chastity device doesn't interfere with vanilla Skyrim but it certainly interferes with a lot of LL mods. So, I could add chastity items but would not want them to have magic effects. Also, they would have to be ZaZ items, which are not nearly as nice, as DD is not a dependency. Thoughts?

[Seeker999]

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

Of course, if stripping is occurring too frequently, maybe a simpler solution is for me to remove some of the stripping comments, or add a % check condition to make them less likely?

I think a % chance is reasonable.

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

Adding an extra MCM switch (and corresponding condition) to all adventurous follower comments is also a simple matter. Now that the MCM has multiple pages, it's easier to present more MCM options.

Oh, good. I wasn't sure how easy it would be. I think a toggle switch in conjunction with the % chance is a good option. That way if, depending on other mods, it still happens too often then the user can toggle off the adventurous events w/o removing the adventurous flavor.

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

The problem with spanking animations is most of them also involve sex, which I think would be inconsistent.

Yeah, I thought of that. And I agree. I know there are some whipping animations which don't necessarily lead to sex, but they're too harsh - especially for a follower.

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

So, I could add chastity items but would not want them to have magic effects. Also, they would have to be ZaZ items, which are not nearly as nice, as DD is not a dependency.

Again, I agree. No magic effects. Even though a lot of people will have DD, I think they are too harsh(?), extreme(?) for what I'm thinking of. I see the items more as an overt expression of disapproval/embarrassed exasperation (not triggered until 95% fame category level), not something the dragonborn can't easily remove. And not for exhibition fame since that's too easy to get, imo.

If they're easy to remove they can add a sort of roleplay aspect, maybe keeping x item for a little while as a "well, maybe so-and-so is right", "leave it in til they calm down a little", "maybe I got some thinking to do" or removing it immediately as "get real", "yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever", "hey, it's not my fault" response. Nothing to program in, just whatever the user wants to do.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

Quick question about the Markarth questline.

 

Spoiler

After its over and you report back to the Jarl and he declares that because he can't have you disobeying him by constantly wearing revealing clothing, you are ordered to remain naked in Markarth.   But I forgot that after having been away for a few days, and when I went back I remembered after I had walked around the city a bit.  Is the nakedness enforced?  No guards have accosted me or reminded me.

 

[Gristle]

2 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Quick question about the Markarth questline.

 

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After its over and you report back to the Jarl and he declares that because he can't have you disobeying him by constantly wearing revealing clothing, you are ordered to remain naked in Markarth.   But I forgot that after having been away for a few days, and when I went back I remembered after I had walked around the city a bit.  Is the nakedness enforced?  No guards have accosted me or reminded me.

 

It is enforced. But it's enforced via five or six random guard comments, which are thrown into the mix of all possible random guard comments (including many others from this mod), so you won't always get caught. That said, I usually only make it across Markarth about half the time without getting caught. I believe the fine is 50GP. 

Edited July 17, 2023 by Gristle

[alain31]

Hi,
I allow myself to come and ask for help on this topic because i see that the author of fame comment sometimes helps people who have a problem with Sex Lab - Sexual Fame 'Framework.
The Sex Lab - Sexual Fame Framework mod seems to work for a lot of people but i see some problems for some people including myself unfortunately.
When the mod is initialized for the first time it works very well i gain fame, but as soon as i leave the game and load a save it no longer works, i no longer gain fame.
I of course uncheck the unknown option to be sure that there is no interference.
I'm on skyrim se version and after seeing some comments saying that the oldrim version works better than the se conversion, i tried it but it didn't change anything.

If Sex Lab - Sexual Fame Framework does not work slsf fame comment is useless.
Your mod is really great i would like it to work for me.
Tell me if you have a solution to this kind of problem, i can send you my log if you want.
Thanks.

[metanight78]

I'm having a weird issue with the final part of the Markarth quest. When I finished it the first time I was unable to get Lilly to stay in the temple like others have reported (I'm on LE edition of both the mod and game). I restarted an earlier save and did the same actions again and it fixed itself, however the "would you like to practice the dibelian arts?" line no longer shows up when talking to the members of the temple. Where it did in the first, bugged, attempt.

 

What are the requirements for that dialog option to appear with the members of the Solitude temple? Also, I started the quest with the KS hair patch, but disabled it because it was the only way I could fix the dark face glitch.

Edited July 22, 2023 by metanight78

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, alain31 said:

Hi,
I allow myself to come and ask for help on this topic because i see that the author of fame comment sometimes helps people who have a problem with Sex Lab - Sexual Fame 'Framework.
The Sex Lab - Sexual Fame Framework mod seems to work for a lot of people but i see some problems for some people including myself unfortunately.
When the mod is initialized for the first time it works very well i gain fame, but as soon as i leave the game and load a save it no longer works, i no longer gain fame.
I of course uncheck the unknown option to be sure that there is no interference.
I'm on skyrim se version and after seeing some comments saying that the oldrim version works better than the se conversion, i tried it but it didn't change anything.

If Sex Lab - Sexual Fame Framework does not work slsf fame comment is useless.
Your mod is really great i would like it to work for me.
Tell me if you have a solution to this kind of problem, i can send you my log if you want.
Thanks.

I'm running the converted SE version of SLSF and I've never had that issue with many many profiles. I'm still on SE though and have never run AE, though I'm building a new PC and will be moving to AE soon.  The only things I can think of are a mod conflict or some SLSF dependency got updated and the update is causing an issue. Here are the versions of the SLSF dependencies that I am currently running:

 

SkyUI v5.2
UIExtensions v1.2.0
Fuz Ro D-oh  v1.7 (but use 2.1 for AE)
SexLab v1.63Beta8
Zaz v8.0+ (but v7.0 worked fine as well)
SexLab Aroused Redux v29

 

Otherwise, I would use the SLSF debug options in the SLSF MCM to reset the fame storages and see if that helps.

[Gristle]

4 hours ago, metanight78 said:

I'm having a weird issue with the final part of the Markarth quest. When I finished it the first time I was unable to get Lilly to stay in the temple like others have reported (I'm on LE edition of both the mod and game). I restarted an earlier save and did the same actions again and it fixed itself, however the "would you like to practice the dibelian arts?" line no longer shows up when talking to the members of the temple. Where it did in the first, bugged, attempt.

 

What are the requirements for that dialog option to appear with the members of the Solitude temple? Also, I started the quest with the KS hair patch, but disabled it because it was the only way I could fix the dark face glitch.

I just checked the "Would you like to practice..." dialogue in the Markarth quest and it looks like I made a mistake. That dialogue has a condition that the speaker has to be in the Markarth Temple of Dibella faction and I meant for the condition to be the Solitude Temple of Dibella faction. I will fix in the next version. It does make me wonder how the dialogue worked in the previous attempt. The other relevant condition is that you have to be at the stage that's set after you have the final ("It looks like we are going to have a full temple!") conversation with Lilly.

[metanight78]

25 minutes ago, Gristle said:

I just checked the "Would you like to practice..." dialogue in the Markarth quest and it looks like I made a mistake. That dialogue has a condition that the speaker has to be in the Markarth Temple of Dibella faction and I meant for the condition to be the Solitude Temple of Dibella faction. I will fix in the next version. It does make me wonder how the dialogue worked in the previous attempt. The other relevant condition is that you have to be at the stage that's set after you have the final ("It looks like we are going to have a full temple!") conversation with Lilly.

I'm not sure either to be honest. The save I returned to was once the PC and Lilly left the Four Shields in Dragon's Bridge and headed towards Solitude, (before the stage with the Stormcloaks. It might have been something to do with the KShair patch since that was the one thing that changed between my attempts. Also just to check, is the Markarth temple faction the vanilla one, or the Sisterhood of Dibella mod? I have that mod installed if that makes a difference.

 

Edit: just remembered something else.

I started the "joining the sisterhood" quest before leaving for Solitude, but did not get past the first part of it. I'll go further down that quest line and see what happens to my current save.

Edited July 22, 2023 by metanight78