Spank That Ass

[Corsayr]

20 minutes ago, midniteblaze said:

but ive used the balm, alot of them and waited and i still have the debuff -4 on everything

Its efficacy is also set in the MCM 

 

Can you get us a screening of your MCM settings?

[Lupine00]

Speaking of masochism mechanics...

 

For reasons I don't really understand, my character constantly swings between masochism and hating spanking.

 

It's like I lose masochism too quickly.

 

But, caveat here, I'm running an old StA. I'm stuck in a game and can't update.

Well... I might be prepared to try save cleaning, but I have very little faith in that process.

I don't think it's worth it to get some bug fixes and spank others hotkey, or am I wrong?

 

 

Still, I'd like to be able to set the gain and lose rates separately, so I could make the gain rate slow, and the lose rate even slower, to create a gradual, and hard to avoid descent into masochism.

 

In my game now, if I speed up the rate, so I can gain more masochism, it seems to result in speeding up the losses too. So changing the rate doesn't do much except make it more or less unstable.

 

 

Or could there be a time I could set, so that I won't lose masochism unless I avoid spanks for at least that long?

 

 

I'm using Sex Slaves, with dominant Andrew, and the amount of sex scenes is on a par (or more) than Slaverun. A lot of sex. Even so, I don't seem to be staying masochistic reliably.

 

 

Could we get a feature to tag an NPC as a spanker?

Ironically, dominant Andrew spanks a lot, using the seated spanking animation, but StA doesn't recognize it as spanking.

 

 

Are any of the things I want already in the latest version?

[Monoman1]

15 hours ago, midniteblaze said:

but ive used the balm, alot of them and waited and i still have the debuff -4 on everything

Change the buff to one in the mcm and get spanked again to update it. Health is a floating point number and skyrim will round health down on the hud so it'll still show as -1. 

I'll add an option to disable the debuff entirely in the next version.

Must start a dev blog to keep track of things. 

8 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

But, caveat here, I'm running an old StA. I'm stuck in a game and can't update.

You've managed to hang on to that game for a long time now. I must have started 3/4 new games by now. Considering it was the 15th of july. 

8 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

For reasons I don't really understand, my character constantly swings between masochism and hating spanking.

 

That's funny because I can't seem to get masochism to come down. Maybe its because of: 

- Fixed a bug in calculating masochism. 

But more likely it's something to do with your settings. 

8 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Could we get a feature to tag an NPC as a spanker?

Perhaps it'd be better just to watch for animation spanking tags and start automatically?

 

[Monoman1]

On 9/23/2019 at 3:26 AM, heehatatt said:

I'm being spanked/groped when In vampire lord form. Don't know whether the same would happen if I were a werewolf but I assume that it does. Is it possible to disable spanks while transformed?

 

edit: when the menu for choosing armor skimpyness/sluttiness from milk addict came up I set it to be the least skimpy (have the mcm toggle "armor spankable from x" in this mods mcm turned on.)

Yup. You can also get spanked on a horse.

To be fixed. 

[Lupine00]

49 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Perhaps it'd be better just to watch for animation spanking tags and start automatically?

No, I mean I want Andrew to spank me in StA in most scenes, regardless of whether it's an actual spanking animation.

So it would modify the chance of StA randomly starting spanking significantly upwards.

 

But if it were an actual spanking animation, I'd like the spanking to be a certainty, and count as more spanks or something.

 

 

It's immersive for some NPCs to be more spank prone than others.

It would be nice to be able to set a faction or something on them via the MCM to make them more or less spanky...

Factions already in SLAX  

[Monoman1]

16 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

No, I mean I want Andrew to spank me in StA in most scenes, regardless of whether it's an actual spanking animation.

So it would modify the chance of StA randomly starting spanking significantly upwards.

 

But if it were an actual spanking animation, I'd like the spanking to be a certainty, and count as more spanks or something.

Ah I see. I suppose I could add a spanky faction.

[Lupine00]

Hopefully, you can look forward to Willpower mattering in DF again. So willpower loss from spanks will be a meaningful thing.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

Hopefully, you can look forward to Willpower mattering in DF again. So willpower loss from spanks will be a meaningful thing.

Uhh, sounds like you have insider information. Spill it! *grabs Lupine and shines a spotlight on her interrogation style*

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Uhh, sounds like you have insider information. Spill it! *grabs Lupine and shines a spotlight on her interrogation style*

As you may know, Lozeak has put his DF work on indefinite hiatus.

He's ok for people to take it forward however they like.

 

I have some history with DF, and supported it a bit during previous Lozeak absences.

Already put out some fixes for the latest version.

So I don't see any problem in adding in an alternate Willpower mechanism more like the old one, but - hopefully - with a smoother descent-into and escape-from capitulation.

I will probably fix up a few other little niggles too.

 

I really like DF, and did a lot of work on it in the past, so I know most of the bugs and issues that need attention.

Of course, if others want to jump in and make more DF, then maybe I won't need to bother ... but I'm not banking on that.

 

 

Maybe there's also a way to do a spanking deal that links into StA?

But from a design perspective, how would the deal be different from not having it?

Spanking already happens a lot. So what would change?

Spoiler

 

Maybe an explicit deal could use something like that throne spanking that Sex Slaves use (as that's a great animation).

The DF doesn't usually force sex, except in certain events (like piercing deal etc), so the DF could be set "non-spanky" unless the deal is in force, and only then does a DF spank.

 

Level 1 spanking - spanked before bed (hit willpower but you get a chance to recover some)

Level 2 spanking - spanked before bed, and on waking up (hits willpower right away)

Level 3 spanking - spanked any time the follower feels inclined.

 

PC has to beg for the spanks in 1 and 2.

PC can mitigate willpower loss by using salves.

 

Also add spanking games to enslavement.

 

If you do something with faction to turn spankiness on and off but allow a mod to explicitly trigger the pure-spank scene by event regardless, I figure the rest is something I could do.

Might need to add an event to slave use too.

 

Just one approach though. Thoughts?

[Monoman1]

21 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

As you may know, Lozeak has put his DF work on indefinite hiatus.

He's ok for people to take it forward however they like.

 

I have some history with DF, and supported it a bit during previous Lozeak absences.

Already put out some fixes for the latest version.

So I don't see any problem in adding in an alternate Willpower mechanism more like the old one, but - hopefully - with a smoother descent-into and escape-from capitulation.

I will probably fix up a few other little niggles too.

 

I really like DF, and did a lot of work on it in the past, so I know most of the bugs and issues that need attention.

Of course, if others want to jump in and make more DF, then maybe I won't need to bother ... but I'm not banking on that.

 

 

Maybe there's also a way to do a spanking deal that links into StA?

But from a design perspective, how would the deal be different from not having it?

Spanking already happens a lot. So what would change?

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Maybe an explicit deal could use something like that throne spanking that Sex Slaves use (as that's a great animation).

The DF doesn't usually force sex, except in certain events (like piercing deal etc), so the DF could be set "non-spanky" unless the deal is in force, and only then does a DF spank.

 

Level 1 spanking - spanked before bed (hit willpower but you get a chance to recover some)

Level 2 spanking - spanked before bed, and on waking up (hits willpower right away)

Level 3 spanking - spanked any time the follower feels inclined.

 

PC has to beg for the spanks in 1 and 2.

PC can mitigate willpower loss by using salves.

 

Also add spanking games to enslavement.

 

If you do something with faction to turn spankiness on and off but allow a mod to explicitly trigger the pure-spank scene by event regardless, I figure the rest is something I could do.

Might need to add an event to slave use too.

 

Just one approach though. Thoughts?

Good that DF won't go neglected. 

What would you need for this to work?

1. A way to basically turn off STA except for SpankFaction Npcs?

2. ?

 

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

What would you need for this to work?

1. A way to basically turn off STA except for SpankFaction Npcs?

2. ?

1.

I was thinking you might add two factions that StA checks ... something like ...

STA_NoSpank

STA_Spanky

 

So setting NoSpank stops the NPC ever spanking, and setting Spanky makes them an eager spanker (not always, but a lot more often), like I want Andrew to do.

 

 

2.

A mod event that can be raised by any other mod, and will make STA treat the following sex scene stages that start with the PC in as being pure spanking from a sounds/voice/applied spanks point-of-view. Scenes without the PC would be safe to ignore.

 

A mod event that can be raised by any other mod, and will stop STA treating the following sex scene stages that start with the PC in as being pure spanking, and would cause any following stages in that scene (but not future scenes) to be non-spanking.

 

It would be the business of the mod that raises the event to play appropriate animation.

 

 

So the flow would be:

 

Mod fires mod event.

STA awaiting sex scene/stage start event

Stage starts, PC is in it, STA gets busy.

Mod fires stop spanking event (immediately after stage start event) - STA knows to stop spanking at stage end

Stage ends, STA stops spanking and blocks spanks until either spanks explicitly enabled by mod-event, or scene ends.

 

And the mod event would override the normal spank flags. So can just set the follower NoSpank, and they only spank due to the deal, and then, only when playing the special spank animation.

 

 

Don't rush to do it, I need to fix other stuff in DF before I add this.

Also want to do the new SLAX scanner.

[lanastara]

With MME installed my character complains about being full even though I'm not a milkmaid yet.

 

Is that supposed to happen?

[Monoman1]

20 minutes ago, lanastara said:

With MME installed my character complains about being full even though I'm not a milkmaid yet.

 

Is that supposed to happen?

Obviously not but it's not something I've noticed. 

 

Are there other Npcs in your game that are milk maids? That might explain it. 

[lanastara]

It literally starts on a new game in the alternative start cell so I don't think there are any.

 

Ok so I looked into your code.

 

Event OnMME_MilkCycleComplete(string eventName, string strArg, float numArg, Form sender)
	Float CurrentMilk = StorageUtil.GetFloatValue(PlayerRef, "MME.MilkMaid.MilkCount", -1.0)
	Float MaxMilk = StorageUtil.GetFloatValue(PlayerRef, "MME.MilkMaid.MilkMaximum", -1.0)
	If ((CurrentMilk / MaxMilk) * 100.0) > 80.0
		IsPlayerBreastsFull = true
	Else
		IsPlayerBreastsFull = false
	EndIf

 

could it be that both variables are uninitialized therefore -1/-1 => 100%

[stobor]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Are there other Npcs in your game that are milk maids? That might explain it. 

I've seen that comment too, with no milkmaids in the game (though obviously MME is installed).

 

Another mod interaction that'd be nice if it's practical: there are whipping scenes in Pet Project, and it'd be nice if there was a way for that to feed into STA's pain stat for consistency's sake.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, lanastara said:

It literally starts on a new game in the alternative start cell so I don't think there are any.

 

Ok so I looked into your code.

 

Event OnMME_MilkCycleComplete(string eventName, string strArg, float numArg, Form sender)
	Float CurrentMilk = StorageUtil.GetFloatValue(PlayerRef, "MME.MilkMaid.MilkCount", -1.0)
	Float MaxMilk = StorageUtil.GetFloatValue(PlayerRef, "MME.MilkMaid.MilkMaximum", -1.0)
	If ((CurrentMilk / MaxMilk) * 100.0) > 80.0
		IsPlayerBreastsFull = true
	Else
		IsPlayerBreastsFull = false
	EndIf

 

could it be that both variables are uninitialized therefore -1/-1 => 100%

Yep that's probably it. Here try this:

_STA_SexDialogUtil.pex

18 minutes ago, stobor said:

I've seen that comment too, with no milkmaids in the game (though obviously MME is installed).

 

Another mod interaction that'd be nice if it's practical: there are whipping scenes in Pet Project, and it'd be nice if there was a way for that to feed into STA's pain stat for consistency's sake.

Don't use that mod myself. 

[lanastara]

I didn't get any messages since installing that file. Seems that fixed it.

 

Thanks

[Lupine00]

Yes, I'm still running an old StA but...

 

 

The spoken sex dialogue is one of the best bits of StA, even if it is a bit choppy.

But I've been using Sex Slaves "dominant Andrew" recently, and it shows up some niggling problems with consensual sex...

 

 

Every single sex scene ends with "Please get me home"

+ The repetition becomes grating, especially when it's not appropriate. The character will say this even when she is at home.

 

Most sex scenes end with "I can't believe that just happened"

+ And every time, I think "Oh yes I can, because this happens about five times a day on a quiet day."

 

The character will often say things that imply she is being raped, but the victim flag is not being set, it's just a rapey animation.

+ She's not being raped, so she should be saying stuff more like the demeaning remarks you get from the hot-key, not complaining.

+ Spank noise is very hard to hear. Maybe needs its own volume setting?

+ If being spanked, could we get some words (even if they are repetitive) that indicate the spanks are occurring with certainty.

e.g. "Ow. Stop that." or "Ohh. Feels so good." (I think those phrases are already in the mod).

 

 

In one random case, I got sex on top of BiS washing. The result was surprisingly good when the PC said...

"I need your cock" and then, "Feels so good", then, due to BiS said "Much better now" or something similar.

It flowed perfectly, making something like a whole sentence of mostly non-choppy dialog all in the same voice.

 

So, please consider stealing the BiS dialog picks to use in sex, as some of them fit perfectly.

 

 

And +1 to the requests for conventional whipping events, and actual spanking animations to count towards StA spanks.

Spoiler

Presumably SLS could track the beating on-hit events to detect old-school whipping like SD+, PetProject and Devious Furniture World use?

I believe that SLD counts weapons with damage greater than 0 as beatings, maybe allows damage up to 2 or 4 or something, as some mods actually use such. My memory is hazy though. Months since I did that.

 

Detecting the spank animation requires knowing the name ... or you could use some specific tag and make us edit the animation tags.

 

 

If I update my StA, will it fix any of these things?

[Reesewow]

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

If I update my StA, will it fix any of these things?

On the current version *without* SLSO installed, I don't think I've had any issues at all with victim dialogues triggering during consensual scenes or vice-versa.  I know the "Please get me home" dialogue specifically is a post-rape exclamation.

 

However, I know SLSO causes the mod to get much more in-depths with things, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was tied to your PC's enjoyment of the sex or other factors if you are running that.  Which may mean the victim flag is only a portion of what chooses the dialogue.

 

Spanks are about the right volume for me, but that might be a personal preference thing - volume control would definitely be e nice option tho.

[Monoman1]

9 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

If I update my StA, will it fix any of these things?

Well, depends on what version you're currently running. 

 

There are still some bugs in the current version. Mostly a weird, out of place, spank during creature sex that seems to be triggered by a dialogue event. 

 

9 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Spank noise is very hard to hear. Maybe needs its own volume setting?

It does have it's own volume setting - 'Slap volume'. I usually have to turn it down. 

'Slap moan volume' is the pain 'Ow' she gives immediately after a spank. Not the spoken dialogue volume. 

 

Would agree with most of what you've said. What's needed is more dialogue really. Certain dialogue events have very few dialogue options. 

[Skata20]

I know it isn't the best place to ask, but can you please recommend some rape mod I can use to test this mod? I don't use devious devices.

Just some good old "NPC rapes the PC on demand" mod

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Well, depends on what version you're currently running. 

I'm on 2.1, as upgrading to 3.X is not something I'd undertake lightly.

[Corsayr]

28 minutes ago, Skata20 said:

I know it isn't the best place to ask, but can you please recommend some rape mod I can use to test this mod? I don't use devious devices.

Just some good old "NPC rapes the PC on demand" mod

 

Sexlab Adventure the proximity rape feature can be set so basically you get chained raped all the time and can be hot key turn on or off

 

[Guest]

Could you possibly add a toggle to disable the NPCs demanding that the PC say nasty stuff about themselves? I prefer the scenes progressing automatically and don't want to have to press a button every few seconds

[Monoman1]

32 minutes ago, mushroomcap said:

Could you possibly add a toggle to disable the NPCs demanding that the PC say nasty stuff about themselves? I prefer the scenes progressing automatically and don't want to have to press a button every few seconds

Saying nasty things about yourself is a part of the 'fucking back' mechanic (increasing their enjoyment in SLSO) so you could increase the time allowance 'Fuck Back Reward' to at least minimize the need to denigrate yourself.