Devious Devices - Laura's Bondage Shop (16-aug-2025) v3.55 LE & SE

[Laura]

12 minutes ago, ComicTheSinner said:

Currently have an issue where, upon talking to Laura or Katarina, I have the generic dialogue options for my other "devious" mods. Usually, they have their normal dialogue along with those. I'm not sure what changed - it literally worked on my last save (which I had to delete... some jazz with accidentally breaking the game by giving myself some story-related keys, haha). Anyone else have the same issue?

They all have blocking dialogue which means regular dialogue or other mod dialogue should never show up. Since it worked before, what was changed before it stopped working?

[RequiemNoi]

30 minutes ago, Laura said:

They all have blocking dialogue which means regular dialogue or other mod dialogue should never show up. Since it worked before, what was changed before it stopped working?

I had added SL Defeat and NotSoFast - but NotSoFast isn't working, anyways.

[Taki17]

1 hour ago, ComicTheSinner said:

Currently have an issue where, upon talking to Laura or Katarina, I have the generic dialogue options for my other "devious" mods.

I'd recommend taking a look at your load order again, and checking if the problem persists on starting a new game. Even so if you are using any sort of alternate start mods.

[tznvlw]

@Laura

 

From your posts, it seems that you have basically solved the problem of the DDLBS mod in SSE?

[Laura]

8 minutes ago, tznvlw said:

@Laura

 

From your posts, it seems that you have basically solved the problem of the DDLBS mod in SSE?

Not sure yet, but we may have found it. It probably has to do with how actors are teleported.

[aurreth]

10 minutes ago, tznvlw said:

@Laura

 

From your posts, it seems that you have basically solved the problem of the DDLBS mod in SSE?

 

What problem?

 

[aurreth]

12 hours ago, knots1353 said:

Me too.  Entertaining questline, even if it did kind of kill my favorite theory from going through these quests many moons ago before this quest was added:

 

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I was more or less convinced that the "perfect girl" was actually the PC, and the rumors had all come from that brief stint pretending to be a slave to get the ledger...    OTOH, maybe that's still true and this is all a misdirection...

 

 

Except you overhear Holden talking to Daubney (or maybe the other way around) say "If we could use punishment as a reward 27 would be the perfect girl".  So seems like the idea was already floating around before.

[aurreth]

2 hours ago, Laura said:

I don't know of any package timers. The only procedure in the travel package is just traveling. And there are no flags or options for a timer. I just use the vanilla travel package. There's also a quest where a guy walks from city to city and that works fine. But maybe I'm missing something.

 

The vanilla packages might not contain timers.  But there are occasions in just about any program where it is necessary to tell everything to stop and wait a minute for things to catch up, just like you insert Utility.Wait statements in your scripts to make sure something like an Enable command has time to take effect.  See @Tetras66 earlier post:

 

16 hours ago, Tetras66 said:

 

My experience so far is that unless a package is active, then an NPC will always return to their starting position, unless they have something to do in a scene (force greets will also hold them in position, since they're an AI package). If there's unexpected lag, this can cause NPCs to leave an area before a scene progresses. In my scenes, I tell them to stay put while another actor is doing something. There's probably a better way to do it, I never checked how the vanilla scenes deal with that.

 

Fixing the MoveTo problem seems to have mostly fixed the quest, but Guard does still glitch a little when escorting the player from the basement to the bedroom.  Taking a look at his movement routine when you get a chance might be a good idea.  I mean throwing down a quicksave before that scene, and reloading if he has issues with the stairs, would probably take care of the problem, but it can't hurt to see if there isn't a way to prevent him from trying to return to the basement if the scene timing is off due to lag or bad Skyrim pathfinding code.

 

[Tetras66]

44 minutes ago, aurreth said:

 

The vanilla packages might not contain timers.  But there are occasions in just about any program where it is necessary to tell everything to stop and wait a minute for things to catch up, just like you insert Utility.Wait statements in your scripts to make sure something like an Enable command has time to take effect.  See @Tetras66 earlier post:

 

 

Fixing the MoveTo problem seems to have mostly fixed the quest, but Guard does still glitch a little when escorting the player from the basement to the bedroom.  Taking a look at his movement routine when you get a chance might be a good idea.  I mean throwing down a quicksave before that scene, and reloading if he has issues with the stairs, would probably take care of the problem, but it can't hurt to see if there isn't a way to prevent him from trying to return to the basement if the scene timing is off due to lag or bad Skyrim pathfinding code.

 

 

It shouldn't theoretically be a problem (to have no timing checks in a scene), since a scene just proceeds from action to action, sequentially.

 

The only time that time is an issue, is if the scene didn't prevent an actor from defaulting after they completed their action, but then assumed they'd be in a predictable place, because of only anticipating an x-length delay. This can sometimes break scenes, for example: if an actor needs to be somewhere specific to do something, like to activate an object, that they're now unanticipatedly too far away from.

 

I had a problem where I moved an actor to a new location, along with the player, but sometimes (about 1 in 5), before they could start a scene with the location's owner, I loaded into the location too slowly and they had already started walking home ? The scene was irretrievably stuck at that point and the players controls still locked. Oops.

 

I think Skyrim has some kind of fallback if an actor doesn't path quickly enough because they usually just warp to their location, but very occasionally (always ladders or stairs), they get stuck.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Tetras66

[aihara111]

help, i had issue when come to fort hraggstad to save sirrina, when opening the container trap it's always cause CTD after the trap magic applied already checking bodyslide and everything is working normal

[aurreth]

40 minutes ago, aihara111 said:

help, i had issue when come to fort hraggstad to save sirrina, when opening the container trap it's always cause CTD after the trap magic applied already checking bodyslide and everything is working normal

 

Has nothing to do with Bodyslide.  What other mods do you have that affect the fort, or make changes to chests?

[aihara111]

1 hour ago, aurreth said:

 

Has nothing to do with Bodyslide.  What other mods do you have that affect the fort, or make changes to chests?

Are something like jk skyrim affecting it ?

[aurreth]

1 hour ago, aihara111 said:

Are something like jk skyrim affecting it ?

 

I have no idea what that is. 

 

Look, there are so many acronyms for various mods, and sometimes the same acronym for multiple different mods, that it is practically impossible for someone to answer that question.  Please spell out the entire name of the mod, and if at all possible provide a link to it.  "JK" doesn't tell me anything, and I have no way of going and looking at it to give you any kind of informed answer.

 

[SilentAntagonist121]

40 minutes ago, aurreth said:

 

I have no idea what that is. 

 

Look, there are so many acronyms for various mods, and sometimes the same acronym for multiple different mods, that it is practically impossible for someone to answer that question.  Please spell out the entire name of the mod, and if at all possible provide a link to it.  "JK" doesn't tell me anything, and I have no way of going and looking at it to give you any kind of informed answer.

 

JK isn't an acronym. The mod is literally called 'JK's Skyrim'. It's a city beautification mod.

[aurreth]

2 minutes ago, SilentAntagonist121 said:

JK isn't an acronym. The mod is literally called 'JK's Skyrim'. It's a city beautification mod.

 

Thank you.  Sorry, I just keep seeing questions like "Does AFLCIO cause conflicts?" and then I have to figure out what they are referring to.  That's why the link helps.

 

The mod page specifies that it does not modify any interior cells, so that wouldn't conflict or crash here.  Something like Cursed Loot might, if it attempting to apply a trap to the same chest that the mod uses for this quest.  Or some other mod that places traps on chests.  What follows the trap is some exposition, the player getting stripped, some more NPC chatter, and then the player getting put in a yoke and set free.  So the CTD immediately following triggering the trap is either the chest setting off something unrelated to the quest, such as Cursed Loot, or something conflicting with the paralysis.  

 

Unfortunately it appears that Steam has just decided to reset my "don't update my shit you fucks" to "always update", so now I have to run the downgrader again before I can take a look at the actual scripts.

[aurreth]

4 hours ago, aihara111 said:

help, i had issue when come to fort hraggstad to save sirrina, when opening the container trap it's always cause CTD after the trap magic applied already checking bodyslide and everything is working normal

 

Ok, now that I've undone Steam's damage (again)... do you get the onscreen message about it being a trap?  "It was a trap. A spell went off and you can't move anymore!"

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by aurreth

[aihara111]

2 hours ago, aurreth said:

 

Ok, now that I've undone Steam's damage (again)... do you get the onscreen message about it being a trap?  "It was a trap. A spell went off and you can't move anymore!"

 

Yes i got it, as soon as the message disappear when the spell effect start to appear on body the ctd is happened, but when I let the message not dissapear it's not going crash

[aurreth]

33 minutes ago, aihara111 said:

Yes i got it, as soon as the message disappear when the spell effect start to appear on body the ctd is happened, but when I let the message not dissapear it's not going crash

 

When you dismiss the message the chest is disabled (should disappear) and the NPC Hontaf is enabled (should appear).  Nothing much special about him, he's a stock Nord in blacksmith clothes carrying an iron sword.

 

Ok, let's start with the obvious just to rule it out.  What mods do you have that affect male Nords?

 

[aihara111]

36 minutes ago, aurreth said:

 

When you dismiss the message the chest is disabled (should disappear) and the NPC Hontaf is enabled (should appear).  Nothing much special about him, he's a stock Nord in blacksmith clothes carrying an iron sword.

 

Ok, let's start with the obvious just to rule it out.  What mods do you have that affect male Nords?

 

I am not install mods that change men's appearance, also on the DD i'm not enable DD for him

[aurreth]

24 minutes ago, aihara111 said:

I am not install mods that change men's appearance, also on the DD i'm not enable DD for him

 

Hrmph.  Let's see your mod list, see if anything stands out.

[aihara111]

27 minutes ago, aurreth said:

 

Hrmph.  Let's see your mod list, see if anything stands out.

skyrimSE mod list.txthere my mod list

[MadWhitWolf]

How to get through the Flare Shaft???? Fucking riddles!!!!

[aihara111]

7 hours ago, aurreth said:

 

Hrmph.  Let's see your mod list, see if anything stands out.

I'll also send the record below

[MadWhitWolf]

On 1/4/2022 at 6:14 PM, Laura said:

The delivery timer is a tricky one. I can't make a different timer for every possible customer so I have one for every hold. So it can be extra difficult when the customer is at the furthest point of that hold. Sorry, can't do much about that without making the rest too easy.

 

 

 

 

I haven't heard of it happening in LE yet. This sounds a bit like pathing is borked in your game. Not sure if it's related to the issue people have with SE.

Do you have mods that randomly take control is npcs?

Does this happen everytime?

If so, does this also happen with a new game?

Laura went wild. She's not in the store, but she knows where the hell. Does not "want" to talk about the quest "Original". how to fix it? and in general, the mod is bugged very often!

[aurreth]

6 hours ago, MadWhitWolf said:

Laura went wild. She's not in the store, but she knows where the hell. Does not "want" to talk about the quest "Original". how to fix it? and in general, the mod is bugged very often!

 

LE or SE?  If SE, which version?