slide CTD

[Garagulu]

Hi everyone i have theese strange bugs...

-When i go on "age slide" of race menu the game crash

-When i look thought the list of zaz equipment game crash

-When try to enter helgen cave/keep (alternate starts mod) the game crash

 

i use vortex/loot/wryebash/tes5edit/Skse/crashfix/safetyload/FNIS/Bodyslide

 

bodyslide "batch-builded" equipment with morph (deafult location, maybe it is wrong i do not know)

also noticed bodyslide cannot find "zaz/DDx" bsa in settings>>Data file (maybe it's ok)

 

can't find a solution by myself,  i tryed and tryed again...if someone want help me would be appreciated,,,thx

 

load order.txt

[Grey Cloud]

You say you have LOOT. Have you tried running it? That load order is a mess.

If you do not have the stability tools properly configured, that load order will cause constant CTDs.

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

 

1 hour ago, Garagulu said:

-When i go on "age slide" of race menu the game crash

What 'age slider'?

[Garagulu]

9 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

 

What 'age slider'?

Slide Age is a slide of the race menu where u can change the age of your PC

 

I use loot always obviously, why is a mess?

[GenioMaestro]

12 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

that load order will cause constant CTDs.

NOT. The order of the plugings inside the Load Order never, absolutelly NEVER can cause the CTD.

 

You can order the plugings in an alphabetical way and that only can cause malfunctions in the mod's derived from the bad overwrites of the records inside the ESM's and ESP's and that NEVER can cause CTD.

 

The ESP/ESM files are pure data and nothing inside it can cause the CTD, except faulting masters and references to deleted records. That files are generated with CK and is imposible create an ESP that cause CTD.

 

The CTD are caused always bad mesh or bad DLL's or memory problems.

[GenioMaestro]

13 hours ago, Garagulu said:

When i go on "age slide" of race menu the game crash

The Age slider is created and defined by RaceMenu. Revise the installation of RaceMenu and be sure none other mod overwite RaceMenu.

 

13 hours ago, Garagulu said:

When i look thought the list of zaz equipment game crash

If your game make CTD while you use AddItemMenu for see the ZAZ items in the list, whitout equip it, is a problem in a mesh. Revise the instalation of ZAZ and be sure you are ussing the correct version for your game. Not try run the Special Edition of ZAZ inside you Legendary Edition of the game.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

13 hours ago, Garagulu said:

Hi everyone i have theese strange bugs...

-When i go on "age slide" of race menu the game crash

-When i look thought the list of zaz equipment game crash

-When try to enter helgen cave/keep (alternate starts mod) the game crash

 

i use vortex/loot/wryebash/tes5edit/Skse/crashfix/safetyload/FNIS/Bodyslide

 

bodyslide "batch-builded" equipment with morph (deafult location, maybe it is wrong i do not know)

also noticed bodyslide cannot find "zaz/DDx" bsa in settings>>Data file (maybe it's ok)

 

can't find a solution by myself,  i tryed and tryed again...if someone want help me would be appreciated,,,thx

 

load order.txt 5.53 kB · 3 downloads

How long have you used Vortex? and how did you mod your game before Vortex,NMM? 

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

57 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

NOT. The order of the plugings inside the Load Order never, absolutelly NEVER can cause the CTD.

I didn't say the order of the plug-ins would cause CTDs. I said that unless the stability tools were correctly set up then 'that load order', meaning the mods in that load order would cause CTDs.  To be clear, I meant that all those large problematic mods, e.g. Delzaron's mods.

 

3 hours ago, Garagulu said:

I use loot always obviously

It is not obvious because I have never seen a LOOT generated load order which puts things in such an alphabetical order. It is a 'mess' because of the mods you have installed.

 

What tab is the age slider under? I couldn't find it.

[Garagulu]

55 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

The Age slider is created and defined by RaceMenu. Revise the installation of RaceMenu and be sure none other mod overwite RaceMenu.

 

If your game make CTD while you use AddItemMenu for see the ZAZ items in the list, whitout equip it, is a problem in a mesh. Revise the instalation of ZAZ and be sure you are ussing the correct version for your game. Not try run the Special Edition of ZAZ inside you Legendary Edition of the game.

Strange thing, reinstalled zaz anf the problem still persist and race menu is overwriting conflicts in vortex

[Garagulu]

50 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said:

How long have you used Vortex? and how did you mod your game before Vortex,NMM? 

 

 

Time ago was nmm, than  vortex, always.

And is the first time i have theese kind of problems with theese mods

[Garagulu]

34 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I didn't say the order of the plug-ins would cause CTDs. I said that unless the stability tools were correctly set up then 'that load order', meaning the mods in that load order would cause CTDs.  To be clear, I meant that all those large problematic mods, e.g. Delzaron's mods.

 

It is not obvious because I have never seen a LOOT generated load order which puts things in such an alphabetical order. It is a 'mess' because of the mods you have installed.

 

What tab is the age slider under? I couldn't find it.

Vortex auto sort plugins, than when in start loot it check load order and change nothing

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

9 minutes ago, Garagulu said:

Time ago was nmm, than  vortex, always.

And is the first time i have theese kind of problems with theese mods

Did you verify integrity of game files,through steam, prior to installing Vortex? 

[Psalam]

1 hour ago, Garagulu said:

Vortex auto sort plugins, than when in start loot it check load order and change nothing

What might help though is if you were to open LOOT, find the icon in the upper right hand corner (it looks like 3 vertical dots or buttons) on the blue bar and click it. That will copy your load order (as LOOT understands it to be) on to your clipboard. Then, come back here and paste it (Ctrl+V) - preferably in a spoiler.

 

I agree with what it sounds like Grey Cloud is getting at, something appears to be overwriting or otherwise impacting your RaceMenu (is your SKSE up to date?). (You can look for the latest version on GitHub).

[seanthiar]

2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

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What tab is the age slider under? I couldn't find it.

If you start vanilla skyrim you'll find it under the face tab. In my development system it is at the last position in the list named "Age" and does some weird morphing of the face with dropping eyes and cheekbones. If you install Caliente and bodyslide and let them put the addon in racemenu the slider disappears. Thats maybe why you don't recognize the "Age"-slider

 

@Garagulu Sorry to say that but in my book Vortex does not sort, Vortex does make a mess. I had many problems with skyrim where I found that the cause was Vortex, like overwriting things it shouldn't. I had the feel that it was overstrained with changing loadorder and installorder if you did use/installed/deinstalled many mods. The rules windows is unclear and not helpful to find problems. The best would be to backup savegames you want to save, look for another mod manager (NMM or MO1/2 - I prefer MO2) and reinstall without Vortex.

 

But to fix your problem in your existing environment I would start the program loot, not just a client for loot. It will give you an output with warnings and errors. You should read all warning and errors and the links loot gives you. Some programs need you to follow an installorder and other need a defined loadorder and some are just incompatible. Just follow the the rules loot gives you and change load- and installorder that it fits what loot wants.

[Grey Cloud]

4 minutes ago, seanthiar said:

If you install Caliente and bodyslide and let them put the addon in racemenu the slider disappears. Thats maybe why you don't recognize the "Age"-slider

Thanks. That would make sense. I had a vague memory of the drooping eyes thing. ?

[faky]

17 hours ago, Garagulu said:

Hi everyone i have theese strange bugs...

-When i go on "age slide" of race menu the game crash

-When i look thought the list of zaz equipment game crash

-When try to enter helgen cave/keep (alternate starts mod) the game crash

 

i use vortex/loot/wryebash/tes5edit/Skse/crashfix/safetyload/FNIS/Bodyslide

 

bodyslide "batch-builded" equipment with morph (deafult location, maybe it is wrong i do not know)

also noticed bodyslide cannot find "zaz/DDx" bsa in settings>>Data file (maybe it's ok)

 

can't find a solution by myself,  i tryed and tryed again...if someone want help me would be appreciated,,,thx

 

load order.txt 5.53 kB · 4 downloads

do you have ENBoost/ENB? do you have UseOSAllocators set to 1 in crashfix ini?

[Garagulu]

7 hours ago, Heroine of the Night said:

Did you verify integrity of game files,through steam, prior to installing Vortex? 

Yup, it say " one file to download" but it never download it

[Garagulu]

5 hours ago, faky said:

do you have ENBoost/ENB? do you have UseOSAllocators set to 1 in crashfix ini?

Yes both, and allocators=1

[Garagulu]

8 hours ago, Psalam said:

What might help though is if you were to open LOOT, find the icon in the upper right hand corner (it looks like 3 vertical dots or buttons) on the blue bar and click it. That will copy your load order (as LOOT understands it to be) on to your clipboard. Then, come back here and paste it (Ctrl+V) - preferably in a spoiler.

 

I agree with what it sounds like Grey Cloud is getting at, something appears to be overwriting or otherwise impacting your RaceMenu (is your SKSE up to date?). (You can look for the latest version on GitHub).

This is loot order

-skse is up to date

Mod list 2.txt

[Garagulu]

6 hours ago, seanthiar said:

If you start vanilla skyrim you'll find it under the face tab. In my development system it is at the last position in the list named "Age" and does some weird morphing of the face with dropping eyes and cheekbones. If you install Caliente and bodyslide and let them put the addon in racemenu the slider disappears. Thats maybe why you don't recognize the "Age"-slider

 

@Garagulu Sorry to say that but in my book Vortex does not sort, Vortex does make a mess. I had many problems with skyrim where I found that the cause was Vortex, like overwriting things it shouldn't. I had the feel that it was overstrained with changing loadorder and installorder if you did use/installed/deinstalled many mods. The rules windows is unclear and not helpful to find problems. The best would be to backup savegames you want to save, look for another mod manager (NMM or MO1/2 - I prefer MO2) and reinstall without Vortex.

 

But to fix your problem in your existing environment I would start the program loot, not just a client for loot. It will give you an output with warnings and errors. You should read all warning and errors and the links loot gives you. Some programs need you to follow an installorder and other need a defined loadorder and some are just incompatible. Just follow the the rules loot gives you and change load- and installorder that it fits what loot wants.

I don't express myself about vortex cause i am not experienced enough...always used it without problem until now i don't know if vortex and loot sorting is different what i know is loot does not apply changes to vortex sorting so i assume loot find vortex acceptable (it's just an hypotesis)

 

what do u mean by starting "LOOT Program not just a client"? i have loot installed, it check/sort load order and evaluate problems

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, Garagulu said:

This is loot order

And notice how unalphabetical it is now.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

15 hours ago, Garagulu said:

Yup, it say " one file to download" but it never download it

that helps rule out some things, having had done that in between the 2 mod managers, the 1 file being needed is common and has been reported to be normal/acceptable 

 

I got to ask, did you clean your master files with xEdit after verifying your files? If not you need to, if so we know your data folder should be good. 

 

 

I'm trying to remember, 1 time i had skse file acting goofy, it was a particular skse based plugin that was making shit get goofy. Basically 1 of your mods with an skse folder in it is throwing off your skse, current idea.

 

 

[Garagulu]

16 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

And notice how unalphabetical it is now.

The one u saw came from wrye bash, honestly i don't understand why it was alphabetical(just the list i pasted, the real load order was numerical)

[Garagulu]

3 hours ago, Heroine of the Night said:

that helps rule out some things, having had done that in between the 2 mod managers, the 1 file being needed is common and has been reported to be normal/acceptable 

 

I got to ask, did you clean your master files with xEdit after verifying your files? If not you need to, if so we know your data folder should be good. 

 

 

I'm trying to remember, 1 time i had skse file acting goofy, it was a particular skse based plugin that was making shit get goofy. Basically 1 of your mods with an skse folder in it is throwing off your skse, current idea.

 

 

Uh i undesrtand the thing ok skse! I'll check

Yea cleaned master with Tes5edit, but don't Remember wich before validation and wich After honestly....

This "missing" of 1 validation file is a big problem or a steam bug?

[Grey Cloud]

6 minutes ago, Garagulu said:

The one u saw came from wrye bash, honestly i don't understand why it was alphabetical(just the list i pasted, the real load order was numerical)

So you have WB, Vortex and LOOT all trying to sort? Use one.