27X Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/1/2020 at 1:34 PM, donttouchmethere said: ⚠️ Beherit seem to have some evil custom skeleton. ☠️ ? The last time my FPS dropped that hard, chuck norris was born. ? Beherit is a child and has no business being on this site.
donttouchmethere Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, 27X said: Beherit is a child and has no business being on this site. sketchy ? Would explain that odd skeleton! Speaks for my naivity ? Looked more like Yaoi ?
Vylvie Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, 27X said: Beherit is a child and has no business being on this site. Just had time to test the file. On being child-like: In the console, the race is just set as Beherit Race. She uses the FemaleCommander voice type. (Same as Aela, Legate Rikke, and Adrianne Avenicci) Well.. we are talking bout a horned, winged, red-skinned follower here. She isn't as all as most characters, but is not as short as the child race either. Unless the author comes out to clarify, or if there is some way to verify the files, I don't think there is a way to pinpoint whether shes a child or just a petite follower. Edit: As mentioned earlier, I am merely providing a link to a thread here in LL (which, as of writing, is still standing). If the moderators deem this file in violation of Rule 14, removal of the original thread will render my links useless. 1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said: Would explain that odd skeleton! Huh, during my test I did not find FPS drops. Granted, all I did was summon Beherit and a bunch of enemies in the LAL cell using placeatme. How did you figured it was the custom skeletons? ?
donttouchmethere Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Vylvie said: How did you figured it was the custom skeletons? ? Only from experience with other followers that cause lag if they come with an own skeleton. Means as long as you are close to them they kill the fps by about 15-30, as soon as you are further away the fps drop recovers. The fps drop starts slow and rises over time. Not all custom skeletons cause that, but Beherit caused it for me. 10 minutes ago, Vylvie said: On being child-like: I see it the same way. But I think X27 got touched by a child skeleton in his early years. He never fully recovered from that experience. 1
Vylvie Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: The fps drop starts slow and rises over time. Maybe I didn't test it enough then, haha. 22 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: touched by a child skeleton in his early years Spoiler Boo! ?
27X Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, Vylvie said: Just had time to test the file. On being child-like: In the console, the race is just set as Beherit Race. She uses the FemaleCommander voice type. (Same as Aela, Legate Rikke, and Adrianne Avenicci) Well.. we are talking bout a horned, winged, red-skinned follower here. She isn't as all as most characters, but is not as short as the child race either. Unless the author comes out to clarify, or if there is some way to verify the files, I don't think there is a way to pinpoint whether shes a child or just a petite follower. Edit: As mentioned earlier, I am merely providing a link to a thread here in LL (which, as of writing, is still standing). If the moderators deem this file in violation of Rule 14, removal of the original thread will render my links useless. Huh, during my test I did not find FPS drops. Granted, all I did was summon Beherit and a bunch of enemies in the LAL cell using placeatme. How did you figured it was the custom skeletons? ? Mod started on a japanese loli site and was moved to ATF. Changing the voice and NPC type doesn't change what the mod was intended to be and the EN_Hawk skeleton pretty much removes any argument thereof. Same with Raeza. Giving her angry lady voice doesn't hide the loli skeleton or mesh.
donttouchmethere Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 My setup seems child/faery/too-tiny-tits skeleton/mesh proof. As soon as I install one of those, FPS child protection kicks in ? 9 minutes ago, Vylvie said: Maybe I didn't test it enough then, haha. Maybe, or your setup has more tolerance? LAL cell isn't a hardcore test tho ^^ Maybe I should have spawned her too? Anyways, if she has a skeleton/meshes that interfere with my setup I can't ignore that. With nearly 300 followers ingame I also don't think more are needed lol. She is in a cage near whiterun, closing in on her caused lag right away. Added her to a full party of adult elves and she started to steal my fps with her demonic powers, until I was down to 10fps (from 60). Leaving her behind only a few 1000 units recovered the fps back to 60. Giving her any outfit removed her wings (seems they belong to the skeleton or meshes, couldn't see them in inventory with "remove underlying" outfit)
Vylvie Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, 27X said: Mod started on ATF Correct me if I am wrong, but do you mean Amazing Follower Tweaks (AFT)? If so then isn't it just a mod to manage followers? 13 minutes ago, 27X said: Hawk skeleton pretty much removes any argument thereof. Unfortunately, I don't have much experience with the skeletons. What is this hawk skeleton you speak of? 13 minutes ago, 27X said: Same with Raeza. Giving her angry lady voice doesn't hide the loli skeleton or mesh. Loverslab does have a rule against child content, but not against petite followers no? And this Raeza follower seems considerably more child-like than Beherit, but I get that perception is subjective. If you do think that the content is problematic, do feel free to report it to the moderators. After all, there is no point in us arguing about what we think is correct, as neither of us can be the judge. The link is here.
Vylvie Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: As soon as I install one of those, FPS child protection kicks in ? Lmao good guy FPS, keeping you away from troubles. ? 7 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: With nearly 300 followers ingame I also don't think more are needed lol. Woah 300?! You trying to be Leonidas or something? ? I've seen many good looking follower mods, but for the most part I don't really use them. Essential followers feel kinda cheaty, and non-essentials makes me feel shitty when I inevitably kill them by mistake or get them killed
27X Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Vylvie said: perception is subjective. Nothing subjective about the original mod. Nothing subjective about the where the mesh and skeleton came from, never mind standard sliders can't hit those proportions on any day of the week but ATF ones can, because they're meant to.
Vylvie Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, 27X said: but ATF ones can, because they're meant to. The heck, I've never even heard of ATF before this. Even google just returns a bunch of AFT results, and some misspelled 'ATF' threads here on LL. Though, just because someone uses their resources, does not mean they cannot create an adult follower. Same thing if they were to start hosting bearded old man followers, it does not automatically make it a child content, regardless of what the site usually caters to. 36 minutes ago, 27X said: Nothing subjective about the original mod. As far as the whether Beherit falls under child or petite follower, you seem to have a very firm stand on it. Report it, and ultimately it is really up to the moderator's standpoint. If they agree with you, they will close the thread and that will be the end of the story.
Mez558 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Vylvie said: Loverslab does have a rule against child content, but not against petite followers no? Actually Yes it does, when nudity is involved. Rule #14 As I said earlier, that character has child like proportions, large head, small body(height), flat chest and narrow hips. Here's a test for you, install the mod and try to interact with the NPC using SL. I bet it doesn't work. The EN_Hawk skeleton 27X mention, I'd never heard of but I am pretty certain that "EN_" is for for ENfant and it was used to use in mods like CoTS and RCoTS which both apparently had this issue with FPS drops. 38 minutes ago, Vylvie said: The heck, I've never even heard of ATF before this Was going to say, don't click that link... In fact I am surprised it's even allowed 42 minutes ago, Vylvie said: As far as the whether Beherit falls under child or petite follower, you seem to have a very firm stand on it. Report it, and ultimately it is really up to the moderator's standpoint. If they agree with you, they will close the thread and that will be the end of the story. You are right and wrong. Yes, it is subjective how we see this follower. Ignoring any evidence of assets used. However, the reason the follower was made, the lore behind it's race or any such race (see Tera Elin as an example) makes no difference. Rule 14 isn't about censorship, it's about protecting the site and users of this site. Backstory, lore or whatever is not important, what is important is that to an "outsider" or one of the many that was like to see this site taken down, that is a CG image of a naked child in Cosplay. I have now reported the original thread, like I should have done when I first saw it. Not this thread (or you, you just linked an existing thread and are only playing Devil's Advocate here, the way I see it) I mean the thread where the follower was uploaded and 2 or 3 people are asking for this follower to be ported to SSE ??
Vylvie Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mez558 said: Actually Yes it does, when nudity is involved. Rule #14 Huh, I've gone through the guideline before, but not the extended clarification provided by Ashal. Thanks for the info. 29 minutes ago, Mez558 said: Here's a test for you, install the mod and try to interact with the NPC using SL. I bet it doesn't work. Re-installed, tested, and it seems to show up o-o Spoiler 35 minutes ago, Mez558 said: The EN_Hawk skeleton 27X mention, I'd never heard of but I am pretty certain that "EN_" is for for ENfant and it was used to use in mods like CoTS and RCoTS which both apparently had this issue with FPS drops. I see, thanks for clarifying. I'm not a modder myself, and have practically zero knowledge on the skeleton types, save for whats needed to run the dependant mods. 40 minutes ago, Mez558 said: what is important is that to an "outsider" or one of the many that was like to see this site taken down, that is a CG image of a naked child in Cosplay. That was what started the discussion. We did not mention anything in regards to the lore or backstory of the follower. My point is purely in regards to the perception of what is child-like. Let's say a female breton follower that is flat-chested at 0.9 scale. Whether one sees it as a prepubescent teen or an adult is really on the eyes of the beholder. No one can say for sure what an "outsider" will think. Hence, as I have reiterated times and again, it comes down to what the moderators think. If anyone on LL sees a content they feel is questionable, report it, and have the moderators decide on whether it is staying or going. Having an argument with people that did not create or upload the file to begin with does nothing to help. 56 minutes ago, Mez558 said: I have now reported the original thread Just checked, the original thread has been removed. 59 minutes ago, Mez558 said: playing Devil's Advocate Praise to Lord Sanguine, prince of debauchery and hedonism!? 1
sar12 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Posted June 4, 2020 Ok now,posted this because I wanted some good follower mods not so that people can argue about it buttttt, in this case it was very much worth it if that really was meant to be a child follower I will not complain as it was for the greater good but I would appreciate it very much if you could post some beautiful female followers for the clutter(once again I am not complaining, I just see an opportunity to get some fine followers) so please if you find this request acceptable post some of the prettiest female followers here, thank you 1
donttouchmethere Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Vylvie said: Re-installed, tested, and it seems to show up o-o Same here, just because she is short doesn't mean she isn't a daemon anymore ^^ Okay, you made me curious. What mod adds the dialogue option to *stare at her tits*? I guess it only starts small talk right? 6 hours ago, Vylvie said: Woah 300?! You trying to be Leonidas or something? It just happened, wouldn't even know without SLS. I use mostly follower packs to fill those empty taverns with life and have some travel the land. Also with all those devious mods I often loose my whole party and need to get some replacement quickly! (I roleplay that I have to collect them all again instead of just clicking on "summon all" and "followers wait forever") With NFF I can only have 10 at any time. Never thought I need that many, but it seems my actual setup is too hard without them, at least in the wilderness.
Mez558 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Same here, just because she is short doesn't mean she isn't a daemon anymore ^^ Okay, you made me curious. What mod adds the dialogue option to *stare at her tits*? I guess it only starts small talk right? I didn't really want to continue with derailing this thread but... That dialogue is not from SL Framework. If it lets you follow it through with animations then I would say I either completely misunderstood how the "child" protection works in SL or it just doesn't work. The way I understood it is any character below 0.93 in scale (and Beherit is 0.8) would stop SL from working. Unless a patch is applied to remove these, in which case of course the test wouldn't work.
Varithina Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mez558 said: I didn't really want to continue with derailing this thread but... That dialogue is not from SL Framework. If it lets you follow it through with animations then I would say I either completely misunderstood how the "child" protection works in SL or it just doesn't work. The way I understood it is any character below 0.93 in scale (and Beherit is 0.8) would stop SL from working. Unless a patch is applied to remove these, in which case of course the test wouldn't work. From what I can tell it is scale and keywords, as I have run scale 0.7 or so normal nords and not had any problems. I had decided to try a very short ass female, I got kinda put off when finding my self face to face with a bog standard wolf, especially as something in that set up, changed the amount of knock back you could get, damn things were pushing me around like I was nothing, which got tedious after a bit.
donttouchmethere Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Mez558 said: That dialogue is not from SL Framework. How many dialogues do you know that get added by SLF?^^ So far SLF only adds debug spells to start anything, right? 18 minutes ago, Mez558 said: "child" protection works in SL I have no clue either. I wouldn't even try if it looks like a child, speaks like one and also has child dialogues ? I also highly doubt Vylvie would even try an obvious child character, same goes for sar12 Wouldn't a child follower also become deactivated if I choose in SLSF "remove child actors"? 19 minutes ago, Mez558 said: character below 0.93 in scale Guess that isn't character height in race menu? My PC is sometimes 0.9 in size and my followers come on all sizes and forms, so far that didn't stop SLF from working.
Mez558 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 Not going to derail Sar12's thread any further response here regarding Beherit etc 1
Vylvie Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: What mod adds the dialogue option to *stare at her tits*? Thats from Monoman1's Milk addict. Lets you milk npc if they have any milk. I will also move any further discussion to Mez558's thread to prevent further inconvenience to Sar12. 1
sar12 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mez558 said: Not going to derail Sar12's thread any further response here regarding Beherit etc It's no problem, like i always say, do whatever you wanna do cost is a beautiful follower, link with sc to be posted here and you'll always have my love
Harvald Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 12 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: Maybe, or your setup has more tolerance? LAL cell isn't a hardcore test tho ^^ Maybe I should have spawned her too? Anyways, if she has a skeleton/meshes that interfere with my setup I can't ignore that. With nearly 300 followers ingame I also don't think more are needed lol. 300 ridiculos I have more than 1.500 in stock and far more than 300 installed. I have more than 150 uploaded here on LL , so I think half you followers are mine the problem is I can't remember them all. They come and go. Here two more girls: Artanis Download https://mega.nz/file/FboCESZT#wQSdyeEcCuYwhrlMEVuQsC6CPFj_aiZoLEinkNmqfvk Andreth Download: https://mega.nz/file/IHpywTCS#GQFwztldj2kcU-SdDbekD5W5Y8PPz7ZWJNHlhDVwMsE 1
donttouchmethere Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Harvald said: 300 ridiculos I have more than 1.500 in stock and far more than 300 installed. I have more than 150 uploaded here on LL , so I think half you followers are mine the problem is I can't remember them all. They come and go. I agree. 300 is just enough to defend a mountain pass ? Spoiler 3 hours ago, Harvald said: Here two more girls: I can see now why female NPCs eat bread all the time ?
Varithina Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, sar12 said: Here is ma favourite man, BTW can you please tell me how you use so many mods ? As far as I know 255 esps ar the limit right Or something like that, then how is it possible that people are running more mods than that? More than likely they merge them.
donttouchmethere Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, sar12 said: And how is that done? I started a blog about it. Maybe it gives you some inside. It's about Merge Plugins. Alternative is zEDIT
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