Devious Devices SE

[LorenRallings]

Hey guys, I was hoping anyone could help me with my issue.

 

I have all the sexlab requirements for DD, but when i try to install DD into Vortex, it pops up red saying Sexlab, Aroused redux, ect, is not active or something, which they all are....they have all been installed before DD but it just wont let me install it, same goes for Animal SOS actually lol. It wont even let me install the mod without the dependencies active? Which...they are? So I just cant install the bastards lol xD

[zarantha]

5 hours ago, Marajade said:

Oh, thanks! Which keywords should I look at? Can I see them in the inventory screen?

 

You'd need to look at the keywords using the CK or xedit.

[zarantha]

4 hours ago, LorenRallings said:

Hey guys, I was hoping anyone could help me with my issue.

 

I have all the sexlab requirements for DD, but when i try to install DD into Vortex, it pops up red saying Sexlab, Aroused redux, ect, is not active or something, which they all are....they have all been installed before DD but it just wont let me install it, same goes for Animal SOS actually lol. It wont even let me install the mod without the dependencies active? Which...they are? So I just cant install the bastards lol xD

 

Ok, you installed sexlab aroused. Did you deploy immediately after?

After you have deployed, you need to go to the plugins section and make sure the plugin is enabled.

 

The installer detection of other mods depends on the plugins being active, not just that the mod was installed.

[Sis_User]

12 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

It's been mentioned on the LE side. Try switching views from first to third, you should start moving, but really slowly. iirc, once you're moving you can switch back as long as you keep moving.

 

You can also try increasing your carry weight to mitigate the issue. The hobble dress adds 1000 to the carry weight.

 

 

 

That is very odd since I never had this issue in LE with the exact same combo of mods /_ \
So this is just an expected known issue and only has workarounds and no fixes?

[zarantha]

26 minutes ago, Sis_User said:

That is very odd since I never had this issue in LE with the exact same combo of mods /_ \
So this is just an expected known issue and only has workarounds and no fixes?

 

No fixes yet. The references I was looking at were from earlier this year, so that part at least may be fixed in the next version. No kimy comment on it that I saw, but she doesn't always comment even if she notes it down.

 

This is what I was looking at:
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/157168-devious-devices-le-51-2021-01-19/page/29/?tab=comments#comment-3350043

 

There is a script fix further down the same page that you could try, but I don't see a whole lot of downloads for it. It is very much a use at your own risk. It is meant to be used with tgm, so that's not really ideal either.

 

I found your support thread when searching this issue, and saw that it works normally without IFPV?

Was there an update to IFPV recently? I would have expected it to come up as an issue sooner, like JoP did, if there was an incompatibility.

Edited September 3, 2021 by zarantha

[IBAGadget]

Just got this installed today, have all the necessary pre-requisites, built all the devices in Bodyslide. Followed the install procedure

 

Installed mod

Ran everything through bodyslide

ran FNIS

started game.

saved game

Exited to desktop

re-launched

loaded save

MCM registered new menu

 

try to move - character stuck in Hobble dress animation, unless I enter sneak mode or draw a weapon, then I move normally.

 

Removed all worn gear.

no change

Fast travelled

No change

 

Is there an invisible hobble dress that is automatically equipped when you start that doesn't show up in your inventory?

[IBAGadget]

offloaded my entire inventory into a container, then pulled up my inventory in console. Could the bottom two items (which are also showing some kind of bad id) be invisible hobbles?

 

Was able to force drop the one with the id 17000B01, but that didn't change the animation. It also re-equipped when I exited the console to see if it worked.

[zarantha]

53 minutes ago, IBAGadget said:

Is there an invisible hobble dress that is automatically equipped when you start that doesn't show up in your inventory?

 

No, nothing equipped automatically.

 

Depends, what mods are at priority 0c and 17 in your load order? Some of the bad editor ids are actually ok.

 

What mods do you have that alter walking animations? If you have fnis sexy move, try toggling 360 player move off and back on.

If you use a fnis and nemesis combo, nemesis can still cause problems with the idles and walking animations.

 

Try adding in an extreme hobble dress and equip it (a regular hobble dress doesn't have the animation) then remove it again. If you toggle manipulate locks you'll be able to take it off again without a key.

[Sis_User]

2 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

No fixes yet. The references I was looking at were from earlier this year, so that part at least may be fixed in the next version. No kimy comment on it that I saw, but she doesn't always comment even if she notes it down.

 

This is what I was looking at:
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/157168-devious-devices-le-51-2021-01-19/page/29/?tab=comments#comment-3350043

 

There is a script fix further down the same page that you could try, but I don't see a whole lot of downloads for it. It is very much a use at your own risk. It is meant to be used with tgm, so that's not really ideal either.

 

I found your support thread when searching this issue, and saw that it works normally without IFPV?

Was there an update to IFPV recently? I would have expected it to come up as an issue sooner, like JoP did, if there was an incompatibility.

I checked the mod page and  it says last updated 10 August 2021, so maybe it is a newly introduced issue /_ \

[IBAGadget]

1 hour ago, zarantha said:

 

No, nothing equipped automatically.

 

Depends, what mods are at priority 0c and 17 in your load order? Some of the bad editor ids are actually ok.

 

What mods do you have that alter walking animations? If you have fnis sexy move, try toggling 360 player move off and back on.

If you use a fnis and nemesis combo, nemesis can still cause problems with the idles and walking animations.

 

Try adding in an extreme hobble dress and equip it (a regular hobble dress doesn't have the animation) then remove it again. If you toggle manipulate locks you'll be able to take it off again without a key.

Yah, it was sexy move. toggled it off and back on and that did the trick. Found that in the skyrim technical help section by pure luck.

 

Everything running properly now. just need to bump up the DD chance in Naked Defeat and see what results

[Elsidia]

21 hours ago, Sis_User said:

Anyone else has the problem where having both hobble dress and a ballet heel on completely stops you from moving?

I have this problem without any specific mods and views in third person. I don't know what produce this big: Skyrim or latest DCL 9.0, but i find a solution: save a game, exit to main menu, load a game and PC starts moving. I don't remeber clear, maybe for work you need completely exit from Skyrim to desktop. Then start again a game and load a save. It helps me. Don't see this problem in  DD 4.3, DCL 8.5 but there was other problem what after unequipped those restraint not return moving speed to default skyrim and after time you move so slow when equip those items, speed is too slow or zero.

[Elsidia]

0C040f0f - device hider. Don't remove it never or your device hidder can work improperly.

 

17000B01 - is from mod with hex load order 17 - i don't found this item into DD, DCL or Laura bondage shop. Check what mod are with hex load order 17 and this is from this mod. looks like a rendered device, but rendered devices are show on player.

Also it can be tail, horn or any accessory if you use mods of that type.

 

 

[cryptic_scuff]

Just double checking whether it's me fucking something up or design.

I've noticed that nipple clamps don't have physics added ( they just float in the air while breasts have physics as intended).
Is this me being stupid and breaking something during install, or do nipple clamps/piercings have no physics added?

[Elsidia]

24 minutes ago, cryptic_scuff said:

ipple clamps/piercings have no physics added?

Those items doesn't have physics added.

Here is an opportunity to create physics by using HDT SMP mod and hope that it will not break as HDT chains.

 

[cryptic_scuff]

19 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

Those items doesn't have physics added.

Here is an opportunity to create physics by using HDT SMP mod and hope that it will not break as HDT chains.

 

What do you mean "break as HDT chains"?
Either way, i've edited the outfit files for nipple clamps/piercings (afais there is only three of items of this type in DD) to use physics and everything works fine for now. 

If i get permission to throw them up here i'm willing to do it ( can also share the file with author parties for an official upload under their name, i don't care about credits).
If not I can throw up an instruction on how to do it, it takes less than 5 minutes to do all three and all you need is bodyslide/outfitstudio.

[Elsidia]

Just now, cryptic_scuff said:

break as HDT chains"

Check how look Prisoner chains from DCL with HDT SMP and  check how those chains look into LE version.

HDT SMP have limited functionality to connect chains between two bones and result looks bad.

[cryptic_scuff]

8 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

Check how look Prisoner chains from DCL with HDT SMP and  check how those chains look into LE version.

HDT SMP have limited functionality to connect chains between two bones and result looks bad.

 
Ah, i see what you mean. Thought you were talking about chains overall. 

[zarantha]

10 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Check how look Prisoner chains from DCL with HDT SMP and  check how those chains look into LE version.

HDT SMP have limited functionality to connect chains between two bones and result looks bad.

 

Prisoner chains is a bad comparison here. What the nipple piercings would be closer to are the HDT SMP tail plugs, and those work fine. As long as there is only a single point of connectivity, it's ok. It's when you start connecting the chains on two sides or more that you run into problems. Prisoner chains has connectivity from the neck to the center, from R and L wrists to the center, and from R and L ankles to the center.

 

12 hours ago, cryptic_scuff said:

I've noticed that nipple clamps don't have physics added ( they just float in the air while breasts have physics as intended).

 

The nipple piercings should be weighted to bounce the same as the breasts by default, but not have it's own physics to bounce independently or react to gravity. If that's all you meant, make sure you built the bodyslides for your body. If you're using 3bbb, you need the 3bbb bodyslide files not contained in the DD installer. They are linked on the the troubleshooting post.

 

If you meant them to have SMP physics so the dangly bits move and react on their own, you can try this mod.

 

[cryptic_scuff]

1 hour ago, zarantha said:

 

Prisoner chains is a bad comparison here. What the nipple piercings would be closer to are the HDT SMP tail plugs, and those work fine. As long as there is only a single point of connectivity, it's ok. It's when you start connecting the chains on two sides or more that you run into problems. Prisoner chains has connectivity from the neck to the center, from R and L wrists to the center, and from R and L ankles to the center.

 

 

The nipple piercings should be weighted to bounce the same as the breasts by default, but not have it's own physics to bounce independently or react to gravity. If that's all you meant, make sure you built the bodyslides for your body. If you're using 3bbb, you need the 3bbb bodyslide files not contained in the DD installer. They are linked on the the troubleshooting post.

 

If you meant them to have SMP physics so the dangly bits move and react on their own, you can try this mod.

 

I was talking about 3BBB to be specific. It wasn't too hard to load up a reference and copy the bone weights though so it's all good now, glad to see they are available tho 
And yeah, i agree totally, nipple piercings are not in the same line as prisoner chains, but it's indeed a fact that prisoner chains are fucked. 
Collar and plug chains work just fine.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, cryptic_scuff said:

it's indeed a fact that prisoner chains are fucked. 

 

They are indeed. But at least they are no longer a guaranteed CTD.

[cryptic_scuff]

1 hour ago, zarantha said:

 

They are indeed. But at least they are no longer a guaranteed CTD.

Don't worry about that, i still like to fuck up my load order a bit manually, just to get that OG Skyrim modding experience with CTD every now and then

[Elsidia]

4 hours ago, zarantha said:

The nipple piercings should be weighted to bounce the same as the breasts

As for me as player it would be better if nipple clamps ring bounce as breasts but chain and jewelry bounce the same as breasts and own bounce as in life when you run.  Chain will one piece with jewelry and swing from one side to other with movement.

Like in this video at 10 sec from start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80QY3IOlIdI&ab_channel=MBCkpop

 

Edited September 4, 2021 by Elsidia

[zarantha]

16 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

As for me as player it would be better if nipple clamps ring bounce as breasts but chain and jewelry bounce the same as breasts and own bounce as in life when you run.  Chain will one piece with jewelry and swing from one side to other with movement.

Like in this video at 10 sec from start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80QY3IOlIdI&ab_channel=MBCkpop

 

 

Yeah, that should be the smp mod i linked. Or at least it was planned, not sure now if it was implemented.

[ChibakoShiba]

The rope stuffs isnt showing up when i equiped it, how do u fix it? stuff like rope harness and such

 

[Elsidia]

2 hours ago, ChibakoShiba said:

The rope stuffs isnt showing up when i equiped it, how do u fix it? stuff like rope harness and such

You build those ropes in bodybuild from right folder and with right preset?

Equip, unequip interaction menu shows up? (if not you have damage scripts)