how will this effect loverslab?

[Jansen2]

24 minutes ago, winny257 said:

No, I meant this organization.
CENTER FOR FOOD SAFETY (CFS)

https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/about-us

 

?

[Miss AshleyJ]

I never heard for this "Center for Food Safety" and I am an American with a degree in Political Science and Government, so If I've never heard of it, it's not going to be telling me what I can and can't eat.

 

From some googling, this "Stiftung Warentest" is more in line with "Consumer Reports", a privately (run by a not for profit corporation) published magazine, than the FDA, which is an actual arm of the United States Federal Government (within the Cabinet level "Department of Health and Human Services"), so anything they deiced carries the weight of law. 

 

The actual comparison for the FDA in Germany would be the "Bundesinstitut für Arzneimittel und Medizinprodukte"

[Jansen2]

15 hours ago, KamenRiderzero1 said:

I never heard for this "Center for Food Safety" and I am an American with a degree in Political Science and Government, so If I've never heard of it, it's not going to be telling me what I can and can't eat.

 

From some googling, this "Stiftung Warentest" is more in line with "Consumer Reports", a privately (run by a not for profit corporation) published magazine, than the FDA, which is an actual arm of the United States Federal Government (within the Cabinet level "Department of Health and Human Services"), so anything they deiced carries the weight of law. 

 

The actual comparison for the FDA in Germany would be the "Bundesinstitut für Arzneimittel und Medizinprodukte"

 

Correct.

 

The Stiftung Warentest group was setup by the german government (but independent of) to provide an unbiased apolitical review of services and goods; the group that winny brought up from the US is a political advocacy group from the sounds of their own website but a claim was made that they are the legal authority on what can and cannot be sold/added to foods (hence why I said she maybe means the FDA) and the insinuation that what they say should be taken as absolute canonical fact, and then further claiming they are as the Stiftung Warentest organisation here in Germany; which reduces the value of their service to german society.

I drew no comparisons between the FDA and Stiftung Warentest myself, they're not at all the same thing; simply positing that perhaps winny meant them. ?

[winny257]

2 hours ago, Jansen2 said:

 

Correct.

 

The Stiftung Warentest group was setup by the german government (but independent of) to provide an unbiased apolitical review of services and goods; the group that winny brought up from the US is a political advocacy group from the sounds of their own website but a claim was made that they are the legal authority on what can and cannot be sold/added to foods (hence why I said she maybe means the FDA) and the insinuation that what they say should be taken as absolute canonical fact, and then further claiming they are as the Stiftung Warentest organisation here in Germany; which reduces the value of their service to german society.

I drew no comparisons between the FDA and Stiftung Warentest myself, they're not at all the same thing; simply positing that perhaps winny meant them. ?

du sagst Stiftung Warentest kümmert Genmanipulierte Nahrung nicht.
jetzt nicht schlucken. 

 

https://www.test.de/Gentechnik-in-Lebensmitteln-Kaum-noch-drin-1034036-1034233/

https://www.test.de/Gentechnik-So-viel-ist-schon-in-unserem-Essen-4668882-0/

https://www.test.de/Gentechnik-in-Soja-Lebensmitteln-So-viel-steckt-drin-4127284-4127289/

https://www.test.de/essen-trinken/lebensmittel/tests/

 

ich habe diese Amerikanische Organisation nur aufgeführt, weil was dort geschrieben wurde, für mich vernünftig klingt.
ich bin kein Amerikaner und kann mich nur an Fakten im Internet halten.
aber deutschland Stiftung Warentest, habe ich persönliche Beziehungen. 

[winny257]

18 hours ago, KamenRiderzero1 said:

The actual comparison for the FDA in Germany would be the "Bundesinstitut für Arzneimittel und Medizinprodukte"

Bundesinstitut für Arzneimittel und Medizinprodukte has nothing to do with genetically engineered food, Her research area is in medicine.

Gen Food, a post about. 

[ToJKa]

Why would you trust natural food over genetically modified one? Mother nature, that scary toothless hag (that we have almost murdered dead, thankfully), is always trying to kill us in horrible, horrible ways.

You can trust genetically modified food because it killing people would cost the corporations who developed it many huge loads of money ?

[Ernest Lemmingway]

2 minutes ago, ToJKa said:

Why would you trust natural food over genetically modified one? Mother nature, that scary toothless hag (that we have almost murdered dead, thankfully), is always trying to kill us in horrible, horrible ways.

You can trust genetically modified food because it killing people would cost the corporations who developed it many huge loads of money ?

Yes. Trust our corporate masters. They only have our best interests in mind. ?‍♂️

[ToJKa]

33 minutes ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

Yes. Trust our corporate masters. They only have our best interests in mind. ?‍♂️

 

They have their profit's best interest in mind. So you can trust them to not do anything to harm that. Or to murder all witneses, whichever is cheaper.

[winny257]

46 minutes ago, ToJKa said:

You can trust genetically modified food because it killing people would cost the corporations who developed it many huge loads of money ?

times assumed you are mother \ father and your child becomes diseased with Gen Food (gastrointestinal bleed) and the doctors say her child will die.
what does it cost the corporations then, 1 million or 2 million US dollars?
laughable at a multi-billion dollar company, but bring it thy child back, I do not think!
would this happen to me, I would kill all responsible. 

[DoctaSax]

Looks like EU copyright law is so trippy, it gave people the munchies.

[winny257]

12 minutes ago, DoctaSax said:

Looks like EU copyright law is so trippy, it gave people the munchies.

yes, the EU brings Article 13 to America and America brings Gen Foot in the EU.
balancing righteousness. 

[SexDwarf2250]

1 hour ago, ToJKa said:

 

They have their profit's best interest in mind. So you can trust them to not do anything to harm that. Or to murder all witneses, whichever is cheaper.

Sounds great if you're a profit. I am, unfortunately, a human being.

 

That being said, resisting GMO is like resisting most forms of science: you're obstructing a better future, possibly even one the human race will need in order to survive one day. And anyway, everything is genetically modified. Look at your dog. Look at the mirror. Nature's design isn't happening by a more intelligent method than that of humans. It just weeds out the garbage live, over a much longer period of time, before it gets results.

[Jansen2]

3 hours ago, winny257 said:

du sagst Stiftung Warentest kümmert Genmanipulierte Nahrung nicht.
jetzt nicht schlucken. 

 

https://www.test.de/Gentechnik-in-Lebensmitteln-Kaum-noch-drin-1034036-1034233/

https://www.test.de/Gentechnik-So-viel-ist-schon-in-unserem-Essen-4668882-0/

https://www.test.de/Gentechnik-in-Soja-Lebensmitteln-So-viel-steckt-drin-4127284-4127289/

https://www.test.de/essen-trinken/lebensmittel/tests/

 

ich habe diese Amerikanische Organisation nur aufgeführt, weil was dort geschrieben wurde, für mich vernünftig klingt.
ich bin kein Amerikaner und kann mich nur an Fakten im Internet halten.
aber deutschland Stiftung Warentest, habe ich persönliche Beziehungen. 

I didn't say anything of the sort

Further, your "facts" are incredibly dubious.

 

1 hour ago, winny257 said:

times assumed you are mother \ father and your child becomes diseased with Gen Food (gastrointestinal bleed) and the doctors say her child will die.
what does it cost the corporations then, 1 million or 2 million US dollars?
laughable at a multi-billion dollar company, but bring it thy child back, I do not think!
would this happen to me, I would kill all responsible. 

There isn't a single case of that ever happening. You're spreading misinformation.

[winny257]

46 minutes ago, Jansen2 said:

There isn't a single case of that ever happening. You're spreading misinformation.

I think you can not read, I wrote "times assumed"!
did you read the reports of Stiftung Warentest?
here too, I do not think so!
believe what you want and continue to eat Gen Food, I do not care, I do not do it. 
Oh, here for you.

https://www.bfr.bund.de/cm/343/gentransfer_aus_futterpflanzen_auf_hoehere_tiere.pdf

[ToJKa]

In case the obvious joke was not obvious, the obvious joke was an obvious joke.

 

But seriously, i don't see much difference in the GMO scare and anti-vaxxers. We, as a species, should really stop this trend of treating science as an enemy.

[winny257]

4 hours ago, SexDwarf2250 said:

Sounds great if you're a profit. I am, unfortunately, a human being.

 

That being said, resisting GMO is like resisting most forms of science: you're obstructing a better future, possibly even one the human race will need in order to survive one day. And anyway, everything is genetically modified. Look at your dog. Look at the mirror. Nature's design isn't happening by a more intelligent method than that of humans. It just weeds out the garbage live, over a much longer period of time, before it gets results.

Do you know what would be better than Gen Food?
state birth control! 
it is irrefutably proven that in the year 2050 over 9.5 billion people will live on this earth.
and you think with Gen Food, all these people are nourished!
We live in the 21st century but every year millions of people in Africa die of malnutrition.
I hope your stomach is strong for it! 

Spoiler

 

[winny257]

39 minutes ago, ToJKa said:

In case the obvious joke was not obvious, the obvious joke was an obvious joke.

 

But seriously, i don't see much difference in the GMO scare and anti-vaxxers. We, as a species, should really stop this trend of treating science as an enemy.

Science is only about one "Money"! 

 

This applies to Germany.
Statistics on the pharmaceutical industry in Germany
The pharmaceutical industry produces a wide range of medicines and pharmaceutical products in the field of human and veterinary medicine. The volume of the German pharmaceutical market in 2016 amounted to around 39.5 billion euros. 

 

https://de.statista.com/themen/1415/pharmaindustrie-in-deutschland/

[Jazzman]

2 hours ago, SexDwarf2250 said:

Sounds great if you're a profit. I am, unfortunately, a human being.

 

That being said, resisting GMO is like resisting most forms of science: you're obstructing a better future, possibly even one the human race will need in order to survive one day. And anyway, everything is genetically modified. Look at your dog. Look at the mirror. Nature's design isn't happening by a more intelligent method than that of humans. It just weeds out the garbage live, over a much longer period of time, before it gets results.

As the daughter of a grass-fed beef producer in Argentina I must say that you pretty much sound like the Monsanto shill I came across in the immediate vicinity of a Cristina Kirchner in her last months in presidential office...

[Grey Cloud]

On ‎3‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 4:28 PM, DogOnPorch said:

Fucking fascists need a fresh beating it would seem. I thought we stamped this type of shit out in 1945.

 

 

Mussolini was a fascist as was Petain. Hitler was a National Socialist. Similar but nonetheless different. The other name for fascism is corporatism.

 

No matter who you vote for, the government always get in.

 

Not voting is as much a part of the democratic process as voting. You can only vote for the candidates put up by the parties plus an independent or two if you are lucky. If enough people refrain from voting then it says to the would be rulers that they have nothing to offer and whoever gets in has no mandate from the demos.

[Grey Cloud]

4 hours ago, ToJKa said:

Why would you trust natural food over genetically modified one? Mother nature, that scary toothless hag (that we have almost murdered dead, thankfully), is always trying to kill us in horrible, horrible ways.

You can trust genetically modified food because it killing people would cost the corporations who developed it many huge loads of money ?

What a stupid comment.

[winny257]

7 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Mussolini was a fascist as was Petain. Hitler was a National Socialist. Similar but nonetheless different. The other name for fascism is corporatism.

 

also Japan was fascist. 

[winny257]

22 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

What a stupid comment.

I did not want to answer his Post, Mother nature is so evil! 
but missing only a part the natural chain, then life ends on earth. 
 

[Grey Cloud]

13 minutes ago, winny257 said:

also Japan was fascist

Correct.

 

[Grey Cloud]

57 minutes ago, Jazzman said:

As the daughter of a grass-fed beef producer in Argentina I must say that you pretty much sound like the Monsanto shill I came across in the immediate vicinity of a Cristina Kirchner in her last months in presidential office...

Something we can agree on.

[winny257]

1 hour ago, Jazzman said:

As the daughter of a grass-fed beef producer in Argentina I must say that you pretty much sound like the Monsanto shill I came across in the immediate vicinity of a Cristina Kirchner in her last months in presidential office...

I will my meat only still buy from you.